What kinda moron lets his 8 year old son shoot an Uzi? [Archive]

CudleyCowlick

10-28-2008, 10:44 AM

Seriously messed up. I grew up around guns since my dad is a collector and gunsmith, and he was all about teaching me how to use them - but SAFELY and certianly not beyond my abilities.

I was 15 before he let me use an automatic weapon (an AK-47). Even at that age the recoil surprised me but I knew what to expect and I had it well under control. For frick's sake, at 8 I still wasn't allowed to use anything bigger than a pellet gun!

Guns don't kill people, people who let 8 year olds use Uzi's kill people. :roll:

Mecha Cow

10-28-2008, 11:37 AM

Retarded, that's all I can say. What the hell did they expect would happen? The age to use a gun is low enough as it; don't give automatic weapons to kids even younger than that, for f*ck's sake.

Drtooth

10-28-2008, 01:17 PM

Yeah, because the gun club plays no part in this blame game.

Couldn't have said it any better. I mean, exactly. What DID they think would happen? I mean, I don't wanna get into any pro or anti gun safety talk, but when you let a kid or anyone under the age of 16 into one of those things, you'd think they'd have a lot more safety precautions. At least a lot more supervision and security.

Anarky

10-28-2008, 01:22 PM

Just to counter the "Oh, that is so stupid"-circlejerk, I'm going to say this:

Job well done. Sure, it cost one kid his life, which is a tragedy beyond understanding, but on the plus side, it took one gunslinging moron off the shooting ranges. And the fewer of those we have, the safer we all live. And by "We" I mean americans, because they're the only ones dumb enough to still think that if they don't have a fully automatic 80mm flak gun dismounted from a gunship under their beds, the british will invade in a heartbeat.

Sewer Bull

10-28-2008, 01:34 PM

And by "We" I mean americans, because they're the only ones dumb enough to still think that if they don't have a fully automatic 80mm flak gun dismounted from a gunship under their beds, the british will invade in a heartbeat.

They're going to eat you alive here, pal.

Anyway, I just loved the survey on that site:

Do you blame anyone for the boy's death?

No
Yes, the father
Yes, the gun instructor
Yes, both
It's too soon to say

Jon

10-28-2008, 01:50 PM

They're going to eat you alive here, pal.

And Anarky's the one who previously was moaning about the 'awful state' of the Forum (with the minor problems there were). Now is basically being a problem himself.

Mecha Cow

10-28-2008, 01:59 PM

Just to counter the "Oh, that is so stupid"-circlejerk
This is you in a nutshell. It is stupid. You're trying too hard.

愛

10-28-2008, 02:06 PM

Again, this is why we can't have nice things.

GK Punk

10-28-2008, 02:08 PM

We've done a terrible job raising them, Ai.

Deathknight

10-28-2008, 02:09 PM

God, that's terrible. What a horrible parent.

愛

10-28-2008, 02:10 PM

We've done a terrible job raising them, Ai.

You don't think I know that? :cry:

Sewer Bull

10-28-2008, 02:12 PM

We've done a terrible job raising them, Ai.

I sometimes think of you as my Drome Dad.

Ai being my Drome Mum.

Anarky

10-28-2008, 03:54 PM

So while you don't want dead kids, you're not in favour of, say, a bit stricter gun laws?

You know, we have pretty lax gun-control over here too. As long as you've got no criminal record, you can get everything up to an army-grade assault-rifle. And that you get under an extended background check only, read you've had to be or still have to be in the military. Uzis? No chance. But you can get shotguns.

I mean, seriously, as a sort of "I don't understand your culture"-question: What are the americans afraid of so that they have to be better armed than most countries' armies? Or what is the reasoning behind "We must have more guns! Bigger guns!"

Mecha Cow

10-28-2008, 04:13 PM

Who are you talking to?

Anarky

10-28-2008, 04:24 PM

Probably not the guy who's from the netherlands.

I'm talking to the US-Americans present in this thread. Obviously, the outrage is great, but still the USA cling to their "Oh, you want a gun? Sure, have three."-policy, which is just something I don't understand. I know that there's an article in the constitution that basically says something about the right to defend themselves, but I honestly don't think that they meant "Go and buy an Uzi and then some" with it.

Mecha Cow

10-28-2008, 05:05 PM

Alright, I only asked because you didn't quote anyone and seemingly brought up gun rights out of nowhere.

For the record, I totally agree with you on the gun control issue, though it's probably best not to get into that subject here.

Buslady

10-28-2008, 05:07 PM

This wasn't posted to have some political thing argued. So please don't get into it.

Anarky

10-28-2008, 05:18 PM

I don't really want to get into the whole "LET'S SHOOT EVERYONE!" contra "Peace, man... it's totally the way, man..." thing. I just honestly don't understand why it is or should be legal to buy an Uzi. Or the whole "My God, this is horrible and should never happen! Gun control? Hell no!"-thinking.

Jon

10-28-2008, 05:30 PM

Um... Anarky; This incident was at a gun*show*. As such, the weapons were on display, etc. not people's own purchased firearms. So please stop this high attitude with such foolish comments.

Anarky

10-28-2008, 05:39 PM

Then what does a gun-show need a fire-ready Uzi loaded with live rounds for? What could anyone need an Uzi with live rounds for?

Actually, what difference does it make if it's a regular shooting range or a gun-show? I don't think anyone's going to go "Oh, it happened at a gun-show, so it's okay..." in this case, unless gun-shows are the place where you mow down kids with a Metal Storm gun. If that's the case, then it's an entirely different, cultural matter my european brain can't comprehend.

Mecha Cow

10-28-2008, 05:56 PM

Jon

10-28-2008, 06:00 PM

That's not what I was meaning. As you were making it sound like someone owned the gun and was letting the kid use it (like the perverbial backyard shoot). Instead of a gunshow. So stop the attitude, and mistaking people's posts for something else.

Sewer Bull

10-28-2008, 06:19 PM

This wasn't posted to have some political thing argued. So please don't get into it.

But, it's kind of natural to discuss easy access to firearms when accidents like that happen.

After all, school massacres are much more common in the US than in Europe.

KROW

10-28-2008, 07:12 PM

It's sad that the child died, and I was actually going to come in here and spout my own view on the matter, but then I found I had a crushed tater tot on the bottom of my sock and realized I have my own problems.

poiuytre

10-28-2008, 08:07 PM

It's really sad that this has happened and the instructor should never have allowed it to come that far. It's supposed to be his job to know which weapons have too strong recoil for a child to handle. I can't really put much blame on the father. If an instructor was OK with it, many parents would assume it's safe enough. He was most likely under the impression the weapon wasn't loaded either.

While these accidents that happen very, very little, they are the main cause of the knee-jerk reactions for gun-control. Without threading too deeply into the subject, it might be interesting for people that don't entirely understand the gun issue to give this a look. (If you've got the time that is.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfObDFVnfp0) In a nutshell, firearms are too engrained into this society to the point where trying to get rid of them would only make the country a less stable place.

My condolences go out to the Bizilj family.

Type 97 Chi-ha

10-28-2008, 08:14 PM

It's a moot point because even with current US gun laws, the kid still wasn't legally allowed to handle a firearm. Letting a child use a (live) gun under any circumstance is stupid and irresponsible, and that's really all there is to it.

Want to know of an even worse example? A few years ago there were several preteen children (with adult copilots, but still...) competing for the record of world's youngest pilot. One boy made it safely, but he had to have special extensions placed on the pedals and other controls for his task because of his small size.

Then came a much more publicized example, where an even younger girl was trying to fly a small airplane-and crashed, killing her and her adult copilot companion. There was a big outcry about this practice in the news media and among the public about how stupid this whole idea was to begin with, and presumably the whole youngest pilot competition idea was kiboshed after that.

The girl in the news photo was obviously very young and small, and showed her wearing a cap with the message "WOMEN FLY," though a lot of people commented on the fact that a young girl is not an adult woman.

I assume at least some of you remember this story.

Mecha Cow

10-28-2008, 09:13 PM

While these accidents that happen very, very little, they are the main cause of the knee-jerk reactions for gun-control. Without threading too deeply into the subject, it might be interesting for people that don't entirely understand the gun issue to give this a look. (If you've got the time that is.) In a nutshell, firearms are too engrained into this society to the point where trying to get rid of them would only make the country a less stable place.

Well, to be fair a lot of people genuinely are in favor of gun control, and like I noted earlier this case was an accident that has little to do with the actual subject anyway.

Also, while that video is nice, it can hardly be called objective. There certainly are valid arguments (and some not-so-valid ones as well) in favor of gun rights but I don't think it's fair at all to dismiss the arguments against it. This stuff goes both ways.

Drtooth

10-29-2008, 12:56 PM

Then what does a gun-show need a fire-ready Uzi loaded with live rounds for? What could anyone need an Uzi with live rounds for?

I think we can all attest to that, gun control or not. But the fact they have one of those, loaded, and not even some supervisors or something is completely idiotic.

And I do agree... why would anyone need that out of combat? And Loaded yet?

Buslady

10-29-2008, 08:52 PM

But, it's kind of natural to discuss easy access to firearms when accidents like that happen.

After all, school massacres are much more common in the US than in Europe.

yeah i know it just isn't meant to turn out into a political argument.

Hannah

10-29-2008, 09:52 PM

This guy died on my block and they auctioned off his gun collection, and all these rednecks were leaving with 4 or 5 guns each. I mean, one guy bought the sight to a grenade launcher.

Just thought I'd mention that, lulz

Raphael_

10-29-2008, 10:32 PM

What kinda moron lets his 8 year old son shoot an Uzi?

I think the answer is in the question.

Rah Dutchy

10-31-2008, 02:34 PM

[Edit: Sorry, but bashing religions is not acceptable here.]

Anarky

10-31-2008, 03:59 PM

Yes, Mormons, the most Uzi-heavy religion there is.

Two things:

1. This thread is about a boy's auto-headshot.
2. Religious and political debates are not allowed here unless otherwise specified.

GK Punk

10-31-2008, 04:01 PM

...How did Mormon's get dragged in to this? And yeah, what Anarky said.

Cure

10-31-2008, 04:19 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I think he misread "moron" in the title as "mormon". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Buslady

10-31-2008, 07:05 PM

O.O

WTF?

Oy....some people.

Archon_Turtle

10-31-2008, 07:14 PM

Now gun safety experts — and some gun enthusiasts at the club where the shooting happened — are wondering why such a young child was allowed to fire a weapon used in war.

Because we are running out of volunteers?