Is a 5th Turtle necessary?

[Hero]

In my years of TMNT indulgance, I have seen fan-creations, honourary members, and token females etc added ontop of a popular foursome lineup.

IMO Personally, I prefer the Turtles as the quartet dynamic they have always been. Nothing against the fantasy character of a 5th member, but I like my TMNT being the 4 brothers they have always been since day one. The gang have never needed a 5th brother/sister before and have plentiful non-turtle back-up whatever the situation they are in.

To me a 5th Turtle has always worked when that turtle has been a renegade (Tokka, Slash, Hans, Fritz, Metalhead), but as an ally I can't buy into it.

So my question to you all is, Do you think a 5th Turtle is neccessary?

===HERO

[Francis The Lost Turtle]

There has already been a fifth turtle and her name was Venus from the Next Mutation.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Well, in the original toon, there was Zack. ;)

[TurtleGuy]

No, I don't believe a fifth turtle is nessecary.

But if there was a fifth turtle, I'd rather he be someone who has no clear alliance. Sometimes he'd be on the turtles' side, sometimes on the side of the foot. Just someone who would side with anyone if it benefits him.

[The Shelf]

There have been so many 5th turtles.

Zach
Slash
Tokka
Venus
Murphy

:D

P.S. I'm sure someone will list more that I forgot about.

[ToTheNines]

I've always liked Benvenuto, he's easily the most well thought out of the fan-made 5th turtles. But no, it's not necessary.

[Spike Spiegel]

The turtles were complete in their awesomeness from day one...no need for a fifth. It's like having a "Third Mario Brother":lol::lol:...it just wouldn't fit.

[Sidian]

i know im such a noob but who is zach? not to mention hans and fritz...slash, tokka, and venus now i remember THEM.

anyone help me out?

[The Shelf]

This guy: http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/Zach

Zach was like the old cartoon version of Cody. I honestly don't remember who Hans or Fritz are.

[shuriken]

No, I don't believe a fifth turtle is nessecary.

But if there was a fifth turtle, I'd rather he be someone who has no clear alliance. Sometimes he'd be on the turtles' side, sometimes on the side of the foot. Just someone who would side with anyone if it benefits him.

I like how you think. That makes more sense than adding a 5th turtle to the core group like they did with the Next Mutation.
I don't think they are necessary, but having a fifth turtle occasionally in the mix is nice. I really like Slash though, to me he IS the defenite fifth turtle, and serves as a perfect doppleganger for the turtles.

[Klork]

On one hand I'm rather happy with just the four turtles without any additions. On the other hand, I think a fifth turtle could be done rather well if time and effort were put into the thought process. Instead of how they threw Venus in there. It just seemed a little too ... I don't know, like they wanted to re-write and say "oops, we missed a turtle!". I think he/she would have to have a different origin all together..maybe even not 'ooze' related. And I definitely don't think he/she should be added to the group--maybe an associate, but independent on their own story. Don't even have to be a ninja, frankly.

I've seen a lot of fan renditions and ...I don't know, I haven't paid attention to all the stories to know whose are good and not. I know there's a lot of decent drawings of fifths out there though.

[ToTheNines]

Hanz and Fritz were the wrestling turtles from the stupid season 4 episode "Planet of the Turltes" not to be confused with "Planet of the Turtleoids".

[Sidian]

I like how you think. That makes more sense than adding a 5th turtle to the core group like they did with the Next Mutation.
I don't think they are necessary, but having a fifth turtle occasionally in the mix is nice. I really like Slash though, to me he IS the defenite fifth turtle, and serves as a perfect doppleganger for the turtles.


i agree...Slash IS the fifth turtle...however i prefer his comic/figure look to how he appeared in the original cartoon...

although ill never think of the word binky without thinking of slash lol

[Francis The Lost Turtle]

I also consider in my world of TMNT fandom, Francis a fifth turtle the one in my avatar.

[Andrew NDB]

In an amusing special of the Archie comics, April became a 5th turtle for a while.

But no. No need for a 5th turtle. At all.

[Raph ninja]

well a 5th turtle always gives playmates a chance for new toys. (like they need any more)

[Dan]

There have been so many 5th turtles.

Zach
Slash
Tokka
Venus
Murphy
Who is Murphy?
Hanz and Fritz were the wrestling turtles from the stupid season 4 episode "Planet of the Turltes" not to be confused with "Planet of the Turtleoids".
There is no episode called "Planet of the Turltes".

[ToTheNines]

Who is Murphy?

There is no episode called "Planet of the Turltes".

I meant Turtles, smart ass.

And Murphy (aka Dean Clarian) is a Mirage employee who used to have a popular blog called the 5th turtle.

[XERO]

Don't mind me, just passin' by. [/shamelessplug]

[Jester]

Don't mind me, just passin' by. [/shamelessplug]
Get out of here, you're unnecessary!!

You know I love you Benny, boy!

[XERO]

Get outta here! You're NECESSARY! :P

[Ryona]

A fifth turtle is fine as far as fan-fiction goes. But in the canonical universe of TMNT, is a fifth turtle necessary? Not really when you consider that the world is filled with millions of different animal species that one could be selected from to form a new mutant/anthro character.
So really, why stick with just turtles?

[XERO]

A fifth turtle is fine as far as fan-fiction goes. But in the canonical universe of TMNT, is a fifth turtle necessary? Not really when you consider that the world is filled with millions of different animal species that one could be selected from to form a new mutant/anthro character.
So really, why stick with just turtles?

It's more of a childhood thing, I suppose.

The majority of kid Turtle fans have that same desire. 'I wanna be a Ninja Turtle when I grow up!'

[Ra]

When I wanted to grow up, I wanted to be a mutant so I could feed off rats in the sewer. *odd child*

But yeah, I'm with Ryona. If the cannon wanted a new main character, just chuck in one of the anthro characters or another human (that is not a Mary Sue... dear god...)

[XERO]

But yeah, I'm with Ryona. If the cannon wanted a new main character, just chuck in one of the anthro characters or another human (that is not a Mary Sue... dear god...)

What if the cannon wanted cannonballs instead, huh? HUH?!:P

[VaughnMichael]

Kirby is the real firth turtle to me.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

No. It just leads to the creation of a 6th, a 7th, an 8th and so on.

[Sage Ninja]

I've never liked the idea of a fifth turtle in canon. Even Slash is a bit iffy to me, but that could be because I never cared for Slash in the old toon. The old show had to many "dumb as a brick" characters in the OT that it was pretty redundant by the time Slash came along.

[khelben1979]

No, four is enough.

[Scandia]

Absolutely not.

I am aware that Ninjitsu comes from Japan. I am aware that in Japan (and various other East Asian countries), the number 4 is considered with lucky because of its linguistic similarity to "death". I am aware this is the reason why sentai teams often have 5 members.

But this takes place in America, where this superstition would not be very well known by the mainstream population of northern European ancestry.

I do not see why it would be necessary to have a 5th Turtle. And there is a 5th member already- Splinter.

[Luke795]

"And with an old Renaissance book I found in a sewer drain, I gave them all names. Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, and Benvenuto."

Who is Benvenuto?

[XERO]

Er... that'd be me. The ever-a-nutcase who committed himself to being a honest 5th Turtle.

PM me if you want a better understanding, for this is not my thread.

[Ninjinister]

Kirby is the real firth turtle to me.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/usdms13/DSCN0762-2-1.jpg

[XERO]

L to da O to da L. :lol:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I've never liked the idea of a fifth turtle in canon. Even Slash is a bit iffy to me, but that could be because I never cared for Slash in the old toon. The old show had to many "dumb as a brick" characters in the OT that it was pretty redundant by the time Slash came along.

Slash rocked in the "Turtles in Time" video game, as one of the toughest bosses to defeat. No more.

[Ra]

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought of the pink fluff ball when Kirby was mentioned. :lol:

What if the cannon wanted cannonballs instead, huh? HUH?!:P
Well then that is perfectly acceptable. The cannon always needs ammunition after all. :D

[VaughnMichael]

Silly image
*face palm*
Here this is from Kevin Eastmans book, I compiled the images together for you all:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Harmophious/KevinEastmanKirbyConcepts.jpg

[Lordmylar06]

*face palm*
Here this is from Kevin Eastmans book, I compiled the images together for you all:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Harmophious/KevinEastmanKirbyConcepts.jpg

Ah, Artobiography. I love that book. Y'know I'm pretty sure that Slash was inspired by the concept art for a 5th Turtle. Was he already a toon when they were working on this concept art, or did he come way after? As far as the question goes, no 5th turtle is needed but there are lots of ways to be able to write it in. The TCRI canister did break into the sewer, who's to say that goop didn't get to some other animals that happened upon it? Maybe other rats, cockroaches, flushed goldfish(undead mutant fish sounds cool). The fact remains that it wasn't written like this though, so no dice i think.

[Candy Kappa]

I always liked the idea of a female mutant turtle, but as a canon it ruins the isolation the turtles have with the world, being they only have each other.

But now how volum 4 is i think it could be fitted in nicely with good writing, when Mikey seems to have reproduced will it really be weird having a female mutated turtle with two toes and three fingers? ... don't answer that:lol:

but all in all there is no need for a fifth addition to the ninja turtles team

mutants are supposed to be a rarity, so it should be kept to a minimum, or are the Utroms just as sloppy as humans when it comes to toxic waste?

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Looking up the episode list, "The Fifth Turtle" was the title of episode 26, 1989 season, and it was about Zach.

Of course Zach wasn't really a fifth Turtle, he was fan service! :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

No, I think the Turtles should just be four. The only fifth Turtle I'll accept is Ben because he's just cool. But as for the show, no fifth Turtle for the guys. They should just be four.

[Coola Yagami]

Mikey's kids won't count (if they are Mikey's kids). They're gonna look like dinosaurs with shells or something.


I don't know... Mikey just seems so much more human. Out of all 4 turtles, for some reason it just makes sense that Mikey would be the first to find love and bear children.

[Dan]

No, I think the Turtles should just be four. The only fifth Turtle I'll accept is Ben because he's just cool. Who is Ben?

[XERO]

... You're kidding, right?

*facepalms*

[Ginny]

No 5th turtle is needed. Things are great as is.

[NiNi]

I don't think a 5th turtle is really needed. Honestly, if there was a 5th turtle in the canon TMNT universe (with the exception of Venus), it kind of destroys the concept of the TMNT when it comes to their brotherhood that we all know and love.

[Prowler]

I don't consider Slash to be the "5th Turtle", he's a villain.

Venus? No.

I know Zack was created so kids could identify with him because of the "When I grow up, I wanna be a Turtle!" but he is one of the most annoying cartoon characters of all time, and his voice doesn't help.

There's no need for a "5th Turtle" at all, unless you count April as an honorary turtle.

[Candy Kappa]

Mikey's kids won't count (if they are Mikey's kids). They're gonna look like dinosaurs with shells or something.

a bunch of Raph Gamera looking hatchlings... cute, with Mikeys eyes ofc

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I know Zack was created so kids could identify with him because of the "When I grow up, I wanna be a Turtle!" but he is one of the most annoying cartoon characters of all time, and his voice doesn't help.

I didn't say I liked Zack. In fact, thank goodness they didn't use him too much, or it would have probably killed the cartoon off early. :dead:

[Prowler]

I didn't say I liked Zack.
I know that.

[Dom]

I am not 100% against a 5th turtle, but all the previous attempts have fitted about as well as a set of balls on a pole dancer.

Slash was cool, but I would have preffered if the 5 had grown up together and somehow he had turned rogue.