New Episode Discussion - Darkness on the edge of town

[DarthRaphael]

Discuss today's episode!

[Eye of Sarnath]

It was awesome! :o

Classic TMNT. Shredder, giant weapons, you know. Plus some great ninja action. Face it, you've always wanted to see the TMNT duke it out with the Foot on what looked like a pirate ship (and I didn't think they used ships like that anymore).

What the heck was that thing Shredder wanted from the lake?

[popkornLT]

WOW! That was the BEST thing I've ever seen in a cartoon, or even TV show. Seriously, this episode was perfectly amazing in every way. It know holds a solid position as my favorite Turtle-thing EVER second only to the first movie, and that is HUGE. The story was amazing, I wont leave any spoilers here, but I was in awe of how much better it kept getting as it went on. SO much amazing fighting, and the best use of weapons ever. And the only thing I'll say specifically about the episode - Shredder kicking ass against the Foot Clan?!?! WOW, he's actually a NINJA this time around unlike the old cartoon. PERFECT. A++++++ BEST EPISODE OF ANYTHING EVER!!!!!!

[Dontebell]

boy sherdder kill anyone who fail him.

and the skatebord and rollerskate remind me of the cgi hover board sence.

[SlayerX]

It was a good episode :D much better than nano :wink: that sword is pretty cool, the sword of tengu. what was that suit thing or whatever it was that they pulled out of the water?? i had no idea, and its driving me crazy as to what it is / does :( next weeks episode is the debut of the foot tech ninja, WOO! what was up with baxters eye patch? could it be.. covering a black eye? *cough* hun *cough* :lol:

[Eye of Sarnath]

So I'm not the only one who thought it was great I guess. Nice return to the main storyline.

[SlayerX]

So I'm not the only one who thought it was great I guess.

Definatly not :evilgrin: this was a great episode

[Mr. Snackpants]

It was a pretty good episode but not as good as I thought it was gunna be. Next weeks looks really good. Baxter, Foot Tech Ninjas, and Hun fighting the turtles, gunna be awsome.

DR
You guys should serioulsy post "Partial Spoiler" in your posts when you give info like this. I am one who dosen't want to know what the next episode holds, and I get kind of annoyed when I start reading a post and the plot is given away. Please be mindful of your posts. This is for EVERYONE.

Thanks
DarthRaphael
/DR

[Eye of Sarnath]

Nah, this episode was one of the best.

[Storm Wolf]

I thought it was pretty good.....the next episode looks very exciting as well!

[Keno]

It was a graet episode. Lots of action! Great fight scenes.
Loved the part where Mikey got the pirate accent and then he was like "uhh.forget the blow me over part!"

NEXT WEEKS looks SOOOOOOO good!!!!!!!!!! :o

[Nturtle]

Okay, I don't think it was "the best thing ever" :P But it was good!!
I didn't like that first fight with the bicycles and scooters, that was just weird :|
The later fight was preety good. Yeah it had Shredder beating people up, awesome of course!!!! :D :D
I don't know about that sword though, it was kind of weird, I mean it shoots crazy waves, and what the hell was that thing Shredder was after, the body with the seaweed or whatever :-?
This Episode gets a.... 8.6 out of 10

[Dontebell]

the foot tech ninjas are robot? cool!

[SlayerX]

Okay, I don't think it was "the best thing ever" :P But it was good!!
I didn't like that first fight with the bicycles and scooters, that was just weird :|
The later fight was preety good. Yeah it had Shredder beating people up, awesome of course!!!! :D :D
I don't know about that sword though, it was kind of weird, I mean it shoots crazy waves, and what the hell was that thing Shredder was after, the body with the seaweed or whatever :-?
This Episode gets a.... 8.6 out of 10

The question that everyone asks, and noone knows :lol: :P

[Eye of Sarnath]

It looked like a corpse... but I doubt that's what it was.

[SlayerX]

To me it looked like a shredder costume... but then he had his in that case in his throne room :( also that thing they pulled out of the water had no left hand :P ...or maybe it was right :goofygri:

Also, I wonder if Oroku Saki (Sp?) is like me, never leaving his room :lol: I cant wait til he turns into Shredder, that is gonna be a sweet episode :D :D

[HorseTechie]

I thought it was another wierd Utrom artifact, since it couldn't be Cyborg Baxter... :D

[Eye of Sarnath]

Utroms, good thought. At first I thought it was Cyborg Baxter too! :P

[Mr. Snackpants]

are the foot tech ninjas robot? cause in the preview it showed don giving out goggles and said even if they are invincible, they give of body heat.

[Storm Wolf]

I don't know if anyone else agrees but I think Shredder was a pretty kick-ass fighter!

I think some of the fighting scenes were great...lots of action though! Can't wait to see when the Turtles get to battle Shredder.....thats gonna be some fight!

[Raphael-sama]

GAH! I turned off the TV before I could watch the preview for next week's episodes... bah...

Right then. This episode, as I figured, kicked all sorts of ass. Plenty of Saki, lots of Ninja action, and foreshadowing of things to come with Splinter. (of course, WE know it already, so it matters little. :D) I am TOTALLY digging Shredder in this cartoon- he hands TMNTG1's Shredder his helmet - COVERED IN POOP! Training his troops, zero tolerance for failure (and doing it the PROPER villian way, instead of shouting hundreds of different variations on "YOU FOOLS!") And look! Marty Isenberg! Huzzah!

[Eye of Sarnath]

are the foot tech ninjas robot? cause in the preview it showed don giving out goggles and said even if they are invincible, they give of body heat.

No, they're human with special outfits. But even if they weren't human they would prolly still give off heat. Machines tend to do that.

[Dontebell]

i really missed the robot foot soldier,cause that way the turtles can use there weapons on them.

[HorseTechie]

Oh. I thought Shredder was good, as was in Foot.

And then.... notice the extreme turtles? :P

I liked the immplied theory behind that Sword of Tengu. It seems to feed off the persona chi energy to get it's static energy. Noticed that when it's held by a bare hand, it glows. But when the others hold it with that glov, it doesn't?

I had an idea for a sword like that i one fo my fanfics that involved Venus. Like she would sent her chi through the sword, instead of just using the ka mi. :evilgrin:

[Nturtle]

Well about the seaweed body thing...
Yeah it is probably something to do with the utroms because as Saki said "It proves the exisistence of my enimies" and that the sword can locate artifacts and it was an artifact of sorts...

[TheOldKing]

I wasn't able to hear the episode today. Anyone else have that problem? It was like watching a silent film, but the fighting and animation was very good. Is it airing again next weekend and if so, what time? The next one looks good too, I think Baxter might've lost an eye.

[HorseTechie]

i really missed the robot foot soldier,cause that way the turtles can use there weapons on them.
True.. but it looks like they might have some of those in the future too...

*wonders what the rule is about kncoking off cyborgs that are half human*

[TMNT571]

Yeah the new ep was great. But one thing i don't realy see leo as a scooterer. i mean i don't like that he needs something better

[SlayerX]

I wasn't able to hear the episode today. Anyone else have that problem? It was like watching a silent film, but the fighting and animation was very good. Is it airing again next weekend and if so, what time? The next one looks good too, I think Baxter might've lost an eye.

Did you at least watch it with Closed Caption on? :P I cant imagine watching a show silently... especially TMNT!!

[TMNT571]

i think they said at 9:00 next week and then the new one is still on at 10:30

[SlayerX]

Yeah the new ep was great. But one thing i don't realy see leo as a scooterer. i mean i don't like that he needs something better

LOL! I thought that was dumb, i can see Mike as a skateboarder, Raph as a rollerblader, but I think Leo should have been the biker, and Don be the scooterer ( :lol: ) I think someone like a leader should have something better than a freakin scooter! :goofygri:

[Nturtle]

i really didn't like any of heir vehicles except for of course the skateboard!! :D

[Eye of Sarnath]

The skateboard was cool, but Mike seems like the only one to me that would ride one.

[Dontebell]

since i never read the old comic book befor.did baxter turn back into a human?

and do the boat scence remind you of the turtles IV game?

[ninjapizza]

I thought Raph's blades were pretty cool. especially when he did that flip over the foot soldiers. I like how they incorporated the extreme vehicles without making it all "Rocket-Powery". Like, the turtles weren't yelling a whole bunch of slang words and such. It was actually pretty cool.

[Mr. Snackpants]

It's cool how the scooter and the bike can be so compact

[PanMan]

i think this ep was good but not great. i was expecting more from the preview, but it was still good anyways (definitely better than nano :wink: ).

i really didn't like the fight with the sports equipment . . . it was really cheesy :roll:

it was funny at the start when splinter was dodging the TMNT in the lair, especially when mike grabbed splinter's food :lol: . another thing was when the blackout occured in the lair . . . Dons like "maybe it's a blackout." and then i was thinking "maybe it's a way to cheap out on animation" :lol:

i'm also surprised with the animation . . . for example they never switched that glove from the left hand to the right hand (at least i didn't notice it if they did :wink: ). Although i didn't like raphs roller blades :goofygri:

i think that sword was pretty cool but i have no idea what that body in the river was. i'm watching the ep again so maybe i'll have an idea within the next 20min. :wink:

good episode, not the best but an 8.5 / 10 :)

[Mitril]

LOL! I thought that was dumb, i can see Mike as a skateboarder, Raph as a rollerblader, but I think Leo should have been the biker, and Don be the scooterer ( :lol: ) I think someone like a leader should have something better than a freakin scooter! :goofygri:
I agree with you. Thanks god Leo didn't fight with it like the other did. :dead:

Talking about Leo, anyone noticed that once again he saved Raph shell. I think he did it in every episode so far (not sure about "nano"). I loved that episode, great fighting scenes and funny lines. It was also cool to see Shredder in action, even if it was only training :D . But I want to know what was that thing they found in the water. An old magic armor ? An alien corpse ?

The next ep seems really good too (Raph and Casey seem to be captured by the foot clan). I'll have to wait another week before I find out for sure.....

[HorseTechie]

since i never read the old comic book befor.did baxter turn back into a human?
Nope.... he just walked out into the depths of the atlantic ocean, then the series ended.

[PanMan]

upon closer inspection, that body thing looks kinda like UltraMan Tiga without his left leg :-? :lol:

[slayer]

Now this was much better! Still not an all time great but a hell of a lot of fun. I just think that Saki looks well too skinny. Does anyone else think he looks a bit like Hamato Yoshi from the original TMNT series? The next episode looks truely awesome. Why does saturday only come once a week? Well I've had my turtle fix and now I'm off to enjoy my spring break.

[splint]

I loved how they had don doing alot of technical stuff in the fighting seens

[Mike]

are the foot tech ninjas robot? cause in the preview it showed don giving out goggles and said even if they are invincible, they give of body heat.

Invisible. He did not say invincible, he said invisible. I thought the episode was okay. I would have loved it, but the extreme Turtles kinda lowered my thoughts about it.

[BigThew]

I am postivie that the thing pulled out of the water was a Utrom

[WarmingTheCurb]

Like, the turtles weren't yelling a whole bunch of slang words and such. It was actually pretty cool.

haha what about "extreme green!"

that was dumb.

[Mitril]

Just a question. Saki talked about "his enemy", was he talking about the turtles or something else ?
(Not at the end of the ep, there I know he was talking about the turtles :P )

[Turtle_Power]

Did anyone else notice the purple dragon that looks like he could be rocksteady in the preview for next week? he even sorta talked like rocksteady... and as far as im concerned the extreme sports thing should be OBLITERATED. mikes the only one that should skate around all the time.
:evil:

[DonatelloTMNT23]

isn't that thing they drug outta the water the armor he was after? The full armor they showed looked like a hologram...so he was searching for the real thing...really really good episode

[WarmingTheCurb]

but how did the armor get in the lake?

[Turtle_Power]

He wasnt talking about the turles, he said his "old enemy"
the turtles started giving him shell recently :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[PanMan]

isn't that thing they drug outta the water the armor he was after? The full armor they showed looked like a hologram...so he was searching for the real thing...really really good episode


good eye! i thought that was just where he kept his suit; like some sort of box. now i can see that it was just a hologram.

and i knew that body thing looked a bit like shredder's armour . . .

[Turtle_Power]

it wasnt a hologram, the sword resonate when he held it near the armor
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Mitril]

also that thing they pulled out of the water had no left hand :P ...or maybe it was right :goofygri:
Could it be that the glove they were using to hold the sword of Tengu is part of that armor ?
(but I don't think the sword resonated to it, so I might be wrong)

[Turtle_Power]

it wasnt a hologram, the sword resonate when he held it near the armor
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[PanMan]

also that thing they pulled out of the water had no left hand :P ...or maybe it was right :goofygri:
Could it be that the glove they were using to hold the sword of Tengu is part of that armor ?

actually i think his arms were intact . . . but his left leg from the knee down was missing . . .

[PanMan]

it wasnt a hologram, the sword resonate when he held it near the armor
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

well i'm not too big an expert on the technology of the sword so i have no comment :wink:

[Mitril]

actually i think his arms were intact . . . but his left leg from the knee down was missing . . .
Thanks,
I'm gonna watch it again to see if I can find out more info about it.

[HorseTechie]

I loved how they had don doing alot of technical stuff in the fighting seens
Yeaah.. I seemed to noticed they focused on his fighting with the bo staff a lot more in this ep too.

Does anyone else think those night vision masks make the turtles look like freakier things? :P

[Turtle_Power]

hmmm if the artifact is an utrom, then what does ski plan to do with it......
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[HorseTechie]

...become a MORE powerful master of the universe!!! :P

[Turtle_Power]

good point :evilgrin:
:evil: :evilgrin:

[Turtle_Power]

Anyone else think its weird that when ever
Saki says/does omething praticularly sinister there's a funny oriental yell in the background?
:evil: :evilgrin: :evil: :evilgrin: :evil:

[PanMan]

well here's my hypothesis to what's going on here . . .

the body that they found was the body of a utrom because he says that the body is proof of "their" presence in this city ("their" refers to his enemies that have alluded him for so long; he never mentions the utroms specifically) . . .

shredder's armour was there with him (it wasn't a hologram) because he said that the sword of tengu can locate other artifacts that share its unique origin and it glowed when he held it near the armour . . .

he also says that the sword will help him locate those that he has been looking for all these years . . .

i don't know of shredder's history with the utroms in the comics (if any) but all fingers seem to point towards them . . .

[AIan]

it wasnt a hologram, the sword resonate when he held it near the armor
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

well i'm not too big an expert on the technology of the sword so i have no comment :wink:

I need to watch the episode again, as I didn't notice it looking much like a hologram, but perhaps the sword resonated to it because only some of it was really there? He had pieces of the armor, and the hologram filled in the display with the pieces he had yet to retrieve?

-Alan

[CoolWhip]

Great ep!

The fighting scenes really impress me. They're so good!

Not just the TMNT, but Shredder kicks serious butt too.

I can't wait for the next episode! :tparty:

[XERO]

Episode was tight, as usual.

I like the extreme vehicles the Turtles were riding. Don't forget, even though they're Ninja, they're still TEENAGERS! :D

SHREDDER NOW OFFICIALLY KICKS SERIOUS DONKEY!!

The best action I've seen so far. Keep it up Turtles! 8)

[The_Realest]

Great episode. IMO second to "Meet Casey Jones", howver I've yet to see #1 and #5 so far. Anyways, let me break it down.

Here's what works: Good job going back into the main plot with Shredder/Foot/Purple Dragons. So far the plot sees to be well written with this show. I loved the fighting between the Foot and turtles; not too violent but enough action to get us by. Saki was awesome when he was training, and I also like how he doesn't tolerate failures.

Here's what doesn't work: Where was Casey/April? Am I the only one that missed them? Also, please, GET RID OF THE DAMN EXTREME IDEA!!! IMO that's totally lame. As others have already said, only Mikey should really have an extreme vehicle.

Last word: Overall, as I said earlier, a great episode. Next week's episode looks even better and it also looks like the main plot gets developed more too. But back tho this week, I too believe the thing they pulled from the lake was Utrom-related. However, I never knew the Utroms were Shredder's enemies. Can anyone give me any history on this feud?

[Skeletoncrew]

Okay, I didn't like the "Extreme green" stuff...that was just filler. I can't help but feel that Splinter must have had a huge grin on his face when he heard them crash in the dark. :)

Saki. Oh baby, he took his shirt off! *Fangirl squeal* I'm also impressed by his ability to fight with those long baggy pants on. I also don't think the hologram theory being bandied about here is correct. I believe he pulled a utrom body suit out of the water. He already has his armor.

I do find the number of wooden ships docked in NYC to be a bit strange, but it did make for some cool fight scenes.

[Skeletoncrew]

Great episode. IMO second to "Meet Casey Jones", howver I've yet to see #1 and #5 so far. Anyways, let me break it down.

Here's what works: Good job going back into the main plot with Shredder/Foot/Purple Dragons. So far the plot sees to be well written with this show. I loved the fighting between the Foot and turtles; not too violent but enough action to get us by. Saki was awesome when he was training, and I also like how he doesn't tolerate failures.

Here's what doesn't work: Where was Casey/April? Am I the only one that missed them? Also, please, GET RID OF THE DAMN EXTREME IDEA!!! IMO that's totally lame. As others have already said, only Mikey should really have an extreme vehicle.

Last word: Overall, as I said earlier, a great episode. Next week's episode looks even better and it also looks like the main plot gets developed more too. But back tho this week, I too believe the thing they pulled from the lake was Utrom-related. However, I never knew the Utroms were Shredder's enemies. Can anyone give me any history on this feud?

1: The new Saki is a world away from the original cartoon one. But he still has a special place in my heart too. :)

2: We can't have every character in every episode. At least I feel now like April has a life outside of getting kidnapped and/or helping the turtles. I'm with you on the "down with extreme turtles" thing.

3: There is no history on it. This is a new universe, and it sounds like a totally new relationship between some of the character groups. I don't believe the Utroms and the Foot ever crossed paths in the Mirage series.

[malignant]

Good episode....i enjoyed the fight scenes....except with the roller blades and skooters and all....how lame and cheesy....to kiddish..ha...yes i realize its a kids show...but leave that crap out..it makes them look lame...

and the night vision and the air glider...seems to me they're trying to add way to many things to the cartoon to market.....the night vision made don look freaky too.haha..

but anyway....enough dissing..was a good episode....one of my favs so far.

[Aztec General]

Wow I'm so psyched to find out who Shredder's "enemies" are. I'm guessing the Utroms have something to do with it as well, but it's far too early to tell.

I liked this episode but there was some bad lines reminiscient of the first series "Extreme Green". I'm also not a fan of stupid fart jokes "Who smelt it dealt it" "Don't put the flame by Mikey...".

Otherwise I thought this episode was very interesting. I wished that they would have explained more of what the sword did and why it was so important. Next week's episode looks like it could be the best yet.

[TalonMC]

well here's my hypothesis to what's going on here . . .

the body that they found was the body of a utrom because he says that the body is proof of "their" presence in this city ("their" refers to his enemies that have alluded him for so long; he never mentions the utroms specifically) . . .

shredder's armour was there with him (it wasn't a hologram) because he said that the sword of tengu can locate other artifacts that share its unique origin and it glowed when he held it near the armour . . .

he also says that the sword will help him locate those that he has been looking for all these years . . .

i don't know of shredder's history with the utroms in the comics (if any) but all fingers seem to point towards them . . .

Exactly what I'm thinking. The body has gotta be an Utrom exoskeleton. It looked metal... robotic. And they never showed the front view... because it has an empty stomach cavity I bet.

And to answer the question you sorta asked, PanMan... Shredder and the Utroms never had any interaction in the original comic. They never met... never even knew the other existed.

Very interesting that both the sword *and* Shredder's armor are made of "alien" metal. Also interesting that the sword is from the 11th century, according to Splinter. If in fact, those artifacts *are* made of some type of Utrom alloy, that would indicate that the Utroms themselves were on Earth centuries ago. Quite different from their comic book counterparts who were only on Earth for a decade or so.

Overall, great episode! Awesome fights and a few more pieces to the much larger puzzle. Outstanding show all around!

As for next week, when I saw the new "cloaked" Tech-Ninjas the first thing that popped into my mind was *Predator*. :P

-MC

[HorseTechie]

Last word: Overall, as I said earlier, a great episode. Next week's episode looks even better and it also looks like the main plot gets developed more too. But back tho this week, I too believe the thing they pulled from the lake was Utrom-related. However, I never knew the Utroms were Shredder's enemies. Can anyone give me any history on this feud?
This is the part that intriques me the most. How did it come to be that the Foot are enemies with the Utroms. This seems to be a new plotbunny as opposed to the comics and movies.

But I like this twist, and I'm certianly looking forward to the next ep(s) to see what they are enemies.

About the Extreme gear... it did seem to not give the TMNT the edge when they tried to intervene with the Foot in the museum, it seemed. I was laughing at the irony of how Leo was stuck fighting off the soldiers hand and foot, and the other guys on their wheels are sayin "We're coming!"... but it seemed like a few looong seconds passed until they appear. Then the Ninja split by the time they do. :roll:

[Eye of Sarnath]

Plus the return of Casey, doin' what he does best... kicking ass!

I want to see a fight between Shredder and Casey. Now that would be awesome. A little short though (Shredder would win, without question).

[tekcop]

Hmm... I never thought about the Utroms as the enimies Shredder kept on mentioning. I was thinking it might have something to do with Hamato Yoshi or something....

[Eye of Sarnath]

So did I... I would never have thought of the Utroms. Maybe they plan to use the super-advanced space technology to build the suits for the Tech Ninjas. :ohwell:

[cqb101]

I loved the episode.....Definately my fav so far.......

[Donatelloz]

Really mine has been and most likley will always be Meet Casey Jones

[Cascadia]

This episode was very funny in some parts. I could not stop snickering. :lol:

[Kali]

Rant time...

The best part about the Turtles' "playtime" at the beginning was when they all were going past/over/under Splinter, and he just kept moving. Dang, he's got some got moves. Unlike the boys, who crashed as soon as the lights went out, some ninja they are!

Collapsible wheels. Sweet. Almost makes me wanna go out and exercise. Almost. But they simply aren't as cool as the Foot's gear.

Got a kick out of Leo's duel with the bo-weilding Foot ninja. Guess they worked out how to deal with the whole "broken bo" thing. :D And Don's jousting was a riot! "Blades and blades" "Bowling for ninjas!" Very funny and slap-sticky but still exciting and not too corny. And then they crash again. "I sense a teamwork training session in our future." I totally agree, Mikey.

Cool magic sword! Probably not magic, but advanced technology, but I thought it was cool when it glowed near the Shredder armor. Does this mean Shredder's magic too? :???: By the way, Saki rules. He kicked all the ninjas butts and all without a shirt. :evilgrin:

So, Splinter's really upset by this Foot thing. Wow, it's weird seeing him so... harsh would be the word I'd use. No wonder the guys are curious, I'd be too. Course, I'd go anyway, I have no respect for authority. But I loved Leo's "It's tough being the leader" line. LOL! Ironic, most times so far he's just gone along with the others, with the exception being in battle.

Okay, so the Foot and the Turtles start their fight on the ship. Great moves. Raph climbs up the ropes, and Foot soldier slashes and...

MY TV GOES BLACK!

Gah!!!!!!!! Evil Fox cut the show! They showed the preview of next week, then showed The Cramp Twins! There was still ten minutes left! *collapses into a puddle*

[Jephael]

I thought Raph's blades were pretty cool. especially when he did that flip over the foot soldiers. I like how they incorporated the extreme vehicles without making it all "Rocket-Powery". Like, the turtles weren't yelling a whole bunch of slang words and such. It was actually pretty cool.

I loved that scene, it was my favorite part! The bit with Splinter dodging them reminds me a scene they once did in the old cartoon where the turtles were rough housing while he was trying to have a snack in the living room, but he wasn't so lucky then.

[Shellfox]

So I guess I'm the only one who thought that Don geting the glove on seemed strange, he went from having 2 rather large fingers to 4 small ones, and I'm the only one who thinks this is a bit odd?

I thought the Utrom and the sword was a nice touch, though a bit showy, and I can see the body they pulled out maybe looking sorta like Krangs body when its cleaned up.

Didn't like the xtreme sports moments, though I did like Raph and Mike but Leos was way out of place, and dons could have been used better.

[J Legault]

Much better!!!!!

This one was alot better than Nano, and I diside to skip that Nano episode and watch the New instead. Here are some ratings of the 6 episodes so far:
5-EXCELLENT Must see episode 4-Very Good 3-Needs better stuff 2-Who wrote that?!? 1-Bad one 0-Worst episode ever!

Things Change:4 1/2
Attack of the Mousers:4 1/2
Attack of the Mousers Part 2:5
Meet Casey Jones:5
Nano:3 1/2
Darkness at the Edge of Town:5

So in this one is the first apprence of the Turtle's Extreme Vechiles. And what makes this one a 5 score is it had the Foot Clan, They were last seen in "Things Change". Ouka Saki is just 1 step forward to become Shredder. That Shock Wave Sword has alot of secrets to other artifacts. One of those Techno Guys with the weird goggles did appear in "Attack of the Mousers 2". I think Saki got a bet angry over them. I thought it was funny when Hun grab the two techno guys for some consiversy. The Seaweed body has some conection to Shredder's Suit. And there will be more when Saki faces THE SUIT! I'll wait for episode 7: "The Way of Invisibility".

[J Legault]

Now this was much better! Still not an all time great but a hell of a lot of fun. I just think that Saki looks well too skinny. Does anyone else think he looks a bit like Hamato Yoshi from the original TMNT series? The next episode looks truely awesome. Why does saturday only come once a week? Well I've had my turtle fix and now I'm off to enjoy my spring break.

He didn't really look like Hamato yoshi. When they show an origin of Splinter as a pet rat they'll show what Hamato Yoshi looks like.
The only thing Saki didn't have was a scar.

[Jephael]

That would mean that Splinter never scratched up Saki's face like he did (if he did though, Splinter would be missing a piece of his ear)

[Karpo_007]

Great episode! Lots of action, great animation, good story, more on Saki... I loved every things about it! But if this keeps going, Saki will run out of henchmen soon...

[Nturtle]

Yeah, but I actually liked that whole thing with Splinter, Shredder and the ear in the movie. It gave Shredder more of a reason to have a personal vendetta against Splinter in paticular like in the old toon. One of the problems I think in the comics is that Shredder does not really have any reason to hate Splinter except that he was Yoshi's pet

[Karpo_007]

It's not a problem, Since thats how it originally was. Saki probably doesn't even know who Splinter is. It's Splinter who has the vendetta.

[malignant]

just got dont watchig the episode again..

its no doubt the sword belongs to the Utroms...if you watch when splinters putting it up..and the sword sparkles....there is a Utrom on the Handle...

also...I im sure it was shredders suit that they pulled out of the ocean...and the suit he had was just a hologram. Why else would he talk about the sword as finding artifacts right infront of the holographic suit?..its the only reason.....only thing shredder has so far is the blades on his hand.

and lastly...the more i watch the "extreme crap"..i cant stand it ha..kid show or not..it makes them look and sound so gay.

[HorseTechie]

So I guess I'm the only one who thought that Don geting the glove on seemed strange, he went from having 2 rather large fingers to 4 small ones, and I'm the only one who thinks this is a bit odd?
Hrmm.. I didn't even think about that. :lol:

I did think it was not like Don to grab a sword that obviously had a charge flowing through it. If I were him, I would have tried to pry it out with the bo staff first.

[Karpo_007]

The extreme part didn't really bother me... They are Teenagers who live in the Sewer. They must have something to do other than watching TV.

[Cascadia]

The extreme part did not bother me either. They had to show their teenage side of their lifestyle.

[Karpo_007]

One other thing. They have constantly jokes about Mikey and Pizza, but they havn't eaten it once.. Maybe Mikey is the only pizza lover...

[Kali]

Leo had pizza in "Nano". Just before waking up to go out to confront Nano for the first time, he was holding a piece of pizza. Though whether he was eating it or not is debatable, but why would you be holding a slice of pizza of you weren't going to eat it.

[Karpo_007]

Oh... I watched the ep only once.. So I guess they all eat it.

[HorseTechie]

*lol* Just watching my newly d/led ep of Nano, and wondered the same thing. Was Leo *that* tired? :lol:

[Aztec General]

I love the villians in this series. Although it is different from Mirage I like the idea of The Foot being in allegiance with Baxter Stockman and the Purple Dragons. Shredder's empire seems very well run and organized. But Karpo's right Shredder's not going to have any help left for season 2 if he keeps killing/mutilating them :lol: .

This armor thing is really fascinating me. I can't wait to find out the connection between The Foot and (presumably) the Utroms. I think we may get our answers in the storyarc "Notes From the Undergroud". But I'm not sure.

[Karpo_007]

I guess once Saki gets his armor in one piece, he will become "Das Über Shredder"[Not to be confused with Super Shredder from TMNT 2]

[Keno]

Even though for older people the "extreme green" stuff seems corny, its cool to 7 year olds. i watched it with my little cousin and he LIKED that part and i was just like "eh?" :dead:

and youre right. Leo on a scooter BAD BAD BAD

upon closer inspection, that body thing looks kinda like UltraMan Tiga without his left leg :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
that is the funiiest thing ive EVER heard!!!!!

[Blades]

Time for my take on the episode! Let's go trhough the list:

'Extreme Turtles': I actually found this pretty cool. I agree with some of the others who said that this is the 'Teenage' part of the TMNT. Don's collapsable bike was neat too. Wouldn't hafta worry about them getting stolen at school, just stick it in your locker! :) Took me a minute to like Raph's 'blades though. They seemed a little odd shaped.....but then his feet aren't like a person's, are they? Mikey's joke on teamwork was classic too. ^_^

The Sword and Armour/Body: I LOVED the design of the sword of Tenga (sp?)! It was so cool, and I saw a little Utrom in the handle too. I'm pretty sure I saw it's eyes glow for a second... :o Creepy. And I do think what they pulled out of the river was an Utrom body/transport thingy, but haven't seen the comic ones, just from the old cartoon. That was a neat design too, and notice they never showed the front? That was to hide the stomach cavity, IMO.

The Tempers: Splinter was in a Baaaaaad mood this ep. O_O Of course, I can't blame him. Seeing the foot symbol again after so long would get anyone a little out of it. And of course, Saki was his usual badass self. :D
Can't wait for him to take on the turtles....I think it'd be cool to see Hun and Saki go at it in a sparring session. :evilgrin: That would SO rock. See of Saki can flip Mr. Brick Wall on his back....

The Fights: Los of action in this one, thanks to the Foot. ^_^ My fave moments during the fights were when Raph was hung upside down and Leo cuts the chain that's holding him, and the crash at the end of the Museum battle.

It seems that this was another episode dedicated to Donny, what with all his gadgets and such. Can't wait for the next episode, Raph and Casey's back in the light!!!! :D *Walks away, thinking of a fanart of Blades and Raph rollerblading together* :goofygri:

[Karpo_007]

Time for my take on the episode! Let's go trhough the list:

And I do think what they pulled out of the river was an Utrom body/transport thingy, but haven't seen the comic ones, just from the old cartoon. That was a neat design too, and notice they never showed the front? That was to hide the stomach cavity, IMO.



No, Utroms robot bodies were introduced in the comics in issue #3. The old cartoon didn't have utroms at all. Krang's android body was based on Utrom's body.

[Nate]

I think that's what he was saying.. that he was basing it on krang's body, being that he knew it was based on the utroms.

[TheCloneRanger]

With all this talk of the body being one of the utrom suits, I thought I'd post this synopsis from TOS (mild spoilers for Episode 13 and 14) :

DR
I hate being spoiled. Please mark spoilers better, or i'm going to start deleting posts. I've already mentioned it once in this thread.
DarthRaphael
/DR


Episode Thirteen: "Notes from the Underground" Part 1
The TMNT's security cameras capture images of a strange, hulking intruder. The Turtles head deep into the sewers to investigate the creature and discover an abandoned laboratory. Before the Green Team can investigate further, they're surrounded by giant creatures, moving in for attack!


Episode Fourteen: "Notes from the Underground" Part 2
Before a battle erupts, the Turtles discover that the creatures are intelligent and friendly. The beasts explain their origin to the Turtles, which involves the Foot Clan and a mysterious alien race.

Could that mysterious alien race be the Utroms? I think we can safely say s

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I think the Turtles playing with extreme sports equipment at the beginning was cool, but using them in battle was not.(stop putting down scooters BTW SCOOTERS ROCK!)
This episode was great and I can't think of better theories about the unanswered questions then have already been said.(though it'd be kinda cool if we were all wrong :evilgrin: )
It looks like we have a more realistic Shredder this time around. The old one wore his armor 24/7 (how uncomfortable) , but this one we've seen both with and without his kimono and havn't even seen him in full battle armor yet.
BTW the foot and Utroms do know of each other in the comics. Remember when the Foot teamed up with the Turtles to build a transmat for Leatherhead. The Foot had to know the backround story to know what was going on.

[Shadow]

Alright, here is what I thought! Freaking awesome. I was so mad I had to leave in the middle of it...to go to work. But I loved it...ALL of it.

The extream turtles was actually cool. They're teenagers...and in the first movie it was DONNY not MIKE who used the skateboard. Raph on blades sooo typical...but I wonder how one can go from motercycle to rollerblades...either way...that's my raphie-boy!

Anyone notice baxtor is missing an eye now! Man Hun...hit him where it really hurts huh?!

All and All great eppisode. I'm itching and drooling for more (or i need to see the doctor...)

GO GREEN MACHINE!

[TheCloneRanger]

Also in the new comic, which is supposed to go along with the Mirage continunity, the Utroms have hired the Foot for security on their Earth base, despite "previous actions."

[SlayerX]

Leo had pizza in "Nano". Just before waking up to go out to confront Nano for the first time, he was holding a piece of pizza. Though whether he was eating it or not is debatable, but why would you be holding a slice of pizza of you weren't going to eat it.

You always need SOME thing to sleep with :lol: Teddy Bears, Beanie Babies, Pizza... :D

[PanMan]

wow i never noticed that utrom on the handle of the sword before . . . but now that i see it i have even more confidence in my previous hypothesis to what's going on :D

[Jephael]

Yeah, I noticed it since I first watched this morning. I found it pretty amusuing.

[azure turtle]

MY TV GOES BLACK!

Gah!!!!!!!! Evil Fox cut the show! They showed the preview of next week, then showed The Cramp Twins! There was still ten minutes left! *collapses into a puddle*
Oy Kali, I know how you feel. My cable went out during the fight on the ship... Gah!! :mad:

I loved what I saw of the ep, though. I thought the extreme turtles was cool. They are teenagers after all, and they were just having some fun. Loved the action sequences (those that I saw, anyway). I'll need to catch the rerun next week.

[Mike]

Did they turn the power on after fighting the FCoot in the museum, I couldn't tell. Cause later on they were watching TV and playing on the computer. Was that a mistake or did the power go back on?

[Blades]

I think that's what he was saying.. that he was basing it on krang's body, being that he knew it was based on the utroms.

Yep, that was pretty much what I meant. Oh, and just for future reference, I'm a SHE. :P

[J Legault]

i wounder if Don has an internet on his computer? He had to get some info since he's the Brains of the Team. I'd think Splinter would forbid him to e-mail anyone at all.

[Stefano]

I think its cool that saki's enemys are probably the utroms. I wish splinter would explain why the symble is familular, but we all obviousely know. Is it just me or can you always see aprils butt crack when she has the back to the tv.

[Stefano]

Just couriouse how do you get your custom picture to appear. Im new at this

[GreenWillow]

~Wow-- I certainly didn't notice the Utrom on the sword, but if that's the case, I guess we know fer sure where it came from. Nor did I notice that the exoskeleton pulled from the river was only shown from behind. Hm. I'll have to sit closer to the TV I guess... :goofygri:

I think it's totally cool that the writers slipped all these little clues and references into these shows for sharp-eyed (eared?) long-time fans. It's like a treasure hunt almost.....

~GW

[Splinter]

Hey guys, new to the boards. But I've been reading for weeks now. Just haven't decided to take that last step into full geekdom by posting on a message board. You guys made it hard, and you finally broke me. Onward with the comments about the latest episode. :)

Sadly I missed this episode. But we've all been noticing the little homages to the classic cartoon. Anyone else find it funny, that Oroku Saki took Baxter Stockman's eye for failing him. Sort of a little wink to the old fans, of the episode where Shredder got really pissed at Baxter, over the "Eye of Zarnov". ;) :D

[Karpo_007]

I can't see the logic in that.... Shredder punishes all who fails in the new cartoon.

[Splinter]

I can't see the logic in that.... Shredder punishes all who fails in the new cartoon.
Of course he does. But why an eye? That's all I'm trying to say. I just thought it was nice wink to the old fans that watch the new show. There have been others that were just as vague. Like Mikey and the fly. :P :)

[Karpo_007]

What had the fly to do with the old cartoon?

[Splinter]

What had the fly to do with the old cartoon?
Well, perhaps you should go back and read those past threads. A lot of people pointed it out to be a cute homage to old baxter. Since it's somthing that will never happen in the new series. By the way, thanks for the warm welcome. :roll:

[Karpo_007]

So I wasn't supposed to say what I tough about your homages? They just sound like long shot to me.

[Splinter]

So I wasn't supposed to say what I tough about your homages? They just sound like long shot to me.
Please, don't put words in my mouth, thank you very much. I was just saying that many people have been noticing homages to the old cartoon series. If you don't see them, then cool for you.

But that doesn't mean that they arn't there. I'm not the only one noticing things like the fly, the two Purple Dragon members similaritys to two classic charecters, or this. But just for you, I'll put them all down as a case of mass hysteria. :P

[Karpo_007]

Hmmm.. Yeah I've read those, but there's nothing that really proves those as homages. Evryone has to judge them for themselfs.

[Splinter]

Hmmm.. Yeah I've read those, but there's nothing that really proves those as homages. Evryone has to judge them for themselfs.
Following that logic, the two cops that supposedly look like Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird, must be an amazing coincidence. Since there is nothing that really proves that it's an homage either. ;) :D

[Karpo_007]

Thats true. But they DO look like them. Still, it's not been confirmed.

[One Radical Dude]

Yo, compadres!! This was a huge step forward, compared to "Nano". This is probably one of the best epsiodes, so far. The "extreme" thing was cool. I had absolutely no problems with that because hey, the dudes in green are teenagers. :tgrin: This episode had a lot of action, a fair amount of laughs, lots of really neat gadgets, and...well....we saw more Oroku Saki. It was great. That should hopefully stop the ratings drop (I'll find out Friday). Next week's look promising, as well.

[Karpo_007]

I would find it strange if the ratings for this episode weren't up...

[One Radical Dude]

It had a lot of goods in that episode. If these ratings do not go up, then the other viewers are missing out on the fun.

[GK Punk]

Yo, compadres!! This was a huge step forward, compared to "Nano". This is probably one of the best epsiodes, so far. The "extreme" thing was cool. I had absolutely no problems with that because hey, the dudes in green are teenagers. :tgrin: This episode had a lot of action, a fair amount of laughs, lots of really neat gadgets, and...well....we saw more Oroku Saki. It was great. That should hopefully stop the ratings drop (I'll find out Friday). Next week's look promising, as well.

Man was it just me or was it forboading<sp?> when it showed the Shredder armor? Man that was the money shot of the episode!!

and I would just like to say... UTROMS!!!!!!! ROCK! :D

Yeah I dug this episode about as much as you ORD

[GreenWillow]

Hey guys, new to the boards. But I've been reading for weeks now. Just haven't decided to take that last step into full geekdom by posting on a message board. You guys made it hard, and you finally broke me. Onward with the comments about the latest episode. :)

~And another one bites the dust! :evilgrin: Did you happen to intro yourself over on the intro thread? If not, welcome. Well, even if you did, welcome.


Sadly I missed this episode. But we've all been noticing the little homages to the classic cartoon.

~That certainly has been my take. Many little winks and nods to the TMNT past. I think my fave so far though has been E & L as cops. Too cute! Anyone see the photo of Peter Laird on top of Mt. Monadnock on the back of issue#7? For anyone who wondered if that was *really* suposed to be Laird in the cartoon, this recent photo is pretty good confirmation. He's also holding a big, long, suspicously bo-like walking stick. :lol:

~GW

[Jephael]

Well we do know that Laird's personal favorite is Donatello.

[GreenWillow]

~Yeah, that's why I thought the photo was so cute. He's standing in the classic Donnie pose, too, "bo" held in front of him with both hands.


~GW

[Aztec General]

Yeah this episode was certainly action packed and the Foot were certainly cool. If the ratings don't go up after this one, then the series is in some real trouble.

Shredder's armor being made of, presumably, Utrom material is a strange development. This episode definite began a move away from the Mirage storyline. Although I really like this developing story, and it is incorporating a great deal of Mirage, so it works for me.

[Stefano]

Did anyone notice a mistake in this episode. I recorded all of the episode and im most i find little mistakes. Like in the first one donnys driving the truck he has his bag next to him then a moment later its gone, then it comes back ect. Am i the only one thats notcing things like this

[Karpo_007]

Yes, I like the fact it's not 100% Mirgae conversion. And The show won't be in trouble, even if the ratings are bad. The 26 episodes will be shown anyway. Of course they are important if we want to see a second season.

[GreenWillow]

Yes, I like the fact it's not 100% Mirgae conversion.

~As do I. They've taken the core elements, but rewoven them a bit into an interesting new design. I think I really like the idea that Shredder has a history with the Utroms, and I'm looking forward to finding out what that might be. A whole new wrinkle-- cool!

~GW

[Eye of Sarnath]

I think it has enough from the cartoon and comics to interest fans of both-that's what I like about it.

[malignant]

Did anyone notice a mistake in this episode. I recorded all of the episode and im most i find little mistakes. Like in the first one donnys driving the truck he has his bag next to him then a moment later its gone, then it comes back ect. Am i the only one thats notcing things like this

I pointed out in NANO....that when Nano had a hold of the battle shell...they showed Leo driving and Mikey in the passanger seat....but Mikey was the whole driving the whole time.

[J Legault]

If the Utroms are suppose to be enemies of Ouka Saki. Brian Aliens and Ninja don't seem to mix together. I know Utroms are like Krang and are some how involved with TCRI. In one were they got out that Seaweed body, and if there's supposed to be artifact in that sea dock then Saki may try again to get more. Or does need the Wave Beam Sword to do it?

[TheCloneRanger]

That should hopefully stop the ratings drop (I'll find out Friday). Next week's look promising, as well.

In theory, the ratings for "Darkness" probably won't be that good...for anyone who saw Nano and didn't like it, they probably didn't tune in.

The ratings for next week's show, though, should be higher. People who watched "Darkness" and told their friends how good it was would make next week's ratings go up.

[Karpo_007]

Well we can't know anything yet, let's wait till friday.

[Prowl]

I know I'll be flamed for this, but Darkness was okay. I somewhat saw it as a tip of hat to the old Turtle Cartoon fans, with all the skateboarding and roller-blading. Mikey on a skateboard (great). Leo on a mini scooter (strange).

"Turtleize them" kinda gave me shivers. I hope they don't Turtleize Shredder when they fight him. Always love that they are finally playing Don like the genius he is. Guess Casey and April were taking 5 from the gang :)

[Aztec General]

Yes, I like the fact it's not 100% Mirgae conversion.

~As do I. They've taken the core elements, but rewoven them a bit into an interesting new design. I think I really like the idea that Shredder has a history with the Utroms, and I'm looking forward to finding out what that might be. A whole new wrinkle-- cool!

~GW

Yes I feel the same way. They took the great aspects of the Mirage continuity and they are weaving their own story. I also like that there is more interaction between the Turtles allies and enemies. As opposed to their being just the Foot, just the Utroms, or just Baxter Stockman. I think it's quite cool that they are interconnected. And this Utrom/Shredder thing has me very intrigued. Having Shredder involved in all of these storylines helps to further establish him as the true and main villian.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Can someone please post a screencap of these alleged Ultroms? I didn't see them when I was watching.

[Prowl]

Ultroms were in the episode????

[PanMan]

the only utrom in the episode was a little carving of one on the handle of the sword of tengu (you can see it best after splinter sets it down at the end of the ep). other than that only references were made to them (the body found in the river was prob. one of their exoskeletons), and shredder kept on saying stuff about old enemies . . .

so their was evidence of utroms but i bet the people not reading this forum would be completely clueless to this. it's not like they had a pic of a utrom and said "hey look! it's a utrom!" or anything.

[Eye of Sarnath]

The people prolly wouldn't know what a Utrom is anyway. :lol:

[Karpo_007]

The plot is getting really intresting.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Yeah... if Shredder's enimies are the Utroms, then this is definetly one plot twist I wasn't expecting.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, me neither. But I like it.

[Eye of Sarnath]

It certainly does make for a nice change of pace, plus we can't know what will happen just by reading the comics. But Shredder said that the sword could detect other objects of its same origin... and held it up to his armor, and it started glowing. So, is Shredder's armor from the Utroms?

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, it might be made of some alien alloys...

[Eye of Sarnath]

I thought of that... another good question is, why would Shredder be enemies with the Utroms? The mystery just keeps gettin' bigger...

[Karpo_007]

Yeah... And since the sword was from 14th century[I think] Utroms have been on Earth for quite some time. So many questions...

[Eye of Sarnath]

So much time until next weeks episode...

We know the Utroms created the ooze that mutated the TMNT and Splinter, but what else could they have done? They'll prolly be friendly to the TMNT, cos not only were they in the comics, they're both enemies of Shredder.

[Karpo_007]

So true.

[TigerClaw]

This was a great episode, That whole thing with the sword made of some unusual material is an indication that aliens might be involved in its creation, Though I seriously doubt its krang since the show's creators indicated that Krang isnt in this new series.

[Splinter]

This was a great episode, That whole thing with the sword made of some unusual material is an indication that aliens might be involved in its creation, Though I seriously doubt its krang since the show's creators indicated that Krang isnt in this new series.
You are correct, there is no Krang. But the alien species that Krang was based off of, "The Utroms" are part of the new series. :)

[Stefano]

im excited to see how they are going to show the utroms. I wonder how different they might look from krang or other utroms form the comic. I didnt catch that the sword had picture of a utrom i'll look for that. Im also couriuse how shredder knows the utroms and why they are enemys. Did they build the elevator in the turtles lair. Probably why do i even ask that

[J Legault]

Saki is very good with his Tallon handle thing.

[PWDESAI]

It was a decent episode. I love how leonardo is helping out all the loser turtles ;) jk

[GK Punk]

It was a decent episode. I love how leonardo is helping out all the loser turtles ;) jk

:lol:
Glad to see you back after your internet died during the weekend!

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

There will be countless references to various older versions (cartoon, mirage comic, movie, archie comic, etc.) because we're the "third prong" :wink:
Let me clarify that, the TMNT was successful in the 1980's/early'90s because of a two prong approach. There was a dark edgy underground comic for serious adult fans, and a funny, colorful, mainstream TV cartoon for the kids.(BTW I've always loved both, ever since I got the comics from my local newstand, and my friends got me into the show. But most of us were either one or the other, hence all the ridiculous arguing :P ). That's two different age groups! Both vital to it's success! Also there were the Archie comics and the Movie with elements of both.
In order for the ressurected TMNT to succeed they must now use a Three pronged approach:
1. Serious adult comic fans (Mirage vol. 4)
2. Kids looking for cool cartoons (New TMNT Tv series)
3. Veterans of the original turtlemania, That's Us!!
So, there will of course there will be nostalgia elements in both the comic and the show because were the third vital group. :D
Anyone agree?

[PhoenixFire]

Hmmm, just got back in tonight and watched the episode (thank god 4 VCR's!!!) I will have to check the handle of the sword when I convert it to VCD. But has anyone else thought it was weird that right after the foot clan digs this supposed Utrom exo-skeloton out of the river (what it is doing there only the writers know) we suddenly see Baxter revealing Tech foot ninjas? I wonder if some of that T.C.R.I. technology could have been reverse engineered to make them? :wink: And one more thing, as a space traveling race perhaps the Utroms could have visited Earth before the 20-21st century, maybe they visited in the 11th century or earlier... or maybe they are studying the human race ever so often and return from time to time. The only connection between Saki and the Utroms I could see is if they share the same city, maybe some of Saki's underworld activities have been suffering from their presence or something like that. We will have to wait and see!!!

[greatpandaonita]

WARNING: I plan to be negative here.

I did not like this episode. The first ten minutes involved campiness which completely eroded the darker tone the new TMNT has been setting. Watching the Turtles yell "Green Extreme" had me cringing. Watching the Foot Soldiers, who in the first episode owned the Turtles, be whipped like government mules was unacceptable. I find it hard to believe that the inclusion of "extreme" modes of transportation, like a scooter, allowed the Turtles to become some cohesive fighting unit whereas the Turtles could not beat the Foot and had much difficultly dealing with the mousers, and nano.

As an added question, how do the Turtles obtain all their possesions? I do not see a source of employment.

The last ten minutes, however, were good and almost eradicated the stigma I developed from the Green Extreme Team.

Saki is the man, btw.

[malignant]

WARNING: I plan to be negative here.

I did not like this episode. The first ten minutes involved campiness which completely eroded the darker tone the new TMNT has been setting. Watching the Turtles yell "Green Extreme" had me cringing. Watching the Foot Soldiers, who in the first episode owned the Turtles, be whipped like government mules was unacceptable. I find it hard to believe that the inclusion of "extreme" modes of transportation, like a scooter, allowed the Turtles to become some cohesive fighting unit whereas the Turtles could not beat the Foot and had much difficultly dealing with the mousers, and nano.

As an added question, how do the Turtles obtain all their possesions? I do not see a source of employment.

The last ten minutes, however, were good and almost eradicated the stigma I developed from the Green Extreme Team.

Saki is the man, btw.


finally.!!..someone who agrees with me that the extreme green stuff is crap ! it makes em look likes losers.....teenagers or not......i dont know any cool teenagers that sounded like they did..haha....and it does make them less darker....my point exactly.

[TigerClaw]

Did everyone noticed the bottom of the handle on that special sword, Theres a shape on there that almost resembles one of those creatures of Krang's race, If you look very carefully, You can see it durring the last shot on the episode as it shows a closeup of the sword itself, I was a bit intrigued by that.

[malignant]

yes....its only been pointed out like 100 times already.

[Lanagirl]

:) Comrade Lana didn't understand some things as usual. I read all the comments here. Interesting things. You say that Shredder is more evil in the new cartoon,right? I have asked this many times but if the cartoon is so serious, do you think that Shredder can be killed by the turtles after all?
Did i misunderstand or shred put off some clothes? :P And who are thos utroms? Aliens?
If you say that Shredder punishes everyone who fails(how did he do it i wonder), then doesn't he remind you Darth Vader from the Star Wars? Remember how he smothered a military man and then said:"Apolgy accepted"
Do turtles cry Turtle Power now?
And i also think that Shredder makes the show brighter and better than any other enemies. what's your opinion. Hope someone answers some of my questions :evilgrin:

[Skeletoncrew]

I have asked this many times but if the cartoon is so serious, do you think that Shredder can be killed by the turtles after all?
I hope not. :)
Did i misunderstand or shred put off some clothes?
He took off his shirt/jacket. We got to see some bare chest and arms... :D Now, if he'd only lose those baggy pants... :o
And who are thos utroms? Aliens?
Aliens from a benevolent (friendly) race that look like brains.(Krang's design was based on them, though he was not an Utrom.)
If you say that Shredder punishes everyone who fails(how did he do it i wonder), then doesn't he remind you Darth Vader from the Star Wars? Remember how he smothered a military man and then said:"Apolgy accepted"
Well, based upon the preview they showed, it looks like he might have had one of Baxter's eyes removed. Ouch. And yes, it looked like he was letting the two Tech guys get away with an apology, but then Hun grabbed them.
Do turtles cry Turtle Power now?
So far, no. Though they have been yelling similar things.

Mmmmmm...Shredder makes me happy. :)

[Lanagirl]

Thanks a lot Skeletoncrew member. This was a clear and cool answer. Thanks. wow. i bet he looked sexy :o But he won't lose those pants. It's for kids,remember. a friend of mine used to talk to real Kevin Eastman and his wife. I told Darin that i would love to see Shred without jacket at least. lol. May be i'm a telepathic girl:-)
It was long ago though.
What about hun? Do you like him? Episodes look brighter with Shredder. He is full remember of the cartoon. He is as cool as the turtles. But it seems to me turtles have no corneas,right? white eyes through the bands :goofygri:
I also hope that shredder will be not killed or else the show will be doomed. It's a Saturday show so may be they won't defeat Saki. I always adored Saki. Just wanted to know what do you like in him people. :wink: He is handsome i guess but he is mean and evil and despite this he is loved by many fans :evilgrin:
what do you know? My exboyfriend looked like like the shred. Can you believe it? He was an eastern man and had swarthy skin, huzzle eyes, he was tall, had muscles and he was mean. lol If he were not he would not leave me. We were going to marry. Never mind :dead:

[Karpo_007]

Did everyone noticed the bottom of the handle on that special sword, Theres a shape on there that almost resembles one of those creatures of Krang's race, If you look very carefully, You can see it durring the last shot on the episode as it shows a closeup of the sword itself, I was a bit intrigued by that.

Just to avoid future confusions, Krang is not an Utrom. Only the looks of Krang were copied from them.

[Lanagirl]

Utrom are Shredder's enemies. But why? What have they done to be hated by Saki? So Splinter is Splinter not Hamdo Youshi,right? :cry:
Is Baxter on Saki's side?

[cqb101]

I have a question......What is the name of the weapon that was like a scythe with a chain on the end? A bunch of the fott ninjas had them in this episode.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

It's called a Kusari-Gama. :)

[Donatello]

i thought this was yet another great episode. the extreme thing didn't bother me so much because they are teenagers, it does make sense. saki was great and wew finally found out who the foot tech ninja are. i knew it wasn't thoser guys w/ the eye thing. they just didn't look like fighters to me. i noticed a couple of errors but nothing major. don wears the four fingered glove and in the museum scene don has the hanglider belt for only a second. but it was great

[Stefano]

I dont think the next epsisode will tell us more about the utroms. I hope they do. The next episode looks like it will be good none the less

[cqb101]

It's called a Kusari-Gama. :)

Thanks!

[Skeletoncrew]

Utrom are Shredder's enemies. But why? What have they done to be hated by Saki? So Splinter is Splinter not Hamdo Youshi,right? :cry:
Is Baxter on Saki's side?

Baxter has been doing research and development for Saki, but his ego is so big that I see him trying to put Saki out of the picture in the future.

We're only guessing that Utroms are Shredder's enemies. We don't actually know. We'll have to wait and see.

Splinter hasn't told his story yet (April wanted to know how he knew martial arts, but he said it was a story for another day.), but he was always a rat in this cartoon. Never human.

Oh, and on the glove issue, I noticed too...I just figured that Don wedged his hand as far in there as he could and made it work. OJ's lawyer would not approve. :D

[PanMan]

i've just noticed a few more things . . .

shredder kinda looks like and reminds me of Samurai Jack and the foot soldiers with the eye thing remind me of the cartoon ghostbusters (especially Egon, without the hair).

i suppose the following is a minor spoiler so it's in itty bitty writing :wink: . . .




shredder appears to die in the return to NY episodes (or the last shredder episode of the season, can't remember exactly what it was called), but i read that it APPEARS that he dies :D . You can take that any way you want

[GK Punk]

You really shouldn't have posted the spoiler, I am afraid you'll catch slack for that...

Anyways, did anyone else notice that the Tengu sword had a Utro... wait no that you did notice... Actually, I was going to point out that in the Preview for this ep, when it shows Oroku with the Sword of Tengu and the Shredder Armor, the Armor is Completley in color with Red eyes and all, but in the actuall show, when they do that scene, the armor is all mono-toned with no eyes showing? GOD I HAVE NO LIFE TO NOTICE THAT! :lol:

[Karpo_007]

He did warn about it, and put it in very small size. You know there is a spoiler, if you choose to read it, don't blame him.

[Stefano]

i wonder why donnetello naroratd this one agian. Why did he do twice in a row. am i the only one who noticed?

[Karpo_007]

Well I don't mind, I don't think they have shared the turns equally... :lol:

[PanMan]

i wonder why donnetello naroratd this one agian. Why did he do twice in a row. am i the only one who noticed?


yeah i noticed that too but he was the major turtle in the episode so it makes sense . . .

[Jephael]

So far each of the turtles narrated an the opening in the first four eps (Mike's being the only one used as a recap) but I guess they're just going to go randomly from now on.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Why does it matter? I could care less who narrates it. Heck, let's have Splinter narrate 'em. Or Casey. Or April. Or a rabid knife-wielding monkey. Or someone.

[Karpo_007]

Heh, not that it's a big deal, people are just making observations.

[Eye of Sarnath]

True. Albeit observations about random useless stuff. Ah, it's good to be a TMNT fan. Only we could argue about something so trivial.

[Karpo_007]

Yep, probably true.. :lol:

[Stefano]

I think raph will narrorate th next one. It showed him being tied up in the preview for the next show

[GK Punk]

He did warn about it, and put it in very small size. You know there is a spoiler, if you choose to read it, don't blame him.

Yeah I have no problem with it, in fact I read it :lol:
I just know how some people are around here, and I was afraid someone would come in and start trolling you know?

Anyways!

As Mike narrated yet? I remember Leo, Don and Raph...

[Karpo_007]

Mike narrated the third episode. But it was basicly just telling what has happened so far.

[Zoé]

I think raph will narrorate th next one. It showed him being tied up in the preview for the next show

I'm thinking the same thing, and I'm really looking forward to this ep because of that preview. I can't wait to find out how they capture Raph this time. On a side note, I definitely think its cool how much Casey seems to be involved in the new show.

[Stefano]

i agree. I like casey alot. In the old show he didnt do much and it didnt seem like he was involved with the turtles very much. now hes very involved with a realistic personality. The new show seemed to tickle my fansy on the casey jones topic

[donnyman444]

casey jones is definately way cooler in this show but he needs to get some of that april ass

[Anarchistguy]

Just be patient....

[Stefano]

aprils ass or splinters either way it will be a good episode

[J Legault]

Utrom are Shredder's enemies. But why? What have they done to be hated by Saki? So Splinter is Splinter not Hamdo Youshi,right? :cry:
Is Baxter on Saki's side?

Splinter hasn't told his story yet (April wanted to know how he knew martial arts, but he said it was a story for another day.), but he was always a rat in this cartoon. Never human.

Oh, and on the glove issue, I noticed too...I just figured that Don wedged his hand as far in there as he could and made it work. OJ's lawyer would not approve. :D

When the 3rd episode was going to appeared I'd hope they won't use Hatoma Yoshi as Splinter. And I'm glad Splinter was always a rat.
I love the way the young mutated Splinter and Turtles are designed :D .

[Barkworm]

Hey, I'm new here (but don't worry, I won't ask any Bebop-Krang-Rocksteady-questions :D )!
I have to say that I really love the new cartoon! It is dark, it is funny and the action is as violent as a 10.30 am-show can be! O.k., except Donny they still don't really use their weapons against living beings but unlike the old cartoon they fight nevertheless! The new episode was great again, maybe the beginning was a bit too teenager-ish, but I think that's okay (it was like a commercial for the extreme sports turtles :P ). I'm really looking forward to learn more about the Utroms-Shredder-connection!
(P.S. Please don't blame me for any grammatical or orthographical mistakes, I'm obviously neither English, nor American :) )

[One Radical Dude]

Hey, I'm new here (but don't worry, I won't ask any Bebop-Krang-Rocksteady-questions :D )!
I have to say that I really love the new cartoon! It is dark, it is funny and the action is as violent as a 10.30 am-show can be! O.k., except Donny they still don't really use their weapons against living beings but unlike the old cartoon they fight nevertheless! The new episode was great again, maybe the beginning was a bit too teenager-ish, but I think that's okay (it was like a commercial for the extreme sports turtles :P ). I'm really looking forward to learn more about the Utroms-Shredder-connection!
(P.S. Please don't blame me for any grammatical or orthographical mistakes, I'm obviously neither English, nor American :) )

Well, you do a lot better than some people (with the English)!

[greatpandaonita]

So when do you think the Turtles will come out with X-Treme Sports versions of the toys? It feels like a marketing ploy.

[Lanagirl]

:o What does that meam: Spoiler? I couldn't find such meaning of the word in the dictionary. As to death of Saki, he will never die in my heart and in hearts of fans and if he is dead the show won't succeed in another season(if it is ever created).
You think that Shred reminds Samurai Jack... Hmm I like Jack, he's a nice fellow but Shredder should not be like him. Jack is intelligent and calm. It's only my opinion though. Don't blame me guys.
As to Ghost Busters, i they used to drive me mad when i was 10. I am indifferent to them however now. :-? I used to watch all the episodes but i'd like to ask: What happened to the cartoon? Were the new episodes created? Is the show still popular? I remember Eagon,Ray,Peter and a guy with swarthy skin Whinston,right? But 2 or 3 years ago i managed to watch another type of Ghost Busters... :-? It shocked me because one of the guys was in the wheelchair :-? So, are there two different types of the cartoon? I'm just curious. I used to adore it so much(though turtles have always been beyond comparison :evilgrin:

[Barkworm]

Well, you do a lot better than some people (with the English)!
Thanks dude! :)

[Barkworm]

So, are there two different types of the cartoon? I'm just curious. I used to adore it so much(though turtles have always been beyond comparison :evilgrin:
There was a sequel of the old cartoon called "Extreme Ghostbusters". Egon had a bigger role in it, and I think, Winston, Peter and Ray also appeared in the show. I'm not sure about it but I think the show was a flop so it got cancelled very quickly.

[Lanagirl]

my english is not very good too i guess :-? ?

[Kali]

Your English is fine, Lanagirl. :) It's a confusing language, even to those who speak it regularly.

:o What does that meam: Spoiler? I couldn't find such meaning of the word in the dictionary.
Spoiler: Something that spoils, or ruins, something else. In this context, when telling a person what is going to happen later in the cartoon, it might ruin, or spoil, their experience when they do watch it. It spoils the surprise, so, it's a spoiler.

[GK Punk]

So when do you think the Turtles will come out with X-Treme Sports versions of the toys? It feels like a marketing ploy.

they come out in the 3rd wave of the toys, if you search for them, you can find concept drawings of them

[Stefano]

were would you look. Im not excited about them. I just hope the toys dont go overboard and ruin the new show

[CookSux]

Well Shredder's armor is definitly not a hologram, because the sword was vibratin when it was in front of it. My theory? Saki and the Utroms originally worked together. That would explain why Saki is so wealthy... the technological advacements. Like the funding of Baxter Stockman's lab and etc. The Utroms probably found out that Saki was evil... tricked him and left. I don't think the sword vibrated because of the inner ki as well, since a machine was able to use it. To answer some other questions... Don was able to use the computer and tv because the blackout happened the night before. And yeah, the "extreme" fight scene wasn't as bad as you guys made it out to be. Pretty credible if you ask me. My question? If the Utroms were so smart, why would there be an abandoned body in the ocean?

[Stefano]

could saki attacked that particular utrom. because it was missing a leg or something. Well the missing leg could be because it was in the ocean for years. I dont know it would be interesting if shredder did have a mini battle with the utroms

[Aztec General]

This Saki/Utrom thing fascinates me. I can't wait to see this story further developed as this, and hopefully next, season progresses.

Btw, I hate being "that" guy but it's "reign" not "rain" Stefano. Sorry, not trying to put you down or anything, I'm just a little picky sometimes.

[Stefano]

thanks rat king. I was never that much of a good speller.

[PanMan]

Well Shredder's armor is definitly not a hologram, because the sword was vibratin when it was in front of it. My theory? Saki and the Utroms originally worked together. That would explain why Saki is so wealthy... the technological advacements. Like the funding of Baxter Stockman's lab and etc. The Utroms probably found out that Saki was evil... tricked him and left. I don't think the sword vibrated because of the inner ki as well, since a machine was able to use it. To answer some other questions... Don was able to use the computer and tv because the blackout happened the night before. And yeah, the "extreme" fight scene wasn't as bad as you guys made it out to be. Pretty credible if you ask me. My question? If the Utroms were so smart, why would there be an abandoned body in the ocean?


it could also be that shredder has all that stuff because he robbed alot of banks and people in his time :wink: . although i think he has high tech stuff too so maybe he did work with the utroms (or stole some of their stuff).

[Karpo_007]

I don't believe Saki and Utroms worked together, he jus spoke of old enemies. Hi wealth is easily explained by Criminal activity, and The foot is not a poor organisation either.

[PanMan]

:o What does that meam: Spoiler? I couldn't find such meaning of the word in the dictionary. As to death of Saki, he will never die in my heart and in hearts of fans and if he is dead the show won't succeed in another season(if it is ever created).
You think that Shred reminds Samurai Jack... Hmm I like Jack, he's a nice fellow but Shredder should not be like him. Jack is intelligent and calm. It's only my opinion though. Don't blame me guys.
As to Ghost Busters, i they used to drive me mad when i was 10. I am indifferent to them however now. :-? I used to watch all the episodes but i'd like to ask: What happened to the cartoon? Were the new episodes created? Is the show still popular? I remember Eagon,Ray,Peter and a guy with swarthy skin Whinston,right? But 2 or 3 years ago i managed to watch another type of Ghost Busters... :-? It shocked me because one of the guys was in the wheelchair :-? So, are there two different types of the cartoon? I'm just curious. I used to adore it so much(though turtles have always been beyond comparison :evilgrin:


i meant that shredder looks like samurai jack, not that he acts like him :wink:

i only faintly remember the ghostbusters cartoon from back then, but i do have their action figures so that's why they're so fresh in my mind :)

[theperfectdrug]

I've collected almost all of the original cartoons on my computer and burned them to disc and now I'm working on the new one's as well... does anyone have this episode ripped? and also "Nano" ? Those are the 2 I am missing, I have the first 4... thanks!

[Karpo_007]

All episodes are available few hours after airig...

[Machias Banshee]

*reads all 11 pages*
Wow....

heh, I saw this ep too... :D VERY good, i think...


I liked the sports stuff, although i would put Leo on a better item....
(segway? :P J/K!!!)

Heh, I loved the beginning bit with Splinter dodging them. I SO wanted to see him catch Mike off-guard and toss him onto the couch when he tried to take his food. :lol:

I must say, seeing Splinter that shaken up about the footsymbol doesnt surprise me. I mean, his beloved Master was SLAIN in cold blood...And while i was a bit surprised by his harshness when Leo spoke to him.....He had to be stern, I think, so he wouldnt let his 'weakness' show. He taught the boys Bushido, but he doesnt want them to get seriously hurt or even killed, just because they went out before Splinter planned something. If i were him, I wouldnt have let the boys step foot out of the lair before i could figure things out for myself...

Shredder....WOW :o :D He is So cool! :D (yeh, i know, i didnt say much about the others... :P )[/i]

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, seems like Saki is the real deal this time. Turtle boys are going to have hard time with him...

[CookSux]

I don't believe Saki and Utroms worked together, he jus spoke of old enemies. Hi wealth is easily explained by Criminal activity, and The foot is not a poor organisation either.

Well they could have been partners, *then* turn his back on them or otherwise... causing a feud. And I don't think his wealth coming out of criminal activity like robbing banks grant them amnesty from the city to build such a majestic building... Saki is no idiot, he's gonna want some legal way of getting that cash so the government doesn't crack down on him and his organization.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, it's probably listed as New York office of a Japanese "company". I highly doubt that Saki has been allied with utroms, but you never know.

[GK Punk]

But you have to amdit Karpo, it could be that Saki was aligned with them, seeing as how his armor is apparently made by them

[CookSux]

Even if it was listed as a Japanese company, they would still have to get the rights to build or rent in the city. And if they have no legit method of getting that money then the government would get highly suspicious.

[Stefano]

But you have to amdit Karpo, it could be that Saki was aligned with them, seeing as how his armor is apparently made by them
Thats true. It also would be cool to find out about the two if they were friends and what happened

[Caliosidhe]

I think Saki could his own company, possibly in electronics. When he got the sword of Tengu he said to take it down to the Tech Division.. Not hand it off to Stocktronics.

Anyone else disturbed by the fact that the Turtles, the foot, even Splinter all had to handle the sword with the glove thing and Saki is completely unfazed? This Saki scares me. :lol:

[Zoé]

Lol! I hadn't even noticed that. Maybe the Turtles will have a hard time with Saki! I like how the show leaves us with questions, like this whole Utrom matter. I wonder then, if Shredder is linked with the Utroms, did he have a part in the creations of TGRI?

[CookSux]

I'm sure we're the only ones with such deep questions. People who just got into the fandom via this show probably doesn't really have that back knowledge to ask these kinds of questions.

[GK Punk]

Or maybe Saki (During the Alliance with Utroms) Put down the money and Put TCRI under his name.. or something to that effect *sweatdrop

[Barkworm]

Now we know that Saki's armor is utrom-made, so do you guys think it will have some kind of superpowers, like the sword of tengu has? I hope it won't, because I want to see Shredder fighting the turtles with his ninja skills. Nevertheless I think that the armor will have some special abilities.

[Lanagirl]

:o I don't know if it is a spoiler. I read the interview of Peter Laird. He said someone significant would die. :o I thought my heart would stop when i was reading it. But do you guys remember a very old interview(i don't remember with whom). The new show was not created yet. Somebody was asking about the Shredder that the bew toy looked like a robot and etc. And the man said that Shred was a human and he also said:"No death as far as i know" I remember his words very well. so may be Peter just wanted to make us more excited. In Tomb Raider(the PC game) her producer also said that Lara died and there wouldn't be a new game episode with her. But a bit later a new game appeared:Angel of Darkness. Starring: Lara Croft. :goofygri:
Well, i guess i will die before the show comes here. WILL IT EVER COME? :cry: :cry:

[GK Punk]

:o I don't know if it is a spoiler. I read the interview of Peter Laird. He said someone significant would die. :o I thought my heart would stop when i was reading it. But do you guys remember a very old interview(i don't remember with whom). The new show was not created yet. Somebody was asking about the Shredder that the bew toy looked like a robot and etc. And the man said that Shred was a human and he also said:"No death as far as i know" I remember his words very well. so may be Peter just wanted to make us more excited. In Tomb Raider(the PC game) her producer also said that Lara died and there wouldn't be a new game episode with her. But a bit later a new game appeared:Angel of Darkness. Starring: Lara Croft. :goofygri:
Well, i guess i will die before the show comes here. WILL IT EVER COME? :cry: :cry:

I think he was talking about the comic, not the animation...

[Lanagirl]

:o But the cartoon is based on comic books, isn't it? :-?

[Barkworm]

:o But the cartoon is based on comic books, isn't it? :-?
Yeah, but only loosely.

[Karpo_007]

Besides the new comic happnes about 15 years later.

I stil doubt any allience, The foot could have just build the armor with foreing alloys taken from Utroms' machines etc. And the money is not an issue, Many japanese companies have offices in New York. And if Mr. Oroku pays his taxes, no one will be intrested. ;)

[Lanagirl]

:P Oh dear! You made me feel a bit better though i'm still anxious.
Such things as taxes and Oroku Saki aren't compatible with each other. He's so greedy and evil and he drives me crazy :goofygri:

[Skeletoncrew]

But you have to amdit Karpo, it could be that Saki was aligned with them, seeing as how his armor is apparently made by them

I don't think the armor was necessarily made by the Utroms, but I think it could very well be made from Utrom materials. Alien materials fall into human hands, humans make what they know how to make using it. Such as the Sword of Tengu.

As for the other discussion, I'm sure Saki has a legitimate front for his organization. He wouldn't be able to live so openly if he didn't. Of course, he's probably bribing plenty of officials too.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah thats what I think too.

[CookSux]

Yes, his legal front is the selling of technological advancements, and etc... come on guys... Saki is a ninja, he isn't a scientist, engineer, or whatever. He sure is a smart one tho.

[Eye of Sarnath]

You know, you people are assuming that it is indeed the Utroms. It most certainly appears that way, but just because it looks that ways doesn't mean it is.

Also... I did see that Saki didn't need to wear the glove when handling the sword... maybe because the sword is his?

And while we're talking about the glove, it annoys me that Don, who only has three fingers, can wear a glove intended for someone with five fingers.

[Karpo_007]

Yes, he is a Ninja Leading a New York Branch of Japanese Organization called the Foot.

[HorseTechie]

Anyone else disturbed by the fact that the Turtles, the foot, even Splinter all had to handle the sword with the glove thing and Saki is completely unfazed? This Saki scares me. :lol:
Disturbed? No... intriqued, yes. I think either Saki somehow knew how to use it, thus didn't need the glove.

Whereas, the others guessed that the sword could also absorb the chi energy from the bare handed holder to activate the shock wave ability. I could imagine in the hands of the inexperinced, it would sent unexpected shockwaves at people and things, making a mess of the place!

And... I still think Saki had dealings with the Utroms at one point in time. We'll just have to seeee.... :D

[PanMan]

yeah i remember seeing saki hold the sword without the glove, but i guess i forgot to post it . . .

[Bry]

And while we're talking about the glove, it annoys me that Don, who only has three fingers, can wear a glove intended for someone with five fingers.

Maybe he just stuck his two fingers into two of the four finger-holes? :tsmile:

[XERO]

Maybe the glove was "One size fits all!" :lol:

[Lanagirl]

:o what's so special about this sword that Saki was holding? Well, you are all a bit suprised that Saki doesn't need to hide himself from the goverment and police. He had to do it in the old cartoon. Actually he used to be a poor guy. He didn't have anything except his robots, armor and grumbling Krang( i liked Krang). I'm very glad he is a rich man now. It is very nice to realize that Saki's behaviour causes some perplexity. There are a lot of such "Sakis" in Russia. Everybody knows they are criminals but even policemen are afraid of them. It upsets me. It's our life's style. Criminals rule our life, our goverment. So i'm not surprised that Saki could manage to establish his gang in everyone's sight :evilgrin:

[Karpo_007]

Yeah I have heard a lot of stories about russian Mafia...

[CookSux]

But this is America, Russia itself is run by the military. As long as the military gets what it needs, they leave the Russian Mafia alone considering they pay their dues. This isn't Cuba or any other nation. Thus places like Enron go down the tubes for not having a legit business. I still can't believe Arthur Anderson represented them and a few other bankrupt companies.

[Stefano]

I'm worried fox will cover the war instead of show fox box. I hope not