Anti-TMNT books from Phil Phillips and Joan Hake Robie

[Jester]

http://gogreenmachine.wordpress.com/2009/05/30/book-review-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-exposed-w-saturday-morning-mind-control/

Enjoy kiddies.

[Newton Gimmick]

There's a huge amount of this kind of stuff out there. Usually passed off by religious zealots who are terrified that folks might find more valuable lessons in make believe comics and TV as opposed to hundred year old make believe books.

If you thought that was enjoyable, check out this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVGMwcOjL4

Which predated TMNT, but is the same sort of hogwash. There's four parts to enjoy.

There's also some of those hilarious anti-D&D comics out there where they show kids learning black magic and casting spells... From a game.

[Jester]

Watched them, if they are what I think they are. They star (for lack of a better trem) the author of Saturday Morning Mind Control, Phil Phillips.

[Lordmylar06]

Deluded overprotective Christian parenting at it's worst.

[Jester]

Glad my parents weren't this anal. :D

[Lordmylar06]

You and me both Jester. I was raised by my grandparents, and they were good people. Not too religious, just good moral people. They never would have stopped me from reading the TMNT archie series, or watching the cartoon. They knew better than what this nutjob is saying. I think there's a special place in the Inferno for people who say this sort of thing.

[Kendamu]

I had a cousin who had gotten a bunch'a TMNT stuff for Christmas once, but wasn't allowed to take it home (we were at my Grandparents' house) because his parents thought the TMNT to be evil and all that junk.

My Mom was just the opposite. She bought me my first figure before I knew what they were!

[Machias Banshee]

Most people don't read into this kind of hysteria, thankfully. And I don't think they could really put it on 2k3 anyways, considering how much they emphasized on family and stuff...

My parents had no problem with me watching this show... unless there was a new episode of Martha Stewart showing at the same time on ABC... :tgrumble:

[Buslady]

Thanks for the laughs, loved it!

[Cipher]

There's an absurd amount of this stuff out there for Pokemon as well.

Of course, once things like Turtles and Pokemon cease to be fads, the zealots instantly stop caring. Despite the fact that both continue to be largely (or in Pokemon's case, enormously) successful properties. Oh well.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Fanatic Christians always blame something new in popular culture for the devil:

In the 1920's, 30's and 40's, jazz was the devil's music.
In the 1950's and 60's, pop and rock was the devil's music.
In the 1980's and 90's, hard rock and heavy metal was the devil's music, and TMNT the devil's comics.

Before the 1970's, even a lot of other things, like cinema, partner dance was the devil's work among these fanatic Christians.

[Scandia]

Talk about being too rigidly strict!

I may practice a particular religion and have certain morals. I may not agree with everything in the Turtles' universes.

But to say they are completely evil like that? That they are demonic and trying to steer kids to the dark side? I think not.

But then, I have seen similar things said about Captain Planet, which is a show all about protecting the environment. It said it had "pagan" influences and thus was "not Christian". Never mind all the good messages in that show- one little pagan allusion was enough to kill it in the mind of some people.

[gobo]

But then, I have seen similar things said about Captain Planet, which is a show all about protecting the environment. It said it had "pagan" influences and thus was "not Christian".
Well, that's just pointing out the obvious. Did they call it the devil's handiwork or just... not christian? In as much as Gaia was a Greek goddess, it obviously wasn't designed as christian entertainment. But, to deny a story's merits based on that fact is a different thing entirely. Fanaticism like that is more evil than pretty much anything on TV.

[LioConvoy]

I ordered both this book, and "TMNT: Exposed" last week. I'm waiting for them to come in so I can read them and successfully debunk them. Then I'm going to roll them up, find their writers, and spank them like naughty puppies.

[doomiscool]

:lol:

Thanks for the fun read Jester! It's always funny to see how people find such things like TMNT evil :P

[Candy Kappa]

awesome review

[Prowler]

Fanatic Christians always blame something new in popular culture for the devil:

In the 1920's, 30's and 40's, jazz was the devil's music.
In the 1950's and 60's, pop and rock was the devil's music.
In the 1980's and 90's, TMNT was the devil's music.

Before the 1970's, even a lot of other things, like cinema, partner dance was the devil's work among these fanatic Christians.
You forgot Heavy Metal.

[Candy Kappa]

You forgot Heavy Metal.

too obvious
they created Christian heavy metal to counter it:lol:

[CyberCubed]

Wouldn't surprise me if some of these people also have severe cases of autism or aspergers, to a more severe degree than others.

Its ridiculous how any time a children's property is "big," it always has people claiming its turning kids into the devil.

[Doc_ock_4mugen]

They are right. The trutles are EVIL!! Thanks to them I'm addicted to Pizza. Also I strike Men who wear Cheese Graters on their arms... The most evil thing that the Turtles taught me was to stick with my family through both good times and bad...

[Candy Kappa]

those poor cheese graters wearing men....
damn you turtles, damn you!

[Whitewolf89]

Glad my parents weren't this anal. :D
Ditto. My mom (AND my late dad, were he still with us) would get one heck of a laugh out of these two idiots. Like you, Jester, I, too, am a Christian. Have been for 40+ years now (and am VERY proud of that), but, unlike Ms (Mrs.?) Robie and Mr. Phillips, I happen to know the difference between reality and *gasp!* fantasy/fiction.

What PLANET are they from, anyway, that they, and these OTHER so-called "Christian" twits, don't? Sheesh.

[Jester]

Typically they say kids wouldn't, but hey when they were kids they had shows like Flash Gordon and Start Trek. Did those shows make kids question reality and fantasy? Did the Greek pantheon shown in Star Trek take them away from "the one true God"? NO! So why is it now kids are more stupid and unable to discern fake from real?

Seriously, I remember one video I watched in a class in college where the interviewer said that his childhood love, Flash Gordon was somehow different than the recent Star Wars stuff. That now science fiction was science fact or some malarkey like that. Wish I could track down that video. I swear it referenced the first TMNT movie and elicited groans from my fellow classmates

[Newton Gimmick]

Maybe Phil Phillips is just mad he has giant teeth. Seriously, the guy can barely talk because of his large chompers.

[Lordmylar06]

Haha! i just watched that video link that Newton posted earlier. Farther in this series of videos they actually have He-Man toys out, and it looks like they're soooo tempted to just play with 'em. They had a few words about how Teela looked "voluptuous". These guys debunk themselves.:lol:

[gobo]

^^ Kick-ass avatar, dude.

[Lordmylar06]

^^ Kick-ass avatar, dude.

haha thanks. I have a gazillion of these, so I put 1 to good use.

[doomiscool]

In the video, Phil Phillips claimed he was fasting when he walked in a toy shop and saw the "evil toy"...maybe he was hallucinating from lack of food :lol:

[Lord Nightwalker]

Or perhaps Mr. Phillips is just anougther lazy adult to tired to actualy pay any real attention, and just lets the scapegoats eat his grass....when he's not smoking it. The idiot. I can't stand it when they blame the evils of the world on cartoons, comics, books, movies, video games, and music. That realy burns me. And to top it off, these people are supposed to be intelligent adults. What a joke. lol.

[Sidian]

im so relieved...normally any thread ive visited regarding christianity deteriorates into petty bickering...

However as a christian myself i dont see anything wrong with the ninja turtles. I think like God we are creative forces and can use those abilities to create wonderful things. I find nothing blasphemous about the turtles so whats the problem?

thats my two cents.

[TheCanadiandrome]

They are right. The trutles are EVIL!! Thanks to them I'm addicted to Pizza. Also I strike Men who wear Cheese Graters on their arms... The most evil thing that the Turtles taught me was to stick with my family through both good times and bad...
LOL! that's great! :D

[Newton Gimmick]

In the video, Phil Phillips claimed he was fasting when he walked in a toy shop and saw the "evil toy"...maybe he was hallucinating from lack of food :lol:

Well he also has God tell him specifically to put a stop to He-Man. I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but if he's hearing voices, maybe HE needs the help. And if the voices he's hearing really are God, wouldn't they find him something better to do?

[Archon_Turtle]

In the video, Phil Phillips claimed he was fasting when he walked in a toy shop and saw the "evil toy"...maybe he was hallucinating from lack of food :lol:

Thats the first thing that came to mind too. If I hadn't eaten in days, I might think Skeletor is talking to me too.

[TheCanadiandrome]

And if the voices he's hearing really are God, wouldn't they find him something better to do?

well, one would think so, yeah

[Hero]

Good thread, Jester.

===HERO

[doomiscool]

Well he also has God tell him specifically to put a stop to He-Man. I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but if he's hearing voices, maybe HE needs the help. And if the voices he's hearing really are God, wouldn't they find him something better to do?

Indeed. The other odd thing he said was he was driving when God spoke to him during this fast...you shouldn't be driving if you're eating nothing. I think that adds more to my hallucination theory...but who knows, maybe this guys just lost his marbles (Or are they evil too? :P)

Thats the first thing that came to mind too. If I hadn't eaten in days, I might think Skeletor is talking to me too.

Exactly! :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. This guy is mental, but that's what religious fanatics who say that all these junk is evil really are. They need to find something better in their lives to do than criticize a children's show that actually talks about good morals. It's the same thing they've done to Harry Potter, which is ridiculous. Heck, I did my senior college paper on how Harry Potter has Christian morals and other morals within it. Honestly, I don't believe in God, but if this is the way God wants people to be, I honestly want no part to this.

[Machias Banshee]

Goodness no, not all religious folks are like this, thankfully... It's the few crazies that seem to catch most of the attention these days.

I'm curious to find out if they've done any NEW stuff for the 2K3 series. You know that fearmongering, family-doting, values-pushing series.... ;)

[Warhorse]

Typically they say kids wouldn't, but hey when they were kids they had shows like Flash Gordon and Start Trek. Did those shows make kids question reality and fantasy? Did the Greek pantheon shown in Star Trek take them away from "the one true God"? NO! So why is it now kids are more stupid and unable to discern fake from real?

Seriously, I remember one video I watched in a class in college where the interviewer said that his childhood love, Flash Gordon was somehow different than the recent Star Wars stuff. That now science fiction was science fact or some malarkey like that. Wish I could track down that video. I swear it referenced the first TMNT movie and elicited groans from my fellow classmates

No, Star Trek and Flash Gordon won't make a kid question the difference between reality and fiction, but it does inspire them to investigate the thoughts of time travel, space travel, and other fields that may or may not put the question of a higher power to rest, and some sectors are afraid of that happening.

[Whitewolf89]

Goodness no, not all religious folks are like this, thankfully... It's the few crazies that seem to catch most of the attention these days.
Well put, Machi. I know that both my late grandmothers (true Christian ladies, both) AND my late, beloved, and much missed Aunt Floss (who WAS a dedicated Christian if there ever WAS one!) would be absolutely APPALLED by these two ninnies!

Heh, and IF they were all three still with us, they'd get these two together, sit them down and PROMPTLY give them one SHELL of a talking to about such nonsense!;):lol:

I'm curious to find out if they've done any NEW stuff for the 2K3 series. You know that fearmongering, family-doting, values-pushing series.... ;)
Yeah, me, too.

And you know, THIS is a bit OT (kinda), but if THIS is how they view (and basically TRASH) the TMNT, I'd kinda hate to see how they'd react to the characters in Elfquest, ANOTHER of my fave comics. (To MY mind, Winnowill is the elfin equivalant of Shredder. She's JUST as evil and MEAN, anyway! Just, to her credit, a bit more CLASSY, when it comes to HER schemes and cruelty.) Not sure I want to KNOW, really.

[Spitfire]

The stuff people like that say effect me abut as much as the crazy homeless people who yell at me on a daily basis. It's good for a laugh but it serves no other purpose. Unless you already believe cartoons are the spawn of Satan no ones gonna be pulled the other way by those books.

Interesting though.

[Blade Raider]

No, Star Trek and Flash Gordon won't make a kid question the difference between reality and fiction, but it does inspire them to investigate the thoughts of time travel, space travel, and other fields that may or may not put the question of a higher power to rest, and some sectors are afraid of that happening.
I see nothing wrong with that.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

There are undoubtedly people who say such things about Barney the Dinosaur too. Although that idea isn't necessarily crazy... :lol:

[Ryona]

Wow, the stuff on the link is just too silly to be taken serious.

I know not all Christians, Muslims, and other patriarchy-religion believers are crazy.., But how did the crazy ones get so.. crazy?

[Blade Raider]

Wow, the stuff on the link is just too silly to be taken serious.

I know not all Christians, Muslims, and other patriarchy-religion believers are crazy.., But how did the crazy ones get so.. crazy?
Their moms didn't let them go to the movies every once in a while when they were kids :lol:

[XERO]

I know not all Christians, Muslims, and other patriarchy-religion believers are crazy.., But how did the crazy ones get so.. crazy?

Because... well, they're crazy.

[Spitfire]

I know not all Christians, Muslims, and other patriarchy-religion believers are crazy.., But how did the crazy ones get so.. crazy?

Over analyzing something written thousands of years ago will drive anyone insane.

[Blade Raider]

Over analyzing something written thousands of years ago will drive anyone insane.
Analyzing anything to much can drive a person insane. Of course, a lot of these people don't know what their talking about to begin with.

[Dan]

Don't the Turtles celebrate christmas?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

too obvious
they created Christian heavy metal to counter it:lol:

I added hard rock and heavy metal, it must have been a mistake because I had it in my mind when creating this. Hard rock and heavy metal was considered "dangerous" by Christians back in the 1980's.

[kev trashcan]

and religion isnt mind control?, these over religious kooks are funny. everything is selling ideas one way or another and people will soak up and or belive in what they want to belive in or not, and should have that right. im tired of these people and other treating the genral public like little kids that are lost without their help...

[Whitewolf89]

Wow, the stuff on the link is just too silly to be taken serious.
Agreed.

I know not all Christians, Muslims, and other patriarchy-religion believers are crazy.., But how did the crazy ones get so.. crazy?
THAT, dear friend, is something that even I have never figured out.

Although several others here have posted some every...INTERESTING...ideas.;):lol:

Don't the Turtles celebrate christmas?
According to BOTH the Mirage comics (AND, ITHINK, the Archie ones), AND the 2K3 TMNT series, yes.

[Candy Kappa]

But how did the crazy ones get so.. crazy?

to quote a certain cat "I am Crazy, you are Crazy, We all are Crazy here"

Don't the Turtles celebrate christmas?

sure they do, just as sure as the Vikings had "Christmas" (Yule) long before Christianity ravaged the Viking lands:D

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

and religion isnt mind control, these over religious kooks are funny. everything is selling ideas one way or another and people will soak up and or belive in what they want to belive in or not, and should have that right. im tired of these people and other treating the genral public like little kids that are lost without their help...

State-operated religion may work as mind control in dictatorship states.

[Spike Spiegel]

I would say I had a good laugh seeing this...but that would be lying.

I was watching the video...and I have actually grown up in one of these sorts of environments. My mother never let me watch MMPR or Pokemon, among other shows...and I was screwed up by this in a way. Stuff like TMNT is not bad!! I learned so many good moral lessons from TMNT, Gargoyles, Batman TAS, etc. I do, however, think that some cartoons do have occult influences. I don't personally watch cartoons like the Scooby-Doo one they showed.

But I guess when I played with my Batman figures as a lad, I was "projecting myself" into it, right?

Sometimes I hate all of the man-made stuff in Christianity. I just want to follow the Bible. Eastern religion, etc. is somewhat evident in TMNT, but I know how to look at it as allegory and not reality...those fanatics sound like my mother. Seeing such paranoia and stupidity reminded me how flawed humanity can truly be...and all the things I hated about my childhood.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Everyone has the right to believe what he/she wants. We will never know if any God exists. But when it comes to parents almost brainwashing their children into believing, something is wrong? It's not only religion, even politics may be used that way.

[METALHEAD]

i'm catholic myself, sometimes thosetypes of people take far too seriously. ---This reminds me of the famous book SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT where a crazy german almost destroyed the comic book companies during the golden age of comics behold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent for this i will always see Fredric Wertham as the world's greatest monster (next to hitler, and sadame, and bin laden)

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

i'm catholic myself, sometimes thosetypes of people take far too seriously. ---This reminds me of the famous book SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT where a crazy german almost destroyed the comic book companies during the golden age of comics behold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent for this i will always see Fredric Wertham as the world's greatest monster (next to hitler, and sadame, and bin laden)

There was a witch-hunt on comic books back in the 1950's and 1960's.

[BigApple3AM]

Fun article Jester. Just one thing, at the end you claim Raph says "bitchin'" in the movie. Are you talking about at the end? Because I'm pretty sure he's saying legit, it was the times man.

Anyway, I don't get worked up about these things because I'm fairly certain they're only doing it for money. C'mon, they publish a book which barely any content and a sweet TMNT cover for no other reason than to make a buck. If they really hated the TMNT they'd be out picketing at the tour bus stops or something.

Besides these days there's so much awful **** for kids to see on the TV that I can't see how anyone can pick on the cartoons seriously. Heck even the kids shows like Hannah Montana have more control and psychological issues on kid's brains that any 80's cartoon can dream of having.

[Candy Kappa]

nothing is more evil than the hell spawn of all wickedness, the Teletubbies

[kev trashcan]

Fun article Jester. Just one thing, at the end you claim Raph says "bitchin'" in the movie. Are you talking about at the end? Because I'm pretty sure he's saying legit, it was the times man.

Anyway, I don't get worked up about these things because I'm fairly certain they're only doing it for money. C'mon, they publish a book which barely any content and a sweet TMNT cover for no other reason than to make a buck. If they really hated the TMNT they'd be out picketing at the tour bus stops or something.

Besides these days there's so much awful **** for kids to see on the TV that I can't see how anyone can pick on the cartoons seriously. Heck even the kids shows like Hannah Montana have more control and psychological issues on kid's brains that any 80's cartoon can dream of having.

amen, could not have said it better

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

i'm catholic myself, sometimes thosetypes of people take far too seriously. ---This reminds me of the famous book SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT where a crazy german almost destroyed the comic book companies during the golden age of comics behold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent for this i will always see Fredric Wertham as the world's greatest monster (next to hitler, and sadame, and bin laden)

Oh, he wasn't so crazy. There were some very weird comics out on the mass market in the 1950's, so his concern was real. Don't believe me? I have some MAD magazines (and comics) from the 1950's, and they were a lot more weirder and vulgar than the later ones.

[Sewer Bull]

i'm catholic myself, sometimes thosetypes of people take far too seriously. ---This reminds me of the famous book SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT where a crazy german almost destroyed the comic book companies during the golden age of comics behold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent for this i will always see Fredric Wertham as the world's greatest monster (next to hitler, and sadame, and bin laden)

I pity you.

[Jester]

Fun article Jester. Just one thing, at the end you claim Raph says "bitchin'" in the movie. Are you talking about at the end? Because I'm pretty sure he's saying legit, it was the times man.
I watched it with the subtitles....it's "bitchin'."

[Kendamu]

I watched it with the subtitles....it's "bitchin'."
Yeah. I noticed that, too. I used the subs awhile back because I could never quite figure out what he was saying.

[gobo]

I always thought it sounded like "legit" too, but anyone who ever read one of the comic adaptations would know better.

[METALHEAD]

I pity you.

pity me?! yeah whatever, i still see this guy as an enemy to comics. -.- those were the dark days for horror comics.

[METALHEAD]

Oh, he wasn't so crazy. There were some very weird comics out on the mass market in the 1950's, so his concern was real. Don't believe me? I have some MAD magazines (and comics) from the 1950's, and they were a lot more weirder and vulgar than the later ones.

i'm sure it was weird and odd! mad magazine had that. they were a comic so to save themselves they made into a magazine. thus the rest is history.:)

[BigApple3AM]

Ah ok so it is bitchin'. That's what I used to think he said but then someone here said he was saying legit and that made more sense. But now it's back to bitchin'.

Ok now while we're at it lets try and figure out if it's crude or rude in the old theme song. I'm going with rude, and don't disagree with me because I've already been wrong once today. (Joking about this, lets not take Jester's thread off topic)