Project: Episode Order for OT

[JoeD80]

*Please Read Guidelines Before Posting in This Thread*

Guidelines:

The goal of this project is to place every single episode in an order that will have as much continuity as possible.

1) I'll keep the list updated at the top of this thread. Each episode will be added to where it appears to make the most sense continuity-wise based on my thoughts and the discussions here.
1A) Don't post your own list; the list will be updated here. Make your relevant comments in the thread and I will update the list here if it makes sense or we come to consensus. Remember, I am open to changing this list even after we have passed the discussion of a particular episode.
1B) Commenting on future episodes is fine as well, I'll try and keep that up to date here as best I can
2) Thoughts about the episode just watched will appear at the end of the thread. Make your comments there as well.
3) The order I am watching from is air-date, even though this places some in obviously incorrect locations. Exception: I am going to separate the Group W episodes from the CBS episodes. So Plan 6, European episodes will come *before* Dimension X Story, etc. in our discussions
4) All comments welcome, including comments disagreeing with the already agreed upon order! We're going to finish this project!
5) If you want to watch the episodes at the same time so you can make comments, I will post the next 3 episodes I am planning to watch.
5A) I'll put a date-stamp on when I plan to post my comments on the next batch. Weekends will generally have no update, but for the most part I'll do 3 episodes per night.
5B) I'm going to try to add extra episodes over the weekend, so on the Monday update you'll see maybe 7 - 10 episodes. I'll make sure to update the "upcoming" list so that you'll know how many episodes to expect on that Monday.

Season 3 done. Sorting through my notes

New expected dates:

X. Season 3 (2/1 Done / Sorting through notes)
X. Season 4 Syndicated (3/18 )
X. European (3/18 )
X. CBS Season 1 (3/28 )
X. CBS Season 2 (3/28 )

Current List:

1. Turtle Tracks
2. Enter the Shredder
3. A Thing About Rats
4. Hot-Rodding Teenagers from Dimension X
5. Shredder & Splintered

1. Return of the Shredder
2. Case of the Killer Pizzas
3. The Incredible Shrinking Turtles
4. It Came from Beneath the Sewers
5. The Mean Machines
6. Curse of the Evil Eye
7. Enter: The Fly
8. New York's Shiniest :-?
9. Splinter No More
10. Invasion of the Punk Frogs
11. Teenagers from Dimension X
12. The Catwoman from Channel Six
13. Return of the Technodrome

1. Beneath These Streets
2. April Fool :sleep:
3. The Old Switcheroo
4. Attack of the 50-Foot Irma
5. Ninja Sword of Nowhere
6. 20,000 Leaks Under the City
7. Sky Turtles
8. Burne's Blues
9. The Maltese Hamster
10. Enter the Rat King
11. Super Bebop & Mighty Rocksteady
12. Attack of Big Macc
13. Camera Bugged
14. Four Musketurtles
15. Turtles on Trial
16. Turtles at the Earth's Core
17. The Fifth Turtle
18. Cowabunga Shredhead
19. Take Me to Your Leader
20. Beware the Lotus
21. Blast from the Past
22. Casey Jones - Outlaw Hero

:sleep: - episode placed today
:| - Expecting more episodes to go before this one
:-? - Plan to rewatch for placement
8) - New placement by consensus
:oops: - episode moved to new spot today

Future List (these will get numbers when they are added to the current list):
(compiled from comments made)

X. April Fool (unexpected lava)
X. Bye Bye Fly (Sewer Tubes invented)
X. Case of the Hot Kimono (Sewer Tubes Used)
X. Pizza by the Shred (Sewer Tubes Used)
X. Once upon a Time Machine (year is mentioned as 1991)
X. Elementary, My Dear Turtle (year is mentioned as 1991)
X. The Dimension X Story (Technodrome gets stuck in lava)
X. The Big Zipp Attack (Zipp eats manhole)
X. Planet of the Turtleoids (Technodrome on Earth)
X. Leonardo Is Missing (Technodrome still in arctic)

[Krang]

Great idea! Thanks for organizing this.

(Moderators: can we change the title of the other thread to "Question about OT Episode Order" to distinguish it from this thread? Thanks :) )
No problem, it has been taken care of.

[JoeD80]

Great idea! Thanks for organizing this.


No problem, it has been taken care of.

Thank you Krang.

BTW, to the others that posted information on stuff like The Fifth Turtle, The Big Zipp attack, etc. I have all your messages saved with responses for when I get to those episodes, so don't think I've ignored it!

Now on to the current three episodes:

Curse of the Evil Eye: This seems to be placed in the only place it can, at the end of all the eye episodes. So The Incredible Shrinking Turtles & It Came from Beneath the Sewers both involve the first fragment since Baxter misplaces it; The Mean Machines covers the 2nd, and Curse covers the 3rd. Baxter becomes progressively more agitated by Shredder, which leads me to my first real question of these early episodes ---

Case of the Killer Pizzas -- in this episode, Baxter is still fairly obsequious and I've always wondered if this made more sense *before* the episodes involving the Eye. Krang does help Shredder a little bit in this episode though, so maybe he wasn't willing to do that until Shredder went through the adventures with the Eye. The main thought I had is that Shredder wouldn't be as willing to accept Baxter's help after the whole trying to steal the eye for himself thing. So I'd be interested if anyone else had similar thoughts about this episode or if it's just me.

Enter: the Fly -- the end of Baxter and Bebop & Rocksteady return from Dimension X. This one only has one spot to go in since all the episodes without Baxter have Bebop & Rocksteady on Earth.

Check the top list for my updates.

[gobo]

Case of the Killer Pizzas -- in this episode, Baxter is still fairly obsequious and I've always wondered if this made more sense *before* the episodes involving the Eye.
I always thought that was weird too. But, since no one ever questioned it, I overlooked. Best not to start a revolution unless you're certain the government's corrupt, you know

[JoeD80]

I always thought that was weird too. But, since no one ever questioned it, I overlooked. Best not to start a revolution unless you're certain the government's corrupt, you know

That's the beauty of this thread; it's time for the revolution! Remember, we are going for as much continuity as possible, so if it makes more sense in that order, we should put it in that way, but also remember, everyone is allowed to make comments on episodes already placed if they don't agree with its position. I want to hear some good arguments from other people rather than just listening to the voices in my head! Meanwhile, I count that as two votes for moving this one so I will.

Now on to the next three episodes:

-Invasion of the Punk Frogs -- Splinter makes an interesting comment in this episode -- that "all indications are that Shredder plans to get the Technodrome back from Dimension X." Yet there hadn't been any indication of this yet. I believe there are some other episodes coming up where Shredder does try to open a portal to Dimension X, so I would think those would go before this episode.

-The Catwoman from Channel Six -- The big bit here is that Irma finally meets the Turtles, so any episodes where she still is wondering about April and the turtles has to go before this episode. It was kind of fun to watch this right after Fly and Frogs -- Shredder tries to train another mutant to go after the turtles in all 3 episodes (Fly, Frogs, Cat)!

-New York's Shiniest -- I noticed in this episode that Irma never does visit the turtles here. This one has a very interesting event -- the Turtles crash the Turtle Van off the bridge -- and then Splinter & April leave the sewers in the Turtle Van! Interestingly in this episode Krang says he's not going to help Shredder any more if he messes this one up. Since he gets a matter transporter from Krang in Catwoman, perhaps this one does go after. Irma doesn't ever show up in the sewers though, although she doesn't make her usual comment here about April always talking about the turtles.

As always, check the top of the thread.

[oldmanwinters]

Curse of the Evil Eye: This seems to be placed in the only place it can, at the end of all the eye episodes. So The Incredible Shrinking Turtles & It Came from Beneath the Sewers both involve the first fragment since Baxter misplaces it; The Mean Machines covers the 2nd, and Curse covers the 3rd. Baxter becomes progressively more agitated by Shredder, which leads me to my first real question of these early episodes ---

Case of the Killer Pizzas -- in this episode, Baxter is still fairly obsequious and I've always wondered if this made more sense *before* the episodes involving the Eye. Krang does help Shredder a little bit in this episode though, so maybe he wasn't willing to do that until Shredder went through the adventures with the Eye. The main thought I had is that Shredder wouldn't be as willing to accept Baxter's help after the whole trying to steal the eye for himself thing. So I'd be interested if anyone else had similar thoughts about this episode or if it's just me.
That's a GREAT point about the Shredder/Baxter relationship. You have to think Shredder would have been done with him after the Eye of Sarnath arc. Yet, in Killer Pizzas, he actually gives him a compliment about his good catch saying, "we might make a ninja out of you yet!" I agree, Killer Pizzas probably precedes the Evil Eye. In Japan's TMNT manga adaptations, the Frogs and Killer Pizzas stories happen before the Eye of Sarnath arc. Not that any of that is really relevant to episode order though, especially since the Punk Frog story can't happen till Baxter is gone.


-The Catwoman from Channel Six -- The big bit here is that Irma finally meets the Turtles, so any episodes where she still is wondering about April and the turtles has to go before this episode. It was kind of fun to watch this right after Fly and Frogs -- Shredder tries to train another mutant to go after the turtles in all 3 episodes (Fly, Frogs, Cat)!
That's an interesting connection between the "Shredder trains mutant" theme. I think this one goes after New York's Shiniest though. I like to think this one immediately precedes Return of the Technodrome because of Krang's ominous boast about raising the Technodrome. But maybe it's a weak argument on my part to build it on that one point. Good point about Irma's reactions, although she seems fairly comfortable with the Turtles' existence before she even meets them in Catwoman, so maybe she's just more flexible than we give her credit for.


-New York's Shiniest -- I noticed in this episode that Irma never does visit the turtles here. This one has a very interesting event -- the Turtles crash the Turtle Van off the bridge -- and then Splinter & April leave the sewers in the Turtle Van! Interestingly in this episode Krang says he's not going to help Shredder any more if he messes this one up. Since he gets a matter transporter from Krang in Catwoman, perhaps this one does go after. Irma doesn't ever show up in the sewers though, although she doesn't make her usual comment here about April always talking about the turtles.
Hmm, you might be right that this one comes after Catwoman on account of Krang's threat. Then again, when has he ever made good on his threats against Shredder? :)

And, yeah, LoL about the van. That mistake even made it into the UK comics adaptation and (I think) the manga adaptation.

[TMNT 100]

I have the Current List on my computer.

Turtle Tracks
Enter the Shredder
A Thing About Rats
Hot Rodding Teenagers from Dimension X
Shredder & Splintered
Return of the Shredder
The Incredible Shrinking Turtles (1)
It Came From Beneath The Sewers (2)
The Mean Machines (3)
Curse of The Evil Eye (4)
The Case Of The Killer Pizzas
Enter: The Fly
Invasion of the Punk Frogs
Splinter No More
New York's Shiniest
Teenagers From Dimension X
The Catwoman From Channel Six
Return of the Technodrome
Beneath These Streets
April's Fool
Sky Turtles
Cowabunga Shredhead
Invasion of the Turtle Snatchers
The Old Switcheroo
Turtles on Trial
Attack of the 50 Foot Irma
The Maltese Hamster
The Fifth Turtle
Camera Bugged
The Ninja Sword of Nowhere
Green with Jealousy
Take Me to Your Leader
Enter the Rat King
Turtles At the Earth's Core
Burne's Blues
20,000 Leaks Under the City
Beware the Lotus
Leatherhead: Terror of the Swamp
Super Bebop and Mighty Rocksteady
Blast from the Past
Attack of Big MACC
The Turtle Terminator
The Grybyx
Mutagen Monster
Casey Jones: Outlaw Hero
Michaelangelo's Birthday
Turtles, Turtles Everywhere
Return of the Fly
The Making of Metalhead
Four Musketurtles
Usagi Yojimbo
Shredderville
Corporate Raiders from Dimension X
Usagi Come Home
Leatherhead Meets the Rat King
Case of the Hot Kimono
Pizza By the Shred
Bye, Bye, Fly
The Gang's All Here
The Missing Map
The Great Boldini
Mister Ogg Goes to Town
The Big Rip-Off (1)
The Big Break-In (2)
The Big Blow Out (3)
Plan 6 from Outer Space
Tower of Power
Rust Never Sleeps
A Real Snow Job
Venice on the Half Shell
Artless
The Lost Queen of Atlantis
The Irish Jig is Up
Shredder's New Sword
Ring of Fire
Turtles on the Orient Express
April Gets in Dutch
Northern Lights Out
Elementary, My Dear Turtle
Turtles of the Jungle
Michaelangelo Toys Around
Peking Turtle
Shredder's Mom
Four Turtles and a Baby
Turtlemaniac
Planet of the Turtles
Name That Toon
Menace Maestro, Please
The Turtles and the Hare (1)
Once Upon a Time Machine (2)
Rondo in New York
Superhero for a Day
Back to the Egg
Planet of the Turtleoids (1)
Planet of the Turtleoids (2)
The Dimension X Story
Son of Return of the Fly II
The Big Zipp Attack
Farewell, Lotus Blossom
The Big Cufflink Caper!
Rhino-Man
Were-Rats from Channel 6
Bebop and Rocksteady Conquer the Universe
Slash - The Evil Turtle from Dimension X
Rebel Without a Fin
Poor Little Rich Turtle
The Foot Soldiers are Revolting
The Big Bug Blunder
Donatello's Degree
Raphael Meets His Match
Raphael Knocks 'Em Dead
Donatello Makes Time
Leonardo Lightens Up
Funny, They Shrunk Michaelangelo
Michaelangelo Meets Bugman
Leonardo Versus Tempestra
What's Michaelangelo Good For?
Beyond the Donatello Nebula
Unidentified Flying Leonardo
Raphael Drives 'Em Wild
Splinter Vanishes
Donatello's Badd Time
Donatello's Duplicate
My Brother, the Bad Guy
Enter: Mutagen Man
Napoleon Bonafrog: Colossus of the Swamps
Michaelangelo Meets Mondo Gecko
Michaelangelo Meets Bugman Again
Leonardo Cuts Loose
Muckman Messes Up
The Ice Creature Cometh
Zach and the Alien Invaders
Raphael Versus the Volcano
Raphael, Turtle of a Thousand Faces
Pirate Radio
Landlord of the Flies
Leonardo, The Renaissance Turtle
Welcome Back, Polarisoids
Michaelangelo, the Sacred Turtle
Rock Around the Block
Krangenstein Lives!
Super Irma
Adventures in Turtle-Sitting
Sword of Yurikawa
Return of the Turtleoid
Shreeka's Revenge
Too Hot to Handle
Nightmare in the Lair
Phantom of the Sewers
Donatello Trashes Slash
Sleuth on the Loose
Polly Wanna Pizza
Leonardo is Missing
Mr. Nice Guy
Snakes Alive!
Convicts from Dimension X
The Starchild
The Legend of Koji
Night of the Dark Turtle
White Belt, Black Heart
Attack of the Neutrinos
Escape from the Planet of the Turtleloids
Night of the Rogues
Revenge of the Fly
Dirk Savage: Mutant Hunter!
Combat Land
Atlantis Awakes
Invasion of the Krangazoids
Shredder Triumphant!
Get Shredder!
Wrath of the Rat King
Cyber-Turtles
State of Shock
Cry H.A.V.O.C.! (1)
H.A.V.O.C. in the Streets (2)
Enter: Krakus (3)
Turtle Trek
The Unknown Ninja
Dregg of the Earth
The Wrath of Medusa
The New Mutation
The Showdown
Split-Second
Carter, the Enforcer
Doomquest
The Return of Dregg
The Beginning of the End
The Power of Three (1)
A Turtle in Time (2)
Turtles to the Second Power (3)
Mobster from Dimension X
The Day the Earth Disappeared
Divide and Conquer

[JoeD80]

I have the Current List on my computer.

Thanks for that, but I believe you have missed the whole point of this project. We know the production order already. There's a reason I didn't just post a list with all the episodes on it. We are shooting for continuity here by paying careful attention to the content of each episode. The list for this project is maintained at the top of the thread by me so please contribute to that discussion rather than supplying your own competing list. Also please note as stated from the guidelines I am starting from air-date order in a list that I have myself (based in part on Gobo's LOC research), so please do not suggest a different viewing order. Discuss the episodes at hand (or any previous episodes). Upcoming episodes for discussion are listed at the top of the thread also. Any discussion is welcome, but posting a lot of lists will just fill up this thread, and the idea is to keep one list at the top, which after all is the main purpose of this thread (so I've added guideline 1A).

(You can check the top, but a reminder that tomorrow's episodes are Splinter No More, Teenagers from Dimension X, and Return of the Technodrome)

[JoeD80]

In Japan's TMNT manga adaptations, the Frogs and Killer Pizzas stories happen before the Eye of Sarnath arc.

I think that's how TV Tokyo played the episodes as well. I haven't seen the manga. Interesting!

I like to think this one immediately precedes Return of the Technodrome because of Krang's ominous boast about raising the Technodrome.

That's a good point, and one I meant to write down in my notes, where Krang says something along the lines of "wait until I bring the Technodrome" or something similar.

Good point about Irma's reactions, although she seems fairly comfortable with the Turtles' existence

What I'm referring to with Irma is when she specifically questions their existence to April. This wouldn't happen once she's met them.

Then again, when has he ever made good on his threats against Shredder? :)

You have a point on this one, and I just had a though about the Punk Frogs -- Krang doesn't want to help Shredder until he decides using the mutagen is actually a good idea. So maybe that was after he already said he wouldn't help Shredder anymore. Interesting thoughts.

(Sorry about that if this counted as a double-post; these two messages make more sense separately)

[gobo]

But maybe it's a weak argument on my part to build it on that one point.
That's the best that can be expected. Continuity is based on milestones and character development, even though character development isn't very consistent in this series.
Good point about Irma's reactions, although she seems fairly comfortable with the Turtles' existence before she even meets them in Catwoman, so maybe she's just more flexible than we give her credit for.
That's what he said... :evilgrin:
Then again, when has he ever made good on his threats against Shredder?
One of the many examples of inconsistent character development in this show...

[Luke795]

Is the Technodrome located on Earth in Planet of the Turtleoids or in Dimension X?
If it's on Earth then it should be a season 5 episode if it's in Dimension X then it should be a season 4 episode.

[oldmanwinters]

I think that's how TV Tokyo played the episodes as well. I haven't seen the manga. Interesting!
The Japanese TV order can be found here:
http://freakfreak.net/information/cartoon/classic/EP_Correlation.html
And yes, Punk Frogs and Killer Pizzas follow immediately after Return of the Shredder and right before the Eye of Sarnath saga. Still, that probably doesn't have any bearing on continuity. It is interesting as to why they made that decision though.


What I'm referring to with Irma is when she specifically questions their existence to April. This wouldn't happen once she's met them.

Oops, I must have forgotten about that.

[JoeD80]

Is the Technodrome located on Earth in Planet of the Turtleoids or in Dimension X?
If it's on Earth then it should be a season 5 episode if it's in Dimension X then it should be a season 4 episode.

It's on Earth in Planet of the Turtleoids. It looks like a mountain, but I think it's supposed to be the Arctic. And Krang plans to free the Technodrome using a heat ray, so that seems to go with the whole stuck in ice thing.

I like to think this one immediately precedes Return of the Technodrome

Well after watching Return of the Technodrome, it actually has a couple of ties to Catwoman from Channel Six, including Irma and Krang, so those are definitely tied together in continuity.

So on to the episodes:

Splinter No More -- this one has Shredder attempting to open the portal to Dimension X without using Krang's help. I think this comes before Frogs for two reasons -- first, because Splinter talks about "all sings pointing to Shredder having the Technodrome return" in the Frogs episode, and also this episode talks about mutagen like we haven't heard it in awhile, and then we see it in Frogs again.

Teenagers from Dimension X -- this one has Shredder attempting to open the portal yet again. Krang does give Shredder some new technology in this one (the mutant brain drain). I think this one comes after Krang decided Shredder's ideas are OK in Frogs.

Return of the Technodrome -- this one is the finale for the season.

So: New York's Shiniest - Krang "if this doesn't work, you'll be stuck with these two forever" -> Splinter No More - attempt to open the portal without Krang's help/mutagen -> Invasion of the Punk Frogs/more mutagen - Krang "I guess you can have good ideas" -> Teenagers from Dimension X - brain drain / portal -> Catwoman - Irma meeting turtles - Krang saying Technodrome will return -> Return of the Technodrome - Irma wants to do everything with the turtles now / Technodrome Returns

I thought of a new guideline: If you have something about an episode we're not even close to yet, go ahead and say it and I'll add a way to track it at the top. Then we'll revisit those comments when we get there. So previous comments on Zipp Attack, Planet of the Turtleoids, etc. will be reflected at this time. (Guideline 1B added)

(Reminder: Check the top for upcoming episodes as well)

So, check the top list for my updates, and please feel free to make any arguments or comments.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It's on Earth in Planet of the Turtleoids. It looks like a mountain, but I think it's supposed to be the Arctic. And Krang plans to free the Technodrome using a heat ray, so that seems to go with the whole stuck in ice thing.



Well after watching Return of the Technodrome, it actually has a couple of ties to Catwoman from Channel Six, including Irma and Krang, so those are definitely tied together in continuity.

So on to the episodes:

Splinter No More -- this one has Shredder attempting to open the portal to Dimension X without using Krang's help. I think this comes before Frogs for two reasons -- first, because Splinter talks about "all sings pointing to Shredder having the Technodrome return" in the Frogs episode, and also this episode talks about mutagen like we haven't heard it in awhile, and then we see it in Frogs again.

Teenagers from Dimension X -- this one has Shredder attempting to open the portal yet again. Krang does give Shredder some new technology in this one (the mutant brain drain). I think this one comes after Krang decided Shredder's ideas are OK in Frogs.

Return of the Technodrome -- this one is the finale for the season.

So: New York's Shiniest - Krang "if this doesn't work, you'll be stuck with these two forever" -> Splinter No More - attempt to open the portal without Krang's help/mutagen -> Invasion of the Punk Frogs/more mutagen - Krang "I guess you can have good ideas" -> Teenagers from Dimension X - brain drain / portal -> Catwoman - Irma meeting turtles - Krang saying Technodrome will return -> Return of the Technodrome - Irma wants to do everything with the turtles now / Technodrome Returns

I thought of a new guideline: If you have something about an episode we're not even close to yet, go ahead and say it and I'll add a way to track it at the top. Then we'll revisit those comments when we get there. So previous comments on Zipp Attack, Planet of the Turtleoids, etc. will be reflected at this time. (Guideline 1B added)

(Reminder: Check the top for upcoming episodes as well)

So, check the top list for my updates, and please feel free to make any arguments or comments.

In later seasons, there was not so many ties between the episode.

[JoeD80]

In later seasons, there was not so many ties between the episode.

In the case where episodes don't really have connections, we'll default to the air-date, because my guess is that the air-date is fairly close. Looking at Gobo's list, you can see that later seasons would have two episodes per tape, which would air at the 9:00 and 9:30 timeslots (or whatever it was; two episodes per Saturday though) Since the company put those two episodes together, it makes sense that at least each pair was intended to air that way.

Now, on to today's episodes:

Beneath These Streets - only one spot this one can go, since it's a followup to Return of the Technodrome.

Sky Turtles - things I noticed here are that Bebop & Rocksteady are sent to Earth's surface first with some foot soldiers and they are excited to go. Shredder later follows them. When the module goes back to the Earth's Core, lava erupts and Raph and Mike burn their feet, but they aren't surprised about the lava. There are a couple of episodes that go before this one.

Turtles on Trial -- this one actually has a few things to help place it -- Krang gets moved from his android body to his bubble walker here. Bebop & Rocksteady complain about constantly having to go up and down in the modules, so I'd say this goes after Sky Turtles where they seem quite pumped to get to the surface. Also, April gives the turtles the gift of the People Masks! These show up in quite a few episodes IIRC, so this might be a good divider between the ones where they don't wear masks and the other episodes. Another key -- the Technodrome's refrigeration units aren't working, and Krang makes sure to steal a chemical that helps make it work. Although his rampage through the streets isn't successful, he does take the chemical back. So any episodes where the Technodrome is hot inside would go before this one.

Take note of the upcoming episodes, because I won't be back until Monday. I should have an update of about 9 episodes then.

Check the top for the updated list!

[gobo]

Don't forget that Donatello references "SKY TURTLES" as episode six in another episode (mentioned in your other thread). I'd call that a clue.

[JoeD80]

Don't forget that Donatello references "SKY TURTLES" as episode six in another episode (mentioned in your other thread). I'd call that a clue.

Thanks for reminding me. I hadn't put that one up there because I don't remember which episode it was, but I'll add that as "unknown" to the future list and move Sky to Episode #6.

[oldmanwinters]

Don't forget that Donatello references "SKY TURTLES" as episode six in another episode (mentioned in your other thread). I'd call that a clue.

I just figured that was a throw away gag which wasn't really meant to imply intended episode order. Still, it is funny though.;)

[JoeD80]

I just figured that was a throw away gag which wasn't really meant to imply intended episode order. Still, it is funny though.;)

Remember, we're going for as much continuity as possible, so including it as #6 makes at least one line of dialogue fit better in to the continuity (even if it is just a joke). But I haven't seen that line of dialogue yet so I'll just keep the "episode #6" reference at the top and change it back to 1-2-3 for now and we'll probably have a clearer picture of these early episodes when I return Monday with my next 9-episode block. I'll search through other clues later to see if there's a good 4-episode block to go between Sky Turtles and Beneath These Streets to fit, but for now I won't let the numbers get ahead of me.

[themaxonline]

lol. In relation to the bitten manhole cover from the Zipp Attack, numerous episodes in season 4 also refer to that particular scene so we know they all occur after the Zipp one.

I forget if I already mentioned that when I posted earlier. I saw that the Zipp episode was mentioned in the future list. I think you'll see what I mean when you see it. They will sometimes (re)introduce that they are back to the Turtles section of the episode by showing the outside of the sewers from a number of different exits. One of them is with this particular manhole cover. I guess if it's not chewed up, it came before the Zipps. If it is, it came afterward.

[JoeD80]

One of them is with this particular manhole cover. I guess if it's not chewed up, it came before the Zipps. If it is, it came afterward.

Yep, I'll keep an eye-out on that manhole cover!

Now I only managed to get three episodes in this weekend because of Star Trek opening and I had to do a lot of work on Saturday, but I will likely have the next six tomorrow.

So on to the next three:

Attack of the 50-Foot Irma - here's one where April does not seem to know what the module is yet when it shows up, and on the modules when Shredder heads back to the Technodrome, Leonardo tells the turtles to follow it. Lava then erupts and the turtles are all surprised, so this one has to go *before* Sky Turtles. Krang is also in his android body in this episode.

The Maltese Hamster - this one is not easy to place because we don't get any shots of the Technodrome and Krang isn't in the episode. If there is Krang, did I miss it? We mostly follow another gangster that Shredder has hired. However, Shredder's mission is more power for the Technodrome so I will say that goes earlier than Sky Turtles where his mission is destroying the city. Also April sees a module in this episode so likely this one goes after Irma. This one is a little tentative until I see more of the next group though. Will re-watch this one.

Cowabunga Shredhead - This one definitely follows Turtles on Trial because Michaelangelo uses one of the people masks for his disguise. Krang is in this episode and now I can't quite recall if we see him in his bubble walker as well, but he was in his android body for the most part. The module doesn't seem to have much trouble finding the correct location while in the other episodes the module usually ended up in the wrong spot.

OK, so plan six more episodes tomorrow + 1 re-watch, and as always check the top for the current updated list!

[JoeD80]

Apologies for not having updated the list this week. I had all my deadlines at work sneak up on me this week!

I did watch "The Fifth Turtle" where the Technodrome does a spinning drop through the caves after driving around a bit. I'm going to have to take a closer look at the views of the Technodrome in the previous episodes because so far the only one that seems to be different is the one in "Sky Turtles." Since the Technodrome finally gets some power in this episode, it may follow right after Turtles on Trial where the Technodrome finally receives coolant. The Turtles do use the people masks in this episode.

That's the only episode to add at this point, but I added some more episodes to expect on Monday of next week, so there will be an update of 14 episodes and then we'll be back to 3 per night. There is a little discrepancy between the air-order and rerun-order on my list for some episodes ("Beware the Lotus" and "Blast from the Past"), so I'm going to stick to the publication dates from Gobo's list while keeping the later dates in mind. Since we're re-ordering anyway, I don't think this will be much of a problem.

Check the top for the upcoming episodes!

[ToTheNines]

Don't forget that Donatello references "SKY TURTLES" as episode six in another episode (mentioned in your other thread). I'd call that a clue.

Maybe he meant Return of the Jedi :P

[themaxonline]

Just watching 'New York's Shiniest' and when April's apartment is being robbed, she says "Uwwww...! If only the Turtles were here they wouldn't do that to me." and Irma looks to the camera and says "Most people want the boys in blue. April wants the boys in green." Before this, Irma was always curious about the turtles and April would just say she met them a few times or whatever but it seems to me that at this point, Irma is more comfortable with the turtles and less curious and April is less afraid of admitting that she's actually friends with the turtles to Irma.

[JoeD80]

Just watching 'New York's Shiniest' and when April's apartment is being robbed, she says "Uwwww...! If only the Turtles were here they wouldn't do that to me." and Irma looks to the camera and says "Most people want the boys in blue. April wants the boys in green." Before this, Irma was always curious about the turtles and April would just say she met them a few times or whatever but it seems to me that at this point, Irma is more comfortable with the turtles and less curious and April is less afraid of admitting that she's actually friends with the turtles to Irma.

It's funny I had a similar analysis written in my notes! I'll have to go back to my season 2 notes to figure out why I put that episode earlier.

But now, on to the current set of episodes. I only made it to "Camera Bugged" but part of it was an organizational issue. I read through all my notes up to that point and came up with a few items to watch for and came up with some precedence rules, which took me a good 3 hours to do. The episodes actually link together quite well based on multiple rules.

So I won't bother you with all my notes (they take up about five or six pages), but here's the basics:

1. Modules - based on whether the modules are followed by the turtles or not; whether lava comes up; and the turtles reaction on seeing the module or seeing the lava.
2. Donatello's inventions, based on when he invents it to when he uses it. Here's an interesting one: That grappling hook weapon Michaelangelo starts using later is used by Donatello in some of these episodes!
3. Rats - Enter the Rat King obviously has a lot of rats, but there was another episode with a rat as well. I grouped these close together
4. Weather - several of the episodes have rain and thunder storms. I grouped these close together as well.
5. Disguises - some of the episodes the turtles use their private eye disguises without any masks, and in others they use the people masks. I pushed the people mask episodes later.
6. Hideouts - sometimes Shredder uses a hide-out instead of drilling into a random part of the city. I grouped these close together.
7. Rock Soldiers / Foot Soldiers - some episodes Krang lets Shredder use Foot Soldiers and in others they aren't involved. Also the Rock Soldiers sometimes show up in the Technodrome. The only time they've been used on the surface so far is when Krang takes them. I tried to place these where they made the most sense.
8. Cooling / Power - Some episodes deal with the Technodrome requiring coolant or power. I tried to put these in an order that made the most sense. e.g. Turtles on Trial Krang finally gets coolant. The episode Burne's Blues where Krang is trying to get coolant has to go before that since the problem is solved in "Trial".
9. Burne Thompson - There's a bit of an arc of his character where he is depressed for several episodes that he's not getting any good stories on Channel 6. These episodes were grouped close together.
10. Technodrome location - this one is harder than I thought. There are several different angles the Technodrome is shown at, but I grouped the ones that made the most sense together. Although "The Fifth Turtle" ends up at the end of the list based on this it also ended up there by other rules as well, so I think it makes sense at this point. This could change the list depending on how later episodes play out.

So, take a look at the new order (at the top of the thread) for the first 15 episodes of season 3 (remember some later episodes may still change this order)

[oldmanwinters]

Just watching 'New York's Shiniest' and when April's apartment is being robbed, she says "Uwwww...! If only the Turtles were here they wouldn't do that to me." and Irma looks to the camera and says "Most people want the boys in blue. April wants the boys in green." Before this, Irma was always curious about the turtles and April would just say she met them a few times or whatever but it seems to me that at this point, Irma is more comfortable with the turtles and less curious and April is less afraid of admitting that she's actually friends with the turtles to Irma.

I did think that was interesting that Irma just assumes the turtles' existance with a ho-hum-ness, even if she hadn't ever met them. Still, even if Shiniest preceeds Catwoman from Channel Six, Irma seems very comfortable with the turtles without having met them to call them up on April's turtle cam and not freak out. Now meeting Splinter on the other hand...

For a girl who has no inhibitions about dating a 7-foot robot, I think we have to just assume it takes a lot to freak out Irma... outside the prospect of a romantic relationship of course.:P

[Luke795]

In Elementary, My Dear Turtle and Once Upon A Time Machine someone says its the year 1991 even though they should be 1990 episodes.

[ToTheNines]

4. Weather - several of the episodes have rain and thunder storms. I grouped these close together as well.

Not to knock you, but this one is silly. They don't have a monsoon season in NYC, rainy days are just random events.

[Chris]

Just a quick question and this seemed like the best thread;

I appreciate that this thread is attempting to create a definitive episode order for the series, but I was just curious about the current orders.

As far as I'm aware there's at least 4 different orders - the official site guide, production order, air date order and DVD release order and all of them are different.

Which is the most accurate (ie has the least chronological errors) to watch the show in? And how many obvious errors (roughly) are in each order?

Thanks :D

[JoeD80]

I updated the list slightly. I have been thinking about this 1989 season, and since I haven't posted all my detailed notes for it at this point (too long to post), I think what I'll do is pull up my edited notes for the 1989 season once we reach "The Big Blowout" so that we can have an easier time discussing what makes sense and what doesn't. There is bound to be stuff I missed or things I didn't think about. Then I'll re-watch the season in the new order and hopefully we can tweak the order even more. So for now you will see updates to the list and not much from me. (I'm planning to finish this season out by Memorial Day or a little later.)

Not to knock you, but this one is silly. They don't have a monsoon season in NYC, rainy days are just random events.

Don't worry, I didn't put a great deal of emphasis into this one, they were in episodes already grouped together for other reasons. I just used it to move episodes slightly one or two spots. (It was actually so episodes grouped together didn't alternate rain, thunder, rain, thunder - I changed it to rain, rain, thunder, thunder.)

In Elementary, My Dear Turtle and Once Upon A Time Machine someone says its the year 1991 even though they should be 1990 episodes.

Thanks for that one. I didn't realize any of the episodes had specific dates mentioned in them! That is interesting since one of those is a European episode.

As far as I'm aware there's at least 4 different orders - the official site guide, production order, air date order and DVD release order and all of them are different.

Which is the most accurate (ie has the least chronological errors) to watch the show in? And how many obvious errors (roughly) are in each order?

Air-date to me seems closest, but it still has some issues (that's why I started from air-date order). The official site order works fairly well, but there are some hiccups in there (e. g. Dimension X Story is out of place; The 1992 season is quite a bit off with several episodes and Leonardo Is Missing way out of place). Production order will not work for a lot of it. The 1989 season on the official site will be more accurate than production order, but you will run into a few continuity glitches. I am not sure why the differences between the DVD and the ninjaturtles.com orders. I'd probably stick with the site over the DVD, but for the most part air-date over either of them.

Hopefully, we will end up with a good order here!

[Chris]

Thanks for that!

I have the first four seasons (picked them up last time I was in the US), so I have a bit of catching up to do! The rate I'll get to watch them (in the process of moving house) your list will probably remain ahead of me so I'll try and watch them in that order, but I'll dig out an air date list in case I get ahead.

[gobo]

I agree that airdates provide a more reliable order, but be aware that the DVD order was modeled after online resources. LG got no special list passed down from the creators.

[ToTheNines]

Ninja Sword from Nowhere should come after Turtles at the Earths Core.

In "Core" Krang talks about having cable installed in the Technodrome. In "Nowhere" he's watching the John and Marsha soap :lol:

[gobo]

I though John & Marsha was broadcast tv, like every other soap... ^_^

[JoeD80]

Ninja Sword from Nowhere should come before Turtles at the Earths Core.

In "Core" Krang talks about having cable installed in the Technodrome. In "Nowhere" he's watching the John and Marsha soap :lol:

Nice! I like this one.

I though John & Marsha was broadcast tv, like every other soap... ^_^

Well the broadcast signals aren't getting down to the Earth's core! It would have to be on cable! :D

[gobo]

Good point. You win this round, Nines. *shakes fist in the air*

[JoeD80]

Sorry for being away from the thread so long. No updates right this minute, but I will be back on Monday with at least 8 episodes, and then I should be back on track for 3 per night (just keep checking the top of the thread until we hit The Big Blow Out and then I'll post my condensed version of notes!)

[ToTheNines]

I watched through most of season 4 this past month, and I've noticed that alot of the late episodes seem to take place very early in the season.

[oldmanwinters]

1. Modules - based on whether the modules are followed by the turtles or not; whether lava comes up; and the turtles reaction on seeing the module or seeing the lava.


I'm guessing you've already noticed that "The Old Switcheroo" seems to be the first time the turtles see the Modules. Donatello calls it "some kind of subterranean transport device" after Mikey asks "what is that thing." It has to be the first time they see the familiar modules.

Also, in "April's Fool" the Turtles seem to have no idea that the modules produce an overflow of lava upon their departure. April sees it first and warns them but not before they burn their feet. I noticed you hadn't placed this episode yet, so are their any other instances that could confirm or contradict the possibility that "April's Fool" is the first time the turtles notice that the modules leave a lava trail?

EDIT: Just noticed Raph and Mikey get their feet burned by module lava in "Sky Turtles" due to standing too close to the module's hole. Not sure if the turtles just keep forgetting from episode to episode or what. :-)

[themaxonline]

I realize it's still a bit away but in watching the European episodes, it bothers me how they don't seem to fit anywhere really. Well, it seems they should go after 'Plan 6' because of the turtles wanting a Europe vacation but it seems in Dimension X, Shredder and Krang have both evolved a bit further than the earlier episodes of the non-european season 4 have. So maybe they appear later in the season?

It also bothers me how inconsistent 'Tower Of Power' and 'Rust Never Sleeps' are to each other with how everyone is in Paris and then suddenly it's like they're all meeting in Paris again for the first time in the latter.

[Chris]

I don't really remember the episodes that well (still need to get the DVDs) but is it possible they visited Paris twice? That may explain how the all met up again.

[themaxonline]

Naw, those two episodes are back-to-back.
April visits Paris twice tho...apparently.

[gobo]

The European episodes likely all take place immediately after "PLAN SIX FROM OUTER SPACE". At the end, the Turtles all win their trip to Europe from Greasy Eddy's European Pizza. At the beginning of "TOWER OF POWER", the same scene replays. Also, There are four of the Euro eps that occur in Paris, two from Italy (one of which shows April leaving her Paris apartment), three to the Brittish Isles and one is an economy trip to Holland that Splinter didn't join them on. In as much as their vacation was a prize, it's unlikely that Greasy Eddy's paid for a lot of unnecessary transits back & forth. But, one thing's for certain... These eps were meant to fit into the syndicated Season 4 (which I'm entirely sure was meant to come before any of the CBS eps). That's all I have on that subject.

[JoeD80]

Hey everyone, thanks for all the great stuff. I apologize many many times over for not showing up recently; I was caught up in a lot of deadlines at work, and as much as I wish TMNT counted as part of my work, I sadly had to push aside this project for awhile. However, it looks like my time is free again. (I know this is the 2nd time I disappeared but I will warn you if it's about to happen again!)

ToTheNines: do you mean the episodes like Dimension X Story? There is going to be some major reshuffling of season four to be sure. I expect it to be harder to organize than even season 3 is getting to be.

oldmanwinters: Hadn't viewed the April Fool episode yet; that's interesting. It was early in the production run so it may have been intended to air early. Yes, I have that note about "The Old Switcheroo" and the modules.

themaxonline: It seems like Tower of Power is supposed to follow-up Plan Six from Outer Space but I need to look at the details on that Dimension X asteroid. Maybe Donatello delayed their vacation until later in the season?

gobo: Thanks for the great information on the European episodes that you PM'd me! Again, sorry for not being around recently.

Will return Monday with update of 9 episodes!

[sdp]

Awesome, I thought you had left the project. I don't mind if it takes you a long time as long as the project continues.


I wish Krangstein still posted since he also tried to do this project once.

[oldmanwinters]

Just a note for future reference:
The Sewer Tubes seem to be introduced in "Bye, Bye, Fly." They are seen in a few others episodes, such as "The Case of the Hot Kimono" and "Pizza by the Shred."

[JoeD80]

Thanks for the note! I thought that was in one of the Fly episodes. I'm trying to keep a good list of inventions and in which episodes they're in. I'll post my condensed version of season 3 notes once I reach the end of it. I think I'll be able to watch a lot of the episodes over the July 4th holiday.

[hudemx]

I'va got a question!

When do the Vacation in Europe Episodes take place?
I think they have to take place right after the first episode of Season 4 (Plan 6...) and before the second (Turtles of the Jungle)

Well I did some Chrono work on the Season 3 Episodes, what do you think about this Listing (Sorry for the numbers and the german dubtitles - it's for the next german DVD Box Set; that's also why I left out the first few Season 3 episodes, sry):

31. NINJA SWORD OF NOWHERE, THE - SCHWERT DES UNIVERSUMS
32. 20.000 LEAKS UNDER THE CITY - FLUTKATASTROPHE, DIE
27. ENTER: THE RAT KING - KAMPF MIT DEM RATTENKÖNIG
45. SUPER ROCKSTEADY AND MIGHTY BEBOP - GEHIRNVERDREHER, DER
30. ATTACK OF THE BIG MACC - ELEKTRONISCHE KÄMPFER, DER
38. CAMERA BUGGED - EINGEFANGEN
34. FOUR MUSKETURTLES - VIER MUSKETIERE, DIE
28. TURTLES AT THE EARTH'S CORE - IM REICH DER SAURIER
26. FIFTH TURTLE, THE - TURTLE FAN, DER
36. COWABUNGA SHREDHEAD - ORIGINAL ODER FÄLSCHUNG
33. TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER - FÜHRUNGSKRISE, DIE
46. BEWARE THE LOTUS - RIVALIN DES SHREDDERS, DIE
47. BLAST FROM THE PAST - GEIST RUFT, DER
41. CASEY JONES, OUTLAW HERO - VOLLSTRECKER, DER
57. MISSING MAP, THE - GEHEIMVERSTECK, DAS
29. APRIFL FOOLISH - JUWEL DER KRONE, DAS
35. TURTLES, TURTLES, EVERYWHERE - TURTLEJAGD, DIE
37. INVASION OF THE TURTLE SNATCHERS - BESUCH DES UFOS, DER
39. GREEN WITH JEALOUSY - VERLIEBTE JUNGS
40. RETURN OF THE FLY, THE - RACHEFLIEGE, DIE
42. MUTAGEN MONSER, THE - ICH GLAUB' MICH TRITT EIN STIER
43. CORPORATE RAIDERS FROM DIMENSION X - UNTERNEHMERGEIST
48. LEATHERHEAD: TERROR OF THE SWAMP - HEIßES PFLASTER FLORIDA
49. MICHELANGELO'S BIRTHDAY - GEBURTSTAGSSCHRECK, DER
50. USAGI YOJIMBO - SAMURAI HASE, DER
52. USAGI, COME HOME - FALSCHER HASE
53. MAKING OF METALHEAD, THE - METALLKOPF KOMMT
54. LEATHERHEAD MEETS THE RAT KING - KROKODIL IN NEW YORK, DAS
56. GREAT BOLDINI, THE - TORTELLINISMARAGD, DER
55. TURTLE TERMINATOR, THE - IRMA - VERNICHTEND DUMM
58. GANG'S ALL HERE, THE - SHREDDER KEKSE
59. GRYBYX, THE - GRYBYX, DER
60. MISTER OGG GOES TO TOWN - SPAßVOGEL, DER
61. SHREDDERVILLE - UNGLAUBLICHES ABENTEUER, EIN
62. BYE-BYE FLY - UNHEIMLICHE TEMPEL
51. CASE OF THE HOT KIMONO, THE - SUPERTANTE, DIE
44. PIZZA BY THE SHRED - PIZZAFALLE, DIE
63. BIG RIPOFF, THE - DUNKLE ZEITEN
64. BIG BREAK-IN, THE - EROBERUNG DER WELT, DIE - TEIL 1
65. BIG BLOW OUT, THE - EROBERUNG DER WELT, DIE - TEIL 2

[JoeD80]

I'va got a question!

When do the Vacation in Europe Episodes take place?
I think they have to take place right after the first episode of Season 4 (Plan 6...) and before the second (Turtles of the Jungle)

That looks to be the most likely (right after Plan Six) because there's a scene that appears in that episode and "Tower of Power", but the hard part will be sorting through the syndicated and network episodes and placing them in order. I haven't started those episodes yet though, since I am making my final notes on season 3 still (will be done over the weekend I think; by Wednesday at the latest).

Well I did some Chrono work on the Season 3 Episodes, what do you think about this Listing

Hey that list is pretty cool, and is matching some of my notes. I'll post my final season 3 list next week and we can figure out if there's any episodes that seem out of place in either list.

[oldmanwinters]

I'va got a question!

When do the Vacation in Europe Episodes take place?
I think they have to take place right after the first episode of Season 4 (Plan 6...) and before the second (Turtles of the Jungle)


After watching the first 6 episodes of the Vacation Season, I'm starting to think a true chronology might be impossible. You've got April, Vernon, Irma appearing in and out of Europe like they've never been there before. You've got two episodes dealing with the Eiffle Tower where no one seems to remember the other event. All in all, I can't wait to see what you do with it.:D

[sdp]

BTW here is an older thread that dealt with the episode order of the OT
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=18031

It might help you out.

[hudemx]

I made an List of the Vacatation episodes that might make sense:

67. (143.) TOWER OF POWER - DER TURTLESTURM AUF DEN EIFELTURM (Starts where "Plan 6..." ends)
68. (152.) TURTLES ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS - SCHRECKENSFAHRT DES ORIENT EXPRESS, DIE (Turtles take the train from Paris to Bukarest)
69. (151.) LOST QUEEN OF ATLANTIS, THE - KÖNIGIN VON ATLANTIS, DIE (Prior to this episodes the Turtles travelfrom Romania to Greece)
70. (147.) ART LESS - DIEBE AUS DEM ALL (Prior to this Episode the Turtles drive from Greece to Italy)
71. (146.) VENICE ON THE HALF SHELL - CHAOS IN VENEDIG (Still taking Place in Italy)
72. (145.) REAL SNOW JOB - VIER TURTLES IM SCHNEE (Turtles are now in Austria - Naghboorland of Italy)
73. (144.) RUST NEVER SLEEPS - ROSTKANOONE, DIE (Turtles are back in France, they get through Paris in order to drive to Lisbon)
74. (148.) RING OF FIRE - FEUERSTRAHL, DER (Turtles are Lisbon)
75. (149.) IRISH JIG IS UP, THE - STRAHLENBOGEN, DER (Prior to this Episode the Turtles ship from Portugal to Ireland)
76. (150.) SHREDDER'S NEW SWORD – SAGENHAFT (Turtles are on the british Islands)
77. (155.) ELEMENTARY, MY DEAR TURTLES - ZEITWIRBEL, DER (Turtles are still in London)
78. (153.) APRIL GETS IN DUTCH - DIAMANTENRÄUBER, DIE (Prior to this Episodes the Turtle ship from Britain to Amsterdam)
79. (154.) NORTHERN LIGHTS OUT - LETZTEN WIKINGER, DIE (geografical last possible Place to get in Europe)


This Episode Order would make more Sense than the broadcast Version, its ordert in a chronological an geografical sense.
The Turtles first approach Paris, there thy meet April, after that they get into the Orient Express and travel from Paris to Bukarest.
Then they get to Greece, after Greexe they get to Italy for 2 Episodes. Right after that they drive to Austria. Their next Aim is Lisbon, but in Order to get there, they have to get throug Paris again - thats why April is so surpised when she meets the Turtles there again.
After Lisbon they ship to the Republic of Ireland, and travel to Londo for two Episodes.
Then they get to Amsterdam and in the End they Head for the Netherlands.

What do You think about this Order?

[ToTheNines]

Are you gonna kick out one of the Atlantis episodes? They can't both be canon.

[gobo]

What do You think about this Order?
Regarding the fact that you took a geographical approach, I think "great minds think alike". ^_^ However, April leaves her Paris apartment to go to Italy, And, in as much as this vacation was a prize and the ship that brought them oversea was a floating bucket, it's safe to assume that Greasy Eddy's European Pizza wouldn't swing for a bunch of unnecessary trips back and forth. But, I do like that idea why April and Shredder would be surprised that the Turtles were in Paris. That's genius. :)

[gobo]

Are you gonna kick out one of the Atlantis episodes? They can't both be canon.
While they do give to very different sides of the story, can you give some specifics as to why they contradict each other? If we were to relieve the ep order of one Atlantis ep, we'd have to get rid of that one ep with the flashback of Krangezoid brains in bubble walkers. As far as we know, it's just hard to believe. But, it's still a glaring oversight. I could patch that plot-hole myself if I had to...

[hudemx]

Regarding the fact that you took a geographical approach, I think "great minds think alike". ^_^ However, April leaves her Paris apartment to go to Italy, And, in as much as this vacation was a prize and the ship that brought them oversea was a floating bucket, it's safe to assume that Greasy Eddy's European Pizza wouldn't swing for a bunch of unnecessary trips back and forth.
How about this one:

The Turtles leave France with the Orient Express but instead going to Greece they go to Venice. Meanwhile April went back to Paris, because she had all her Stuff there.
So that would Place VENICE ON THE HALF SHELL right after TURTLES ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS.
The Turtles went to Greece after they went to Austria, in Greece they ship to France, drive through Paris again to get to Lisbon and so on...

What do you think about this one?

But, I do like that idea why April and Shredder would be surprised that the Turtles were in Paris. That's genius. :)
Thanks :D

[gobo]

What do you think about this one?
Sounds great. ^_^

[sdp]

Haven't watched the episodes, but not all the European vacation episodes have to happen continuously. Maybe the second Paris episode was later in the series which explains why they'd be surprised also. Doing this might also explain some plot holes that are in the episodes.

I'm not very good at looking for details to place stuff in continuity order, however I am pretty good at trying to explain plot holes. So as soon as I see the two Atlantis episodes that contradict each other I'm sure I can come up with a logical explanation. Same thing about the Krang species without bodies, I first need to watch the episode with krang's species with bodies to be able to come off with an explanation.

[hudemx]

there's also something that bucks me!

105. TURTLES AND THE HARE
106. ONCE UPON A TIME MACHINE

Those two episodes shouldn't be part of the fifth season! They should be part of Season 4.
* The Theme Song is still played with the Season 1 to early Season 4 Animation and not with the second Version
* The Technodrome still in Dimension X and not surrounded by Lava
* The Animation is like most of the Season 4 Episodes (horrible)

However:
In Once upon a Timemachine Donatello mentions the Year 1991, which was the Year Season 5 was airing...

[gobo]

Haven't watched the episodes, but not all the European vacation episodes have to happen continuously.
I came to the same conclusion. Since The Netherlands ep is the only one that was evidently not on the Tour schedule, I'm guessing that could have happened later in the series.

I am pretty good at trying to explain plot holes.
Me too. Like, I think the Krangezoid brains in bubble walkers can be explained as Krang's co-conspirators being given the same punishment, except Krang was later banished to Earth for leading the others in a revolt or something. So, why don't we ever see the others? Because the continuity of this cartoon series was weak and they should have hired me as a writer despite the fact I was too young to work. :tgrumble: As for Atlantis, the surface-dwelling Atlantean cult obviously didn't know there were underwater residents of Atlantis because Merdude's origin hadn't been thought up yet so he could set them all straight. :P
there's also something that bucks me!
No comment... ^_^
The Theme Song is still played with the Season 1 to early Season 4 Animation and not with the second Version
That's because CBS didn't want to wait for Group W to finish airing all of their syndicated package. So, the first intro indicates Group W (80 syndicated and 13 'European Cruise' eps that premiered on cable, making them technically not 'syndicated') and the second and third are for the CBS bunch (99 eps... or 100 if you insist on counting "PLANET OF THE TURTLEOIDS" as two).
In Once upon a Timemachine Donatello mentions the Year 1991, which was the Year Season 5 was airing...
They mention 1991 in a couple Euro eps as well (even though they weren't copyrighted and ready for air until late 1992). Maybe this (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=705843#post705843) will help you with placing the Euro eps...

[ToTheNines]

Me too. Like, I think the Krangezoid brains in bubble walkers can be explained as Krang's co-conspirators being given the same punishment, except Krang was later banished to Earth for leading the others in a revolt or something. So, why don't we ever see the others? Because the continuity of this cartoon series was weak and they should have hired me as a writer despite the fact I was too young to work. :tgrumble: As for Atlantis, the surface-dwelling Atlantean cult obviously didn't know there were underwater residents of Atlantis because Merdude's origin hadn't been thought up yet so he could set them all straight.

You actually are my go-to guy when it comes to wild explanations of sketchy writing :lol:

I'll give you ten bucks if you hook me up here: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=27788

[JoeD80]

Looks like you guys are ahead of me. I'll be updating that third season list shortly and I'll dive right into the European episodes next before heading to Plan Six etc. so I can catch up to the notes here. I like the notes above. Maybe they start in France and end in France and just make a circle trip?

[ToTheNines]

I'd just like to point out that the Euro episodes don't have to take place immediately after Plan 6. While they probably do, the trip might have started a little bit after they won the contest.

So just keep your eyes peeled for any clues about this.

[Chris]

Any idea when the list might next be updated?

I really love the idea of a proper viewing order, but could never work it out myself as I'm not familiar enough with all the episodes!

[JoeD80]

JoeD is up to his eyeballs in other work! Later today I will put new expected updates in that should be much more accurate. Don't worry, I am still working on this project.

[Chris]

Completely understand, no rush!

Keep up the good work.

[JoeD80]

Hello, I have returned. Heavy work-load, medical issues that needed to be attended to (and everything is fine at this point, so no worries!) However, I can now devote a lot more time to this. I've updated the expected dates to the end of the sixth season so keep your eyes open! (Oh, and vacation was great, BTW)

[hudemx]

Any new Infos on the Project?

[JoeD80]

I really am not as good at balancing all my projects as I thought I would be. My life is more of a mess than anticipated (not bad, but a mess nonetheless!) I've updated the dates to a manageable chunk for me, and hopefully it will actually be done a lot faster, but know that this will be the *latest* for each season!

[gobo]

I've updated the dates to a manageable chunk for me, and hopefully it will actually be done a lot faster, but know that this will be the *latest* for each season!
I don't follow... on this sentence, specifically.

[ToTheNines]

He edited the first post of this thread, and it now has a time-table for when he thinks he'll be done with each season.

[JoeD80]

Exactly. Here, from the latest front page:

X. Season 3 (2/1)
X. Season 4 Syndicated (2/18 )
X. European (3/1)
X. CBS Season 1 (3/15)
X. CBS Season 2 (3/26)

Now I will probably have everything done by the end of February honestly, but I'm giving myself some extra time.

[sdp]

I think this project is awesome, keep up the good work.

[JoeD80]

Thanks! There should be some actual updates coming up next week.

[ToTheNines]

Got any updates?

[JoeD80]

I was out with the Zombie Flu of Death. I seem to have recovered now, but still have a bit of coughing. Get your flu shots! Not a fun sickness (not that any sickness is fun, but flu just zaps all the energy away and it lingers on and on even after the fever stops). I do have lots of notes to organize and share which I will hopefully have arranged over the coming week and we can finally get this project back on track.

[ToTheNines]

I just now realized you posted lol. That's cool that you're better, lookin forward to seein what updates you got.

[TeenageMutantNinjaHumans]

Great project! I will keep my eye on this one.

How is this list ordered ? by airdate ?
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=472977

[Luzmagica]

OOps.... a cuestion please....I found/have my TMNT OT cartoons chapters by the "Wikipedia OT List of Chapters"...Is it very different from this current list??? and much more important...Had I lost any chapter of OT???? :-?

[Luzmagica]

BUMP!!! :twink: ....still needing answer about previous cuestion.....:twink:

[gobo]

I'd gladly answer... if I could figure out what the question was. :tconfuse:

[Luzmagica]

Doh! :lol: ...I mean... Is the OT-list from Wikipedia Absolutely complete???? or maybe there are chapters/titles that not are in that list?

[gobo]

If they have all 191 episodes and the hour-long primetime special listed, it's complete. This one is incomplete so far because the point is to get as many context clues as possible to decide the best order to watch them in and we still have a long way to go.

[Luzmagica]

Thanks a lot Gobo ...!!! I will check my 191 chapters!!!
Just another cuestion...dude...! What are exactly the hour-long primetime special??

[ToTheNines]

Planet of the Turtleoids.

[sdp]

What about the R2 releases of the TMNT DVDs that claim to have the correct episode order, is it true?

[gobo]

I doubt it. I've been told that their list comes directly from Lionsgate, but unless Fred Wolf Studios would verify it, I'd assume it's just someone's educated guess. Heck, even IF Wolf confirmed it, I'd still wonder if they even bothered to look it up in their records.

[JoeD80]

I'd love to get a hold of the Writer's bible. They usually mark down which episodes go where. The problem is the syndicator likes to make their own numbers and tend not to follow any intended order, and if episodes get drawn out of order you can see a wildly diverging production quality between episodes that were meant to air next to each other. X-Men had to get a special deal in place to make sure the first 13 were aired as intended since it was one long story arc. As it is, I did actually start watching the beginning of season three again, but started from script number order (the 9059-001, 9059-002 numbers) and am comparing it to my notes again. I still have all my old notes on season three, but hopefully I can make new notes and start sharing exactly what I have and see what people think. Since my schedule is so busy lately, I am going to stick to 1 or 2 episodes per night, but starting Wednesday night expect to see my comments on season 3 start up again and please join in and we'll get this project back together.

[JoeD80]

So, April Fool seems like it can go pretty early. Why? The turtles appear to have no idea what's happening when the module causes a slight earthquake, and they don't see the module leave either, just the hole. So I don't think they know what the module is at this point, which would place it before The Old Switcheroo when they first see one. Episode 3 & 4 (Sky Turtles and Cowabunga Shredhead by Gobo's LOC list) later tonight (there will be some repeats here).

[oldmanwinters]

So, April Fool seems like it can go pretty early. Why? The turtles appear to have no idea what's happening when the module causes a slight earthquake, and they don't see the module leave either, just the hole. So I don't think they know what the module is at this point, which would place it before The Old Switcheroo when they first see one. Episode 3 & 4 (Sky Turtles and Cowabunga Shredhead by Gobo's LOC list) later tonight (there will be some repeats here).

Hmm, interesting point! I never even noticed that. I wonder if Shredder's original intent at the end of April Fool was to take April all the way back to the Technodrome if she hadn't got away? That sure would have confused the Turtles since they had no clue about the modules at that point!

[gobo]

Hooray for Joe's return to the project! Now, I won't have to finish it all myself. ^_^

[JoeD80]

Four more episodes done and should be two more tomorrow. Late night, so will post in the morning.

[JoeD80]

Haven't had time to post for a bit, but I've gotten farther, around episode 10 in season 3 now. I'll have some free time to be able to post some notes tonight.

[sdp]

As long as you keep up the project its all good :D

[JoeD80]

I'm just finding it hard to find time to post my notes because I have so many!! I'm getting my watching in pretty steadily though, so I'm at about 15 in now. I will hopefully post some more notes on Tuesday, at least for five episodes, and then catch my notes up to my watching by the weekend.

[JoeD80]

Is anyone interested in a resumption of this project? A short explanation from me and some stuff about my personal life that you may not care about but it does tie in. I've been in about a five-year relationship with a wonderful woman, and at this point we are good friends but over the past few weeks have decided to end the relationship. In our discussions, we asked ourselves the last time we were happy as a couple, and we both came up with summer 2009, and you may notice that was about the last time I did a lot with this project (sure there were a couple of updates here and there, but nothing like it had been). I think the two of us both ended up sacrificing our own personalities in an attempt to hang on and this is one of my hobbies that became lost in the shuffle. I still love the TMNT, and the old cartoon, and still have all the DVDs and episodes waiting to be reviewed and organized. I will have much more time to devote now, since our lives are now in a much happier place, and I hope everyone here is still interested in reading what I have to write. I'm going to put in the DVDs this weekend, try to remember where I was at, and start popping up much more frequently around here.

[Vegita-San]

too many contradictions. examples of continuity and muck ups...
-Some things are continuous... The Portable Portal introduced in the 'lost' season. Resurfaces in 1991 CBS episodes 'Landlord' and 'MuckMan'.
-Holographic Cloaking Machine introduced in 'lost' episode 'Plan Six'. returns in 1992's 'Missing'.

Muck ups:
-Retro Mutagen Laser from Baxters Space Ship gets destroyed one season, brought back the next with a totally different design.
-Technodrome blasted by rocket into dimension x. Lands on giant metal planet. Next episode on volcanic island.
-A few episodes in, turtles have been dealing with the transport module and lava outburst. 'April Fools', it seems totally new to 'em. Same for '50ft Irma'

It's possible, but you'd have to stretch it a little.... I used to organize my episode time line by animation style.
1987-1988 are easy. For 1989, . All the 'Better' animated episodes grouped. The ones with a slower pace 'Attack of the Big Mack', 'The Gang's All Here' put first, faster paced 'LeatherHead Terror of the Swamps', 'Making of Metal Head' put later. All the 'cheaper' looking episodes grouped in the middle. And by cheaper I mean Michelangelo's Birthday, Turtle Terminator..etc

After Plan Six, I put in the 'Lost' European Season. Then the 'lost' 1991 season. 'Turtles and a Hair', 'Planet of the Turtles'. Then the CBS 1990 Season. Then 1991 on out.

If that makes any sense.... If Nick ever needed a continuity expert..I'm dripping in it...

[JoeD80]

Yeah, my idea is to "stretch it a little" and put episodes where they make more sense even if they weren't necessarily going to be that way originally.

[gobo]

Is anyone interested in a resumption of this project?
Most soitanly! ^_^
[girl troubles]
Sucky... :(

[pferreira]

I don't know if this has been asked but has anyone managed to place the episode that Donatello refers about wishing he had the anti gravity boots from that previous episode. The reference doesn't make continuity sense as it is.

[gobo]

Perhaps he meant s03e[etc]. That's the only way it could possibly make sense.

[Icebot]

I don't know if this has been asked but has anyone managed to place the episode that Donatello refers about wishing he had the anti gravity boots from that previous episode. The reference doesn't make continuity sense as it is.

That's Enter The Rat King when they climbed the Channel 6 building. I assume the episode he was talking about was Sky Turtles since that was the only episode that had the antigravity boots. But that was episode 4 or 5 of season 3, not 6.

[ToTheNines]

We doin this or what?

[JoeD80]

The reference doesn't make continuity sense as it is.
Perhaps he meant s03e[etc].
I figured he meant episode 6 of season 3...although now I have Sky Turtles as episode 7. Hm....
But that was episode 4 or 5 of season 3, not 6.
Yeah but April Fool and Old Switcheroo are definitely way out of order.
We doin this or what?
Yes! Was busy writing (done last week) and barely had time to grab a sandwich let alone watch TMNT. Nothing tonight, but new updates ready for tomorrow.

[Redeemer]

Interesting thread to say the least...

[sdp]

Thank you Krang.

BTW, to the others that posted information on stuff like The Fifth Turtle, The Big Zipp attack, etc. I have all your messages saved with responses for when I get to those episodes, so don't think I've ignored it!

Now on to the current three episodes:

Curse of the Evil Eye: This seems to be placed in the only place it can, at the end of all the eye episodes. So The Incredible Shrinking Turtles & It Came from Beneath the Sewers both involve the first fragment since Baxter misplaces it; The Mean Machines covers the 2nd, and Curse covers the 3rd. Baxter becomes progressively more agitated by Shredder, which leads me to my first real question of these early episodes ---

Case of the Killer Pizzas -- in this episode, Baxter is still fairly obsequious and I've always wondered if this made more sense *before* the episodes involving the Eye. Krang does help Shredder a little bit in this episode though, so maybe he wasn't willing to do that until Shredder went through the adventures with the Eye. The main thought I had is that Shredder wouldn't be as willing to accept Baxter's help after the whole trying to steal the eye for himself thing. So I'd be interested if anyone else had similar thoughts about this episode or if it's just me.

Enter: the Fly -- the end of Baxter and Bebop & Rocksteady return from Dimension X. This one only has one spot to go in since all the episodes without Baxter have Bebop & Rocksteady on Earth.

Check the top list for my updates.

That's the beauty of this thread; it's time for the revolution! Remember, we are going for as much continuity as possible, so if it makes more sense in that order, we should put it in that way, but also remember, everyone is allowed to make comments on episodes already placed if they don't agree with its position. I want to hear some good arguments from other people rather than just listening to the voices in my head! Meanwhile, I count that as two votes for moving this one so I will.

Now on to the next three episodes:

-Invasion of the Punk Frogs -- Splinter makes an interesting comment in this episode -- that "all indications are that Shredder plans to get the Technodrome back from Dimension X." Yet there hadn't been any indication of this yet. I believe there are some other episodes coming up where Shredder does try to open a portal to Dimension X, so I would think those would go before this episode.

-The Catwoman from Channel Six -- The big bit here is that Irma finally meets the Turtles, so any episodes where she still is wondering about April and the turtles has to go before this episode. It was kind of fun to watch this right after Fly and Frogs -- Shredder tries to train another mutant to go after the turtles in all 3 episodes (Fly, Frogs, Cat)!

-New York's Shiniest -- I noticed in this episode that Irma never does visit the turtles here. This one has a very interesting event -- the Turtles crash the Turtle Van off the bridge -- and then Splinter & April leave the sewers in the Turtle Van! Interestingly in this episode Krang says he's not going to help Shredder any more if he messes this one up. Since he gets a matter transporter from Krang in Catwoman, perhaps this one does go after. Irma doesn't ever show up in the sewers though, although she doesn't make her usual comment here about April always talking about the turtles.

As always, check the top of the thread.

It's on Earth in Planet of the Turtleoids. It looks like a mountain, but I think it's supposed to be the Arctic. And Krang plans to free the Technodrome using a heat ray, so that seems to go with the whole stuck in ice thing.



Well after watching Return of the Technodrome, it actually has a couple of ties to Catwoman from Channel Six, including Irma and Krang, so those are definitely tied together in continuity.

So on to the episodes:

Splinter No More -- this one has Shredder attempting to open the portal to Dimension X without using Krang's help. I think this comes before Frogs for two reasons -- first, because Splinter talks about "all sings pointing to Shredder having the Technodrome return" in the Frogs episode, and also this episode talks about mutagen like we haven't heard it in awhile, and then we see it in Frogs again.

Teenagers from Dimension X -- this one has Shredder attempting to open the portal yet again. Krang does give Shredder some new technology in this one (the mutant brain drain). I think this one comes after Krang decided Shredder's ideas are OK in Frogs.

Return of the Technodrome -- this one is the finale for the season.

So: New York's Shiniest - Krang "if this doesn't work, you'll be stuck with these two forever" -> Splinter No More - attempt to open the portal without Krang's help/mutagen -> Invasion of the Punk Frogs/more mutagen - Krang "I guess you can have good ideas" -> Teenagers from Dimension X - brain drain / portal -> Catwoman - Irma meeting turtles - Krang saying Technodrome will return -> Return of the Technodrome - Irma wants to do everything with the turtles now / Technodrome Returns

I thought of a new guideline: If you have something about an episode we're not even close to yet, go ahead and say it and I'll add a way to track it at the top. Then we'll revisit those comments when we get there. So previous comments on Zipp Attack, Planet of the Turtleoids, etc. will be reflected at this time. (Guideline 1B added)

(Reminder: Check the top for upcoming episodes as well)

So, check the top list for my updates, and please feel free to make any arguments or comments.


Just a few quick tidbits while watching Season 2, I'm not too convinced curse of the killer Pizza's takes place before the eye of sarnath saga. First of all the first comment from Krang that he hasn't been able to defeat the Turtles implies that Shredder has been doing this for a while, the turtles also seem to be aware that Shredder is always up to no good. To me these things imply that a few adventures happened after Return of the Shredder, sure it's not necessarily explicit that more happened but it'd make more sense. Also I think while Baxter does become more deviant in the eye of sarnath saga, he is fairly obsequious in Enter the Fly before he is transformed into a fly so that means the relation between Shredder/Baxter went back to status quo. The fact that the comic TMNT Adventures adapted Eye of Sarnath after return of the shredder might be another hint that it's the correct order.

Also the comment about Splinter mentioning that Shredder seems to plan to get the technodrome back from dimension x doesn't necessarily mean other episodes took place before it since none of the episodes you put before it would make Splinter make that deduction, that is just a bad line and out of nowhere since nothing implies that is what Shredder is doing, in fact it is not ever mentioned on the villains side.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Just a few quick tidbits while watching Season 2, I'm not too convinced curse of the killer Pizza's takes place before the eye of sarnath saga. First of all the first comment from Krang that he hasn't been able to defeat the Turtles implies that Shredder has been doing this for a while, the turtles also seem to be aware that Shredder is always up to no good. To me these things imply that a few adventures happened after Return of the Shredder, sure it's not necessarily explicit that more happened but it'd make more sense. Also I think while Baxter does become more deviant in the eye of sarnath saga, he is fairly obsequious in Enter the Fly before he is transformed into a fly so that means the relation between Shredder/Baxter went back to status quo. The fact that the comic TMNT Adventures adapted Eye of Sarnath after return of the shredder might be another hint that it's the correct order.

Case of the Killer Pizza's works better after the Sarnath saga to me even if Baxter is working with shredder there despite his betrayal in the Sarnath saga.
I mean at the start of the episode "Enter the fly" Shredder and Baxter are also working together plotting something on the WTC towers. I don't find it weird Shredder rehires Baxter after his betrayal. If it bothers you maybe you could picture Baxter helped Shredder escape after the eye exploded in "curse of the evil eye". The TMNT mention Shredder dissappeared but they don't explain how.

Also the comment about Splinter mentioning that Shredder seems to plan to get the technodrome back from dimension x doesn't necessarily mean other episodes took place before it since none of the episodes you put before it would make Splinter make that deduction, that is just a bad line and out of nowhere since nothing implies that is what Shredder is doing, in fact it is not ever mentioned on the villains side.

Wrong! In "Splinter No More" Shredder opens a portal to another dimension using a magic spell and Splinter witnesses this. This is more then enough reason to have Splinter make this deduction.

[pannoni1]

Showing how someone put Case of the Hot Kimono as one of the last episodes given there are sewer tubes, it very well could be the episode immediately before "the big" trilogy. Shredder tells Bebop and Rocksteady to find an energy source to repower the Technodrome to the surface, plus April gives a report about some scientific energy at Acme labs, which very well may be affiliated with the Fort Charles factory in the Big Rip-Off. They escape, but probably get April's report and take advantage of it pretty quickly. In a "later" episode Mister Ogg Goes to Town, while Shredder and Krang say they can find a way to repower the Technodrome with unlimited energy, they depend on Dimension Z, which was not close to the proper solution to repower the Technodrome. Case of the Hot Kimono is not the episode where the Sewer Tubes are said to be one of Donatello's latest inventions. That occured in Bye, Bye Fly would thus be the sixth-to-last Season 3 episode (Pizza by the Shred is fifth-to-last based on the Sewer Tubes as mentioned) as Krang says that finding power from another Dimension to refuel the Technodome, as in the Grybyx and wouldn't be possible, meaning that some energy on earth would have to do. The warp drive was possible, but it failed and isn't as related to the energy sources in Kimono and the Big Rip-Off.

[MikeandRaph87]

I was under the impression that while the European Vacation episodes that are apart of the amazing season 7 take place right after season 4's open "Plan Six From Outer Space" all episodes happened in the order as listed in the episode guide. "The Case of The Hot Kimono" would have to take place as it is listed becuase it takes place before "The Great Boldini" instead of before The Big Trilogy.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Showing how someone put Case of the Hot Kimono as one of the last episodes given there are sewer tubes, it very well could be the episode immediately before "the big" trilogy. Shredder tells Bebop and Rocksteady to find an energy source to repower the Technodrome to the surface, plus April gives a report about some scientific energy at Acme labs, which very well may be affiliated with the Fort Charles factory in the Big Rip-Off. They escape, but probably get April's report and take advantage of it pretty quickly. In a "later" episode Mister Ogg Goes to Town, while Shredder and Krang say they can find a way to repower the Technodrome with unlimited energy, they depend on Dimension Z, which was not close to the proper solution to repower the Technodrome. Case of the Hot Kimono is not the episode where the Sewer Tubes are said to be one of Donatello's latest inventions. That occured in Bye, Bye Fly would thus be the sixth-to-last Season 3 episode (Pizza by the Shred is fifth-to-last based on the Sewer Tubes as mentioned) as Krang says that finding power from another Dimension to refuel the Technodome, as in the Grybyx and wouldn't be possible, meaning that some energy on earth would have to do. The warp drive was possible, but it failed and isn't as related to the energy sources in Kimono and the Big Rip-Off.

You see you can't do that because Turtelli also shows up in "the big boldini" which should come before the big trilogy. Then again you can have "the big boldini" take place before the big trilogy.

[pferreira]

I wish we could continue this. A good start was made.

[Samurai]

Here's an episode continuity list worth looking at:

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2016/01/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1987.html

[sdp]

reviving this topic to continue this project to finally have a 100% correct episode order

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=36558
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=27121

[oldmanwinters]

reviving this topic to continue this project to finally have a 100% correct episode order

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=36558
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=27121

100% ?!? Eh...

[ToTheNines]

reviving this topic to continue this project to finally have a 100% correct episode order

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=36558
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=27121

Spengler’s list on TMNTentity is pretty good. I would still make a few tweaks. Specifically there’s several references to Krang having/not cable TV installed in the Technodrome throughout season 3 lol.

[neatoman]

I don't feel like combing through this old thread, do any of these account for major contradictions like the status of Baxter Stockman's interdimensional adventures?

[ToTheNines]

No, it’s just one of those things like the two Atlantis episodes, the two Paris episodes, etc.

You can either watch it all and accept that it doesn’t make sense, or choose to skip some stuff to eliminate the errors.

What was the main contradiction there? Landlord of the Flies?

[neatoman]

What was the main contradiction there? Landlord of the Flies?

Yes. In pretty much all other episodes he's stuck in another dimension, escapes and end up in another dimension again by the end of it. That episode just depicts him being free with no explanation. It should also be noted that the next episode to feature him, Revenge of the Fly, is clearly written to be a direct sequel to Son of Return of the Fly II, the episode before Landlord of the Flies. So either it's non-canon or takes place afterwards with a missing explanation for how he escaped.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah I think if you were gonna make a streamlined watch order that trimmed any fat, that episode would just have to go.

But I remember that being a decent enough episode. So I personally don’t skip it and accept that kind of stuff is just par for the course.