Turtles and Splinter reactions to each Turtle's death

[Scandia]

How would the remaining 3 Turtles and Splinter react if a particular given brother were to die first and young?

You can also add April's and Casey's reactions here.

[discordiatookie]

Raph would go off the rails, violently mental. Mikey would go all serious and emo. Leo would lose himself in his training, as would Donnie in his experiments.

Casey would hit a bar, and some scum on the streets; April and Splinter would be like grieving parents, and perhaps find solace in each other


Did I just say that :o :lol:

[Scandia]

Would each Turtle/Splinter react the same way for each other Turtle dying? For example- would Donnie lose himself in experiments regardless of which brother died?

[shuriken]

Would each Turtle/Splinter react the same way for each other Turtle dying? For example- would Donnie lose himself in experiments regardless of which brother died?

I think it also depends on how they die. Let's see.
Mikey dies in some battle with a villain(Mirage or 2K3)
Donnie has a much bleaker outlook on life and no longer holds anything back when he fights. He distances himself away from his brothers and immerses himself in his work.
Raphael vows vengeance and trains even harder than he did before. He becomes obsessed with said villain and ends up killing him. Of course this does nothing to bring back Mikey so he becomes a terrible alcoholic and leaves his remaining two brothers and Master in order to try to find peace.
Leonardo would feel responsible as protector and try to bring his remaining two brothers closer as Mikey used to with his very kind nature and fun attitude. Unfortunately this is an overwhelmingly difficult task due to his two brother's current feeling on the matter.
Splinter is heartbroken and tries to do what Leo does in terms of trying to bring them together. But because he has lost one of his sons it is very hard for him to keep it together and also becomes an alcohlic.

Donnie dies in some battle with a villain(Mirage or 2K3)
Mikey becomes depressed and begins to write more and more. Eventually this helps him cope with his grief and seeing that he has made very heartfelt and downright incredible poetry he publishes it and dedicates himself to trying to remember how Donnie lived and not how he died.
Raph goes apesh*t and tries to go avenge Donnie's killer and in the process realises how helpful Donnie was in terms of strategy and weapons and such. Eventually he reads Mikey's poetry which in turn makes him depressed and he becomes an alcoholic.
Leo reacts the same as he did with Mikey. Only that since Mikey copes better than Donnie his job is a bit easier and Splinter is also consoled in the process, thus not becoming an alcohlic and being able to help Raph out too.

I'll post Leo and Raph die-ing(dying?) later.

[Cipher]

I started a thread about the deaths of the Mirage TMNT over in the comics section about a week ago.

In that universe, at least, I see most of the Turtles (Raph excluded, although Tristan has his own theory about that) dieing of natural causes. By that time, any of the brothers would simply accept it as a stage of life and grieve accordingly, probably moving more distant as time marches on. No "omg super angst." Just old fashioned, natural grief.

I can see something similar in the 2003 universe as well. We know that by their old age, the Turtles will have founded O' Neil Tech and be able to live normal lives. So it's easy to see them drifting off on their own should something pain them like the death of a brother.

[ZariusTwo]

How would the remaining 3 Turtles and Splinter react if a particular given brother were to die first and young?

You can also add April's and Casey's reactions here.

Is this a fetish for you or something? Because beleive me, people DO get off on asking people this s*it on the internet

Another unbeleivably stupid thread. Again, with the documentary needing support, THIS s*it is what people would rather do with their time. This is more than a little disturbing, not to mention disgusting.

This is like going into some morbidly crass Yahoo group where superheroiness being spanked, captured, gassed, or knocked-out are the dish of the day.

[1984]

This is like going into some morbidly crass Yahoo group where superheroiness being spanked, captured, gassed, or knocked-out are the dish of the day.

What?

let me say that again, what?

[Cipher]

Is this a fetish for you or something? Because beleive me, people DO get off on asking people this s*it on the internet

Another unbeleivably stupid thread. Again, with the documentary needing support, THIS s*it is what people would rather do with their time. This is more than a little disturbing, not to mention disgusting.Alright, I sort of agree. The "What Would A Character Do If...?" threads are pretty low-brow and self-indulgent. The death thread in the comics section was more a discussion of where people thought the story would/could go, the merits of certain directions, and hints being dropped. But honestly, you could do alot worse than this thread.

And I give up. In what exact way to you want me to contribute to the documentary, other than praising it?

This is like going into some morbidly crass Yahoo group where superheroiness being spanked, captured, gassed, or knocked-out are the dish of the day.I actually can't think of a more unfitting and hyperbolic analogy. So...cool?

[Doc_ock_4mugen]

I think that the reaction would vary depending on the circumstance of the death and the Turtle that dies. If the death was not related to combat it'll hit the others harder. Because they're trained warriors and to go down in combat is the greatest honor for a warrior, or so I've heard.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Is this a fetish for you or something? Because beleive me, people DO get off on asking people this s*it on the internet

Another unbeleivably stupid thread. Again, with the documentary needing support, THIS s*it is what people would rather do with their time. This is more than a little disturbing, not to mention disgusting.

This is like going into some morbidly crass Yahoo group where superheroiness being spanked, captured, gassed, or knocked-out are the dish of the day.

I beg to differ. In a scenario where someone has a fair chance of becoming a casualty, such as being a soldier on a battlefield, this is rather a legitimate question. Not the OT cartoon, of course, but Mirage or the later series definitely. Especially since I believe Splinter actually did die in the Mirage series.

[Scandia]

I have no bizarre fetishes. This is a legitimate question that will make you use both sides of your brain.

Shuriken- now I want to see reactions to Raph's and Leo's deaths.

[Cowabunga Kiefer]

Leo Dies= Raphael would be pressured as leader of the group, but afraid to take on that kind of responsibility, and therefore loses his good judgement. (I'm just guessing on that one, but something tells me Raph can't handle that much pressure). Donny would just probably lose passion in making inventions. Think "what's the point?" basically. Mikey might lose a a slight sense of optimism, but try to keep the group's spirits up. Splinter would grieve, but want to get over it soon...but just cannot get over it.

Raph Dies= Leo would feel he let his brother down, and that he should've been there for him. He'd totally blame himself for everything. Donny would feel that something is now missing in his life, and may take a long time trying to figure out what he can do to fill the gap. Mike would for once feel anger, and let himself out. Maybe his rage would last a few weeks or months, but he should be back on his feet when he comes to his senses. Splinter feels that he didn't show much attention with Raph, and could've done more for him, and just regrets himself.

Donny Dies= Leo would see his team plummet back to square one. He would feel he has to have more responsibility to keep this team moving, if they want to keep doing what they love. Raph would feel scared in that some hope is lost in the group, and suddenly assume that this team is officially over. Mike would feel alone in the group, and probably be moved to begin a new hobby, but still finds unhappiness. (OK, this is getting sad!) Splinter would obviously see this team is incomplete, and that it cannot push forward unless gaps are filled, and the team can learn to become one again.

Mike dies= Leo would see no real joy in throwing himself out there, and doing what he likes to do. Beating up villains isn't just as much fun as it used to be. Raph's sense of cunning wit would become more realistic, and perhaps not make much sense. Most likely to go out on long walks and spend a lot of time alone to himself. Donny would find no happiness in his projects and his ninja skills. He may feel he doesn't really contribute much to this group, and may possibly move on to other things. Splinter would see that Mike's humor kept a sense of optimism and hope in the group. To completely keep away the pessimist side to things, and may encourage his remaining students to lighten up, which may never come.

I think Casey and April will act the same towards every turtle. April=not much desire to see much of the turtles, but sometimes intentionally avoid them. She wants to move on, but just can't. Casey=He's thinking "it's all up to him now." So he goes off and gets villains, but wreaks too much havoc, and eventually gets his face on Wanted posters, and faces charges which lands him in a few years in prison, which may scar him for life (but that's just me).

OK, I'm gonna go into the corner now and hug my plush Leo doll now. Interesting thread.

[Doc_ock_4mugen]

But wouldn't Raph's death (in combat) affect Casey more than if it was one of the others?

I'm emphasizing the way of death because natural cause vs falling in battle would affect them differently... I think... We must take in consideration that the Trutles were trained as warriors their whole life, so their views on life and death might be different from the rest of us.

[Cowabunga Kiefer]

Yeah, I was kinda thinking more in combat, and not so natural. I mean...what can you possibly die of naturally (except that sickness only mutants can get in that on OT episode.) I guess Casey would be affected more from Raph's death than the others, but I think he would continue on doing what he does. He might feel alone at times, but after fighting crime just kinda takes some of the pain away I guess. If I were to be in a ninja turtle's point of view, I wouldn't really know how to exactly react. Whatever I wrote above was in perspective of their personalities being affected.

[shuriken]

Shuriken- now I want to see reactions to Raph's and Leo's deaths.

Ask and you shall recieve.

Leo dies in battle (Mirage and 2K3)
Raphael loses a little part of himself and becomes more brutal to his opponents than ever. He eventually avenges his brother, but at the same time feel that without a leader they can't go on as a team. He now tries to be more like his fallen brother and begins to focus more on the spiritual and technical side of ninjitsu more than before, which helps him cope with loss.

Mikey feels a bit lost without his brother's guidence. He still has Splinter but feels a bit vulnerable without Leo watching his back. He then begins writing about Leo and all of their exploits together, realising that for the most part Leo was the "star of the show" so to speak. He then has Donnie edit it and publishes it and it becomes a best seller in dedication to his fallen brother.

Donnie feels that he has to step up and take Leo's place as group leader. He still feels passionate about his technological hobbies but kind of puts it on the side in order to be there with for his brothers and Splinter.

Splinter at first would be very depressed seeing that his son and star pupil has died and at first lend himself to sake and large quantities of sushi. But then he would realise that he must care for his remaining sons which still need his guidence. Thus getting closer to them in the process.

Raphael dies in battle (Mirage 2K3)
Leo would take it the hardest, seeing as how protective he is of Raph he would see this as a failure much like Batman saw Jason Todd's death and never be able to truly live it down. He distances himself from his other brothers and decides to move into the wilderness and train himself in isolation.

Mikey feels a great sadness and puts his emotions on paper. He also trains harder than he did before and becomes even more skilled than Leonardo because he feels that he has to make up for Raph's absence. He decides to keep his writing on Raph and keep them to himself in order to remember his brother.

Donnie sees what happens to Raph and decides to give up ninjitsu all-together much to the dismay of Master Splinter and Mikey (Leo has no say because of his self induced isolation). With that he isolates himself working on various projects eventualy loses all contact with his former family.

Splinter blames himself for his son's death and pleads to Leo and Donnie to stay but he eventually knows that they must do what they have to. He then becomes an alcoholic and eventually gets a hold of himself and dedicates himself to training Mikey to be the best ninja he could be.

Casey loses his best friend and attempts to avenge him alone and gets himself killed.

So overall Mikey and Raph dying would tear the family apart, as opposed to Leo and Donnie dying would bring them closer.

[Scandia]

Actually, I think the brother most upset at Raphael's death would be Mikey. The two of them are very close.

Ditto for Mikey's death- Raph would be the most upset.

For Donnie's death that would be a tough one. I can see all other 3 getting quite upset, since Donnie is kind to everyone and at the same time a bit reclusive.

And for Leo's death, probably Splinter.

[Roland]

if one of the turtles dies except don ,maybe don wil try to rebuild his brother into some kind of cyborg to replace his brother or bring back.

Depends how good don is in biology he may use stem cells from his brothers corpse inject it into an other pet shop turtle and mutate that turtle to create a new leo,raph or mike. Well easier word for this cloning.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Another unbeleivably stupid thread. Again, with the documentary needing support, THIS s*it is what people would rather do with their time. This is more than a little disturbing, not to mention disgusting.

Ah, I was waiting for a post like this. Look at it this way, it gave you another opportunity to angrily mention the documentary.

These topics are a little weird and morbid, but they are a step above speculating about the turtles' sex lives anyway.

[Cipher]

Ah, I was waiting for a post like this. Look at it this way, it gave you another opportunity to angrily mention the documentary.The more I think about it, the more I really do agree with Zarius here. I'm not saying that everyone has to help with the documentary (that'd make me a massive hypocrite anyway). I'm not even saying you can't discuss the Turtles' deaths (because I certainly made a topic about it over in the Comics section).

But certainly we can have discussion at a higher level that this. These "What Would This Character Do If ...?" threads are little more than poorly disguised requests for shlocky, summarized fanfiction. It's masturbatory. Not the end of the world, of course, but Zarius was pretty much on the money. In this case.

[Candy Kappa]

How would the remaining 3 Turtles and Splinter react if a particular given brother were to die first and young?

You can also add April's and Casey's reactions here.

I will go with a crazy Idea and say they would react as any person would react loosing a close family member

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

But certainly we can have discussion at a higher level that this. These "What Would This Character Do If ...?" threads are little more than poorly disguised requests for shlocky, summarized fanfiction. It's masturbatory. Not the end of the world, of course, but Zarius was pretty much on the money. In this case.

You've got a point. If people want to speculate about that kind of stuff, there's a fanfiction section. Or all that speculative stuff can be kept to one thread, like it was for a while.

I just don't think it does any good to complain and call people idiots and whatnot either, like what's been done in prior threads. If you don't like the topic, ignore it and keep pushing up the documentary topic through discussion of something you want to talk about.

[Doc_ock_4mugen]

But is it really fanfiction? I see it more as a creative excersise... a pseudo analysis of the characters and trying to predict the outcome based on what we know about the characters... Sounds like its almost on fanfiction territory, but this is general tmnt discussion so, nearly anything goes...

The point is that zarius once again stalked a topic to complain about not recieving any help on the Turtle Documentary and call us idiots...

Zarius: Live and let live, dude! If you don't like the post, ignore it... don't bump it with a rant on how people don't want to help on your project...

[shuriken]

Actually, I think the brother most upset at Raphael's death would be Mikey. The two of them are very close.

Ditto for Mikey's death- Raph would be the most upset.

For Donnie's death that would be a tough one. I can see all other 3 getting quite upset, since Donnie is kind to everyone and at the same time a bit reclusive.

And for Leo's death, probably Splinter.

Granted that Mikey and Raph are very close, but I feel that mikey would be able to cope with loss a lot better as opposed to Leo, especially the loss of a brother.
I agree with Raph being the most upset as well.
Splinter would take it hard for sure.
If the turtles died of either an illness or old age I think that they would all grieve, but they would het over it relatively soon and move on. Splinter died and they grieved for him and had a little funeral for their father. I think in those situations it's easier for people to cope with it due to the fact that they died "peacefully". As opposed to dying in battle.

As for the thread being masturbatory and self indulgent, I just think that discussing how the guys would react to the loss of a brother is something that comes as natural as talking about how they've grown throughout the comics series. They are warriors and the life a warrior tends to lead to a violent death. It would be interesting to see in a one shot comic how one turtle's passing away would affect the whole team.
This thread could be significantly worse in asking what do you think would be the most f**ked up way the turtles could die. THAT would be the kind of thread that I think relies on shock value and shock value alone. I do kind of feel bad for Zarius because he's busting his ass for this, and he's not getting the type of support that he would have expected. But at the same time being condescending towards people is a bad way of getting people to support you. my two cents.

[Donnie]

Well, there have been numerous side stories in which we get a glance at the future Turtles, and more times than not it is Donatello and Raphael who are alive. I remember in the Archie series there was a couple of issues with this. It doesn't mean Leonardo or Mikey died - but I think we can assume that Raph and Don make it through the years.

In TALES #41, we see a very possible future Leo. This could have easily been where Leo went while Don and Raph went off or were doing other things.

I really do not see any of the Turtles dying early in battle.

There was once this fan-fiction story called "Nirvana" that envisioned Donatello as the last remaining turtle living in Japan. Mikey died in battle causing Raphael to go balistic and attack Leonardo. Leo, thinking he accidently killed Raph, commited suicide. Raphael survived and went off on his own. By the end of the story, Raphael tracks down Don in Japan and they find eachother.

That's just a silly fan-fiction...but I thought it pertained to the thread.