View Full Version : Potential positives from the buyout.
Okay, I may go off-path here, stating what I think will happen, but bear with me.
When I think of the buyout from Nick, I think of a few positives.
1. Spongebob is a good cartoon and I am about to be 31... It has adult humor in there, so that can't be a bad thing for Turtles humor... Possibly even blending slapstick humor like the OT, with number 2.
2. Avatar is a very adult oriented program at times. Can be very dark, while not going overboard. This means we could see some incredible action from the new TMNT show. Blend the action from the 2K3 series, with the slapstick of the OT, and you got the makings of what could be an excellent cartoon.
Now when I think of the buyout even more, I think of what happens if they get permission or the rights to the Fred Wolf characters (ie Slash, Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang, etc.)
What if Nick saw Turtles Forever, and wanted to remake the old show, but with more action? Seeing that clip of Turtles Forever even got me thinking of how I would like to see the old toon again, redone with better animation, new stories, but with more action.
I mean who knows.
Imagine if they got the best of all worlds. Action of 2K3 and some characters from 2K3 (Bishop please, Hun, Touch and Go, etc,) with the humor and characters of the OT (Krang, Slash, Dirtbag, Groundchuck, etc,) and even put spins on characters from the comics, which you guys would know more about.
I mean things could be good, but only time will tell.
I also imagine Paramount releasing the 2k3 series, since they now have the rights to TMNT in full. This is a guess, but if they did, hopefully we will see a re-release of all seasons, or just season 3,4, BttS, and Turtles Forever.
I just hope that somehow those make it out on DVD, and if not, I will be saddened.
Above all, I just hope that showing of Turtles Forever at least makes it to TV, so I can DVR it, like I did BttS, and put them on VHS, which is better than not having them at all.
CyberCubed
10-21-2009, 02:22 PM
Its also obvious that now old toon characters like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady are no longer off-limits.
Now that Peter has no say in the matter, Nick could potentially bring back many of the characters from the original series. This new show could very well be a re-imagining of many characters and mutants from the old toon universe.
Dragon Turtle
10-21-2009, 02:27 PM
Now when I think of the buyout even more, I think of what happens if they get permission or the rights to the Fred Wolf characters (ie Slash, Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang, etc.)
Since Mirage owns the rights to those characters, I'm sure those rights have transferred over to Nick as well.
Andrew NDB
10-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Its also obvious that now old toon characters like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady are no longer off-limits.
Now that Peter has no say in the matter, Nick could potentially bring back many of the characters from the original series. This new show could very well be a re-imagining of many characters and mutants from the old toon universe.
Does anyone have a punching bag they can FedEx to my door? A big one? I'll pay the shipping.
Dragon Turtle
10-21-2009, 02:57 PM
I personally hope Nick keeps the tone of the 2k3 cartoon as that version is the most recognizable with today's kids, and such shows as X-Men and Avatar prove they're not all about slapstick kiddie fare. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing updated versions of a few OT characters, however.
Nelson
10-21-2009, 07:09 PM
Does anyone have a punching bag they can FedEx to my door? A big one? I'll pay the shipping.
LOL. I don't know, man. I kind of think that if we're not going to get a mature TMNT, then the next best thing is to go to the other extreme, embrace completely the ridiculous concepts of the old toon.
Bah, I'm still confused about all this.
CyberCubed
10-21-2009, 08:12 PM
Peter basically implied on his blog that its possible many of the original cartoon characters and mutants would make their return.
I had a feeling this would happen.
And the return of Venus!
Its obvious old stuff will come back again like mutants and what not.
The biggest pro is 4kids wasn't going to make any new tv show for a quite a while and now we have one confirmed for 2012.
Mr._Mutant_Man
10-21-2009, 08:45 PM
Really the only downside I see is the future of the comic books. I would have preferred to see Disney or WB buy the turtles, that way maybe we'd see comic releases through Marvel or DC.
Other than that though, someone else buying the TMNT means someone else is interested enough for there to be a possible future.
BoggleKng
10-21-2009, 09:24 PM
The comic books were the real art behind the Turtles. The art and beauty of the story in comics can never be appreciated on TV...
Cipher
10-21-2009, 09:39 PM
The comic books were the real art behind the Turtles. The art and beauty of the story in comics can never be appreciated on TV...This times 100.
Seriously, Nick will probably do a decent job with a more light-hearted (or maybe even dark) cartoon. I certainly have no reason to believe it would be any better or worse than the 4Kids cartoon. If you loved the cartoons above everything else, you have every reason to celebrate right now.
But for comic book fans, the only real positive from the buyout is the possibility of a larger company getting more TPBs of the old material out there. And that chance is ... slim, at least for now.
Coola Yagami
10-21-2009, 09:48 PM
The comic books were the real art behind the Turtles. The art and beauty of the story in comics can never be appreciated on TV...
You mean like Lawson's recent stuff?
Cipher
10-21-2009, 09:50 PM
you mean like lawson's recent stuff?yeah i r haet teh blockiness cuz its not dark and rillistic rah.
METALHEAD
10-21-2009, 09:55 PM
i'm been positive and whole day since i heard the news.
John Pannozzi
10-21-2009, 10:03 PM
The most I'm hoping for is a conclusion to Vol. 4 and some TPBs.
audman
10-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Don't know with the suggestion too bad disney did not pick up tmnt to publish. Got me thinking what is to stop Disney from buying Nickelodeon. We have so far seen some insane changes in almost the span of a summer. Disney and Marvel. Now this. Could happen in the next 10 years if things keep going crazy town like they have been.
sorry on total sleep depravation. grammar is poor right now.
Raph's Girl
10-22-2009, 08:01 PM
The most I'm hoping for is a conclusion to Vol. 4 and some TPBs.
That'll be a negative on TPB's. Mirage can't release any new TPB's and can now only release books that aren't bigger than like 48 pages. :ohwell:
Kendamu
10-22-2009, 08:01 PM
The most I'm hoping for is a conclusion to Vol. 4 and some TPBs.
Well, we're not getting TPBs, but we are getting at least a few more comics between now and next May.
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle
10-22-2009, 08:15 PM
Don't know with the suggestion too bad disney did not pick up tmnt to publish. Got me thinking what is to stop Disney from buying Nickelodeon. We have so far seen some insane changes in almost the span of a summer. Disney and Marvel. Now this. Could happen in the next 10 years if things keep going crazy town like they have been.
sorry on total sleep depravation. grammar is poor right now.
Eventually, I can see Disney buying out Nick. I'm honestly kinda surprised Disney didn't swoop in and buy the TMNT property.
BoggleKng
10-22-2009, 08:31 PM
You mean like Lawson's recent stuff?
No, I mean, like Return to New York and City at War...
Lordmylar06
10-22-2009, 08:44 PM
Potential positive: The Technodrome forum will get more traffic.
Spitfire
10-23-2009, 08:18 PM
There's 3 choice words that made me have negative thoughts towards the new series idea. Computer generated images, CGI. I said it before and I'll say it again, man I hate CGI turtles
I'm not too happy with the whole thing the more I think about it. Mainly because of Nick's setting and tone right now. They've made good things in the past, but how's the current quality of things being put out now? Other than Avatar, what other good shows do they have?
The fact that it's also more than likely going to be CGI has me a bit sad as well.
There will probably be positives about all of this that I can't see, but I'm probably too jaded now to see anything good right now...
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle
10-23-2009, 11:39 PM
Hopefully Nick will give the 2k3 series proper season DVD releases.
Kendamu
10-23-2009, 11:58 PM
Other than Avatar, what other good shows do they have?
They're trying to change their image and make better cartoons. That's part of why they bought TMNT.
Coola Yagami
10-24-2009, 01:52 AM
Another positive.... yet another version of April to oogle at....
And I'm kiddin with the Lawson stuff, Splinter's weird mustache aside, I got used to the art style.
Sage Ninja
10-28-2009, 03:44 PM
Okay, I may go off-path here, stating what I think will happen, but bear with me.
When I think of the buyout from Nick, I think of a few positives.
1. Spongebob is a good cartoon and I am about to be 31... It has adult humor in there, so that can't be a bad thing for Turtles humor... Possibly even blending slapstick humor like the OT, with number 2.
2. Avatar is a very adult oriented program at times. Can be very dark, while not going overboard. This means we could see some incredible action from the new TMNT show. Blend the action from the 2K3 series, with the slapstick of the OT, and you got the makings of what could be an excellent cartoon.
Now when I think of the buyout even more, I think of what happens if they get permission or the rights to the Fred Wolf characters (ie Slash, Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang, etc.)
What if Nick saw Turtles Forever, and wanted to remake the old show, but with more action? Seeing that clip of Turtles Forever even got me thinking of how I would like to see the old toon again, redone with better animation, new stories, but with more action.
I mean who knows.
Imagine if they got the best of all worlds. Action of 2K3 and some characters from 2K3 (Bishop please, Hun, Touch and Go, etc,) with the humor and characters of the OT (Krang, Slash, Dirtbag, Groundchuck, etc,) and even put spins on characters from the comics, which you guys would know more about.
I mean things could be good, but only time will tell.
I also imagine Paramount releasing the 2k3 series, since they now have the rights to TMNT in full. This is a guess, but if they did, hopefully we will see a re-release of all seasons, or just season 3,4, BttS, and Turtles Forever.
I just hope that somehow those make it out on DVD, and if not, I will be saddened.
Above all, I just hope that showing of Turtles Forever at least makes it to TV, so I can DVR it, like I did BttS, and put them on VHS, which is better than not having them at all.
If this new turtles toon could be a continuation of the 80's toon or a remake of it I would be happy if it it's charm and orginality from the old toon would be realized again. My ideal would be if the had the same elements as Avatar The last Air Bender that X described(especially the marticial arts in it it) as well as the adult humor that spatters many of the sillier properties of Nick orginal toons.
If it is a remake It would be cool to see a diffrent take on the same characters from the orginal series. Like maybe make Bebop and Rocksteady more threatening, and have a diffrent take on how April meets up with the turtles. Have the turtles be as charming and funny as the 80's toon but with more indepth characterzations. And I would love to see some of the orginal characters introduced in the 80's toon have a different crack at it.
Like Mondo Gecko. His origins of being orginally a human rock star turned mutant in the archies sounds like it would be a cool new take on his character.
And Leatherhead's origin in the archies as a human who got changed into a gator man by a vodoo witch sounds pretty damn awsome, that I would like to see a shot at in a remake.
And other characters like Lugnut and Screwloose could get better potrayals like they did in the archie comics than they did in the show.
And Slash has so much potential as a foil for the other four turtles of being violent and evil rather than a borderline retarded submutant that he was portrayed as in the 80's toon.
Heck maybe they can even have April as a reporter again and then evolve into something else over time so that she isn't constantly searching for a "scoop" all the time. Maybe she becomes a cop eventually?
I see so much potenticial if they go the 80's toon continuation or remake route if they handled it with respect and give the same tone as say Wolverine and the X-Men or Avatar.
The fact that it's also more than likely going to be CGI has me a bit sad as well.
There will probably be positives about all of this that I can't see, but I'm probably too jaded now to see anything good right now...
these are also my concerns too. I have alot of hope for this but I know there is respectably large margin that i'll be woefully disapointed since my hopes of ever having a turtles medium aimed at my age group has now forever been shot down. Whether I like this new direction or not will only be a by product since Nick doesn't care what a twenty something year old wants in a turtle show.
I'm also disgusted and annoyed with the thought of this being CGI animation. That is my biggest turn off and could really hurt my enjoyment even if the writing and characters are great if it looks like blocky ugly computer game graphics. I'm so sick of this new wave CGI animation crap. It's saddens me that every one is turning more and more toward this animation medium.
moonlai
10-28-2009, 04:27 PM
If the cgi is at least as good as the 2007 movie, I'll be happy with a cgi show, but I'm not getting my hopes up because in order to make a tv show out of it I can't imagine they'll be able to keep up with a budget big enough to produce that quality of animation.
Also, while I remember loving the old show as a kid, I've grown up, and I want a show that is a little more grown up too. I hear that that is kind of what the 2003 series is, so I suppose it wouldn't be all bad if they reverted to the old style.
One good thing I can think of for the comics is that if nick licenses the series out to another comic book company we could get some fresh perspectives on the characters and maybe see a new direction for the series in a volume 5. Also, with nicks budget, a lot more can be done with the series in general, like expanding it into multiple titles. Depending on what company licenses it, there could even be some crossovers which would be cool.
saiyan_monkey
10-31-2009, 02:53 PM
Potential positive 1: More tmnt toon to watch
Potential positive 2: *fingers crossed* more cards for me to collect.
Side note: Avatar's one of my favourites.
Mr._Mutant_Man
11-01-2009, 09:12 AM
Another positive.... yet another version of April to oogle at....
I wonder what April's fashion sense is going to be like this time around. First we had the yellow jumpsuit...then we had the belly shirt. I wonder what she'll look like in 2012. I'd like to say it would depend on what's fashionable in that time, but were yellow jumpsuits ever a fashionable item?:P
Hmm, I notice how in the yellow jumpsuit version, the illustrators tend to refrain from drawing her cleavage. The purple top is rather tight fitting, but doesn't show any cleavage. Would most people here want more or less cleavage in the new version? (I don't mean any offence by this to anyone who may find this offensive, just a curious thought, really.)
AquaParade
11-01-2009, 01:24 PM
Hmm, I notice how in the yellow jumpsuit version, the illustrators tend to refrain from drawing her cleavage. The purple top is rather tight fitting, but doesn't show any cleavage. Would most people here want more or less cleavage in the new version? (I don't mean any offence by this to anyone who may find this offensive, just a curious thought, really.)
Less, I suppose. If only because it gives her a "sexy" image...and in my mind, well April isn't too sexy haha. I think of her as more of a loner until the turtles stumble into her life, and make it slightly amazing.
Brodie
11-01-2009, 01:36 PM
Potential positives from the buyout.
Ninja Turtles still exists, and will exist longer than they probably deserve to.
Especially after the last few years.
People can bitch all they want, but they should feel lucky SOMEONE had interest in doing something with the franchise. Considering if it was left to Laird, and there was no buyout, the TMNT existence would have continued to dwindle, at an increasingly fast rate, until they'd be nothing but a t-shirt at a close-out store.
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