I WAS RIGHT! I told you all.

[Hannah]

Monday evening, the UN’s top Climate Scientist, Rajendra Pachuari, will speak in London at a meeting organized by Compassion in World Farming (CIWF), urging people to fight global warming by taking meat off their menu. Dr. Pachuari has recently been re-appointed to his second, six-year term as chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The IPCC collects and evaluates climate data for governments around the world, and was the recipient of the Nobel Prize in 2007, along with Al Gore. Dr. Pachuari told the BBC: “I want to highlight the fact that among options for mitigating climate change, changing diets is something one should consider.”


UN data says that meat production accounts for about 18% of worldwide greenhouse gas emissions, topping even transportation, which accounts for 13% of worldwide emissions. The UN included all aspects of meat production, when arriving at the 18% figure: clearing land, creation and transportation of fertilizers, burning fuels in farm vehicles, and the emissions coming directly from cows and sheep.

There are three main greenhouse gases involved in meat production: methane, nitrous oxide and carbon dioxide. People have begun to think about ways of farming meat that produce less emissions. One possibility to is genetically engineer cattle that produce less methane. The biggest source of carbon dioxide emissions from meat production, however, is land clearance, which will likely continue as long as the demand for meat continues to rise.
CIWF’s ambassador Joyce D’Silva told the BBC: “Surveys show people are anxious about their personal carbon footprints and cutting back on car journeys and so on; but they may not realize that changing what’s on their plate could have an even bigger effect.”

http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/09/08/uns-top-climate-scientist-urges-people-to-combat-climate-change-by-eating-less-meat/


also I was kidding about the title... please don't beat me up on the internet.

[Peanut]

Get over it already.

I'm cool with people making life choices, but you don't need to try and tell people what to do. And I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but it's just something that really annoys me.

[Hannah]

Oh, before everyone starts yelling at me, please don't, I just wanted to post this because I thought it was interesting. I really don't want to be yelled at anymoremoremore

[jeff the cheff]

But part of the meat production is still transportation, which is included in the emissions for meat. So I guess when you think about it, it isn't surprising at all.

But I will not change my eating habits because of this.

[Mecha Cow]

Screw you, Dr. Pachuari, you're not my father! *eats a pig*

[Spitfire]

This news isn't new The UN is just stupid for not doing anything. We don't need to stop meat production completely we just need to lessen the amount of cattle being produced. Chicken or Turkey is a good substitute. If you really want a burger get buffalo meat it's grown free range and it's pretty close to how beef taste. It's not too expensive either I know my Safeway sells it.

Funny this was site cited as one of my sources a few months ago when I did a speech about it for a speaking class. So was Earthsave.com.

[Raph's Girl]

Osterich is a great beef substitute. It tastes exactly like beef and is super nummy.

But there's no way to stop this. Cows burp/fart Methane. So do sheep and any other 4 stomach animals. Can't be helped when it's nature that's doing the polluting.

[Spitfire]

Osterich is a great beef substitute. It tastes exactly like beef and is super nummy.
Word to that. I haven't had in in awhile though they don't sell it as commonly in the part of Cali where I live.


But there's no way to stop this. Cows burp/fart Methane. So do sheep and any other 4 stomach animals. Can't be helped when it's nature that's doing the polluting.

Well actually there is. The reason there's so many cows is we are producing them to eat. If we didn't make cows for meat consumption there wouldn't be so many and then the amount of pollution would be cut down quite a bit. We are doing things to the Earth it was not built to handle in a sense. Also clearing out acres of rain forest, which produces oxygen, to make room for mo cattle is like throwing newspaper at an already raging fire.

And global warming is just one form of pollution the cows have. The hormones they pump them full of gets washed into the ocean either by us or by the cow crap when it rains and poisons the sea life. Fish is practically uneatable anymore.

[Drtooth]

This news isn't new The UN is just stupid for not doing anything. We don't need to stop meat production completely we just need to lessen the amount of cattle being produced. Chicken or Turkey is a good substitute. If you really want a burger get buffalo meat it's grown free range and it's pretty close to how beef taste. It's not too expensive either I know my Safeway sells it.

And they wouldn't completely ruin the environment with that stuff, how? Big Business doesn't care. It doesn't. That's not news. Even if everyone on Earth were to become a vegetarian, what makes people think that they just wouldn't pump hormones into that stuff too?

[raphael_is_cool]

I'll admit I haven't given this much thought, or attention, and don't really care to but...

Is this not false economy anyway? The emissions from meat production are high because there is a lot of it...

Hypothetically, if meat were to be stopped being produced then the production of something else would have to go up to replace it, therefore emissions would theoretically stay the same.

[That Matt Guy]

no f-ing chance that i'm going to stop eating beef.

i still think emissions from cars and industry are a bigger problem than a bunch of cow farts.

[Buslady]

Global Warming is a myth created by politicians to gain kudos from voters.

[Spitfire]

And they wouldn't completely ruin the environment with that stuff, how? Big Business doesn't care. It doesn't. That's not news. Even if everyone on Earth were to become a vegetarian, what makes people think that they just wouldn't pump hormones into that stuff too?

No that's another battle. Monsanto bought up all the seeds because some jack ass at the copyright company decided you can copyright an organism so they created their own seed that is resistant to their pesticide but it's horribly bad for you and only organic stuff doesn't have it.

But it's sad I grew up eating that stuff and organic stuff tastes funny to me. It taste like it has a chemical taste even though it's everything else that's covered in chemicals.

no f-ing chance that i'm going to stop eating beef.
Oh I agree, I'm cooking a tritip as I type this.

{quote]I still think emissions from cars and industry are a bigger problem than a bunch of cow farts.[/QUOTE]
Actually one cow produces more gas then two cars I believe it was. Yeah it's frightening and baffling to think about.

Global Warming is a myth created by politicians to gain kudos from voters.
Yes and eating cows is good because they eat grass which cuts down on brush fires in the summer. :roll:

That was something that was actually posted on this website when I did my research. http://www.beeffrompasturetoplate.org/default.aspx

I can see it's now since been removed. I don't know about you but I've noticed it's been getting hotter in the summer.

[Voltron]

no f-ing chance that i'm going to stop eating beef.

i still think emissions from cars and industry are a bigger problem than a bunch of cow farts.

The faster we eat em, the last chance they have to fart.

Also, I've stopped eating all vegetation entirely, since they clean the air.

While my diet replants the rain forest, Dr. Pussscardi is just trying to save his ass from the wrath of Kalki. *cough*agenda*cough*

[poiuytre]

I've heard this a few years ago, I think on a Penn & Teller episode. There's not a lot you can do to change than lessen the amount of our cattle.

[Cure]

The faster we eat em, the last chance they have to fart.

Agreed. Veal for everyone.

[愛]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/TheFatedBattle/mm2et.gif Just take one of these and you'll be okay.

[Hannah]

Global Warming is a myth created by politicians to gain kudos from voters.
Did you really just say that? I don't think you're capable of sarcasm, so excuse me while my head explodes.

[Machias Banshee]

...but what about the global cooling they're talking about now? We're going towards a new ice age!

[Jester]

Sorry, to be a tool Machi, but the prefered modern term is "Global Climate Change"...it catches both extremes.

[愛]

I'm no Geologist, but from what I can gather from a Physics point of view (I am that gay), the ice caps are melting at an alarmingly fast rate. When (I say when and not if) the ice caps fully melt away, the oceans will rise about 25 feet. This may seem like a small number, but there are plenty of locations that are just barely above sea level. This puts those towns and other establishments at high risk.

Now, the argument that we are entering another ice age at some point in the future is the speculation that wind currents will change course once the ice caps are melted away. These winds will freeze water again, creating the ice caps once again...only this time they will be much larger and closer to home than you think.

Of course, this is only what I've heard, and I have nothing to really back it up, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. I'll turn off Raph's Girl mode now.

[Machias Banshee]

Well, at least youre a useful tool, Jester.. :P and yes, that's the proper term.

Saying JUST one thing is the biggest factor in such a HUGE, billion year old process just doesnt seem logical at all...

Now, while the north pole has been shrinking, they say the south pole is larger than it's EVER been. And where the frozen ice and the melted water have the same density.... the levels would actually change little if anything... Like ice cubes in a glass. You have the same amount of water, no matter what state it's in..

[Jester]

I've heard that if the caps do melt, the levels wouldn't rise near that much, due to the change in density, think of it like like ice melting in a glass not causing the glass to overflow. *shrugs* I ain't a scientist.

EDIT: Curse you Machi...foiled again!

[The Stryker]

Global Warming is a myth created by politicians to gain kudos from voters.

Holy crap, did I walk into a retard convention?

[愛]

It's true that you have the same amount of water, but there are lots of ice caps that are not seated in water. They exist above the sea level on top of either land or snow. It is these ice caps and glaciers that will make the difference.

[Machias Banshee]

Ah, good point. I hadn't taken the landbased waters into consideration.

But the fact that the Antarctic is growing at an enormous rate must be some sort of temperature compensation for what's happening at the other section of the globe. Weather patterns do this all the time...

[Jester]

I'm still wondering which of these is the culprit:

1. The ozone hole allowing unfiltered UV rays to shine on earth, thus making the temperature feel warmer, or...

2. The green house gases keeping the filtered UV rays that have come through from escaping, thus they bounce around, making the earth feel hotter.

[CudleyCowlick]

GET ME A WHOPPER! :lol:;)

[Machias Banshee]

Man, I haven't had a whopper in YEARS.....


If anyone EVER gets the chance... Elk burgers are good. Nice and lean...


((And many thanks to Ai for the debate. That was fun... ;) ))

[KROW]

http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/09/08/uns-top-climate-scientist-urges-people-to-combat-climate-change-by-eating-less-meat/

Hmm. And considering they all point the same way (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=24966) means there could be an increase in these statistics in specific regions. Kind of a downwind spiral.

[Drtooth]

The faster we eat em, the last chance they have to fart.



Stop feeding the damn things Beefarino!

[愛]

((And many thanks to Ai for the debate. That was fun... ;) ))

I'm always up for some good intellectual discussion. :)

[Mecha Cow]

I'm always up for some good intellectual discussion.
Alright then, who would win in a fight between Luke Skywalker and Captain America?

[GK Punk]

Alright then, who would win in a fight between Luke Skywalker and Captain America?

Rob Van Dam.

[Drtooth]

Suppose human farts do that too? If so, I'm pretty sure my Dad's responsible for 70% of that...

[愛]

Alright then, who would win in a fight between Luke Skywalker and Captain America?

I'll have to write some equations, do some calculations and make a final conclusion before getting back to you on that one.

[GK Punk]

That's a lot of effort to go through just to determine RVD would blind side them both.

[Mecha Cow]

Rob Van Dam is a cheater and I'm pretty sure Jean-Claude Van Damme could beat him. That extra 'me' goes a long way.

[Cure]

Rob Van Dam is a cheater and I'm pretty sure Jean-Claude Van Damme could beat him. That extra 'me' goes a long way.

I don't think I've ever seen GK angry, maybe just annoyed. This post should do it.

[Mecha Cow]

No need to be angry, even the best of us would fall against Van Damme. I heard he beat Chuck Norris at dominoes once.

That being said, if I happen to suddenly disappear in the near future, at least you'll know why.

[Jester]

Van Damme, Chuck Norris, or GK? I guess I won't know....:P

[The Stryker]

I think you're all seriously underestimating the sheer power of Rob Van Dam.

[dingodile555]

Rob Van Dam was a legend but drugs will get you nowhere little Robert son. (although I'm probably about 30 years younger than him)

Chuck Norris is a better legend, did you see the Roundhouse he hit Mr Fuji with during Undertaker vs Yokozuna casket match? (the one without like 30 run-ins)

[Buslady]

Global Warming is a myth.
We have about 100 years or so of weather data.

Okay how old is earth?

Tell me the climate patterns of those billions of years.

Earth is a living breathing rock, it's never static, it is always changing. It warms up, it cools down, it warms up,etc...

What they say, "Nature has a way."

[愛]

I think a lot of people have the idea of "global warming" wrong. It's not necessarily going to bring about the end of the earth. It is simply going to cause a lot of problems for the humans currently living on the earth. The earth isn't going anywhere. We are.

The thing is that we're kind of in too deep when it comes to the global warming, so all we can do is prolong the inevitable. That's the reason they are promoting alternate fuels and things like that. Eventually, the fateful day will come, and hopefully we'll be ready for it. If not, well, I guess we'll just have to adapt to the new environment...or perish. I just hope I'm dead before I see the worst of it.

[Cure]

Global Warming is a myth.
We have about 100 years or so of weather data.

Okay how old is earth?

Tell me the climate patterns of those billions of years.

Earth is a living breathing rock, it's never static, it is always changing. It warms up, it cools down, it warms up,etc...

What they say, "Nature has a way."

You remind me of this lady.

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[Machias Banshee]

oh boy.... that woman's just uneducated. The whole global warming thing is contestable on both sides. That woman.... jeez. That's basic 3rd grade science.

[Brodie]

Global Warming is a myth.
We have about 100 years or so of weather data.

What they say, "Nature has a way."

So, you love Michael Crichton? He also said if you believe in global warming, you should believe aliens are responsible.

Global warming exists, and Raphael isn't real, and wouldn't want to romance you.

[Jester]

In response to that woman, when light passes through a prism, in this case, water droplets, it is broken down into its basic light components. We can see the whole spectrum, as opposed to just white light. We see red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet.

As for thinking Global Warming is bunk, there are well researched scientist ON BOTH SIDES!!! Just because Buslady (and I) disagree with the consensus (a word which always seems to be used about Global Climate Change) of our fellow posters, that does not make us idiotic knuckle draggers. My being from Arkansas does that...j/k

[ThirdMarioBro]

I came to the decision that I won't stop eating meat until I discover that the anti-aging/tissue regeneration technology is actually coming. At that point, I'll stop eating meat to keep the cholesterol out of my arteries.

Of course, since the crazies in this nation won't even let us have stem cell research, I might as well not count of that either. They gotta' make sure we all get our "eternal reward" and such. :roll:

[GK Punk]

So, you love Michael Crichton? He also said if you believe in global warming, you should believe aliens are responsible.

Global warming exists, and Raphael isn't real, and wouldn't want to romance you.

And there's nothing to be afraid of.

Except Super Aids.

[Machias Banshee]

Or that super huge atom smasher that's supposed to create blackholes and destroy the earth...

*adds a lil more chaos to the mix*

[KROW]

RVD, Van Damme, and Chuck Norris will not fight, but climb the Jesus statue in Rio De Janeiro, perform windmill kicks, and save us all.


With that said:

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[Jester]

Nothing....the video is of...nothing. :(

[KROW]

Nothing....the video is of...nothing. :(

Hmm... YouTube's embed feature must be on the fritz.

[Leogeddon]

lol, now I know hippies are behind this! I must have my meat, kthanx.

Edit:
Here's an article for you:
http://www.dailytech.com/A+Melting+Arctic+Happy+News+for+Mankind/article12882.htm

Alarm over sea ice loss is misplaced.


Recent short-term gains in Arctic ice coverage indicate nothing about the eventual state of the Arctic. Answers to the long-term status of the region lie in the realm of a scientific branch known as paleoclimatology. What does it tell us?

The Earth is currently in the geologic epoch known as the Holocene. This began nearly 12,000 years ago when the last ice age (more precisely, the Weichsal glacial) ended. Temperatures warmed, glaciers began to retreat, and the Arctic began to melt. This began what is called an interglacial: a warmer period between glaciation.

We tend to think of the poles as immutable, but geologically speaking, permanent polar ice is a rare phenomenon, comprising less than 10% of history. Icecaps form briefly between interglacials, only to melt as the next one begins -- this time around will be no different.

So we know the Arctic will eventually be open water. The only question is how it will affect us.

The language the media uses to describe Arctic melting is usually emotionally loaded. Filled with terms such as "concern", "desperate", even "dying" and "doomed", one would think a living organism was being described. Experts are always quoted as "warning" us, rather than simply speaking -- classic propaganda techniques.

Even the scientists themselves have an emotional stake in the argument. After all, when you've spent your entire career studying Arctic ice, the possibility of it vanishing is understandably horrifying. But what about the rest of us? Will Arctic melting be good or bad?

Let's look at the scorecard.

No change in sea level.
Arctic ice, which floats rather than being anchored on bedrock, doesn't influence sea levels at all. Antarctica and Greenland do, but with one on a long-term cooling trend, and the other melting at the infinitesimal pace of 0.25% per century, there doesn't seem to be any call for alarm. Sea level has been rising for thousands of years; the increase over the next century is expected to be less than 1/3 meter.

"Unimaginable" amounts of new resources.
What's at stake is nothing less than millions of square miles of territory, with some of the richest resources known. 90 billion barrels of oil and 1,700 trillion cubic feet of natural gas lie in the region. An ice-free Arctic also means access to other mineral resources, and access to rich new fishing grounds. Analysts have hesitated to put a figure on the total worth.

But that's not all. Just the ability to safely navigate the region is itself valuable.

The Northwest and Northeast Passages
First navigated in 1905, the famed Northwest Passage allows ships to cross between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. Currently this requires a trip through the Panama Canal, a lengthy, expensive voyage that is barred to the largest "post-Panamax" class of ships. The permanent opening of the Northwest Passage will shave thousands of miles off each crossing, saving millions of barrels of diesel fuel annually, boosting trade and cutting shipment costs for a wide variety of imported and exported goods.

Nearly as important, the Northeast Passage is vital for parts of Northern Europe and Russia. First navigated as far back as 1879, a permanent opening will not only reduce shipping costs between Russia and Northern Europe, it will be a boon for thousands of tiny coastal communities that are currently cut off from the outside world for most of each year.

Though the benefits are unmistakable, a certain segment of the population argues we shouldn't use them. They believe using the planet's resources is immoral, even obscene. But the fact remains that these resources are not just valuable; they're vital. The still-growing populations of China and India are now clamoring for access to the same standard of living the western world enjoys. Granting it to them will require new sources of food, energy, and raw materials.

Russia has already put its foot in the door, claiming some 460,000 square miles of new territory -- an area larger than France and Germany combined. With its fleet of nuclear-powered icebreakers already surveying, Russia is brushing aside objections over its cavalier acts.

Some have pointed out that Arctic territorial disputes may lead to conflict, even war. This is possible. But claiming that we shouldn't wish for new resources because we might fight over them is like wishing you won't win the lottery because you and your spouse might argue over how to spend the money. The unlocking of the Arctic's resources is a windfall, no matter how you look at it.

What about the Polar Bears?
Recent research indicates that the species is significantly older than first thought, about 120,000 years old. This means polar bears have survived at least one interglacial before, and therefore doesn't depend on permanent polar ice.

Bears are not the only wildlife in the region. But floating sea ice is not a primary habitat for any species. Many live underneath it, but these are going to benefit dramatically from warmer weather. Higher temperatures equate to more phytoplankton and zooplankton, the base of the pelagic food chain. Measured by total biomass (the sum weight of all living creatures) the northern hemisphere is already seeing increases. That trend should continue.

While it's not impossible that a few ill-adapted species may go extinct, there is no hard evidence to say it will happen. It's also no cause for alarm. Climate change regularly results in a certain degree of extinction; indeed is an essential factor in the freeing of ecological niches so that new species may arise.

Feedback Effects
Sea ice reflects more sunlight than open water. This leads to a positive-feedback effect where decreasing ice leads to further temperature increases. Sounds scary, right? It's not. The reason is a much stronger negative feedback mechanism from basic thermodynamics. The Stefan-Boltzmann law tells us that radiated energy depends on the fourth power of temperature. Put simply, even a tiny increase in temperature results in more heat loss. This explains why past periods in the Earth's history never led to runaway warming.

Also, the Arctic just doesn't get a lot of sunlight to start with. That's why it’s so cold there, after all. What sun it gets is extremely oblique filtered through much more atmosphere due to the high latitude. While Arctic albedo changes do have an effect, it's very small, possibly even immeasurable on a global scale.

One fact remains without doubt. The warming of the Arctic will not result in our own extinction, or be anything at all but a tremendous boon to mankind and our civilization. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Then Al Gore's at it again with his manbearpig:
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE48N7AA20080924?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nobel Peace Prize winner and environmental crusader Al Gore urged young people on Wednesday to engage in civil disobedience to stop the construction of coal plants without the ability to store carbon.

The former U.S. vice president, whose climate change documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" won an Academy Award, told a philanthropic meeting in New York City that "the world has lost ground to the climate crisis."

"If you're a young person looking at the future of this planet and looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon capture and sequestration," Gore told the Clinton Global Initiative gathering to loud applause.

"I believe for a carbon company to spend money convincing the stock-buying public that the risk from the global climate crisis is not that great represents a form of stock fraud because they are misrepresenting a material fact," he said. "I hope these state attorney generals around the country will take some action on that."

The government says about 28 coal plants are under construction in the United States. Another 20 projects have permits or are near the start of construction.

Scientists say carbon gases from burning fossil fuel for power and transport are a key factor in global warming.

Carbon capture and storage could give coal power an extended lease on life by keeping power plants' greenhouse gas emissions out of the atmosphere and easing climate change.

But no commercial-scale project exists anywhere to demonstrate the technology, partly because it is expected to increase up-front capital costs by an additional 50 percent.

So-called geo-sequestration of carbon sees carbon dioxide liquefied and pumped into underground rock layers for long term storage.

(Additional reporting by Timothy Gardner; Editing by Christine Kearney and Xavier Briand)
He wants us to stop polluting with our cars and lightbulbs and now coal, and yet here he is spreading the word through his friggin JET!

[Hannah]

Just because he's hypocritical doesn't mean he's wrong.

[Cure]

Sacrifices need to be made sometimes. You can't expect this man to walk all over the f*cking country. This ain't pioneer times.

[Jester]

So were supposed to conserve while Al Gore jets around telling us we need to use less energy? Why can't he buzz the country in a hybrid car or something. To me it seems like "do as I say, not as I do" and that's not right.

[Leogeddon]

Just because he's hypocritical doesn't mean he's wrong.
Global warmers are costing us our stable energy supply and that will hurt us all. It would take more than 50,000,000 windmills and the entire state of TEXAS to place solar panels just to power half the country. I don't know about you, but I'd like to leave Texas alone instead cause problems for all of their families, the beef ranches, and other resources they provide.

Cooling and heating up "slightly" they say...
Parts of our Nation all the way down to North Carolina were once covered by Glaciers as was many parts of the Midwest. How do you call that "slight cooling when 70% of our Nation and Canada was covered in Glaciers as was over 30% of the ENTIRE world and people are gonna sit there and say "slight cooling"!

Glaciers helped from the Loess Hills in Iowa. Some parts of the Midwest were called the "Driftless region" because no glacier activity occurred, which was surprising

They're either woefully uneducated or just plain lying, but I don't consider massive glaciers covering all of Canada and extending from New York to North Carolina as "slight cooling".

The FACT is earth has SEVERE climate swings.

One more thing that ice was over 1000 feet thick in some places.

It is estimated that average summer temperatures had to be 20 degrees Fahrenheit to form such massive glaciers.

That's a 50 degree swing from average summer temperature today in northern parts of our country.

Yeah "slight cooling" and "slight heating".
How hot did it have to get to melt all that ice???
It had to get very HOT to melt the ice. Average winter temperatures had to go from 20 degrees to over 50 degrees.

That's a 30 degree change. That's DRAMATIC!

So tell me what caused the Global warming that made our Glaciers melt?

What changed the average winter temperature from 20 to 50 degrees??

What restarted the global oceanic "conveyor" i.e the Gulf Stream? What was the physiological phenomenon?

Did you know earth experienced an increase of 22 degrees Fahrenheit in just 50 years 40 degree daily highs shifting to 62 degree highs in a half century.

That's what happened toward the end of Earth's last Ice Age, atmospheric researchers have found.

Analyzing dust in Greenland ice cores scientists found that about 14,700 years ago temperatures suddenly shot up and the climate changed drastically in just 50 years.

It stayed warm for 1,800 years, then plunged back to icy conditions for another 1,200 years, before rapidly getting warmer again.

Drawing a comparison to what scientists know and don't know about global warming today, University of Colorado researcher Jim White said that until they understand the whys and wherefores of sudden upshots in temperatures, "We are speeding blindly down a narrow road, hoping there are no curves ahead."

Bottom line is they're WRONG, this has happened before and even worse.

So until they PROVE what caused these DRASTIC climatic shifts nobody can accuse man because we didn't burn fossil fuels then.

Sacrifices need to be made sometimes. You can't expect this man to walk all over the f*cking country. This ain't pioneer times.
LOL, so you're saying it's okay for him to say: "Don't drive, you'll kill the earth" then hop into his jet and cause even MORE problems that he is trying to fight? It's basically like spraying bug spray at a lighter to kill a fly so it can't harm your fruit just to burn the entire bowl of fruit to a cinder.

[Hannah]

Wow, you completely missed the point.

[Mecha Cow]

Just because someone goes against his own point doesn't automatically mean the point itself isn't valid. I'm not sure I fully agree with said point, but that's neither here nor there.

So basically... exactly what Hannah said.

[愛]

The point isn't automatically invalid, but it definitely is a detriment to your credentials. I wouldn't really listen to someone who says global warming is killing our planet (lulz), then goes flying around in a jet.

[Leogeddon]

Wow, you completely missed the point.

Here's something to consider, how does ice give life? It is frozen water, nothing about it gives life, it's not like if all ice melts on the planet then the penguins will die out. They are seen in Australia and several other southern countries and do just fine, they just need a cooler climate than other animals, how to get that? A place on Earth that the sun doesn't look at, it's not like in 10 years (as Al Gore says we are gonna suffer from our actions and the Earth kills us all) the Earth will rotate on its axis and suddenly it will no longer rotate and just wobble so EVERY POINT ON EARTH will face the sun with the same amount of time. No matter how the Earth will rotate, the sun can't see much of some place.

The sea level hasn't risen and we have seen plenty of glaciers melt away. If Georgia goes under sea level, then I may come back and apologize for this statement, lol

And besides, if Penguins need to leave the area, we still have PETA, lol.

[愛]

A little bit of me just died after reading the previous post...

[Jester]

Yeah, I disagree with the global warming hysteria, but even I raised an eye brow when I scanned that post.

[Leogeddon]

I'm saying about the water level growing so rapidly like they stated in The Day After Tomorrow. As I pasted an article on how it's better for man if the ice were to all melt leading to more exploration, more space for the ocean creatures to dwell in, etc.

[Hannah]

Yeah, I think I might give up on living now.

[Jester]

You mean it?


Ok, that was awful. I'm sorry.

[Drtooth]

Yeah, I disagree with the global warming hysteria, but even I raised an eye brow when I scanned that post.

Well, I'd rather people hysterically try to help the environment than a bunch of people lying back and saying, "nothing's gonna happen" and dump crap everywhere they step, and keep driving non-utilitarian huge cars. Global Warming or not, no one should be a freaking pig and leave a mess wherever they step... it's impolite and lazy. I think all sides can agree on that.

[Leogeddon]

Yeah, I think I might give up on living now.
Relax, Hannah Montana, there's nothing wrong with trying to help the planet, just don't go all over the place like he's telling you to.
You mean it?


Ok, that was awful. I'm sorry.
LOL, that was still funny... I'm sorry... :(

Well, I'd rather people hysterically try to help the environment than a bunch of people lying back and saying, "nothing's gonna happen" and dump crap everywhere they step, and keep driving non-utilitarian huge cars. Global Warming or not, no one should be a freaking pig and leave a mess wherever they step... it's impolite and lazy. I think all sides can agree on that.

Doesn't mean for you to just litter all over the place and nasty up your city and parks and whatnot, just because you want a clean planet doesn't mean you have to be a global warming supporter. Most states just bring their contents of recycled bins to the dump anyways.

It's good to clean the planet, true, but know your limits. Car pooling is an excellent way to save money.

[Drtooth]

Doesn't mean for you to just litter all over the place and nasty up your city and parks and whatnot, just because you want a clean planet doesn't mean you have to be a global warming supporter. Most states just bring their contents of recycled bins to the dump anyways.

It's good to clean the planet, true, but know your limits. Car pooling is an excellent way to save money.

My sentiments exactly. Environmentalism isn't just hippy dippy ultralefty stuff... it's basic common decency! I swear... the horrors I've seen on bridges and overpasses and stuff. Every time I find shrubbery, there's McDonalds wrappers and big bags of Doritos under them. It's disgusting! And as for oil... well, that stuff isn't gonna last forever anyway. And , as said, taking steps to conserve that stuff saves money.

Bottom line, if we caused global warming or not, we DID leave a big honking mess. And taking a few steps greatly reduces the chance you'll step in a big pile of animal feces....

[shuriken]

I completely agree. One of the reasons I ride my bike anywhere within a 9 mile radius. Although since the summer here has gotten steadily hotter and the winter steadily colder I do not rule out the global climate change.

[Leogeddon]

My sentiments exactly. Environmentalism isn't just hippy dippy ultralefty stuff... it's basic common decency! I swear... the horrors I've seen on bridges and overpasses and stuff. Every time I find shrubbery, there's McDonalds wrappers and big bags of Doritos under them. It's disgusting! And as for oil... well, that stuff isn't gonna last forever anyway. And , as said, taking steps to conserve that stuff saves money.

Bottom line, if we caused global warming or not, we DID leave a big honking mess. And taking a few steps greatly reduces the chance you'll step in a big pile of animal feces....
Common courtesy has been long lost in this country, Doc. Can't walk down the street and say good morning to someone without them thinking you're bothering them. Of all the times I've said good morning to someone, only 2 people (in a matter of a little over a month) has said good morning back and only one with a smile.

I completely agree. One of the reasons I ride my bike anywhere within a 9 mile radius. Although since the summer here has gotten steadily hotter and the winter steadily colder I do not rule out the global climate change.

Everywhere I've been, some summers have been cooler or hotter than others, it shuffles. Just like with Winters, especially in GA, it seems to be getting cooler each year.

[Jester]

Well, I'd rather people hysterically try to help the environment than a bunch of people lying back and saying, "nothing's gonna happen" and dump crap everywhere they step, and keep driving non-utilitarian huge cars. Global Warming or not, no one should be a freaking pig and leave a mess wherever they step... it's impolite and lazy. I think all sides can agree on that.
I totally agree. Just because I disagree with global warming doesn't mean I'm all about trashing the planet.