TMNT Will Change Yet Again Next Season

[VaughnMichael]

Next Fall 4Kids Entertainment brings you TMNT: The End
And Yes this is fact, my source is very credible (they want to remain anonymous though for now anyway).
I know some of you still will not believe them, and that's fine that's your choice.
We're just trying to inform you now, so you fans are in the know and not in the dark.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/VaughnJohnny/TMNTtheEND2.png (http://vaughnmichael.blogspot.com/2008/10/tmnt-end.html)
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[Ninjinister]

Next Fall 4Kids Entertainment brings you TMNT: The End
And Yes this is fact, my source is very credible.
I know some of you still will not believe them, and that's fine that's your choice.
We're just trying to inform you now, so you fans are in the know and not in the dark.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/VaughnJohnny/TMNTtheEND2.png (http://vaughnmichael.blogspot.com/2008/10/tmnt-end.html)
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Stage 1 of getting the show to stay on the air - Massive E-mail Writing Campaign - commenced. Stage 2 is under construction.

[VaughnMichael]

Stage 1 of getting the show to stay on the air - Massive E-mail Writing Campaign - commenced. Stage 2 is under construction.
Stage 3 Profit!!!
I thought stage 1 was Steal underpants thought :P
I'm glad you get why this is being told to the fans now S ;)

[Ninjinister]

Stage 3 Profit!!!
I thought stage 1 was Steal underpants thought :P
I'm glad you get why this is being told to the fans now S ;)

I don't think I get the reference.

And yes, I do get it. I hope I don't have to get to Stage 46, though. It might get messy.

[IamtheKnight]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Why must my favorite show end? Why God? Why must God punish us?! :(

[VaughnMichael]

I don't think I get the reference.

And yes, I do get it. I hope I don't have to get to Stage 46, though. It might get messy.
South Park...
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Why must my favorite show end? Why God? Why must God punish us?! :(
Well if by God you mean 4Kids Executives, Playmates Toys Executives, Gary Richardson, & Peter Laird then I couldn't tell ya.
Perhaps they're tired of loosing money on their tired ideas, but that's just my guess.
It's their own fault really when your to stubborn to see the the forest burning down in front of you.

[Aneras713]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Why must my favorite show end? Why God? Why must God punish us?! :(

Don't blame him, blame 4Kids, or........someone else.

[ToTheNines]

I saw it coming, but now that you've confirmed it it's pretty depressing. Oh well, it'll come back someday.

[ZariusTwo]

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I swear, I was half-expecting the Turtles to face THE ASTLEY SHREDDER.:lol:

But alas, no.

..Still, that was a really cruel pun nevertheless

At least there going out on their terms, with a major tying up of everything past, present, and something more.

Don't blame him, blame 4Kids, or........someone else.

My sources tell me to blame it on the rain and the boogie.

[Cipher]

VaughnMichael, I love the fact that you started this thread out with a cavalier joke, knowing how seriously some people will take this news.

It's a children's action cartoon that's run for seven seasons and will get a conclusive ending. That's unheard of. And it's not like we'll never see another Turtles show.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

This. Sucks. Horribly.

*cries*

[Ninjinister]

I swear, I was half-expecting the Turtles to face THE ASTLEY SHREDDER.:lol:


Fitting, since I'm never gonna give The Turtles up.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm not sleeping now that it's gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LH6lvrzAU)

(I swear, the guy can cut some kickass music)

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

I'm not sleeping now that's gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LH6lvrzAU)

(I swear, the guy can cut some kickass music)

Heh. It is a pretty good song. Wasn't expecting that...

[gobo]

I'm skeptical... but, I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. All things must come to an end sooner or later.
Well if by God you mean 4Kids Executives, Playmates Toys Executives, Gary Carlson, & Peter Laird then I couldn't tell ya.
Uhh... You mean Richardson, right?
I'm not sleeping now that's gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LH6lvrzAU)

(I swear, the guy can cut some kickass music)
Always with the Astley... Seriously, is he your brother or something?

[VaughnMichael]

I'm skeptical... but, I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. All things must come to an end sooner or later.
Uhh... You mean Richardson, right?
hah yes indeed thank you, The person just doesn't want to be known but wants the facts to be given to the fans, which I can totally understand.

[ZariusTwo]

Always with the Astley... Seriously, is he your brother or something?

He'll be your brother too if he wins MTV's "Best Act Ever" award.

[Drtooth]

Well, there goes saturday friggin' morning. Not even one more season. Boy, we're gonna have a lot of crap that's left unfinished.

Some friggin 25th anniversary this turned out to be. And I doubt the movie's gonna happen.

[TMNT4kids]

Next Fall 4Kids Entertainment brings you TMNT: The End
And Yes this is fact, my source is very credible (they want to remain anonymous though for now anyway).
I know some of you still will not believe them, and that's fine that's your choice.
We're just trying to inform you now, so you fans are in the know and not in the dark.

Maybe I'm just not high up enough on the totem poll - but this is news to me (and the shows production coordinator and producer...)

But who knows how things will pan out, eh?

We still have plenty of episodes to go this season - and of course that other thing. So there is still plenty to look forward to.

[VaughnMichael]

Maybe I'm just not high up enough on the totem poll - but this is news to me (and the shows production coordinator and producer...)

But who knows how things will pan out, eh?

We still have plenty of episodes to go this season - and of course that other thing. So there is still plenty to look forward to.
Just posting what I was told by a big wig, I'm sure you can understand though for me not sharing names as I wouldn't want anyone to lose a job.
Hey I hope they're wrong, it's not like I don't want more TMNT.

[Ninjinister]

Maybe I'm just not high up enough on the totem poll - but this is news to me (and the shows production coordinator and producer...)

But who knows how things will pan out, eh?

We still have plenty of episodes to go this season - and of course that other thing. So there is still plenty to look forward to.

Lord, I hope to high heaven that things pan out for the best.

[TMNT4kids]

Just posting what I was told by a big wig, I'm sure you can understand though for me not sharing names as I wouldn't want anyone to lose a job.

I'm not calling you out or anything - news is news :)

Hey I hope they're wrong, it's not like I don't want more TMNT.

Ditto.

Plenty of people have been on this production for years, and every time a season ends it's "Ok this is it... well... MAYBE 1 more." and here we are 7 seasons in.

Regardless of if the show ends I am absolutely sure the TMNT will continue on in one form or another (besides the comics).

[VaughnMichael]

I'm not calling you out or anything - news is news :)
Ditto.
Cool, perhaps like the S said fan reaction to this News will get the higher ups thinking and they will see how much people care.
I'd like at least one more season after this, but that's just me.

[Buslady]

honestly, i wont miss it. it hasn't been good since the tribunal, after that...feh!

I *do* hope they're wrong but ..whatever happens, happens.

TMNT's renaissance may just be coming to another end.

(but not with me!!!!)

[X]

If this show ends, like I said, I am done with 4Kids.

What else do they have that matters? Reruns of Sonic X? Sorry got all the DVD's. Chaotic? Just another TCG turned cartoon. Winx? Yea... Viva Pinata? My care for anything VP starts and ends with the games only.

This show has the legs to stick around for a very long time, and there are plenty of ideas thrown around here, I'm sure people wouldn't mind being borrowed.

HOWEVER! What if next season is called, "The End," and it simply refers to something that has to do with an end, but not the show itself?

I guess I am just hoping, but with the great balance season 8 has had so far, I would find it really crappy for it to end after 26 episodes (assuming season 9 is only 13.)

I really wanted this show to pass the old toon.

EDIT: Well it is a given TMNT4kids, that the show will go on, but sort of like Transformers does, it gets redundant. In every TF cartoon we're always reintroduced to another Optimus Prime and Megatron. Megatron always becomes Galvatron, and so on. The reason I don't want this show to end, is because if it ever comes back, we have to go through origins again, and the process repeats. Since you are on the staff, I hope you guys can keep saying, "well just 1 more," time and time again until there are no more stories to tell. If anything, bring on fresh writers.

-X-

[Drtooth]

I'm not calling you out or anything - news is news :)



Ditto.

Plenty of people have been on this production for years, and every time a season ends it's "Ok this is it... well... MAYBE 1 more." and here we are 7 seasons in.

Regardless of if the show ends I am absolutely sure the TMNT will continue on in one form or another (besides the comics).

Suspicion confirmed. It's something going down at Mirage. Otherwise, someone at 4K would be hip to it.

I'm sure you're higher ups will convince them otherwise, and we'll see something else eventually. I just hope that's the case.

That said, 7 seasons of 100+ episodes is totally unheard of. You're lucky to make it beyond 52 production cap episodes nowadays.

[VaughnMichael]

X,
TMNT : The End is a name I made up for my blog post, just so you know.

[ZariusTwo]

HOWEVER! What if next season is called, "The End," and it simply refers to something that has to do with an end, but not the show itself?
-X-

You DO realize Vaugh was being sarcastic with that title right? Yeesh...

And if MIRAGE are grinding the axe, that's ironic, but again, allows them to go out on their own terms

[Rooish]

Whatever. We've had an amazing run. And we have the DVD releases. This show has given us tons of great moments, and 1 billion percent better character development than the old toon. I'm just happy we got what we do have.

Don't worry, folks. They'll be back. And we do have the comics!

[Ninjinister]

While I'd be naive to think the 4Kids series would run forever (although I wish it could at least reach a heavyweight status of a few more seasons under its belt), I'd like to see it at least run through their anniversary. It seems ludicrous to promote the Hell out of the Turtles, only to cancel the TV series. It's doing all right in ratings (though it could be better), and heck, even Fast Forward is doing reasonably well.

[VaughnMichael]

Don't worry, folks. They'll be back. And we do have the comics!
Indeed we will, but don't forget Peter Laird said he's ending volume 4 and that Tales of the TMNt volume 2 is up in the air but will continue through 2009.

[Anarky]

You've also made the news... (http://independentcomicssite.net/index.php?/200810141063/News/rumour-tmnt-being-canceled-after-this-season.html)

[Archon_Turtle]

It's the Circle of Life
And it moves us all
Through despair and hope
Through faith and love
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the Circle
The Circle of Life

All Lion King references aside. The turtles will go away for like 5 years, and then have a relaunch. As is the way with all things. Entertainment companies don't need to dream up new concepts when they can just release the same thing a few years later to a new wave of kids.

[VaughnMichael]

You've also made the news... (http://independentcomicssite.net/index.php?/200810141063/News/rumour-tmnt-being-canceled-after-this-season.html)
Why thank you Sir.:D

[X]

Noted Vaugn.

Anyhow Rooish, the thing about cartoons is, it doesn't cost me 4 bucks a month to keep in touch with my favorite brand.

Another thing that is crazy about getting into comics, is that someone like me who has never read any of the Mirage/Image comics, and only Archie, I wouldn't know what is going on since the continuity has been there for years and years.

That is why I don't read comics, and want this show to continue in cartoon form, as those comics have for many years.

TMNT4Kids, if you guys have no control over what is happening, try and convince Mirage otherwise. This show has been on the best cartoons ever, and one that many could easily get into for the subject matter at times. If someone can look at this show in the spirit of shows like Lost, Heroes, and others, in terms of storytelling and continuity, you've done something right.

I am proud the show has lasted this long, but it could still be so much more. Here's hoping the next season really isn't the last.

EDIT: WAIT A MINUTE - WAIT A MINUTE!!! Vaugn you made it sound as though there would be at least one more season. This blog is saying THIS SEASON, is the last... Which is it?

-X-

[Drtooth]

And if MIRAGE are grinding the axe, that's ironic, but again, allows them to go out on their own terms

Can I just say I shouldn't have been surprised at all? The toy line looks like Kevorkian's on the call....

Oh well, there's always... uhhhh.... sleeping in I guess.

[Cure]

Well, this show sure had a good run, anyway. I'll be happy if they wrap everything up well and whatnot. I'd rather see it end then have it go on forever with crappy stories.

[Leonardo19]

This is sad news but I hope Mirage will end up doing something like this next:

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/gi-joe-resolute-images-comic-con-2008-hasbro-panel-sdcc-7512/

I think that the 25th Ann. of GI joe has been great. It didn't have a cartoon to support it but the new toy line is doing very well and continued on.

But for the TMNT 25th Ann. to have a great toyline Playmates would have to not be controlled by morons.

Just hopes.

[Eiko]

the Turtles will live on everything has to come to an end but i will always love the turtles Turtle Power for ever.:tcool::tcool::tgrin::tgrin:

[Drtooth]

Still... a cancelled comic book, a cancelled cartoon series, and a Doomed toy line is much better than what the Inspector Gadget fans got for his 25th... a single disk DVD with 3 lousy episodes on it that was pulled.

It's a shame. I liked the cover that toated "Over a half hour of FUN!!!!"

[Machias Banshee]

Well, damn... there goes my job.

I guess I'll have to find a new Comic shop for any hopes of new TMNT stuff. Reading the old comics are ok, but after a while......

I'd like to think that this Anniversary is going to go well despite the slow crashing and burning...

[Roseangelo]

Yeah, I knew this last week within a couple hours of my TMNT is Dead (http://ninja-pizza.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-tmnt-are-dying-and-why-i-dont-care.html) post on my blog.

So... when is everyone actually gonna believe me that TMNT is dead?

[gobo]

When you show us the body.

[Leonardo19]

The Neca TMNT toy line will die next. Neca hasn't really had any long lasting lines that I know of.

[Leonardo Mystic]

When you show us the body.


Ditto.

Show me something with hard facts and evidence, preferably from the main man himself, and not just whispers of "I know something from so and so that said this, but I can't really tell you who because the informant is supposed to be kept secret." That gives me no reason whatsoever to believe you.

In fact, it rings of those oh so retarded chain mails clogging the spam box of your e-mail "Pass this to all these people and you'll win one million dollars by week's end!" Please. I have enough sense to know that that's a load of bunk.

So there are no plans on the table yet for an eighth season of the cartoon. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world or TMNT. Just means they don't have a plan at the moment for it, but it's certainly not dead. The current volume of the comics is ending in a few issues? Well, a new volume may be started at some point later. We don't know. A lot of us seem to think we can read the minds of these people when we really have no proof of what is going to happen. Speculation does nothing but make people anxious, stress over it and cause widespread panic. Now exactly how does that help the situation?

You know, a lot can change over the course of time. Nothing is ever written in stone. And until I see something from the people in charge, I refuse to believe otherwise.

[CyberCubed]

Is it possible 4kids will change their minds if the 5th movie deal goes through?

[VaughnMichael]

The Neca TMNT toy line will die next. Neca hasn't really had any long lasting lines that I know of.
I fear you may be correct Leonardo as Mirage has been trying to get in contact with them for some time with no word back, and we've yet to see any sort of release date for the second set of figures.
It's not just Turtles though, I'm worried about NECA as a company in general.
Ditto.
Show me something with hard facts and evidence, preferably from the main man himself, and not just whispers of "I know something from so and so that said this, but I can't really tell you who because the informant is supposed to be kept secret." That gives me no reason whatsoever to believe you.
Like I said from the start you don't have to believe me, but wtf would I get out of spreading lies and total bs through the fandom.:roll:
I've always posted news thats been on the up and up, when my sources want to let themselves be known that is up to them, I'm not going to take food from anyones family because their boss is a total prick.
Is it possible 4kids will change their minds if the 5th movie deal goes through?
One could only guess...

[Mutated Turtle]

noooooooooooooooooooo!!! ive been a tmnt fan all of my life and now tmnt ends whyyyyy!!!!! :cry::cry::cry::-?:(

[gobo]

Is it possible 4kids will change their minds if the 5th movie deal goes through?
Playmates is the one causing the problem at the moment.

[ZariusTwo]

noooooooooooooooooooo!!! ive been a tmnt fan all of my life and now tmnt ends whyyyyy!!!!! :cry::cry::cry::-?:(

It's called money.

[Rooish]

Ditto.

Show me something with hard facts and evidence, preferably from the main man himself, and not just whispers of "I know something from so and so that said this, but I can't really tell you who because the informant is supposed to be kept secret." That gives me no reason whatsoever to believe you.

In fact, it rings of those oh so retarded chain mails clogging the spam box of your e-mail "Pass this to all these people and you'll win one million dollars by week's end!" Please. I have enough sense to know that that's a load of bunk.

So there are no plans on the table yet for an eighth season of the cartoon. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world or TMNT. Just means they don't have a plan at the moment for it, but it's certainly not dead. The current volume of the comics is ending in a few issues? Well, a new volume may be started at some point later. We don't know. A lot of us seem to think we can read the minds of these people when we really have no proof of what is going to happen. Speculation does nothing but make people anxious, stress over it and cause widespread panic. Now exactly how does that help the situation?

You know, a lot can change over the course of time. Nothing is ever written in stone. And until I see something from the people in charge, I refuse to believe otherwise.

True. It's really frustrating that we can't know the details of this reliable source. Rose, can you PM me who this is, so I can at least ask this person my own questions?

When Laird pulls an Eastman and says he doesn't want to create anything TMNT-related ever again, then I'll believe the TMNT are dead.

From what I've heard now, this might not be their death. It's a break, like the one we had before the new comics and 2k3 cartoon came out. Weird that it comes at the 25th anniversary, but I seriously doubt that Laird is going to kill off everything. Maybe most things, but I think he still loves the TMNT and doesn't want them to go away and disappear, like many people seem to suggest.

Rose, I know you've heard from a reliable source, but I'm guessing it wasn't Laird. ;) But I do want to know, has anyone spoken with Murphy? Ever since he stopped producing Tales and he started writing about nothing but the environment on his blog, I don't know what he's got to do with the TMNT. I miss him.

I know that it's really frustrating that Mirage seems to be cancelling the new show, but maybe they just want to quit it before it becomes a bad show. I can get behind that.

And Laird is dropping Vol. 4, but there is no news on Tales ending. There seem to be some writers and artists with good ideas for Tales coming up. Yes, Wal-Mart is dropping the toys, but with the show ending it's no big deal. Yes, NECA are being douches, but at least, as Vaughn suggests, Mirage didn't ask NECA to drop the TMNT--it's not Mirage wanting this aspect of the TMNT to die. It's the toy company's problem. Mirage can find something else.

Mirage can evolve. Vaughn and Rose, I really respect both of you and am glad we have such investigative and dedicated TMNT fans, but please explain to me how the TMNT are dying and this isn't just a break like before.

[Jester]

TURTLE FANS! UNITE!!!
Sorry, b ut seriously if we want to see the "Green Teens" survive to their 25th birthday, it looks like it falls to us, because the corprate fat cats could care less.

[VaughnMichael]

Playmates is the one causing the problem at the moment.
That's only part of the problem Gobo, it starts at the top of the place it all started at.

[VaughnMichael]

TURTLE FANS! UNITE!!!
Sorry, b ut seriously if we want to see the "Green Teens" survive to their 25th birthday, it looks like it falls to us, because the corprate fat cats could care less.
And the Fattest Cat of them all is the biggest problem.

[Kendamu]

noooooooooooooooooooo!!! ive been a tmnt fan all of my life and now tmnt ends whyyyyy!!!!! :cry::cry::cry::-?:(
TMNT has "ended" before. Lets just hope its not as desolate as last time.

[TristanHuwJones]

Still... a cancelled comic book

Wait... what?

Anyhow Rooish, the thing about cartoons is, it doesn't cost me 4 bucks a month to keep in touch with my favorite brand.

Dude, $4 a month? Seriously?

Another thing that is crazy about getting into comics, is that someone like me who has never read any of the Mirage/Image comics, and only Archie, I wouldn't know what is going on since the continuity has been there for years and years.

There's nothing crazy about getting into the comics. The continuity has been there for years and years, but that doesn't mean that everything published is in continuity. Next year, there are definitely going to be collected books of the key stories from the original run.

The image stuff, which ran from 96-99, is not canon. It is fun to read, but it's not essential to what's going on.

Back issues of Tales and collected books of Tales Vol.2 aren't hard to find, and you can still get the Treasury collected book of Tales Vol.1 which doesn't hinge on anything from the Mirage Vol.1 books. You CAN read pretty much EVERY issue of Tales without having read Vol.1, or 2. There are plenty here who do.

Tales especially is generally treated in such a way that the story will stand on its own, without you having to dig through back issues to find out what is going on or what has gone on before. It usually gets referenced in the story itself, and what needs to be explained gets explained. Yes, there are occasional exceptions, but there are always going to be.

Heck, you could probably just watch the first two seasons of the show and you'd be completely up to speed with the comics, because all the major story arcs are reproduced ALMOST perfectly there (Utrom Shredder aside)!

That is why I don't read comics, and want this show to continue in cartoon form, as those comics have for many years.

Out of curiosity, do you buy the dvd's or the toys?


TMNT4Kids, if you guys have no control over what is happening, try and convince Mirage otherwise. This show has been on the best cartoons ever, and one that many could easily get into for the subject matter at times. If someone can look at this show in the spirit of shows like Lost, Heroes, and others, in terms of storytelling and continuity, you've done something right.

In all honesty X, the only people who will compare TMNT to shows like Lost and Heroes are the fans of TMNT. The target audience, which is kids, will not look that far into it. Not until they're the age we are now, looking back on it the same way we do with the original cartoons.

X - 4kids have just as much control as Mirage. Go back and have a look at the Fast Forward hooplah.

Indeed we will, but don't forget Peter Laird said he's ending volume 4 and that Tales of the TMNt volume 2 is up in the air but will continue through 2009.

That said though, Tales, like any comic title is always up in the air in terms of the following year. Very few comics a definitely planned two years in advance, unless it's a big, reaching event like Secret Invasion or Final Crisis. The only books IDW banks on are Templesmith titles and Transformers, Marvel only banks completely on Bendis books and Spiderman, just as DC does with Supes and Bats.
I'd been told that talks for 2010 will be happening soon. Peter gave me the thumbs up for a story that can't be scheduled into 09 (not scripted yet, still needs to be fleshed out), so discussions will be happening soon from the looks of things.

So there are no plans on the table yet for an eighth season of the cartoon. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world or TMNT. Just means they don't have a plan at the moment for it, but it's certainly not dead. The current volume of the comics is ending in a few issues? Well, a new volume may be started at some point later. We don't know. A lot of us seem to think we can read the minds of these people when we really have no proof of what is going to happen.

This is exactly what I've been trying to say, but people seem to have made up their minds and don't seem to be willing to look beyond what they're seeing in front of them. Like I said: plans take time, and getting those plans into action TAKES TIME, which is why the comics are planned a year ahead, and the cartoon goes through PLANNING and PREPRODUCTION!

Speculation does nothing but make people anxious, stress over it and cause widespread panic. Now exactly how does that help the situation?

Quoted for the truth.

You know, a lot can change over the course of time. Nothing is ever written in stone. And until I see something from the people in charge, I refuse to believe otherwise.

I like you. Lots. :lol:

[Roseangelo]

True. It's really frustrating that we can't know the details of this reliable source. Rose, can you PM me who this is, so I can at least ask this person my own questions?

Sorry, I can't do that. But if you would like to PM me questions I can see if I can get them answered (no promises that he/she can actually answer any of them though).

Rose, I know you've heard from a reliable source, but I'm guessing it wasn't Laird. ;) But I do want to know, has anyone spoken with Murphy?

I have talked with Murph a little, though not specifically about the cartoon.

Ever since he stopped producing Tales and he started writing about nothing but the environment on his blog, I don't know what he's got to do with the TMNT. I miss him.

He still does all the same licensing stuff he had been doing, just sans blog.

Vaughn and Rose, I really respect both of you and am glad we have such investigative and dedicated TMNT fans, but please explain to me how the TMNT are dying and this isn't just a break like before.

It can only be a break if management changes at Mirage. So long as Gary Richardson and Peter Laird are in charge nothing more can come of the TMNT than you see right now. If you guys care so much about the TMNT thriving for years to come, you HAVE to target the root of the problem. If you're not willing to do that, or if you're in denial of that... well, there's nothing more I can say to you.

[VaughnMichael]

True. It's really frustrating that we can't know the details of this reliable source. Rose, can you PM me who this is, so I can at least ask this person my own questions?
First off why would you ask Rose to tell you who this person is when I'm the person who is sharing this info?
I highly doubt that Rose would want to jeopardize anyone else's job and friendship as those things mean allot, more so than some cartoon.
I quite frankly find it very rude of all of you to keep asking who this person is as if you have no respect for the lives of other humans, that you would rather us rat that person out and not respect their wishes, just so you all can have comfort in a show that is bound to end at some point anyway.
From what I've heard now, this might not be their death. It's a break, like the one we had before the new comics and 2k3 cartoon came out. Weird that it comes at the 25th anniversary, but I seriously doubt that Laird is going to kill off everything. Maybe most things, but I think he still loves the TMNT and doesn't want them to go away and disappear, like many people seem to suggest.
I'm sorry but if you think he does you're fooling yourself, from what I've heard he is hardly ever around, and when he is he's in la la land.
Many people think the man want's the turtles to just go away so he can move on with his life, but it's the fans that keep pulling them back.
Rose, I know you've heard from a reliable source, but I'm guessing it wasn't Laird. ;) But I do want to know, has anyone spoken with Murphy? Ever since he stopped producing Tales and he started writing about nothing but the environment on his blog, I don't know what he's got to do with the TMNT. I miss him.
I speak with him every day, he also says things are not looking to bright.
And I will be conducting an interview with him very soon for my blog.
And as much as I love Dan and think he's a great guy, I think Tales was in much better hands under Murph.
I know that it's really frustrating that Mirage seems to be cancelling the new show, but maybe they just want to quit it before it becomes a bad show. I can get behind that.
And that's more than likely what's going on here.
And Laird is dropping Vol. 4, but there is no news on Tales ending. There seem to be some writers and artists with good ideas for Tales coming up.
Um, Rooish have you been living under a rock or what? Even Peter Laird and Trist who writes for tales has said the series is up in the air past 2009.
I wasn't saying it's canceled, I'm saying past that point they have no idea if it will or will not be around still.
Yes, Wal-Mart is dropping the toys, but with the show ending it's no big deal. Yes, NECA are being douches, but at least, as Vaughn suggests, Mirage didn't ask NECA to drop the TMNT--it's not Mirage wanting this aspect of the TMNT to die. It's the toy company's problem. Mirage can find something else.
Mirage will find something else, And Neca has allot going on not just with the Turtles, I just don't want them to end up like another great indy toy Company Palisades.
and good lord stop typing so much :P
Wait... what?
Trist we've been cool and all over time but seriously your not helping matters right now.
I'd tell you my source but I honestly think you'd nark on them.
No offense though, just as you don't believe me and mock me and them.

[Jester]

And the Fattest Cat of them all is the biggest problem.
Say what now?

[TristanHuwJones]

Trist we've been cool and all over time but seriously your not helping matters right now.
I'd tell you my source but I honestly think you'd nark on them.
No offense though, just as you don't believe me and mock me and them.

Chances are we're talking to the same people, because I've heard all these things before, and well before they were posted on any of the blogs they were posted on.

NO comic has, or is being canceled. Even if the shows and toys came to an end, ultimately Peter makes the calls as to what happens in publishing, and until Peter tells you the book is canceled, or until you hear that Peter has said it explicitly, the comics will continue. I'm not basing this on my own perceptions either, this is straight out of Mirage. As I said, just because something hasn't been planned for beyond next year doesn't mean it isn't happening. What happens if you plan for 2010 and something unexpected happens in 09? You have to replan 2010, which could make things worse for people involved in those plans. Alternately, it could make things better, but you get my point.

I'm not mocking anyone, and I wouldn't even think of mocking you to be honest. Again, this is the biggest problem with the internet and forum talks: tone. Everything is too open to interpretation, and people are interpreting things the wrong way. It also strikes me as very odd that I've just handed in the script for next November's comics, and heard from Gary not two days ago about what is going on next year involving publishing, and people are telling me the comics are canceled.

[Ninjinister]

TURTLE FANS! UNITE!!!
Sorry, b ut seriously if we want to see the "Green Teens" survive to their 25th birthday, it looks like it falls to us, because the corprate fat cats could care less.

Hopefully my personal project will get some interest generated (it's already got some non- and casual TMNT fans looking at it with some favour), but I can only go so far with a fan game.

[VaughnMichael]

Say what now?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/VaughnJohnny/ICanHasPeterLaird.png
Do I need to say more?

[Rooish]

It can only be a break if management changes at Mirage. So long as Gary Richardson and Peter Laird are in charge nothing more can come of the TMNT than you see right now. If you guys care so much about the TMNT thriving for years to come, you HAVE to target the root of the problem. If you're not willing to do that, or if you're in denial of that... well, there's nothing more I can say to you.

I get your point here, but I don't get what we're supposed to do! I did defend Laird in my last post a bit, but I do agree that he's stubborn as hell and doesn't like to address fans' criticisms. I just don't see how management could possibly ever change at Mirage. Laird has participated in implementing a lot of things for fans recently, too--like the new comics, new toon, new movie, etc. so I must give him credit there. But it seems that whenever Laird gets criticized he just puts up walls and avoids the issue.

First off why would you ask Rose to tell you who this person is when I'm the person who is sharing this info?
I highly doubt that Rose would want to jeopardize anyone else's job and friendship as those things mean allot, more so than some cartoon.


Okay, fair. Sorry, I know it was you who got this info. It's just that Rose's blog took a very finalist stance on it, so it left a stronger impression on me, so I asked her, since for some reason she knows who you were talking to. But no, I don't want anyone's career harmed, no way.

And as much as I love Dan and think he's a great guy, I think Tales was in much better hands under Murph.

Agreed.

Um, Rooish have you been living under a rock or what? Even Peter Laird and Trist who writes for tales has said the series is up in the air past 2009.
I wasn't saying it's canceled, I'm saying past that point they have no idea if it will or will not be around still.

All I said was there was no news on Tales ending, I wasn't saying it was definitely not cancelled, I just meant, there's no word that it's cancelled yet so there's no point assuming that aspect of TMNT is dead. And Tristan was who I was referring to when I spoke of the good ideas for Tales coming up. Of course we just learned that added info from him that he has a Tales issue planned for 2010, but he sure didn't seem to think, in previous posts, that either the Tales or the TMNT are dying.

[Cure]

Say what now?

I think he means the head honcho, the man on top, the big dog.

[VaughnMichael]

I'm not mocking anyone, and I wouldn't even think of mocking you to be honest. Again, this is the biggest problem with the internet and forum talks: tone. Everything is too open to interpretation, and people are interpreting things the wrong way. It also strikes me as very odd that I've just handed in the script for next November's comics, and heard from Gary not two days ago about what is going on next year involving publishing, and people are telling me the comics are canceled.
Sure seemed as if you are since your agreeing with some one who was, but anyway if not my bad.
People are getting confused by what Peter stated about Volume 4 coming to and end, even with him saying that it takes him so long just to do one issue that it will be 2010 before it's over lol:lol:

[Jester]

I guess I assumed you were infact talking about #2. ;)

[VaughnMichael]

I get your point here, but I don't get what we're supposed to do! I did defend Laird in my last post a bit, but I do agree that he's stubborn as hell and doesn't like to address fans' criticisms. I just don't see how management could possibly ever change at Mirage. Laird has participated in implementing a lot of things for fans recently, too--like the new comics, new toon, new movie, etc. so I must give him credit there. But it seems that whenever Laird gets criticized he just puts up walls and avoids the issue.
Exactly, I have allot of respect for Peter I really do, no lie.
But even though he doesn't have to, he should at least take into consideration the people who are buying his things, not flipping them off and telling them screw you mine mine mine.
Okay, fair. Sorry, I know it was you who got this info. It's just that Rose's blog took a very finalist stance on it, so it left a stronger impression on me, so I asked her, since for some reason she knows who you were talking to. But no, I don't want anyone's career harmed, no way.
Good, I'm glad you realize that, the lives of real people are more important to me than one cartoon show.

[Rooish]

Good, I'm glad you realize that, the lives of real people are more important to me than one cartoon show.

Me too; anyway, as I said, I'm fine with the cartoon ending.

[Roseangelo]

It's just that Rose's blog took a very finalist stance on it, so it left a stronger impression on me, so I asked her, since for some reason she knows who you were talking to. But no, I don't want anyone's career harmed, no way.

I can say with 100% certainty that Vaughn and I are dealing with two completely different people.

[gobo]

Just curious, but what does anyone hope to accomplish by stirring up all this trouble right now? To have productiion of any and all TMNT products abandoned before May?

[Rooish]

I can say with 100% certainty that Vaughn and I are dealing with two completely different people.

Shite, okay. Misinterpretation there. Sorry.

Just curious, but what does anyone hope to accomplish by stirring up all this trouble right now? To have productiion of all TMNT products abandoned before May?

Yup, I'm wondering if I should delete what I've said before Laird reads it.

[VaughnMichael]

I guess I assumed you were infact talking about #2. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/VaughnJohnny/ICanHasGaryRichardson.png

[VaughnMichael]

Me too; anyway, as I said, I'm fine with the cartoon ending.
I'm fine either way, but people need to know that it may.
It softens the blow if out of the blue, omgz the tmnt is the overz!!
Just curious, but what does anyone hope to accomplish by stirring up all this trouble right now? To have productiion of any and all TMNT products abandoned before May?
Read above.

[Rooish]

Dude how did you get these perfect pictures?

[Roseangelo]

I get your point here, but I don't get what we're supposed to do! I did defend Laird in my last post a bit, but I do agree that he's stubborn as hell and doesn't like to address fans' criticisms. I just don't see how management could possibly ever change at Mirage.

Well Rooish, you've discovered the catch 22, which is a good first step. The only thing I can suggest for now is don't fall into the trap of blaming anyone else.

Laird has participated in implementing a lot of things for fans recently, too--like the new comics, new toon, new movie, etc. so I must give him credit there.

This is the credit people need to STOP giving him. Get over these things; they are all in the past and fan service was not a motivation for really any of it. The idea of fan service got the balls rolling again, but that's really where it stops.

But it seems that whenever Laird gets criticized he just puts up walls and avoids the issue.

Yes. And this also ties in to why Mirage is so poorly managed.

(Sorry if this ends up being a double post.)

[VaughnMichael]

Dude how did you get these perfect pictures?
Lol I photoshopped them in.
and before anyone get's p1ssy I'm only havin' a bit of fun.

[Roseangelo]

Yup, I'm wondering if I should delete what I've said before Laird reads it.

Hiding from the "ALMIGHTY LAIRD" only lets him get away with killing the TMNT that much longer. Everyone really needs to stop blatantly kissing his ass.

[Jester]

It'd be so oddly ironic...and sad.

[Rooish]

Hopefully my personal project will get some interest generated (it's already got some non- and casual TMNT fans looking at it with some favour), but I can only go so far with a fan game.

Your game sounds pretty sweet; I just read the site. Love that little pic you have of Mike jumping, from the back of that old Mirage comic.

[VaughnMichael]

It'd be so oddly ironic...and sad.
What would be Jest?
And listen guys it's not my intention to bring everyone down and cry ooo boo hoo TMNT is going away.
I'm posting a bit of information given to me that there has been no sign of another season.
I mean seriously though don't take my word for any of this, have a look around you and how this property is being handled.

[ZariusTwo]

It'd be so oddly ironic...and sad.

Hardly, it's been going on for years, even when the show had a comfortable future. I'd say it's the culmination of years of tension combined with the last three years of indecision.


The days I had to spend months tearing fans against Laird apart in the comics over minor things like April' true origin and Laird's politics? I won't defend the company now for how they've handled things....this is stuff we SHOULD have complained about, but were too busy nit-picking at the little things

[Ninjinister]

I'm posting a bit of information given to me that there has been no sign of another season.


Aha, aha.... You said "no sign" of another season. Slip of the tongue... er... keyboard... or beacon of hope....?

[TristanHuwJones]

To be honest, I would not be surprised by the show ending here, but we have been in the position before where the show's future was undetermined. It's a double edged sword, but one edge is definitely sharper than the other.

[VaughnMichael]

Aha, aha.... You said "no sign" of another season. Slip of the tongue... er... keyboard... or beacon of hope....?
eh don't mind me S, I just feel bad I don't want people to be depressed or do anything stupid over a tv show.

[Ninjinister]

eh don't mind me S, I just feel bad I don't want people to be depressed or do anything stupid over a tv show.

Too late! I'm already doin' a bunch of stupid stuff over this!

[VaughnMichael]

Too late! I'm already doin' a bunch of stupid stuff over this!
Stupid or helpful?

[maryshine]

Can someone please give me an address for 4kids.tv or WB or SOMEBUDDY who made this desion??

I wrote a letter to have the lost season aired two years ago. Now I don't know if writting a letter made a difference, but I"m desperate!!

[VaughnMichael]

Can someone please give me an address for 4kids.tv or WB or SOMEBUDDY who made this desion??

I wrote a letter to have the lost season aired two years ago. Now I don't know if writting a letter made a difference, but I"m desperate!!
I'm think it would take more than just that but perhaps if allot of letters came in to Peter & Gary and the others you just listed it may help a bit.

[Roseangelo]

Write a letter to Gary Richardson asking him to resign.

[Ninjinister]

Stupid or helpful?

A lil' of both!

[Jester]

Oops, I Did it Again, not just a Britney Spears song anymore:
f6fDsX94qO8
Hooray!

[VaughnMichael]

VM for PREZ! woo hah thanks jester..for saying my blog name wrong! haha j/k
It's odd hearing my name so many times lol:lol:

[Sage Ninja]

To be honest, I would not be surprised by the show ending here, but we have been in the position before where the show's future was undetermined. It's a double edged sword, but one edge is definitely sharper than the other.

I don't know what to think any more. I don't want it to end, I would like at least one more season, but at this point I think I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the the rest of this season that is on and just be grateful that the turtles made it home in their own time before the series was put to bed. So far I'm enjoying what I'm seeing and I want to see another season of BTTS, but I'm not going to get excited until the very end. I'm going to keep thinking posetively.

[Jester]

VM for PREZ! woo hah thanks jester..for saying my blog name wrong! haha j/k
It's odd hearing my name so many times lol:lol:
I was doing it blind so sue me...:P
I said weirdness, didn't I?

EDIT: Wait, I did say strangeness....I missed a little bit of it.

[VaughnMichael]

I was doing it blind so sue me...:P
I said weirdness, didn't I?

EDIT: Wait, I did say strangeness....I missed a little bit of it.
hah I'm only joshin' ya man.

[Jester]

hah I'm only joshin' ya man.
To appease you I added a link to the blog itself to the description. ;)

[Machias Banshee]

Gold stars and a cookie for saying my name right...! :lol:

I think you said everything in my mind about this, Jester...

*bookmarks VM's blog and goes back to writing*

[gobo]

Oops, I Did it Again, not just a Britney Spears song anymore:
f6fDsX94qO8
Hooray!
:lol: You are such a clown. That was entertaining and civil. Well done.

The thing that worries me is not that the show will end after this season, but that Mirage's business partners will be spooked into jumping ship before May over this news, making the franchise forego the bang yet again to instead go out with the all-too-familliar whimper.

[VaughnMichael]

To appease you I added a link to the blog itself to the description. ;)
Thou hast made me happy, and it was good.
*bookmarks VM's blog and goes back to writing*
Thanks :) Yeah i think I'm gonna go work on some stuff now.

[gobo]

Gold stars and a cookie for saying my name right...! :lol:
:o It isn't 'Mah-kee-us'?

[MrPliggins]

I honestly thought it was the end of TMNT on tv when the OT ended. Didn't expect the 2k3 toon to be so awesome (IMO) and last so long. They'll definitely be back after this, in some way, shape or form, whether it's in 2 years or 20 years.

[Machias Banshee]

:o It isn't 'Mah-kee-us'?

:lol: Nope, they pronounce it Mah - Chai - us... but I thought it was said that way too when I first heard of it..


When the OT ended, that was when I discovered the Archies at the local Shop N' Save, and would read those whenever my parents did grocery shopping. Once that died off, it was keeping to my own writing, drawing, and not knowing of ninja turtle internet fandom online until my last year of high school.

I would hate to see a TMNT Drought. BUT I'm sure we'll get Something...

[Jester]

Nope, oh and be sure to watch the new related video...:D ;)

[Ninjinister]

I had a video all ready to post, and then... Youtube took flippin' forever to upload it @.@ It's only like a fleckin' minute long! Oh well... Jester's was longer, more informative, focused on more, and was much more entertaining (not to mention better camera work), so I hope you don't mind me leeching on your video with a video response.

[Jester]

LEACH!!! Nah, at least you used a awesome character.

[Ninjinister]

I had been looking for a topic to bring him out of retirement... seemed like this was the perfect one.

[Ecto Jedi]

Well listen kiddies, we've had a good run. I'm not at all opposed to letting this new series die with dignity (though that's arguable, considering Fast Forward and all that sh*t.)

It's been a blast, but it's over.

Deal with it.

[X]

Tristan, yes I have not only bought and doubledipped the DVD's, but I have also bought numerous other things from this line and other TMNT lines over the years.

I own every OT toy, and DVD that is currently available.

However, we are talking about now. So let's go from 2003 and on.

- All single disc 2k3 episodes released.

- Every TMNT toy that has come out so far, 2k3 series, FF, movie.

- TMNT 1,2,3 on Gamecube all on day 1. 50 bucks each.

- TMNT 1,2 on Gameboy Advance all on day 1. 30 bucks each.

- TMNT 3 on Nintendo DS on day 1. 30 bucks.

- TMNT 2007 movie on DVD x2 (one for me, one for son,) and the Bluray version, all bought on day 1. 3 TMNT movie purchases for one household?

- Double dipping currently on the release of the 2k3 series in season form.

- Bought TMNT 1989 classic arcade.

- Bought TMNT on Xbox 360 on day 1. 65 bucks.

- Bought TMNT 2007 movie on Gameboy Advance on day 1. 30 bucks.

So yea, I would say that I have supported the brand. For what? To be pissed on, like other fans, on the only cartoon I ever cared about, for its 25th annivesary.

All I would like to know is, who ends up being responsible for this. 4kids? Mirage? Playmates? The best thing someone can do in the world, is tell me who ends up being responsible for this, and I swear on my 2 kids life, I will never support that company again, no matter what they bring to the table. Swears are something I never break.

For the record, growing up, my life was nothing but TMNT. Transformers? Passed. Thundercats? Passed. You name the cartoon, and I barely watched any of them, if any at all. TMNT was the cartoon I was just fine with, and to think Saturday mornings are going to be filled with crap, just doesn't make things good.

I just want to know who's throwing in the towel on this awesome brand, on its 25th birthday, so I can pay them in kind when they need it. Capitalists for the lose.

EDIT: Just to clarify... I wouldn't mind the show ending, and going out with dignity as someone else put it on this thread, but killing a show on its anniversary is dirty pool. LET THE SHOW have at least one more season during its 25th year, and then call. Let the show have a ninth season for September to December of 2009, then call it a good run. Don't kill the show midway.

-X-

[Ninjinister]

Well listen kiddies, we've had a good run. I'm not at all opposed to letting this new series die with dignity (though that's arguable, considering Fast Forward and all that sh*t.)

It's been a blast, but it's over.

Deal with it.

Hey dude, there still seems to be some wiggle room. And some of us are fighting not only because the series is going to be canceled during its anniversary, but it seems like, as Jester said, it's all going down the crapper.

And nobody here knows me well enough, but I never give up without a fight. And I'm notoriously good at getting what I want if I actually put up a fight -even turning corporate heads.

Would the Turtles give up? NO! Would Guile give up? NO! Would Jebus give up? NO!

We stand as one!

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead, cultural anthropologist and outspoken academic.

[Cipher]

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead, cultural anthropologist and outspoken academic.I'm sure Mrs. Mead would be proud to know that her quotes about civil disobedience are being used to melodramatically protest the cancellation of a children's cartoon.

As for the things that have been said about Laird and Richardson, yeah, I agree. I deeply respect Laird, and I've actually enjoyed (not ass-kissing, but actual enjoyment and appreciation for) every creative desicion he's made since the revival, with the sole exceptions of April's origin and removing tones. I like his work, I love that he funded Volume 4 out of pocket, I am no hater.

But even I have to admit that under the leadership of he and Richardson, promotion of the franchise has been piss poor. No trade paperbacks, no quality control with toys (so say the collectors who actually care), no movie promotion, no promotion of the comics at all. Is it their fault that the franchise seems due for a hiatus? I have no idea, but c'mon guys, you can do better.

[Dragon Turtle]

Wow.. very interesting to see so much doom and gloom over the future of the TMNT franchise, even if the cartoon and vol. 4 end next year, I hardly see that as a death rattle for all of TMNT.


The cartoon has done remarkably well for action cartoon in this day and age, over 150 episodes, and a direct to tv special, Warner Bros doesn't give that type of treatment to their own DC properties.

As to the whos and whys, I did recieved this e-mail from Dan Berger a few weeks ago:

"The decision to do another season of TMNT lies in 4Kids' hands, so I'm afraid that we don't have any light to shed on the matter right now."

Despite TMNT being one of their highest rated shows, one look at all the Toy/Card based shows coming out this spring and the recent success of Chaotic, it's not hard to see why 4Kids is shelving the turtles, at least to see if they can get any of these other properties they are producing to take off.


As for the comics, Tristan did post this to his blog a week ago:

"I know there's a lot of doom and gloom circulating around the TMNT brand in spite of the upcoming TMNT 25th Anniversary, but what I've been hearing from Publishing and what I've seen has me excited.......there are a couple of things in line to happen next year that I think people have been worried about to a certain extent, that should please a number of them AND give a huge number of casual Turtle fans who also happen to be hardcore comic fans something they've been asking for for a while now."

[Cipher]

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead, cultural anthropologist and outspoken academic.I'm sure Mrs. Mead would be proud to know that her quotes about civil disobedience are being used to melodramatically protest the cancellation of a children's cartoon.

As for the things that have been said about Laird and Richardson, yeah, I agree. I deeply respect Laird, and I've actually enjoyed (not ass-kissing, but actual enjoyment and appreciation for) every creative desicion he's made since the revival, with the sole exceptions of April's origin and removing tones. I like his work, I love that he funded Volume 4 out of pocket, I am no hater.

But even I have to admit that under the leadership of he and Richardson, promotion of the franchise has been piss poor. No trade paperbacks, no quality control with toys (so say the collectors who actually care), no movie promotion, no promotion of the comics at all. Is it their fault that the franchise seems due for a hiatus (possibly, maybe, in the near future)? I have no idea, theses things happen, but c'mon guys, you can do better.

that should please a number of them AND give a huge number of casual Turtle fans who also happen to be hardcore comic fans something they've been asking for for a while now." Archie trades, yes?

Also, server lag caused the double post.

[NameGoesHere1066]

well thats all folks!

[TristanHuwJones]

Tristan, yes I have not only bought and doubledipped the DVD's, but I have also bought numerous other things from this line and other TMNT lines over the years.

I own every OT toy, and DVD that is currently available.

However, we are talking about now. So let's go from 2003 and on.

- All single disc 2k3 episodes released.

- Every TMNT toy that has come out so far, 2k3 series, FF, movie.

- TMNT 1,2,3 on Gamecube all on day 1. 50 bucks each.

- TMNT 1,2 on Gameboy Advance all on day 1. 30 bucks each.

- TMNT 3 on Nintendo DS on day 1. 30 bucks.

- TMNT 2007 movie on DVD x2 (one for me, one for son,) and the Bluray version, all bought on day 1. 3 TMNT movie purchases for one household?

- Double dipping currently on the release of the 2k3 series in season form.

- Bought TMNT 1989 classic arcade.

- Bought TMNT on Xbox 360 on day 1. 65 bucks.

- Bought TMNT 2007 movie on Gameboy Advance on day 1. 30 bucks.

So yea, I would say that I have supported the brand. For what? To be pissed on, like other fans, on the only cartoon I ever cared about, for its 25th annivesary.

Wow. You certainly have. But with all that, I don't understand why you don't see fit to shell (no pun intended...serious!) out $4 on a comic book. At least that $4 is going straight to Publishing, whereas with the toys, games and DVD's, while there is a portion going to Mirage (TMNT is their property), you're still funding every other company that has a stake in each of those products.

I think if you like the cartoons, particularly the 2k3 series onwards, you'll really get a kick out of the comics. They're mixed, they tell the stories and there's no pandering to a specific target audience. Honestly, I think you'll find that the continuity isn't as big a deal as you seem worried about.


All I would like to know is, who ends up being responsible for this. 4kids? Mirage? Playmates? The best thing someone can do in the world, is tell me who ends up being responsible for this, and I swear on my 2 kids life, I will never support that company again, no matter what they bring to the table. Swears are something I never break.

It's a bit of a mixed bag. Playmates and 4kids were both the driving forces behind the Fast Forward change. Lost Season WAS ready to go, but toy sales and ratings made Fast Forward a sudden priority. One could argue that Mirage made the call as well, but that said, had Fast Forward not happened and been as successful as it was, Lost Season probably wouldn't have gone to air, and neither would the BTTS season. Unfortunately it just seems like certain marketing aspects were poorly mishandled. By who, I can't say, because my main dealings are with Mirage Publishing, but I know that 4kids and Playmates both have huge says in what happens with the shows and toys (because, as everyone knows, the two go hand in hand), which was evident with Fast Forward.



I just want to know who's throwing in the towel on this awesome brand, on its 25th birthday, so I can pay them in kind when they need it. Capitalists for the lose.

Why would Mirage want to screw the pooch on their only property?
Wal-mart stopped carrying the toys.
4kids are not renewing the TV show.
To point the finger at one person or company in this situation is ridiculous, and ultimately, as Peter said, there are cycles to everything, and as I've been saying the whole time, plans take time to be put into action, and the results are never immediate. Patience is key until something OFFICIAL is said.

[CudleyCowlick]

If it truly is the end, all I can say is... can't say I didn't see it coming.

I won't gripe and I won't speculate on what comes next. I'll just wait patiently. There'll always be something to fuel my need for the green team.

[Ninjinister]

I'm sure Mrs. Mead would be proud to know that her quotes about civil disobedience are being used to melodramatically protest the cancellation of a children's cartoon.



"It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world. " - Cheesy 80's TV theme song

[TristanHuwJones]

But even I have to admit that under the leadership of he and Richardson, promotion of the franchise has been piss poor. No trade paperbacks, no quality control with toys (so say the collectors who actually care), no movie promotion, no promotion of the comics at all. Is it their fault that the franchise seems due for a hiatus (possibly, maybe, in the near future)? I have no idea, theses things happen, but c'mon guys, you can do better.

I think that error has been noted, and is definitely being rectified. Steps are being taken to really throw the comics back out in the larger comic book fanbase for the 25th anniversary, and yes, some will argue fairly that it's too late. Point is, it's happening, and people can either help or bail. So far I've heard that Newsarama, CBR, IGN, Shotgun Reviews, Wizard, Comics Continuum, and a number of other sites are lined up to help out.

What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that Publishing is a separate part of Mirage. There's Licensing and Publishing and I think another. Publishing exists almost entirely on Peter Laird's love for comics and his creations. He funds Tales and TMNT ongoing out of his pocket, usually at a loss. Publishing ends when Peter pulls the plug. But that said, Mirage Publishing needs Mirage, Inc. to continue funding books working at a loss. They can't afford lavish marketing unless the books warrant it and unless they can squeeze it into the budget.

This is a celebration of the Turtles in general, sure, but it all started with the comics, and chances are, they'll keep going even when the show is gone. I just hope people will find it in themselves to support Mirage directly by going straight to the source. If Gary and Peter and everyone else sees that there's growing support for the comics, where do you think the attention is going to turn? Word is that Playmates have already started turning their attention to the comics. If the comics take off again, people will take notice and sooner or later you'll have another boom. It's happened with X-men, Spiderman, Batman and it can happen with Turtles. It's just a matter of shifting focus.

Archie trades, yes?

Maybe...

[ZariusTwo]

and to think Saturday mornings are going to be filled with crap, just doesn't make things good.

You can assume that, but most of us with an open mind will be able to find a lot of strong shows currently.

[blue_angel99]

Bummer.:cry: I was hoping they would do more episode based off Tales of TMNT comics.

There were so many unhappy comments about TMNT (mostly about FF and the Tribunal Saga), that I'm not surprised the big guys upstairs felt it was time to pull the plug. Complaining that a kids show is to kiddy?! Come on. I don't think we gave FF a chance.

Ah well. Like Kirby said to Don: "Life at best is bitter sweet."

Here's to hoping they'll give us more seasons.

[Spitfire]

This actually works in the favor of anyone who wants a PG-13 turtles movie.

Think about it, the series is canned then turtles is allowed to fade away for awhile. After a bit they can reestablish the turtles in a PG-13 movie and from there a new TV series could follow.

This is what they did with Spider-man and Iron Man so far. There's a new Batman show now too isn't there? And a new Transformers show right?

Sure turtles isn't as big as those, or maybe it is. You know I wore a turtles shirt today and I kid you not I had over 10 people say something to me about it and that's not counting the ones that starred or gave me a thumbs up when passing by. The public loves turtles and the series wouldn't still be on if the ratings were poor.

This was obviously choice by the creators of the show I can't see any way around it. I seem to remember it being the highest rated show on 4Kids last time around and still must be since FF is being re-run non-stop.

This could also be misinformation that someone heard wrong or a rash decision that was made quickly and might later be revoked. Maybe someone isn't happy with how the new series is turning out so far and jumping the gun a bit. There's a lot of possibilities and I'm sure many have been discussed in here already.

Kick back, relax, enjoy what we got, and hope for the best in the future.

[StealthNinjaScyther]

The show has had a good run. I really don't mind that it may be ending. As long as it goes out on a strong note I'll be happy. I don't think that will be hard considering the quality of this season so far.

Just be glad we're not having the series end with a season where the guys team up with toddler versions of themselves.

[Buffy]

Wow I've missed some big news while I was sleeping! Although I would be a little sad if the show would stop after this season all things must come eventually to an end. I just think it's weird that a lot of turtle stuff is ending with the TMNT 25th anniversary. Some celebration. :( *big sigh*

[Leonardo15]

I'm sorry, but I'm not believing the news/rumour until it's officially confirmed this is true.

I'll wait patiently until then.

[tOkKa]

http://www.terrible2z.com/coleco-wh0rehouse/circlejerk/kit-hateeverything.jpg

[Hero]

And the 25th Anniversary looms much closer. What a brilliant time to be taking things away. :P

My life is over. :lol:

===HERO

[TristanHuwJones]

Wow I've missed some big news while I was sleeping! Although I would be a little sad if the show would stop after this season all things must come eventually to an end. I just think it's weird that a lot of turtle stuff is ending with the TMNT 25th anniversary. Some celebration. :( *big sigh*

The only thing we've heard is that Wal-Mart is dropping the toys and that the show hasn't been renewed. Playmates are supposedly making new figures based on the comic books, so the toys are still being produced, Ubisoft are still making games (I believe it's a Wii game), the comics are still going, DVD's will still be coming out, we just don't know either way what is going on with the cartoon show or how far into the future the figures will keep going. I had heard that Playmates were at a Toyfair this week, so I guess the future of the Turtles will be discussed afterwards.

People just need to take it easy until something official is said.

[maryshine]

Tristan, yes I have not only bought and doubledipped the DVD's, but I have also bought numerous other things from this line and other TMNT lines over the years.

I own every OT toy, and DVD that is currently available.

However, we are talking about now. So let's go from 2003 and on.

- All single disc 2k3 episodes released.

- Every TMNT toy that has come out so far, 2k3 series, FF, movie.

- TMNT 1,2,3 on Gamecube all on day 1. 50 bucks each.

- TMNT 1,2 on Gameboy Advance all on day 1. 30 bucks each.

- TMNT 3 on Nintendo DS on day 1. 30 bucks.

- TMNT 2007 movie on DVD x2 (one for me, one for son,) and the Bluray version, all bought on day 1. 3 TMNT movie purchases for one household?

- Double dipping currently on the release of the 2k3 series in season form.

- Bought TMNT 1989 classic arcade.

- Bought TMNT on Xbox 360 on day 1. 65 bucks.

- Bought TMNT 2007 movie on Gameboy Advance on day 1. 30 bucks.

So yea, I would say that I have supported the brand. For what? To be pissed on, like other fans, on the only cartoon I ever cared about, for its 25th annivesary.

All I would like to know is, who ends up being responsible for this. 4kids? Mirage? Playmates? The best thing someone can do in the world, is tell me who ends up being responsible for this, and I swear on my 2 kids life, I will never support that company again, no matter what they bring to the table. Swears are something I never break.

For the record, growing up, my life was nothing but TMNT. Transformers? Passed. Thundercats? Passed. You name the cartoon, and I barely watched any of them, if any at all. TMNT was the cartoon I was just fine with, and to think Saturday mornings are going to be filled with crap, just doesn't make things good.

I just want to know who's throwing in the towel on this awesome brand, on its 25th birthday, so I can pay them in kind when they need it. Capitalists for the lose.

EDIT: Just to clarify... I wouldn't mind the show ending, and going out with dignity as someone else put it on this thread, but killing a show on its anniversary is dirty pool. LET THE SHOW have at least one more season during its 25th year, and then call. Let the show have a ninth season for September to December of 2009, then call it a good run. Don't kill the show midway.

-X-


Ditto. I watched the orginal and this one. It is my faviorit show of all time! i JUST WANT ONE MORE SEASON!!

[Buffy]

Playmates are supposedly making new figures based on the comic books, so the toys are still being produced

That is very interesting news. Do you know on what comic books the figures are being based on?

Ubisoft are still making games (I believe it's a Wii game

A wii game? That sweet! One of the many reasons I bought a wii was the upcoming TMNT game. Hopefully this game will also come out in Europe, otherwise I still won't be able to play it, do'h!

People just need to take it easy until something official is said.

Today is not going so well for me so that's why I'm being so negative. *tries to stay positive* Maybe a little "hakuna matata is in order....

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo184/DrawingMelee/hakuna.jpg

[VaughnMichael]

That is very interesting news. Do you know on what comic books the figures are being based on?
This now has me wondering if this is the reason we've not seen anything or heard anything from NECA regarding TMNT in months?
I have to wonder if Playmates didn't bully them out of the license?

[A little *too* Raph]

So I've waited a day before commenting to let it sink in and I've come to the conclusion that while I would like to see the series continue, I'd rather have it end strong than have a last season that is crap and seems forced.

This now has me wondering if this is the reason we've not seen anything or heard anything from NECA regarding TMNT in months?
I have to wonder if Playmates didn't bully them out of the license?

I certainly hope not. Of course I have always wanted archie turtle figures that looked like movie figs.

[maryshine]

Although Leo's my faviorite Turtle, I wish Raph got his own season. Leo got season four, Mikey had Fast Foward and I consider the current season to be Don's. There hasn't been a season really focusing on Raph.

If I ever find an address (or if someone coudl POST one) I'll write protesting for one more seaosn (13 episodes) devoted to Raph. Doubt it will help, but what the hey.

Does anyone else want a season where we focus on Raph's issues?

[TristanHuwJones]

This now has me wondering if this is the reason we've not seen anything or heard anything from NECA regarding TMNT in months?
I have to wonder if Playmates didn't bully them out of the license?

As I said, they're at a con this week, so we might hear something by the end. I'm surprised more people didn't jump on this when Pete said it in his interview last week. It could be that NECA are still developing the figures for the collector market, where Playmates could be going through the usual action-figure avenues.

[X]

Wow.. very interesting to see so much doom and gloom over the future of the TMNT franchise, even if the cartoon and vol. 4 end next year, I hardly see that as a death rattle for all of TMNT.


The cartoon has done remarkably well for action cartoon in this day and age, over 150 episodes, and a direct to tv special, Warner Bros doesn't give that type of treatment to their own DC properties.

As to the whos and whys, I did recieved this e-mail from Dan Berger a few weeks ago:

"The decision to do another season of TMNT lies in 4Kids' hands, so I'm afraid that we don't have any light to shed on the matter right now."

Despite TMNT being one of their highest rated shows, one look at all the Toy/Card based shows coming out this spring and the recent success of Chaotic, it's not hard to see why 4Kids is shelving the turtles, at least to see if they can get any of these other properties they are producing to take off.


As for the comics, Tristan did post this to his blog a week ago:

"I know there's a lot of doom and gloom circulating around the TMNT brand in spite of the upcoming TMNT 25th Anniversary, but what I've been hearing from Publishing and what I've seen has me excited.......there are a couple of things in line to happen next year that I think people have been worried about to a certain extent, that should please a number of them AND give a huge number of casual Turtle fans who also happen to be hardcore comic fans something they've been asking for for a while now."

Well if it is up to them, and the decent ratings isn't enough to keep the show going for fans, then there is no reason for me to support capitalists who are all about their money. So when the money runs dry you just shun everyone? Can't rest on the laurels of your other properties to keep one that you have needed in the past, afloat? If this is truly the case, 4kids will never be tuned into again on my TV sets, and I'm always reporting to Nielsen one way or another.

Man - man - man. You know, I don't mind if the show ends, just not on its 25th anniversary. That's like breaking it off with your girlfriend, or divorcing your wife on your anniversary.

-X-

[VaughnMichael]

As I said, they're at a con this week, so we might hear something by the end. I'm surprised more people didn't jump on this when Pete said it in his interview last week. It could be that NECA are still developing the figures for the collector market, where Playmates could be going through the usual action-figure avenues.
First I'm gonna get back to you later today with the pvt message you sent me, that's allot to respond to.
Secondly, I never saw Peter say a single thing about Playmates making toys based on the comics.
It could be w/ NECA but it would be nice if they'd contact Mirage and let them know what is going on.
Yes and all except Wal-Mart but here's to hoping that they jump back on the ship if Playmates starts doing good things again and gets away from those god awful Movie looking sculpts.
That's like breaking it off with your girlfriend, or divorcing your wife on your anniversary.
Trust me I know how that one is, it's happend to me more than once.:ohwell: *shakes fist @ love*

[TristanHuwJones]

ENI: Will we continue to see new TMNT products from Playmates Toys? If so can you tell us what we might see in the next year from them?

Peter: Playmates will continue releasing new products. I'm not really on top of all of what they will be offering, but I know that there will be some toys related to the "Back to the Sewer" season of the tv show, which just recently started airing, as well as a pretty cool comics-related series of Turtle figures.

It's there, towards the end.

Sorry, initially I double posted because of a server lag.

[VaughnMichael]

Broken record much Trist lol:lol:

[TristanHuwJones]

Broken record much Trist lol:lol:

Yeah I know! Damn cruddy internet connection! I've adjusted though 8)

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah I know! Damn cruddy internet connection! I've adjusted though 8)
Would you mind sharing the link to this interview so I can read it again to make sure I didn't skim over anything else.
Is this the same interview that he talks about Kevin in a not so nice manner?

[TristanHuwJones]

Would you mind sharing the link to this interview so I can read it again to make sure I didn't skim over anything else.
Is this the same interview that he talks about Kevin in a not so nice manner?

Sure thing. And yep. http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=189&itemid=14031

[Ninjinister]

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?

[TristanHuwJones]

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?

I would guess so...

[VaughnMichael]

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?
I've been getting the error also, I look at it as the site telling me I've been here to long lol:lol:
Sure thing. And yep. http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=189&itemid=14031
Ah I did see that but didn't think anything of it as I was told that Playmates was only rereleasing the old toys in new box's.
So is that what this is or are they going to take the time and do things correctly I wonder.

[Drtooth]

Though you must admit, cancelling a TV show on the property's 25th anniversary reminds me of what I got when I graduated college. Nothing. Absolutamente nothing, and a 4 year ongoing work drought.

It's almost if my parents planned the 25th anniversary. :tsick:

[TristanHuwJones]

Ah I did see that but didn't think anything of it as I was told that Playmates was only rereleasing the old toys in new box's.
So is that what this is or are they going to take the time and do things correctly I wonder.

That one's news to me, but most of my contact with Mirage is with Dan these days.

[gobo]

There is actually a very irritating server error that I kept encountering last night that had me sending PMs and messages in duplicate. Could it be due to increased traffic?
"Internal Server Error"? That's more likely related to the forum upgrades.

[Cipher]

What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that Publishing is a separate part of Mirage. There's Licensing and Publishing and I think another. Publishing exists almost entirely on Peter Laird's love for comics and his creations. He funds Tales and TMNT ongoing out of his pocket, usually at a loss. Publishing ends when Peter pulls the plug. But that said, Mirage Publishing needs Mirage, Inc. to continue funding books working at a loss. They can't afford lavish marketing unless the books warrant it and unless they can squeeze it into the budget.

This is a celebration of the Turtles in general, sure, but it all started with the comics, and chances are, they'll keep going even when the show is gone. I just hope people will find it in themselves to support Mirage directly by going straight to the source. If Gary and Peter and everyone else sees that there's growing support for the comics, where do you think the attention is going to turn? Word is that Playmates have already started turning their attention to the comics. If the comics take off again, people will take notice and sooner or later you'll have another boom. It's happened with X-men, Spiderman, Batman and it can happen with Turtles. It's just a matter of shifting focus.If Playmates and comics news sources really are paying attention to the comics now, that's great news. And I'll admit I don't really understand the inner-workings of these things, I was just calling it as I saw it.

I never doubted that we'd see another Turtles revival at some point, but I can totally see where you and Spitfire are coming from, saying that maybe the best thing for the Turtles now would be to only exist in comics (and movies?).

Maybe...With Mirage trades too? In major bookstores? Please?

[TristanHuwJones]

If Playmates and comics news sources really are paying attention to the comics now, that's great news. And I'll admit I don't really understand the inner-workings of these things, I was just calling it as I saw it.

The big thing about the news sites is that the retailers frequent them as much as the readers. The more exposure for the Turtles, the more likely both readers and retailers are going to pay attention. Which means gradually the number of "My local comic shop guy won't stock them" or "my comic shop guy told me they don't make them anymore" (love that one).

I never doubted that we'd see another Turtles revival at some point, but I can totally see where you and Spitfire are coming from, saying that maybe the best thing for the Turtles now would be to only exist in comics (and movies?).

You look at what Hollywood is doing: going straight to the source. If Mirage get the comics out in front of the right people, they're going to take notice. Right now though, the primary concern should be getting them out in front of people full-stop.


With Mirage trades too? In major bookstores? Please?

If the first wave of Mirage trades gets enough support, then the much deserving City At War story will likely be collected as well. I can't say anything about bookstores though, as I don't know any details beyond what is getting published. News will appear soon...

[Ninjinister]

Which means gradually the number of "My local comic shop guy won't stock them" or "my comic shop guy told me they don't make them anymore" (love that one).

I'm going to assume this sentence was supposed to end with something like "will decrease."

[TristanHuwJones]

I'm going to assume this sentence was supposed to end with something like "will decrease."

You would be correct. I am sorry. It's 3 am, and I've been scripting since 7pm last night.

:dead:

[sdp]

This thread is a little melodramatic..end of TMNT? it'll get revived soon enough the franchise is bigger than Laird and anyone else involved.

All cartoons get canceled eventually, most shows last 52/65 episodes max and those are popular shows. In fact since its revival it seems the new show has stayed mostly under the radar. Of course I would love the show to continue.

Toy line fading? how many years has it been out, playmates has blame of course but its kept strong for how many years now.

The comics were never selling and if DC/Marvel has troubles selling comics what do you expect of a lesser known title that not many people know of.

I admit that I don't know almost anything about Mirage but they're a company and I feel they've treated TMNT better than most other companies treat their franchises.

[Drtooth]

Hey, I don't doubt we'd ever see a TMNT series again... but that's years away. I still think canning the show just before the big blowout they have planned is a pretty disappointing idea.

Now, here's what I'm getting... it's either Mirage or Playmates decision (as far as speculation). I mean, the toys aren't selling well... double damned by a slow economy, and the fact they just don't care what they do anymore... and I could see someone at Mirage saying that it's a good way to end the series, and it's had enough of a run (i.e. the Jerry Seinfeld thing, where he didn't want to have the show go on further)

I wonder if our 4Kids rep has discussed it with any of the higher ups yet. The only thing that confuses me is it seems he didn't know. Either 4Kids didn't plan on saying anything about it yet, or they actually don't know about plans to end the series here.

[TMNT4kids]

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.

Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.

MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!

[Drtooth]

I'm glad that you're on board to give us the news. And yes, we shouldn't start panicking, even though this is coming from someone who panics like Wade Duck. The season isn't even over yet. Even if this is the end, I'll bet it will be something fitting.

Plus, that special thing sounds good.

[Ninjinister]

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.

Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.

MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!

Y'know, I'm going to follow in your suit and match your mood, but I'm still going to champion for the Turtles everywhere I can. Not only would it build up for the 25th anniversary, but if things do go sour, there will be a legion of fans to try to set things right.

[NameGoesHere1066]

I say one more season of BTTS then call it quits. Just so long as the let us the audiance know it's the last season so we can get geared up for and cherish what we got. And if they do decide to do another season that's the series finale, I hope they span it out more than just 13 episdes and go out with a bang, with some fan service.

Kick back, relax, enjoy what we got, and hope for the best in the future.

that's the best thing right now.

and to Maryshines comment about Raphael getting his own season. I say, enough single turtle focus seasons. Lets just show them all growing and maturing and maybe a few indivual character arcs focusing on each character. Also-this is coming from Raphael fan-I a little tired of Raph suffering through his issues and being an angst machine. I want him to be happy now and see him comfertable as the mature level headed grown up turtle that he's become instead instead of the forever angry, always storming out, petulant teenage turtle.

[Ninjinister]

Last night on Peter Laird's blog:

IS this the last toon series we're going to see?

I don't know for sure, but I doubt it.

Now, I don't know what context this was taken in... by toon series is it meant as in 2K3, Fast Forward, Back to the Sewer, et cetera, or is it as in 1987, 2K3, et cetera?

[CyberCubed]

Now, I don't know what context this was taken in... by toon series is it meant as in 2K3, Fast Forward, Back to the Sewer, et cetera, or is it as in 1987, 2K3, et cetera?

I think he meant a TMNT cartoon in general.

Meaning theoretically there could be a third TMNT cartoon years down the road with a different company.

But we all probably figure that'll happen, I'm concerned if this is the end of the 2k3 series. I have this nagging feeling that if there ever is a third cartoon someday, it won't be as good as this one was, and it'll only last 52 eps before it gets cancelled. We were really lucky to get the 155 episodes that we did.

[Jo Dawn]

Well, if it's true, I can't say I'm surprised. If the cartoon had stayed on track with the 2K3 stuff? Yeah, I woulda been surprised. But the quality has gone down exponentially. E
nding on a high note would have a been a few years back.

But still, sort of sad to see it go. Shame it had to happen on an anniversary year; I think that's the biggest regret.

I love the TMNT, and hope they can continue and up their standards and writing back to the 2K3 level, if not higher, and save the cartoon.

and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up...

I really hope that isn't the Casey/April abomination wedding. ;) :lol:

[X]

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.

Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.

MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!

You even saying this, is better then the negativity we've been hearing.

Just you mentioning IF we do another season, means you have it on your mind.

I would hope the show could stay on the air for as long as it's pulling decent ratings, but if the show must end, don't do it until after the anniversary. Then we would have had an excellent 25th.

-X-

[The Big Bad]

I'm sorry, but Vaughn? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've never exactly been the Bob Woodward for the board, or even its April O'Neil (old toon, of course); where was this source of yours when we had all the uncertainty about what season 7 actually entailed? What makes you privileged enough to get information that nobody else, not even people with proven connections, know about, and to disseminate it? Either produce some information about his source--a specific company and position would be sufficient--or there is absolutely no reason to classify anything you say on the matter as anything other than rumors. Only the fact that you're a long-time and well-respected member of the community, and the belief that you're not acting maliciously, prevents me from automatically believing you're trolling.

If you do reveal this source of yours in your blog, I'll shut my mouth off and apologize. However, as things currently stand, I see no reason to give credence to your reporting.

Yes, there is no Season 8 currently in the wings, as Peter Laird has confirmed. This isn't exactly rare--the current Spider-Man cartoon is currently in the same position. What's more, there is no sign that 4Kids' support for the series has waned since the big advertising push for Back to the Sewer. Given that and the strong possibility of a second movie, there's little reason reason to believe that 4Kids would not eventually green-light another season down the line. Would we have to wait for it? Sure. May other factors intervene to make another season not viable (which is 4Kids' main concern) sure. However, at this moment, we simply do not know.

Even if a season 8 doesn't occur--and I do honestly want it to, since I believe that there are more stories yet to tell--it seems that this season is being designed so that it can work as an ending of sorts. Given how good the series has generally been, and how long its lasted, I'd be satisfied if it ended now. The gloom and doom atmosphere here, I feel, is unwarranted, and whats more, is counter-productive. Chin up! Back straight! Things are not nearly as bad as you think they are.

[thebrownranger]

Why am I not surprised? I had a feeling they would end pretty soon. I guess the TMNT universe will go back into those "lost years" again, or something of the sort. A little wierd that vol. 4 is going to be wrapped up in the same year as well when it comes to the 25th anniversary. Let's hope this shell-ebration is worth the wait.

[CyberCubed]

Considering Laird gets out about two Vol. 4 issues a year, it probably won't end till 2010.

[ZariusTwo]

This isn't exactly rare--the current Spider-Man cartoon is currently in the same position.

And it's MUCH liklier it's going to get the axe. Greg himself confirmed almost everyone has either moved on to new projects or been laid off. If it comes back, it'll be with a heap of changes. Marvel don't seem to be interested in promoting any intent on saving it either

And Vaugh isnt going to give into your intimdating demands, NO source can be named in these circumstances because thier job would be on the line if his/her name slipped. Don't be a damn idiot. You can refuse to beleive Vaugh all you want, but he's going to keep his integrity before satisfying people with no integrity at all.


The gloom and doom atmosphere here, I feel, is unwarranted, and whats more, is counter-productive. Chin up! Back straight! Things are not nearly as bad as you think they are.

Yes they are, wake up to reality pal.

I really hope that isn't the Casey/April abomination wedding. ;) :lol:

Worried it'd top yours?

[VaughnMichael]

If there is another season we wouldn't even start working on it until next year.
Considering that this season isn't even finished yet - it is still being animated as I write this - and the special thing (whatever that is) is coming up... there is plenty of stuff to look forward to and plenty of work for us to do before we even begin thinking about the next season and beyond.
MOOD: Cautiously optimistic!
You know that's a good mood to have, but I'm going to say this right now that anyone who thinks just because I've been posting bad news that mean I'm being negative or wanting the destruction or death of TMNT is fooling themselves.
I also hope we do get more seasons of the show and I hope they give in and let amazing characters like Armaggon into the show.
I'm sorry, but Vaughn? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've never exactly been the Bob Woodward for the board, or even its April O'Neil (old toon, of course); where was this source of yours when we had all the uncertainty about what season 7 actually entailed? What makes you privileged enough to get information that nobody else, not even people with proven connections, know about, and to disseminate it? Either produce some information about his source--a specific company and position would be sufficient--or there is absolutely no reason to classify anything you say on the matter as anything other than rumors. Only the fact that you're a long-time and well-respected member of the community, and the belief that you're not acting maliciously, prevents me from automatically believing you're trolling.
I'm not going to do that & I'm not sorry, it is not up to me and I do not plan to jeopardize any of my contacts or friendships.
If my friend wants to come out about whom they are, if they want to that is up to them.
They have a great deal of respect for me and what I do and my amount of respect knows no bounds when it comes to this person.
I trust them and over time our friendship and trust has grown immensely thus this is why I did not report on any information in the past on insider information as I did not have as close a contact with them as I did before.
They want you all to know goings on and not left in the dark on things be they good or bad.
Would you rather me not share this information with you folks? Because I can if you like?
Perhaps we should do a poll and vote on if you folks think I should continue sharing this information with you guys or if I should keep to the pages of my blog.
Why am I not surprised? I had a feeling they would end pretty soon. I guess the TMNT universe will go back into those "lost years" again, or something of the sort. A little wierd that vol. 4 is going to be wrapped up in the same year as well when it comes to the 25th anniversary. Let's hope this shell-ebration is worth the wait.
I don't think we need to worry about Volume 4 ending very soon as it takes Peter some time to get them done.
And Vaugh isnt going to give into your intimdating demands, NO source can be named in these circumstances because thier job would be on the line if his/her name slipped. Don't be a damn idiot. You can refuse to beleive Vaugh all you want, but he's going to keep his integrity before satisfying people with no integrity at all.
Exactly, thank you Zarius btw there's an N at the end of my first name ;)

[Zachatello00]

Maybe I'm just not high up enough on the totem poll - but this is news to me (and the shows production coordinator and producer...)

But who knows how things will pan out, eh?

We still have plenty of episodes to go this season - and of course that other thing. So there is still plenty to look forward to.

That's all I need to hear. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Thanks 4kids!

[Jelly Bean]

wow I go away for a day or two and all sorts of things happen. I really hope this isn't true but if 4KIDs says they are "cautiously optimistic" than I will be too. Hope things work out well.

[Jo Dawn]

Worried it'd top yours?

You don't even know me.

What did I ever do to you? That was totally uncalled for.

Stop being an asshole.

[Lil G]

Next Fall 4Kids Entertainment brings you TMNT: The End
And Yes this is fact, my source is very credible (they want to remain anonymous though for now anyway).
I know some of you still will not believe them, and that's fine that's your choice.
We're just trying to inform you now, so you fans are in the know and not in the dark.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/VaughnJohnny/TMNTtheEND2.png (http://vaughnmichael.blogspot.com/2008/10/tmnt-end.html)
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this is where my sig comes in. :(

[IamtheKnight]

Don't blame him, blame 4Kids, or........someone else.


Hey i was jk! LOL I still can't believe that tmnt is ending so soon. Splinter better come back and kick butt or else XD

[Aneras713]

Hey i was jk! LOL I still can't believe that tmnt is ending so soon. Splinter better come back and kick butt or else XD

dude, mine was a joke too.

[Spitfire]

This is all still too random for my liking. I'm waiting for the official press release of exactly why this decision was made. As I said before it's possible it's a misunderstanding such as the new movie mishap but something about this reeks.

I still stand by what I said, the creators want to re-vamp the series and realize they can't do it in it's present state. Honestly they need to do something this instability is annoying.

[Archon_Turtle]

this is where my sig comes in. :(

Very original. *rolls eyes*
Fantastic, now I have to make a new signature.