Fine For Cursing

[Guitar_Raph]

No, this isn't a topic to let out your anger.

RICHARDSON, TX: At a junior high school, when a student used profanity, they fined the parents $364, all for swearing! Wonder if that goes into the school's funds.

The mother claims that her son has autism.

[Candy Kappa]

fined for swearing... That's laughable

[Cowabunga Kiefer]

Ya know, I hear it's actually HEALTHY for someone to swear!

[Canadian Turtle]

Honestly that pisses me off! I remember almost getting suspended for swearing when i was mad. That made me even more mad! In another situation I swore in front of a teacher when a guy threw a bee at my (knocked it out of the air) which then stung me. I proceeded to drop the F a whole bunch of times including to her saying "he threw a F#$%ing bee at me". My friend says "your swearing at the teacher!" and the teacher turns to him and says "I understand he is under stress" hahaha! That is a teacher who gets it. What is wrong with those right wing conservative ass holes who CHARGE you for swearing I say F*** OFF to them.

[Candy Kappa]

this thread reminds me about the Penn and Teller episode about swearing :D

[PAAATE]

I've had a good bunch of teachers... Ever since the 6th grade no teachers have cared whether we cursed or not

Most of them even curse themselves

But whatever, that's just the way people talk

[Cipher]

Edit: No going around the system. You're not clever. - (Ai)

Edit: :( - (Cipher)

[Master Splinter]

F*ck this sh*t. That's ridiculous.

This is more than ridiculous its a violation of our right to free speech... I am not opposed to punishment like detention or whatever if the kid cursed in school but a fine? That is a little bit too much... :roll:

[Sewer Bull]

This is more than ridiculous its a violation of our right to free speech... I am not opposed to punishment like detention or whatever if the kid cursed in school but a fine? That is a little bit too much... :roll:

You clearly don't understand the idea of "a right to free speech".

[ToTheNines]

In West Virginia you get fined one dollar for each count of public cursing lol

It's not really enforced, unless you've already pissed a cop off and they're just trying to slap everything on you they can possibly stick.

[Master Splinter]

You clearly don't understand the idea of "a right to free speech".

No I do understand the right... But I also understand the idea of respect... When you have a student cussing like a sailor something needs to be done so the student doesn't disrupt the educational process of the other students who are respectful and have the right to be there to learn, not to listen to some foul mouthed sixth grader...

A fine is overboard is all I'm saying... Especially if there are other alternatives...

Now let me back track just a tad and also put this out there... I do think that if the cussing is done in a respectful way then it shouldn't be an issue at all...

Example... in a creative writing class a student should be able to express themselves every which way possible. This includes the use of profanity... but if the student uses the profanity in a non-respectful way then discipline should be applied... like say he cussed out the teacher because teacher gave him a bad grade... that would be disrespectful... but writing and reciting a poem with a couple choice words wouldnt be...

A little contradictory yes... But who isn't... ;)

-mm

[XERO]

When you have a student cussing like a sailor something needs to be done...

Yeah... laugh.

[Sewer Bull]

No I do understand the right... But I also understand the idea of respect... When you have a student cussing like a sailor something needs to be done so the student doesn't disrupt the educational process of the other students who are respectful and have the right to be there to learn, not to listen to some foul mouthed sixth grader...

A fine is overboard is all I'm saying... Especially if there are other alternatives...

Now let me back track just a tad and also put this out there... I do think that if the cussing is done in a respectful way then it shouldn't be an issue at all...

Example... in a creative writing class a student should be able to express themselves every which way possible. This includes the use of profanity... but if the student uses the profanity in a non-respectful way then discipline should be applied... like say he cussed out the teacher because teacher gave him a bad grade... that would be disrespectful... but writing and reciting a poem with a couple choice words wouldnt be...

A little contradictory yes... But who isn't... ;)

-mm

It was a junior high school and the student was a retarded kid, as his parents claim, so you example about "creative writing class" is a bit way overboard.

[Master Splinter]

It was a junior high school and the student was a retarded kid, as his parents claim, so you example about "creative writing class" is a bit way overboard.

As a very active member of my local school district I know that if the child has autism like the parents claim he has then the child should have an IEP (Individualized Education Program) on file that states he has a problem with blurting out profanity. This is required by ALL school districts who receive public funding as outlined by the IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act)... If the student does have autism and has never received an IEP then now is the time to develop one for the child... BOTTOM LINE!

If this happens to be a private school (I missed it and didn't check) then they pretty much can do whatever they want...

I apologize for my "way overboard" example but it was geared mainly towards general classroom situations and not Special Education. Which in my opinion is completely different...

And just to throw this out there.. Just because the kid might have autism does not in any way mean he is retarded... Yes you may be able to find some documentation that states that 75%-80% of autism cases also have mental retardation that still does not mean this kid is... Autism can affect the learning-disabled all the way to geniuses... People with mental retardation usually have the same development without much improvement. People with autism can have a fluxuation of development... Some people with autism can play music beautifully, paint an incredible picture, or perform calculations that would embarrass Rain-Man (he had autism!)...

Just saying I'm sure you wouldn't want to be called something you are not... If the parents said autism, then it's autism, not retarded...

I think we both agree that the fine was wrong... We are just going down a different path to express our viewpoints... Kudos to you for being the Devil's Advocate and make me put the education I paid for to work... :evilgrin:

-mm

[Shipoopi02]

A fine is ridiculous, especially when given to the parents who didn't do the cussing, but the kid does need to know that it does disrupt as classroom (except in the unfortunate case of the bee stinging the one guy, and I can understand cussing after that) and needs to be disciplined accordingly (detention or something like that). It's not a matter of whether or not the cussing is protected free speech (let alone right or wrong) but rather how it can infringe on the rights of the other students listening.

As for the excuse of the child being autistic, although I would not put it past someone with autistic tendencies to cuss about something, I don't believe that excuse works in this instance. Autism does not have any common symptoms involved that can be described as coprolalia (blurting out cuss words out of the blue). It may be specific to the kid, but I see it as being unlikely. However, Tourette's Syndrome does. It sounds like the parents don't want to take the responsibility that their child did get in trouble, although at the same time, they shouldn't be punished for it either. The child can take responsibility. Take this as ya will.

[ThirdMarioBro]

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[Archon_Turtle]

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[Sewer Bull]

And just to throw this out there.. Just because the kid might have autism does not in any way mean he is retarded... Yes you may be able to find some documentation that states that 75%-80% of autism cases also have mental retardation that still does not mean this kid is...

You are kind of proving my point here now.

Just saying I'm sure you wouldn't want to be called something you are not...

Oh, I wouldn't mind being called a smart guy, myself.

I think we both agree that the fine was wrong... We are just going down a different path to express our viewpoints... Kudos to you for being the Devil's Advocate and make me put the education I paid for to work... :evilgrin:


I'm wondering where exactly I said I believe the fine was wrong.

[Master Splinter]

Oy Vey... :dead:

[saiyan_monkey]

A fine is ridiculous, especially when given to the parents who didn't do the cussing

Here in NZ in most cases if a child is under the age of 15 the parents get the fine UNLESS its something like riding a bike with no helmet and crap like that. Unless the kid works or earns money in some way the parents have to pay for it anyway.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

How times change. When I was a child growing up in school, I never heard of any classmates being fined as a punishment, apart from such things as overdue library books and the like. It was always something like detention or the like.

In junior high school, I got detention three times, twice for being late to school and once for a very brief fistfight with a classmate. Other classmates were actually proud of me for the latter. ;)

[Mecha Cow]

I can understand a child being scolded for cursing at an inappropriate time, but a fine is ridiculous and they know it. Grown men and women shouldn't be complaining about swearing anyway.

[That Matt Guy]

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Fine that Texas.

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[Voltron]

I like how we digress from swearing to the classification of retardation.

As for the freedom of speech thing, I hold with Sewer Bull, even if he changed his name to something ridiculous like his real life nick name. Seriously, what the **** is up with that?

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