Dreamwave TMNT art!!!

[beaker]

Look what I scored, from browsing the Penny Arcade forums:

http://www.silver3.com/Testing%20Shit/LeSean/Images/Large/mike.jpg

http://lesean.defuser.net/art/BHMstudies.jpg

http://lesean.defuser.net/

HFS!!! And I thought the new TMNT cartoon designs rocked...these designs IMHO blow everything Ive seen away(and that includes the 80's Mirage stuff) I hat eto use this expression, but these new TMNT designs look sick as all get out.

[Karpo_007]

Not impressive at all. But of course these are just early skectches, not real art. Im sure it will get better.

[GK Punk]

Not impressive at all. But of course these are just early skectches, not real art. Im sure it will get better.

I'll second that... maybe the second draft will be better?

[Karpo_007]

Well thats far from final, I hope it will get better. I still beliéve that the dreamvawe series can be good one.

[CoolWhip]

....

Well, I don't really like them either.

Anyone know when the book is supposed to be out?

[Karpo_007]

I don't think any date has been given yet.

[Kali]

As an artist, I can see where they're going with this. Yeah, they're just sketches, but you can still see the style they're going to be using and can easily imagine what the finished products might look like. They're like teasers.

I can't wait to see the finished artwork.

[Aztec General]

Okay for what it was. I see no reason to claim that this they looked better than the Mirage stuff. Beaker, I'm beginning to think that you work for Dreamwave. :wink:

[BigThew]

Joe Mad needs to do the comic

[HorseTechie]

Oh piff.. I like these. Kind of creative, expressive. Of course, they could be preliminaries that have yet some changes to undergo before the final designs.

The first one on Mike reminds me of Image style.. mhh... but I like how the others sketches on the BHMstudies look. In'taresting duds!

[Eye of Sarnath]

Meh... they're okay. I'll wait until I see the official finished product.

[beaker]

Okay for what it was. I see no reason to claim that this they looked better than the Mirage stuff. Beaker, I'm beginning to think that you work for Dreamwave. :wink:

I wish! Best darn comic company out there IMHO. I was blown away by these sketches alone, very angulair anime, witht hat urban look...almost akin to a little bit of the style Im trying right now.

I just bought the latest TMNT Mirage issue...and to say the art sucks is an understatement(Hmmm, square blocks with bandanas, and even worse Picaso looking people...IVe seen sprite rip webcomics look better) so I cannot wait for the real new TMNT comic! Just curious when its comic out.
In the 15 years Ive been a fan, this has to be the coolest look Ive ever seen given to the TMNT.

[Karpo_007]

I suspect too that he works for Dreamwave... :lol:

[Eye of Sarnath]

Prolly! :P

[Dinny]

I say so too

[Dinny]

How can u b so blown away by a few sketches

[tekcop]

and to say the art sucks is an understatement.......so I cannot wait for the real new TMNT comic!
Oh.... I know you just didn't... :evil:

Anyways, I'm still finding it hard to get too excited about this new dreamwave series. Peter David's a good enough writer and all but.....

[Karpo_007]

I Know, I have the same feeling. But I will buy few issues and see where it goes. But to say that those skecthes look better than 80's Mirage... Well Some people like Next mutation. That is the way of the world.

[Sparvid]

Joe Mad needs to do the comicNo, I want to see more than 3 issues/year... :dead:

[beaker]

So you guys really feel the blocko, over stimpled pap that passes as a TMNT comic in the year 2003 is better designed then the sketches shown on this thread? I mean Im all for the 80's, but modern updates on the 80's, not living in 1985 art styles. (IMHO tho, the 85 series has even better art then the current TMNT comic)

Have you guys seen the Dreamwave Transformers comics? Youre saying TMNT is better with bad black and white art, over astonishing jaw dropping color manga style? Ohhkay.

But yeah I wish I worked for Dreamwave, Ive been blown away by their stuff since 1998. However...they are in Canada, Im in Calfornia.
Um...so how do I work for them? I buy their comics nad mention how kick ass they are if that counts.

Anyways, just surprised people like the new TMNT cartoond esigns over the old ones, but dont like the idea of modern cool anime style TMNT over the 1985 look.

[Karpo_007]

You said that those sketches look better to you than Original Mirage. Well it's your opinion. And Im sure that nothing that Dreamwave can do will ever top the the original Mirage art, [Yes I have read scans of dremwave armada]. But of course the taste of art is diffrent for everyone. Like I said some people like Next mutation.

It can be a good comic book series if done right, But as said, I need to see few issues before I can say anything about it. Still those scketches don't impress me at all. Want to see good sketches? Go to Laird's Blast from the past page.

[Kali]

It can be a good comic book series if done right, But as said, I need to see few issues before I can say anything about it. Still those scketches don't impress me at all. Want to see good sketches? Go to Laird's Blast from the past page.
Laird's BFTP has very few "rough sketches". Mostly, there's old finished pieces and polished sketches. (Great stuff.) Show me something there that still has the guide lines in tact, then we'll compare.

[Karpo_007]

Well those skecthesare in early stages, but as you said, You can see where it's going. To me it looks to Imagish, but I have to see some finished art.

[CookSux]

So you guys really feel the blocko, over stimpled pap that passes as a TMNT comic in the year 2003 is better designed then the sketches shown on this thread? I mean Im all for the 80's, but modern updates on the 80's, not living in 1985 art styles. (IMHO tho, the 85 series has even better art then the current TMNT comic)

Have you guys seen the Dreamwave Transformers comics? Youre saying TMNT is better with bad black and white art, over astonishing jaw dropping color manga style? Ohhkay.

Dreamwave did an excellent job with Transformers, but you have to keep in mind that there is a miriad of artists on the various Transformers books. James Raiz does an excellent job with Armada, Don does an awesome job with the War Within book, and I have to said that I'm disappointed with Pat Lee's take on the Transformers. Sure it's still awesome, but the proportions and everything else is just too distorted. Hardly jaw dropping if you ask me.

But yeah I wish I worked for Dreamwave, Ive been blown away by their stuff since 1998. However...they are in Canada, Im in Calfornia.
Um...so how do I work for them? I buy their comics nad mention how kick ass they are if that counts.

Anyways, just surprised people like the new TMNT cartoond esigns over the old ones, but dont like the idea of modern cool anime style TMNT over the 1985 look.

I know a lot of people that work for Dreamwave that isn't located in Canada like Pat Lee and the others. But for the record, I don't think these test drawings were that impressive at all. They're hardly "anime" style, and don't look that great. They look like fat men. Then again, we all need something to complain about. And yeah, the new cartoon designs are sometimes lacking if you ask me.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Look at the first picture. WTF is up with Mikey? Seriously, he looks like a frog to me.

[Raphael-sama]

Yurgh. Those are horrible.

Pat Lee and TMNT do NOT mix. Hell, Pat Lee doesn't mix with anything.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Y'know, before I saw these pictures, I was actually looking forward to the comic. Can't say the smae now. :dead:

[Greed]

I like these new sketches I can not wait for the new comic

[Eye of Sarnath]

Oh, I can.

[tekcop]

So you guys really feel the blocko, over stimpled pap that passes as a TMNT comic in the year 2003 is better designed then the sketches shown on this thread? I mean Im all for the 80's, but modern updates on the 80's, not living in 1985 art styles.
Y'know I almost quit reading right about here. What makes you think that Jim Lawson has an 80's art style?

Have you guys seen the Dreamwave Transformers comics? Youre saying TMNT is better with bad black and white art, over astonishing jaw dropping color manga style? Ohhkay.
I have bought a few Dreamwave Transformers comics for my little brother. I can't say I like the art. And it's not manga, it's amerimanga.

but dont like the idea of modern cool anime style TMNT over the 1985 look.
Still don't understand that.

[cqb101]

I kinda like the art.....I can't wait for the comic......

[Eye of Sarnath]

I like Lawson's style in the new comics... but that's just me. :ohwell:

[The_Realest]

The sketches are medicocre, but like other have said we should wait for the final product. I am looking forward to the comic though.

[PWDESAI]

1st one was retarded :o
2nd one was alright.
I guess it's easier to draw transfomers than tmnt, i really don't want to see 10 foot feet! :o

[tekcop]

I like Lawson's style in the new comics... but that's just me. :ohwell:
and me.

[Aztec General]

I will defend Lawson's art as well. I'm not the biggest fan of his humans, but he draws and amazing Ninja Turtle. I'm also a huge fan of black and white comics. If they are shaded correctly they look great.

Beaker my biggest beef with you is that your opinions are SO extreme. You either love or completey hate something. Relax a bit, and learn to enjoy things for what they are. Ex: If you don't like the new theme song then avert your eyes and ears during the 30 seconds its on and watch the remaining 22 minutes of splendor that is the new TMNT series.

In addition you flip flop between being an '80s superfan and someone who uses the term "'80s" to mock certain media. Are the '80s good or bad?

As for these pictures, they have potential but they are early drafts, and quite difficult to make out. These series could be great, and I hope it is. But it is much, much, much, much, much too early to claim that it will be the BEST yet.

[lhb412]

I also like Lawson's art, sure his humans are a bit weird but his robots, creatures, and especially Ninja Turtles look awesome! The problem with the current Mirage comics is that it's moving to slow, but that should change in a few issues ounce they get into resolving the story arc.

Anyway, back to topic, I can see where they're going with this, I think it looks great, I hope this and the New Tales of the TMNT get here soon, I can't wait.

[Psycrow]

I just hope that Dreamwave will be able to do something about the story. Man, the story for Dreamwave's transformers comics sucked the big one! They work way too slow. Good thing they called Simon Furman in to do the War Within series, which is the best line they had (It was only 5 issues). It also had the best art as well. Don can really draw some bad ass looking transformers.

[CookSux]

I just hope that Dreamwave will be able to do something about the story. Man, the story for Dreamwave's transformers comics sucked the big one! They work way too slow. Good thing they called Simon Furman in to do the War Within series, which is the best line they had (It was only 5 issues). It also had the best art as well. Don can really draw some bad ass looking transformers.

Well, Don's been doing Transformers art for a long time now. Dreamwave's smartest move was to give him an opportunity. He's been a long time poster over at theallspark.

[Caliosidhe]

I like the sketches shown from the Dreamwave stuff.. the guy definately has a more dynamic style then tmnt comic fans are used to seeing..

Of course I really don't like the actual character design. I wouldn't mind seeing the turtles in that style as long as they don't end up looking like the frogs they do now. *laughs*

[CookSux]

Here are some that probably weren't seen...

http://lesean.defuser.net/art/Ralph.jpg

Still look like fat men...

[GK Punk]

And they called him "Ralph".... I really hope they fix that

[Apple Cat]

---delete this

[The_Realest]

That's pretty sad that an artist who is going to be regularly drawing Raph in a brand new comic series can't even get his name right.

[GK Punk]

That's a pet peeve of mine, I cant stand it when people call him "ralph" I have no Idea why it bothers me so much, it just does!!

[beaker]

I will defend Lawson's art as well. I'm not the biggest fan of his humans, but he draws and amazing Ninja Turtle. I'm also a huge fan of black and white comics. If they are shaded correctly they look great.

Beaker my biggest beef with you is that your opinions are SO extreme. You either love or completey hate something. Relax a bit, and learn to enjoy things for what they are. Ex: If you don't like the new theme song then avert your eyes and ears during the 30 seconds its on and watch the remaining 22 minutes of splendor that is the new TMNT series.

In addition you flip flop between being an '80s superfan and someone who uses the term "'80s" to mock certain media. Are the '80s good or bad?

As for these pictures, they have potential but they are early drafts, and quite difficult to make out. These series could be great, and I hope it is. But it is much, much, much, much, much too early to claim that it will be the BEST yet.

First off, Im a BIG fan of black and white indie comics. Be it Slave Labour, Oni Press, etc. Im a big JTHM, Usagi, 80's TMNT Mirage, Miami Mice, etc fan. However, after reading through most of the newer TMNT series, I just cannot get over how it seems to be one of th emost unappealing(aesteetically) comics out there. It looks like Robert Crumb meets some sort of blocko TMNT style. Are those even humans? The few Dreamwave TMNT sketches I have seen are quite astonishing to me...Ive never seen any TMNT art like that. That is the true evolution I feel...the current Mirage series to me wouldnt even had looked decent in the mid 80's I have the collected 80's TPB TMNT Series, and the current series isnt even up to par with that.

I will say the theme song isnt as bad 4 episodes in...I mean its no original TMNT theme song, but the intro is so great that a theme song really cant ruin it.

As for am I for the 80's or not? Its not that black and white. When I say I long for the days of 80's gaming, I dont mean for them to come out with Dig Dug and Mario Bros. again. Notice how the new Metroid, Shinobi, Contra, etc are evolved, new modern takes? Same with the new Transformers comics, the new TMNT cartoon, the new 'fantasy' films(a huge staple of 80's moviegoing) Simply rehashing the 80's would be sad...however doing a modern reinterpretation; now that is what it is all about. Such is why I am more than excited about the upcoming DW comic series.

[That Matt Guy]

Yeah, just keep the "80s were the greatest time period in the history of mankind" to a minimum. You might also want to stop using the word horrific to describe everything you don't like. :wink:

[Karpo_007]

Like I said, the dreamwave comic will probably never top Mirage, in art nor story telling. But since it's TMNT, it has potential and I really hope it will become good comic series.

And Ralph... Really they should know the characters they are drawing...

[Raphael-sama]

To those who worry about the new TMNT comic's story: Oh, don't worry about that. If I'm not mistaken, is it not Peter David that's writing this? I've heard before that the guy is excellent with this sort of stuff. So no worries there.

It's the ART that has me worried. I'm sorry if you're a fan of the Dreamwave G1 comics, but Pat Lee CAN NOT DRAW. His drawing lack ANY expression, his humans are all just CLONES of eachother, and the entire product looks so bland and rushed that it's not only satisfying, it bogs the story down. Remember: in a comic, the art is more important than the writing. The art is there to make the writing make sense and look GOOD. Pat Lee can't do that. Look at his two comic stint in Armada, and compare it to James Raiz's previous issues. Huuuge difference in quality.

(Then again, what do you expect? The guy's mentor was Robert Leifield, for crying out loud...)

[Aztec General]

Actually not too long ago someone posted some of his art on this board and I liked it. If anyone can post that link again, that'd be great. So we all can judge.

[HorseTechie]

Raph's not fat, he's just on steriods. Note the bulging muscles, and no sign of pudgy flab. :P

I had liked Pat Lee's style in the beginning, until he decided fat Transformers are the norm. Now, there's one 'element' that shouldn't be fat. :lol:

[Kali]

Remember: in a comic, the art is more important than the writing. The art is there to make the writing make sense and look GOOD.
Actually, art and writing have equal balance in a comic. Even the best art won't make a comic good if the script is bad. Likewise, bad art can turn readers away from an excellent story. A comic basically tells a story with pictures, you need both to make the whole thing work.

So, I'm reserving judgement on this new series until I can get a feel for the whole thing.

[Blades]

Heh, yet again, Rapheal is given my father's name, Ralph. Hmm, this could be an interesting fanart idea. My dad as a ninja turtle... :lol:

[Anarchistguy]

What are you people talking about? Those designs look FANTASTIC!!

[Karpo_007]

No they don't. They don't look like TMNT at all, but of course those are early skecthes, I hope we will see some real pencils soon.

[Anarchistguy]

Well I admit their faces need improvement, but I still like them.

[Karpo_007]

No one should judge it before we see the real things. I have heard many people complaining about Pat Lee's art, So im a little worried. And those sketches doesn't help...

[CookSux]

Only thing is, is that Pat Lee is one of the many artists for Dreamwave. Les is working on TMNT. I am not really a fan of his stuff personally... he has good dynamics in his work, just his actual character designs are lacking.

[Aztec General]

I've bumped a thread in the TMNT Comics forum. It's the one marked Pat Lee's TMNT. It has some examples of his previous work. I think it looks pretty good.

[Karpo_007]

I think this thread belongs to the comic forum too, But I don't have the Power... Hopefully one of the general mods comes around.

[beaker]

What are you people talking about? Those designs look FANTASTIC!!

word. I still cant believe how evolved and interesting just the concept designs alone are...judging from his past work, as well as other Dreamwave titles, I have a feeling art and story wise this will be nothing short of astonishing. Just wait, when this finally comes out(anyone have a release date?) put this and the newer Mirage series side by side...

Second, for those that dont like the breathtaking new Transformers comics, check out the less than stellar recently released TPB' of the 80's TF comic...
if they had had that 'Amerimanga color' styled TF back then I woul dhave fainted.

Thirdly, a great story cant make up for bad art. The newer TMNT Mirage series for example...the story is pretty cool, but its mired in what I would say is the worst TMNT illsutrations since early Archie TMNT. A shame, as I have a lot of older Lawson TMNT work which seems much better...what happened?

[GK Punk]

"Third", a great story cant make up for bad art. The newer TMNT Mirage series for example...the story is pretty cool, but its mired in what I would say is the worst TMNT illsutrations since early Archie TMNT. A shame, as I have a lot of older Lawson TMNT work which seems much better...what happened?

True dat, homey... er I mean I agree with you, my friend.
One of my favorite Comics was DC's Supergirl, during the Peter David written story arc (the one of the Satanic Cult) And I followed it for years... Untill they got a bad artist... So In otherwords, I feel it goes both ways... You NEED both for a comic to be good!

Another Example is TopCow's Battle of The Planets... the art is perfect for the series, but the writing is terrible!! And that imo is "horrific" :P

[Shellfox]

Mike- I like the side pics, the one in the middle SCARES ME, he looks like hes on crack
Leo- very cool, diffrent but cool
Raph- As much as I hate to say it, this really looks like him

While I may like most of these pis, I can't say if I am going to enjoy an entire book if this is how they will look, maybe its to early for me to tell, and maybe I'll get use to them, time will tell, but the boats still out for me if these new designs are a good idea

[Karpo_007]

Beaker has a point, I too wonder what happened to Lawssons style. Hi TMNT are still great, but backrounds and especially human charcaters need some serious work.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Yeah, the TMNT are perfect, but humans look kinda strange.

[CookSux]

I think if they made the TMNT look more like ninja warriors instead of hulking body builders, then it might make a little more sense. I'm not saying that the art is disgusting, it's great. Just doesn't feel like the TMNT to me. And yeah, the current TMNT b/w book sucks. I guess I just have a lot to complain about.

[Eye of Sarnath]

I fail to see how anyone could like the examples we have been presented with. Raph was okay. But he could be a LOT better.

[Anarchistguy]

OH COME ON!! don't you think you're exagerating just a bit?! he doesn't look THAT bad.

[Karpo_007]

Well he doesn't look like a ninja turtle as we know either...

[Psycrow]

Actually, I like the Raph picture very much. I would die to draw like that... Well, die after I could put that drawing skill to good use, haha. :D

[ninjapizza]

I'll still buy it. :D

[Greed]

And really thats all that matters :P

[ninjapizza]

Indeed. I think I'll pass judgement once I see the final result. (the art looks ok so far...)

[Aztec General]

Wait a minute, stop the presses!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

These drawings are NOT be Pat Lee, I repeat NOT by Pat Lee. They are drawn by artist Lesean Thomas hence the "LeS" on the signature. Check the third link on Beaker's original post. According to him he's doing the artwork for Dreamwave's TMNT. If you check his profile it's listed there as his current project.

It also states that there is an upcoming Dreamwave TMNT miniseries!!!!!

Maybe Pat Lee is only doing inking, coloring, or covers?

[tekcop]

Wait a minute, stop the presses!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

These drawings are NOT be Pat Lee, I repeat NOT by Pat Lee. They are drawn by artist Lesean Thomas hence the "LeS" on the signature. Check the third link on Beaker's original post. According to him he's doing the artwork for Dreamwave's TMNT. If you check his profile it's listed there as his current project.

It also states that there is an upcoming Dreamwave TMNT miniseries!!!!!

Maybe Pat Lee is only doing inking, coloring, or covers?
Um... I thought everybody knew that Thomas dude was the artist?

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Look what I scored, from browsing the Penny Arcade forums:

http://www.silver3.com/Testing%sh**/LeSean/Images/Large/mike.jpg

http://lesean.defuser.net/art/BHMstudies.jpg

http://lesean.defuser.net/

HFS!!! And I thought the new TMNT cartoon designs rocked...these designs IMHO blow everything Ive seen away(and that includes the 80's Mirage stuff) I hat eto use this expression, but these new TMNT designs look sick as all get out.

I'm sorry, but I have a problme thinking these are legit. The artist is Pat Lee, correct? That really doesn't look like his tyle or signature.

[Caliosidhe]

Uh.. I think everyone reading the whole thread realizes that it's LeSean's art. I mean, the links are directly off of his homepage and all...

LOL I think some people are missing reading the whole thread ;)

I think I've decided no to worry too much over tehse sketches.. They seem like very early conceptual design (I hope) I don't think this guy is the only one working on the book (Again I hope) Which means he could be a long way away from a final design.

Heck, Eastman and Laird's first designs ended up changing a whole lot before the first book was turned out..

[Karpo_007]

True, thats why we need to see some real art. So Pat Lee is not involved... How good is this Lesean guy?

[tekcop]

Look what I scored, from browsing the Penny Arcade forums:

http://www.silver3.com/Testing%sh**/LeSean/Images/Large/mike.jpg

http://lesean.defuser.net/art/BHMstudies.jpg

http://lesean.defuser.net/

HFS!!! And I thought the new TMNT cartoon designs rocked...these designs IMHO blow everything Ive seen away(and that includes the 80's Mirage stuff) I hat eto use this expression, but these new TMNT designs look sick as all get out.

I'm sorry, but I have a problme thinking these are legit. The artist is Pat Lee, correct? That really doesn't look like his tyle or signature.
Um... as Rat King just said, that's because the artist is Sean LeThomas, not Pat Lee.

[CookSux]

Now, whoever thought that these sketches were done by Pat Lee must be blind. Even the signature says Les. Then again everyone assumes that just because Dreamwave is doing something that Pat Lee has his fingers on it... and that's partially true. I bet Pat Lee's going to want to do some covers, and a couple books. That cocky punk! Haha.

[Aztec General]

Now, whoever thought that these sketches were done by Pat Lee must be blind. Even the signature says Les. Then again everyone assumes that just because Dreamwave is doing something that Pat Lee has his fingers on it... and that's partially true. I bet Pat Lee's going to want to do some covers, and a couple books. That cocky punk! Haha.

1) Pat Lee had been previously connected as the artist to this series.
2) "LeS" looks a lot like "Lee" if you don't look very carefully and you are expecting to see "Lee"

[Karpo_007]

So can someone post some Les's art for speculation?

[CookSux]

1) Pat Lee had been previously connected as the artist to this series.
2) "LeS" looks a lot like "Lee" if you don't look very carefully and you are expecting to see "Lee"

1) That's what I've been told, but if you read the information on LeS' webpage, he clearly states that he's the one doing the book.
2) It does, but if you know that Pat Lee's signature looks different, then that's a whole different thing altogether.

Now getting back to the subject, I still don't like LeS' work too much. You can find his stuff on his webpage http://lesean.defuser.net/ or the "secret" folder http://lesean.defuser.net/art with other works. That's where I found the 'Ralph' picture.

[Karpo_007]

I can see why you don't like his art... That Lee guys art looked good, but I don't think I like Lesean's. Of course I did'nt see any inked pics on that page, they could look better.

[beaker]

Beaker has a point, I too wonder what happened to Lawssons style. Hi TMNT are still great, but backrounds and especially human charcaters need some serious work.

Yeah, I SO did not mean to diss LAwson's legacy with the TMNT. I have almost all his 80's TMNT work and think its some of th ebest Mirage released stuff next to the Eastman/Laird stuff. However, Im not sure if he does both the pencils and inks...but my three complains are:
way too much stimpling(the dots everywhere thing), the turtles look like square blocks, and those humans...oh man.

As for the Pat Lee thing, he was connected to the project as far as Dreamwave is practically Payt Lee's baby. Same way Stan Lee is connected to Marvel stuff. And yes, these are just early preliminary sketches, but I find something so refreshing with em...yeah they are a bit more strange anime urban style, but its new and unique. Dont get me wrong, I LOVE the new TMNT character designs on the new cartoon...but this will frther broaded the TMNT revival for folks who still think "TMNT is kiddy shite". Think about it, this could really pave the way for some cool stuff that previously wouldnt even been touched upon(Dreamwave titles can be very dark and violent)...and if nothing else gives us more TMNT media to celebrate in 2003!

My only problem is I cant fidn any news on this on the official Dreamwave site, and have no idea when we can expect this comic.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Mikey still looks like a frog. Change that and we're gettin' better.

http://lesean.defuser.net/art/BHMstudies.jpg

They look good there.

[Caliosidhe]

Mikey still looks like a frog. Change that and we're gettin' better.

http://lesean.defuser.net/art/BHMstudies.jpg

They look good there.

Not just a frog.. A GANGSTA frog. LOL

[Eye of Sarnath]

A gangsta frog who's smoked a little too much pot...

[Wuffle]

Pencils can be about as influential on the final outcome of a comic as a bunch of stick figure drawings. It's the inks and tones that'll determine the look and design of the end product. For example, the old Mirage issues Jim penciled that Kevin and/or Peter inked for were phenomenal. As for why Jim's stuff (especially in drawing humans) seems to have degraded since then, it might just be Peter who's lost it, seeing as how he's the main ink&toner. Looking back on old Jim work for comparison(at the moment, Sons of the Silent Age), it seems more likely that the current Mirage comic style resembles Peter's more than Jim's. He always did have sorta a "blocky" style anyway, and his toning quality seems to have lessened some :P

As for the Dreamwave studies, I like their dynamic look, though I don't think I could stand that fat, froggy-looking Leo for very long. That squint-eye facial expression style is being done in current comics/cartoons ad nauseum, too.

..."Mike is a cobble shell". What brought that on? *thumbs through old Mirage books*

[Karpo_007]

So the inks can make that much a diffrence? I have noticed that the style of corrent volume resebles the planet racers series. But I can't belive Laird's lost it just yet.

[CookSux]

The inks make a lot of difference. Aside from the penciller just putting in the rough sketche lines... the inker cleans everything up, as well as add detail and shadows that weren't present.

[Kali]

The inks make a lot of difference. Aside from the penciller just putting in the rough sketche lines... the inker cleans everything up, as well as add detail and shadows that weren't present.
That... doesn't sound right. In all the things I've read, the inker just inks over the already existing pencils, cleaning them up, but it's basically the same picture, only darker. It's a lot harder than it sounds, you can't erase ink. Sketch lines can be very distracting. I guess it would depend on the relationship between the penciler and inker, though. If the penciller is fine with the inker altering their work...

But true, inks make a big difference in art, if done right. They make images more intense, crisper, and bring out more details. Inkers also has to take into account whether there's going to be color or not.

[Sparvid]

For an exapmle on inkers, read Savage Dragon #100. Erik Larsen penciled the whole issue (100 pages) but everything except the first part was inked by different inkers.

[LeSean]

So can someone post some Les's art for speculation?


Thanx all for your interest in my works. I've been checking my hits and came across this link as its been giving me a huge amount of hits as of late. Thanx for the support!

Just so you guys arent banging your heads against the wall trying to assume and guess and figure out whats what about this series, its a 5 issue mini. Written by Peter David. pencils by me. its directly based off of the new animated series on TV now. as well is the style, so accept it or not :lol:


This run is for the fans of turtles PERIOD. Color AND Black and white. For a WIDER audience, Not just a small niche of die hard lovers, respectfully :wink:! ALso, you'll know that Mirage and 4Kids entertainment guides us on strict approval so theres no inconsisencies of the gang. it's not just a Dreamwave-project, its a coolaboration with Mirage.

For Karpo's inqueries. Pick up Dreamwave's "Arkanium" run for questions on my past works. the sketches are my site were a decision leaked through Pat and myself for people who are interested in new turtles stuff. the concepts you see were from august of 2002. so you can make your decisions on the book based off of 6 month old sketches if ya wanna, but be ready for the book when it drops this June ( YES , THIS JUNE!) before you make your final decision! :P

hope that answers your questions. Thats all for now, i wont answer anymore, :lol: just keep an eye out for newsarama and Wizard magazine for upcoming ecitement on this hot new project of 2003! thanx again!

LeSean Thomas,

[Anarchistguy]

Hey LesSan! Welcome to the forums!!!

[Karpo_007]

Thanks, that cleared out a lot of questions. Well If Mirage is indeed involved, Then the mini series is indeed a must buy.

[HorseTechie]

Woo.. from the horse's mouth himself! :D

Thanks LeSean for stopping by to clear up the madhouse of questions that had been bouncing around here. The project does sound promising, and I will be looking forward to seeing the comic in June (give or take a month).

[beaker]

but be ready for the book when it drops this June ( YES , THIS JUNE!) before you make your final decision! :P

hope that answers your questions. Thats all for now, i wont answer anymore, :lol: just keep an eye out for newsarama and Wizard magazine for upcoming ecitement on this hot new project of 2003! thanx again!

LeSean Thomas,

Thank you so much for dropping by! WOW...this summer is looking to be too kick butt...what with the new Matrix film, Animatrix, Hulk, Xmen 2, T3, and now this. Weve all been wondering when this thign was gonna hit!

Also thanks for clearing up some stuff and giving us the low down!
So cannot wait for this...anways, welcome aboard!

[Sparvid]

:teek: Iiiih, a celebrity on these boards! :lol:

[Aztec General]

This is why I love cyberspace you never know who is reading :D !!!!

Wow, that's amazing thanks for the info Lesean! I'll definetely be picking it up. This series definetely has some promise.



P.S. Judging from the post it seems legit to me, so I believe it's him. If it turns out not to be then so be it.

[Karpo_007]

I believe it too. And because of Mirage's involvment, There is no chance that it would be anything but good. Or maybe great.

[Aztec General]

By the way, maybe someone should alert Krang and Shredder and have Lesean's post be a "News" item. This way everyone gets a chance to hear him, instead of just us in the Comics Forum.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, It's not often we got "turtle officials" on the board...

[LeSean]

Sure guys, not a problem :)

see you all soon!

[GK Punk]

Aw comeone LeS, you had to know that you'd run in to picky turtle fans that may not like the sketeches :P

Basically, I'll wait for some inked pics before deciding if I like it or not (Which I planned to do anyways) And seeing as how PD is writing, Ill probably pick up atleast one issue.

PS: To LeS:

No offence was meant if My Comments over your art hurt your feelings (Im a musician, and a writer I understand), however I stick by what I said those sketches just didn;t do it for me, sorry.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah... Just a hint, You should go for something like this: http://www.planetracers.com/blast/tmnt50coverpencilssm.jpg

My favorite pencil yet...

[CookSux]

Ditto, all I know is how to criticize, and people say it's because I'm insecure about myself but that's not true. I just do it because it's fun to do it. I said that I liked your choreography and overall style in your work, just that the 6 month old turtle sketches didn't look like what I expected. Good drawings, but mos def look like balding fat men to me...

BTW PLEASE!!! PLEASE!!! Don't go overboard with the alternate covers!!!! I mean, Dreamwave is infamous with the bajillion cover varients. I'd understand for maybe issue one and reprints, but hopefully we'll have a kickass cover that'll do it for everyone eh? Then again Dreamwave can milk the fans for all the money if they did... like the Transformers books....

[beaker]

Heh, if only the new Mirage TMNT series looked a third a good as that old 80's glory ya posted Karpo.

[Karpo_007]

That would be a dream... Sadly Laird isn't pencilling it. Lawsson's art during city at war was great, but it has changed..

[Donatelloz]

yea no kidding. Why do they have to keep changing their look???

[Donatello02]

The Dreamwave look isn't as bad as you guys are sayin, but it could under go some touch ups. I bet the final product will clean, and very good.

What NEEDS to be done is we should all call Peter Laird and get him to hire CookSux to do the new comic!

[Karpo_007]

I think Lawsson is doing the new volume same way he did Planetracers. The humans look just the same. His Turtles still look great, but Bacrounds and humans sadly doesn't.... wonder why he can't go back to his old style.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Heh, if only the new Mirage TMNT series looked a third a good as that old 80's glory ya posted Karpo.

Funny thing is that issue came out in 1992. So it's early 90's glory. :wink:

[Apple Cat]

---delete this

[LeSean]

No offence was meant if My Comments over your art hurt your feelings (Im a musician, and a writer I understand), however I stick by what I said those sketches just didn;t do it for me, sorry.


No need to apologize. i'm a professional.:P i do what i'm told, collaborate and what ever it takes to get to the end product( with a lil bit of "me" in it). I"m too thorough and seasoned to let someones personal taste and preference opposite of my own determine my worth as a producer. I'm not asking for your approval, as long as Dreamwave/Mirage gives the thumbs up, Thats all that matters. Like Jay-Z says "...Oh, you not feelin me? Fine. It costs you nothing. pay me no mind." :Dlol!

In general, if you like it, then we can relate. If not, then its obviously not for you:D

Thanx for the support y'all!!

[Eye of Sarnath]

So... could you give us an idea what the current state of the comic is? :) How soon can we expect any official info on it? Pictures of it in a more or less finished state?

[Karpo_007]

Yes, few finished pencils would be nice.

[Eye of Sarnath]

I doubt we'll see them anytime soon, but we can ask. :wink:

[HorseTechie]

Geez... you guys are being borderline mean with your pickiness on LeSean's art style! That's almost like going to Lawson directly and telling him he best match Laird's style more. But you know what Laird will say to that. "If you don't like it, don't buy it"! (aka, build a bridge and get over it) This not a matter of him being tough to our criticism... it's a matter of getting quite fed up with whiney fanboys who don't seem to be happy with whatever they do.

And there are quite a few of 'their eyes' checking here. I don't know how Pwedesai gets away with all the shtuff he does, but the one time out of all my stupidity, I had posted a full scan of one of Laird's new issues.. he promptly found out somehow the next day and emailed me personally to remove it! :oops:

[Karpo_007]

I don't think anyone has said nything that serious. Those are old early sketches and should be considered as such.

And about Lawssons style, We know that he can do better. We have seen it in "City of War". I think it is his choice to draw that way, because Planet Racer's style is almost identical.

[CookSux]

Haha, if Mirage hired me, the only thing I'd be qualified for would be to do the janitorial work. Haha. But yeah, you guys don't know who's cruisin this page... and considering that this is one of, if not the biggest, tmnt community you know? Oh well. Back on topic, I'm sure the book will be good enough for me to buy it and stuff it in my box.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, this is the biggest TMNT community in the world... Atleast I don't know any one that would have more active members.

[The_Realest]

The art that you posted, Karpo, was fantastic. Which book was that picture from?

[Eye of Sarnath]

That was from the City at War series, issue fifty, I think.

[Karpo_007]

Yes issue 50. That is the finished cover Pencil by Peter Laird. That issue had probably the best TMNT art that will ever be created, it was the last issue Eastman and Laird did together.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Yeah... Just a hint, You should go for something like this: http://www.planetracers.com/blast/tmnt50coverpencilssm.jpg

My favorite pencil yet...

:o :) :D

Niiiiiice...

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, extremely.

[Apple Cat]

---delete this

[The_Realest]

I'll have to check that ish out. That art absolutely blows away every other art piece I've seen of TMNT, especially these rough sketches.

[azure turtle]

Wow! LeSean Thomas actually paid a visit to these forums? Incredible. I like his style of drawing, and seeing the TMNT drawn differently is always refreshing. Can't wait to pick up the mini-series in June.

[The Lone Turtle]

just wondering, does anyone know if these new TMNT comics will be distributed internationally? Or will I have to import them all?

[Karpo_007]

I know I will. They might come to UK, tough.

[Dinny]

I know I will. They might come to UK, tough.

Ye my comic guy sed hes expecting Dreamwave TMNT.

[TMNT_4ever]

Well, I was going to post that I like those sketches (and they're JUST sketches) but then the artist showed up so now I'll just look like a fanboy. :)
But his art is really cool, it has an animation feel to it. The figures have real weight and motion, which is hard to do (just try it). Check out the stuff on that "secret" page, it looks like roughs from an animation project. The guy can draw. But yeah, those Turtle heads look froggy. Hopefully he's changed them in the past 6 months. It's cool he came here. :)

I agree that Lawson has lost something over the years. He's always done stylized stuff, but it's getting too whacked now, and the stippling is overdone.

Anyway, I look forward to this Dreamwave series.

Had to edit because I messed up. What I wrote was I don't think the book can come out in June because we haven't seen it in Previews, and then I realized it's March not April. :)

I like Peter David's writing, but his new Captain Marvel series suXXors. I hope he writes the TMNT ALOT better than that.

[tmnt in 2003]

So this 'mini series' is going to mimic the first few eps completley?? Kinda like the first few issues of Archie

[beaker]

The incredible thing is, last April when the new revisioned Transformers Dreamwave titles came to mind immediately I thought of the other kickass 80's thing, the TMNT. I thought how cool itd be to have a modern color manga reinterpetation of the TMNT Dreamwave style. So hearing this news is too cool. The fact its TMNT alone with help sell this new series through the roof. Yeah, Lawson's current series sure AINT no City At War.
I know more than a few people are very disinterested in the current TMNT due to its lack of moderness, such is why this is such a great move for the TMNT. The fact that from the rough sketches alone, Im extremely excited...and Mirage is behind the efforts...(plus look whio they got writing!) this is very very cool.

[Karpo_007]

Well I was hoping for more than a 5 issue miniseries, but I will be happy with what I get.

[CookSux]

Knowing Dreamwave, they'll just keep putting out a whole bunch of different miniseries, so it'd basically be the same thing.

[Karpo_007]

Oh... Let's hope so.

[The_Realest]

So...this is basically gonna' be a mini series based off of the first episodes of the new 'toon? That's kinda' disappointing, as I was hoping for something totally new. Hopefully if it catches on and they continue the series, it'll take a life of its own as the Archie series did.

[CookSux]

Well I'd hate to compare it to the Transformers comics, partially because Transformers has a deeper history and variation to it... but here's how Dreamwave managed it...

6 issue mini-series (Generation 1 [original series])
Ongoing series (Transformers Armada [current cartoon])
6 issue mini-series (War Within [takes place before the original series])

Upcoming

6 issue mini-series (Generation 1 volume 2)

that's a lot of books, especially considering that there were nearly 2 variant covers for every issue on average. Now some possibilities for the Ninja Turtles?

Mini-series regarding the TMNT = 1 story arc

Just consider how many story arcs you can make with the turtles, and Dreamwave has itself an infinit amount of mini-series if handled correctly. (They might lose the Transformers license because the sales have been dropping).

[lethrhd]

Them pics looked mighty good to me, I guarowntee... I dont much care for no pupils in them eyes dough'.

[HorseTechie]

Well I'd hate to compare it to the Transformers comics, partially because Transformers has a deeper history and variation to it... but here's how Dreamwave managed it...

6 issue mini-series (Generation 1 [original series])
Ongoing series (Transformers Armada [current cartoon])
6 issue mini-series (War Within [takes place before the original series])

Ahh.. I just read a discusion on this in a EZboard TF forums. They said the War Within is based completely off of a Dreamwave story, since it does not use all the etails from the original G1 comic, and also uses some story from the G1 cartoon/movie.

As far as Armada goes... the comic is slightly different from the show (I heard the comic reads much better too). But those redesigns on the old characters are still too weird for this G1 fan, thus I digress from Armada.

Hence... very likely the new TMNT comic might be like the archies. Starts off the same, but goes in a different direction. We'll have to see!

[CookSux]

Ahh.. I just read a discusion on this in a EZboard TF forums. They said the War Within is based completely off of a Dreamwave story, since it does not use all the etails from the original G1 comic, and also uses some story from the G1 cartoon/movie.

As far as Armada goes... the comic is slightly different from the show (I heard the comic reads much better too). But those redesigns on the old characters are still too weird for this G1 fan, thus I digress from Armada.

Hence... very likely the new TMNT comic might be like the archies. Starts off the same, but goes in a different direction. We'll have to see!

Well the War Within book is totally original, but it is supposed take place before the G1 series... thus most the original characters like Optimus Prime and Grimlock have their Cybertronian bodies, as compared to their reformatted Earth bodies as seen in the original cartoon. The Armada book is based on the cartoon because it uses the same characters, but isn't a direct cartoon to book transfer. The characters themselves are totally unique, even though they have the same names. Most Transformers series are like that, like Beast Wars.

[tOkKa]

-->> ..ah,Horsie Turtle lady.. :goofygri:
http://dreamwave.safeshopper.com/images/d0tzol3.jpg

[Nate]

Holy old thread Bat Man!

[CoolWhip]

....

Well, I don't really like them either.

Anyone know when the book is supposed to be out?

lol. my opinion sure has changed.... :D

sorry LeSean.

[HorseTechie]

-->> ..ah,Horsie Turtle lady.. :goofygri:
http://dreamwave.safeshopper.com/images/d0tzol3.jpg
*blinks*

*tries not to not drool too much over her favorite DW Screamer litho*


:goofygri: What ...? What're trying to tell me, Tok?

[Cascadia]

the art in the DW does not look bad at all.