What if Forever War still got a chance?

[Demon-Alukard]

I was impressed by the recent thread, where the people started discussing the possible conclusion of the third volume. And I really liked that the original team of creators were ready to help.

As we all know, Forever War was officially cancelled. And now there is no chance to see the end of the Archie storyline. But maybe Stephen Murphy will agree to make a non-commercial project in collaboration with fans.
I'm an artist, and if you are interested in my fan comics, you can look at the thread about the TMNT SaiNW: Beginning of the End trilogy:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=24594&highlight=Sainw

My current style is pretty similar to Chris Allan's and I consider it to be very suitable for FW. You can see it here (sorry, dialogues are only on Russian):

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6878/iscomicbattlespecialp02t.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1768/iscomicbattlespecialp04.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6449/iscomicbattlespecialp06.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2703/iscomicbattlespecialp08y.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3999/iscomicbattlespecialp10g.png

The main thing is that I don't know how to contact Steve Murphy. If anyone knows his e-mail, please PM me. I'll try to contact him and persuade him that it would be really great thing to conclude this story at last.

[Roseangelo]

There are already some Forever War efforts in very early stages of planning by some fans, including the possibility of completing the comic. But exactly what and how much can be done is information that we simply have to wait on for right now. But if you keep checking back, any relevant info will surely be posted in the comic forum if help is needed.

[Andrew NDB]

I was impressed by the recent thread, where the people started discussing the possible conclusion of the third volume. And I really liked that the original team of creators were ready to help.

As we all know, Forever War was officially cancelled. And now there is no chance to see the end of the Archie storyline. But maybe Stephen Murphy will agree to make a non-commercial project in collaboration with fans.
I'm an artist, and if you are interested in my fan comics, you can look at the thread about the TMNT SaiNW: Beginning of the End trilogy:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=24594&highlight=Sainw

My current style is pretty similar to Chris Allan's and I consider it to be very suitable for FW. You can see it here (sorry, dialogues are only on Russian):

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6878/iscomicbattlespecialp02t.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1768/iscomicbattlespecialp04.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6449/iscomicbattlespecialp06.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2703/iscomicbattlespecialp08y.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3999/iscomicbattlespecialp10g.png

The main thing is that I don't know how to contact Steve Murphy. If anyone knows his e-mail, please PM me. I'll try to contact him and persuade him that it would be really great thing to conclude this story at last.

Should coordinate with Buffy around here.

There are plans.

[Demon-Alukard]

There are already some Forever War efforts in very early stages of planning by some fans, including the possibility of completing the comic. But exactly what and how much can be done is information that we simply have to wait on for right now. But if you keep checking back, any relevant info will surely be posted in the comic forum if help is needed.
Murphy showed the first five pages of the comic and the early covers for all the five issues, which may become the basis of the fan version of FW. But it would be really great if Steve himself would provide us with the script.

[Buffy]

Hi everybody! Sorry for my late reply. I was hoping to draw myself (I still have to send Andrew the sketches I made). But I kinda suck with backgrounds so maybe you could help with that?

[Roseangelo]

Murphy showed the first five pages of the comic and the early covers for all the five issues, which may become the basis of the fan version of FW. But it would be really great if Steve himself would provide us with the script.

Yes, I know. What I was referring to is that Buffy is already in contact with Steve regarding this, but as she wants to draw it herself, it's her call how much additional help she gets.

[Lordmylar06]

Hi everybody! Sorry for my late reply. I was hoping to draw myself (I still have to send Andrew the sketches I made). But I kinda suck with backgrounds so maybe you could help with that?

Nobody loves backgrounds lol. I'll do entire pages if someone gives me script and layout. Backgrounds included!

[Demon-Alukard]

Yes, I know. What I was referring to is that Buffy is already in contact with Steve regarding this, but as she wants to draw it herself, it's her call how much additional help she gets.

I think that we should choose not the one who was the first to propose, but the one whose art is more suitable. Since we plan to create the conclusion to such a great storyline, which was mostly drawn by Chris Allan, I suppose that it would be better if the FW art will look similar to his.

I can actually do this, I have some experience in creating comics, and I'm pretty sure that I'll finish my work.

Nobody loves backgrounds lol. I'll do entire pages if someone gives me script and layout. Backgrounds included!

Well, it's not true -- backgrounds create the atmosphere of the comic. Moreover, in FW there would be many dystopian scenes, depicting the devastated cities and stuff. And I like to do backs very much.

I looked through your gallery on DA - it's pretty good, but all your characters are highly stylized (except the one work with the future TMNTs, but it also has its own disadvantages). However, as I said, I mean to create the art that would be as much similar to Allan's as possible.

I also intend to do the whole comic. It would be very inconvenient to separate the work on the characters/backs, because I'm doing traditional art, on paper. I think it would be better if someone will help me with coloring. And I mean digital coloring, like here:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6449/iscomicbattlespecialp06.jpg

[Roseangelo]

There's a reason a thread for this hasn't been started by the people already involved. Please drop the topic for now and a new one will be started when and if it needs to be.

[Andrew NDB]

There's a reason a thread for this hasn't been started by the people already involved

Exactly right.

[Demon-Alukard]

Ok, I see...

I only was going to offer the help and expected to receive certain cooperation in response. Probably, I was wrong and the initiative is not welcomed here.

[Andrew NDB]

You misunderstand. Just check back in a couple weeks. :)

[Buffy]

Andrew is right: you've misunderstood. Please check back in a couple of weeks.

[Demon-Alukard]

You misunderstand. Just check back in a couple weeks. :)

I just wanted you to give me some advice, but all I see is criticism. But, thanks to Buffy, now I understand the details.

Well, now we have to wait what Murphy has to say =)

[clockworkjoe]

any updates?

[ToTheNines]

This would be awesome. I'm so glad fans are making stuff happen even while Nick is just letting TMNT cool off for a while.

[Demon-Alukard]

any updates?

Steve will give the scripts... but cannot until June of next year. He signed a "I can't talk about TMNT for 18 months" agreement.

[DrSpengler]

Steve will give the scripts... but cannot until June of next year. He signed a "I can't talk about TMNT for 18 months" agreement. He confirmed that yes, he will give the scripts to me and Andrew in June of 2011.

That's pretty cool of him.:)

[CyberCubed]

Steve will give the scripts... but cannot until June of next year. He signed a "I can't talk about TMNT for 18 months" agreement. He confirmed that yes, he will give the scripts to me and Andrew in June of 2011.

That's some time away. Nice though.

[ToTheNines]

Great news! Further away than I would like, but still great news.

[discordiatookie]

That's freakin' awesome! I'm glad for you - your artwork is pretty great! Was it yourself that sent in that art to Lawson last year, celebrating his birthday, by the way? Just outta curiosity...

[Demon-Alukard]

Was it yourself that sent in that art to Lawson last year, celebrating his birthday, by the way?

Yep, it was me. I also made the similar present this year =)

[Cipher]

I read #64 for the first time today, and I have to say, I'm not entirely convinced that "The Forever War" is necessary. Yes, some plot threads would be left open, the Shredder's primarily, but most things are nicely wrapped up by that issue.

All in all, #64 really reads like a beautiful conclusion to the series, with the "Dreamland" arc acting as a stand-alone bonus. I certainly don't feel like anything was missing thematically. And that epilogue was the most baller way to end any story arc in a children's series ever. I'm shocked they allowed that to run.

EDIT - Meant #61.

[Demon-Alukard]

I read #64 for the first time today, and I have to say, I'm not entirely convinced that "The Forever War" is necessary. Yes, some plot threads would be left open, the Shredder's primarily, but most things are nicely wrapped up by that issue.
There is also ##65-70 and arc "Moon Eyes Saga"...

[Cipher]

There is also ##65-70 and arc "Moon Eyes Saga"...#65-70 is the "Dreamland" arc, which is a self-contained story about the future Turtles and Verminator-X.

The Moon Eyes saga just isn't really necessary. #64 says everything that needs to be said about Raph and Ninjara; they'll be together as long as they can, and we know from the future Turtles it doesn't hold. I'm not saying everything that comes after that issue is terrible or should be ignored. But in lack of a proper conclusion, #64 works as a series finale really, really well.

But I guess it depends on how post-modern you feel like getting with your kids' series. 'Cause it's a pretty heavy note to go out on.

EDIT - My number is off. I meant #61, with the "Dreamland" arc actuallybeing #62-67.

[Leo656]

While not tied up exactly, the "Moon Eyes" saga was touched on during Ninjara's three-issue appearance in Furrlough. The story was never completed, but by that point Mokoshan had been killed, leaving Ninjara to raise their child and seek revenge for Mokoshan's murder.

I'd be interested in seeing where that went, but shoehorning it into a conclusive ending for TMNTA just might be more needlessly complicated than a payoff would merit.

[Cipher]

So, this whole time I was saying #64, I meant #61. Re-read previous posts with #61 instead.

[Demon-Alukard]

#65-70 is the "Dreamland" arc, which is a self-contained story about the future Turtles and Verminator-X.

The Moon Eyes saga just isn't really necessary. #64 says everything that needs to be said about Raph and Ninjara; they'll be together as long as they can, and we know from the future Turtles it doesn't hold

"Dreamland" (or "Cyber Turtles" arc) are issues ##62-66. "The Moon Eyes saga" is #67-70. And what do you mean by necessary? It's the part of the main story about current Turtles, even more necessary when "Cyber Turtles".

Present Time is changed after death of all Mutanimals, and we don't know for real future of Turtles. So this is it - the first difference between Present and Future: Raphael's relationship with Ninjara wasn't very long. Who knows what will happen next?

"Forever War", of course, that would change both the Present and Future timelines.

[CyberCubed]

I still consider "Year of the Turtle" the end of the Archie series, even if it wasn't written by Murphy. Shredder gets wrapped up in that mini-series far better than in Archie.

[ToTheNines]

I still consider "Year of the Turtle" the end of the Archie series, even if it wasn't written by Murphy. Shredder gets wrapped up in that mini-series far better than in Archie.

Wait, that was canon?

[CyberCubed]

It was a separate short mini-series written after the Archie run ended. It wasn't written by Murphy.

It still kept Splinter's human origin, (Splinter de-mutates back into Hamato Yoshi), Shredder loses his mind at the end of it, and then the finale ends with Splinter saying, "This was the last Turtle story, after this one you'll have heard them all."

[Andrew NDB]

and then the finale ends with Splinter saying, "This was the last Turtle story, after this one you'll have heard them all."

Accidentally quite fitting.

[Cipher]

It still kept Splinter's human origin, (Splinter de-mutates back into Hamato Yoshi), Shredder loses his mind at the end of it, and then the finale ends with Splinter saying, "This was the last Turtle story, after this one you'll have heard them all."Yeah, but #61 ends with a total mindf*ck. Way more awesome.

[John Pannozzi]

Steve will give the scripts... but cannot until June of next year. He signed a "I can't talk about TMNT for 18 months" agreement.

That's awesome, but personally, I think that when Steve gives you the scripts, you should try to get IDW, Dark Horse or Image (or maybe even Boom Studios) to publish the story officially. If we're fairly close to getting an official conclusion to Volume 3 published by Image, then I think that getting an official Forever War story published by one of these companies isn't out of the question.

[Demon-Alukard]

I think that when Steve gives you the scripts, you should try to get IDW, Dark Horse or Image (or maybe even Boom Studios) to publish the story officially.
I think I should just draw it.

[VaughnMichael]

I think I should just draw it.
Is there a place I may see your art?

[Lordmylar06]

I think I should just draw it.

I think I'm going to go ahead and chime in here. I know you think you're entitled to the story, and it's great you have that passion about it, but I was under the impression that Buffy and Andrew were coordinating the project.

Do you have sole claim to all the art duties on this?

[VaughnMichael]

I'd quite honestly rather see the old archie artists work on it, no offense to anyone else.
But if it's not done by them it's not going to feel quite right...

[Roseangelo]

I think I should just draw it.

So, this is all about you and what anyone else thinks doesn't matter at all? Given the choice between you (or any other fan) or going official, going official wins. Period.

[Archon_Turtle]

Uh...guys...not to side with (one of the) overtly aggressive fans in this thread...But...a fan project is a fan project...So if the guy wants to draw himself a resolution to the archie storyline, whos to stop him? I mean...if I wanted to draw up a sequel to...The Gingerdead Man (you should totally go watch that movie right now by the way) as a fan project, why shouldn't I be able to?

If a dozen people wanted to draw up an ending to the archie series, more power to them. I fail to see why peoples collective panties are getting bunched.

[oldmanwinters]

I'd quite honestly rather see the old archie artists work on it, no offense to anyone else.
But if it's not done by them it's not going to feel quite right...

I hear you. I really would love to read the scripts, but fan art would probably just leave a bittersweet taste in my mouth.

That's not to discourage anyone involved in the project, of course. It's just my two cents.:)

[Andrew NDB]

When/if the scripts are actually in our hands, I think it'd be insane not to approach Chris Allan to see if he'd be interested in some level of involvement. That's a bridge to be crossed when it comes.

That said, the odds are low of him agreeing to pencil/ink the whole thing. One possibility would be securing any existing work he'd done so far in it, or on covers or such. If he were to say, "Yes! I'm down to draw the whole thing!" would anyone of sound mind tell him, "No, sorry, we're covered"? Probably not. But again, a bridge to be crossed when it comes.

And don't worry, the big "Is there a chance it can go official/be actually published?" will certainly be a thing exlpored when the time is right. There's just legal boundaries preventing that from even being entertained right now (oddly unlike the Image conclusion and other miscellani).

[oldmanwinters]

When/if the scripts are actually in our hands, I think it'd be insane not to approach Chris Allan to see if he'd be interested in some level of involvement. That's a bridge to be crossed when it comes.

That said, the odds are low of him agreeing to pencil/ink the whole thing. One possibility would be securing any existing work he'd done so far in it, or on covers or such.

It would be great to see Allan have at least one more bit of involvement with the TMNT.

It might be interesting to contact Ken Mitchroney if Allan is out of the picture. I'd actually be ecstatic about that possibility.

[Demon-Alukard]

Is there a place I may see your art?
Yep it's in the first post to this thread. You may also check out my gallery here:
http://www.demon-alukard.deviantart.com

And here's my fan comic SaiNW (on the english as well):
http://www.turtlemania.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99&Itemid=121

I know you think you're entitled to the story, and it's great you have that passion about it, but I was under the impression that Buffy and Andrew were coordinating the project. Do you have sole claim to all the art duties on this?

I just got an idea of Archie continuation by myself when FW was cancelled officially, and I found out about Buffy/Andrew involvement later. And yes, at the moment I intend to do pencil/ink to the comic.

And besides, I make my own fan-comic TMNT SaiNW: Beginning of the End. The first three issues are online, and the fourth is on the way. I know that I can finish what I start.

So, this is all about you and what anyone else thinks doesn't matter at all? Given the choice between you (or any other fan) or going official, going official wins. Period.

It seems you just misunderstood me. I mean that I don't care if the comic gonna be published in DH, Image or not published at all and put online. I just want all these fifteen years of waiting to end. If it's gonna be published, it's gonna be great! But I think it's too soon to discuss it right now.

When/if the scripts are actually in our hands, I think it'd be insane not to approach Chris Allan to see if he'd be interested in some level of involvement.
I completely support this.

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah no offense but I'd love for Chris Allan to do this.
It's not that your style is bad or anything but something does bother me about the turtles eyes.
I can't place exactly what it is thats bothering me either it's odd, the work does strike me as fan art though(even though that's what it is lol).
But that may have allot to do that I'm a really big fan of Chris Allan & Ryan Browns art.
Hmm would you try and draw more like how the Archie TMNT comics look then if you got to do this?

[Buffy]

This is kinda getting out of hand and there isn't even a script yet. We'll just have to wait until 2011. Of course it would be awesome if Chris Allan got involved with the project, we'll have to keep our fingers crossed.

[Demon-Alukard]

Yeah no offense but I'd love for Chris Allan to do this.
It's not that your style is bad or anything but something does bother me about the turtles eyes.
I can't place exactly what it is thats bothering me either it's odd, the work does strike me as fan art though(even though that's what it is lol).
But that may have allot to do that I'm a really big fan of Chris Allan & Ryan Browns art.
Hmm would you try and draw more like how the Archie TMNT comics look then if you got to do this?

I would also glad to see the FW made by Allan, and my desire to draw the comic, as I said, appeared after it was officially cancelled. I doubt that Chris will make the whole comic for free, just for fans. That's why I'm here.

About the art... It was made not for FW, it was just for fun. Of course if I'm gonna draw the FW comic, I will make it as more similar to Allan's work as possible.

[VaughnMichael]

I don't think anyone expects chris to do it for free, I think quite a few of us would chip in some cash to see this done correctly.

[Master Splinter]

If a dozen people wanted to draw up an ending to the archie series, more power to them. I fail to see why peoples collective panties are getting bunched.

I have to agree with this... Now, I must say that I'd rather something official come out but having a fan made ending is still great to have... Especially with the caliber of art that some of ya'll on this forum can provide...

-ms

[Lordmylar06]

When/if the scripts are actually in our hands, I think it'd be insane not to approach Chris Allan to see if he'd be interested in some level of involvement.

Did you know that you're my hero? First Image volume 3, and I'll keep my fingers crossed for this.

[ToTheNines]

I'm not entirely convinced that "The Forever War" is necessary.

Ya know, if it weren't for it being advertised back in the day, and then hyped up again during last decade... no one would be clammoring for an Archie swan song.

61, Moon Eyes, and Year of the Turtle could all be used as finales, but the fact that we know Deave Murphain has one more script up his sleeve is what puts it in such high demand.

[CyberCubed]

Also since Shredder was in the adverts, I'd like to see how they finish him off for good in the Archie universe.

[John Pannozzi]

Any chance of this project getting published officially by IDW, Andrew and Tristan?

[TristanHuwJones]

I dunno man, all I saw was the announcement made just before at Wondercon. I think details of the deal and creative teams and whatnot are still under wraps...

[John Pannozzi]

It's now past June of 2011, is Murphy allowed to talk about TMNT again?

[Venom]

It's now past June of 2011, is Murphy allowed to talk about TMNT again?

Technically, yes, now whether or not he does is another matter. His email is still good if you wish to send an email to him. He's staying busy these days but he'll eventually get back to ya. :)

[Whitewolf89]

Just curious: what's the latest news on this? I've been wanting to see "Forever War" done/complete for awhile now (I was HUGELY disappointed whgen someone here said that it was permamently cancelled. ESPECIALLY when it (the mini-series) was advertised in the Free Comic Book Day Mirage 25th Anniversary reprint of Volume 1, Issue of the TMNT series), and I'm hoping that we hear something soon.

Actually, it would be great to see IDW pick this up and make an OFFICIAL end to the Archie TMNT series. Just have to wait and see, though, I guess.:twink:

[Andrew NDB]

The word is that Steve has had a bit of turnabout on things -- he's holding out on the hope that IDW might consider publishing the Forever War through official channels. He's going to give them some time to mull it over and if they either say no or sit on it for longer than a few months then it's game on with the original plan.

[oldmanwinters]

The word is that Steve has had a bit of turnabout on things -- he's holding out on the hope that IDW might consider publishing the Forever War through official channels. He's going to give them some time to mull it over and if they either say no or sit on it for longer than a few months then it's game on with the original plan.

Oh dear, we fans once again have warrant to wistfully wish for the fulfillment of that long-awaited promise. Oh, how the jubilation will taste sweet if it miraculously leads to reality. Oh, how the disappointment will sting if it all comes to naught.

Just dangle the carrot in front of me and I'll start running after it.

[Venom]

The word is that Steve has had a bit of turnabout on things -- he's holding out on the hope that IDW might consider publishing the Forever War through official channels. He's going to give them some time to mull it over and if they either say no or sit on it for longer than a few months then it's game on with the original plan.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk65/darinaldi/fistpump.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Man, if IDW greenlits it then Murphy seriously better get his ass in gear and finish the thing.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Murphy had his heart in it, "The Forever war" would have made it out back in 2009 during the 25th anniversary.

[Lordmylar06]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an IDW official finish. Time to get on their forums or fan email and start plugging this.

[Powder]

If this goes down, I'm buyin' a cake & some party hats. You'll all be invited over (well, not all of you).

[Jester]

The word is that Steve has had a bit of turnabout on things -- he's holding out on the hope that IDW might consider publishing the Forever War through official channels. He's going to give them some time to mull it over and if they either say no or sit on it for longer than a few months then it's game on with the original plan.

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[CyberCubed]

The Forever War may have a similar fate as Duke Nukem Forever. :lol:

[sdp]

You mean that its underwhelming and feels like something that would have been cool if it had come out 10 years ago?

[Whitewolf89]

The word is that Steve has had a bit of turnabout on things -- he's holding out on the hope that IDW might consider publishing the Forever War through official channels. He's going to give them some time to mull it over and if they either say no or sit on it for longer than a few months then it's game on with the original plan.
Really? Wow, this is cool news!:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Heh, I would absolutely LOVE to see "Forever War" published officially by a company like IDW, but if that doesn't work out, I wish you guys good luck with the original plan! I am behind y'all 1000%, either way!:twink::twink:

[ToTheNines]

Anyone know anything now?

[ToTheNines]

Anyone care now?

[CyberCubed]

To be honest I stopped caring a while ago. There is no possible way this story can ever live up to expectations after over 15 years.

I've already accepted "Year of the Turtle" as Archie's conclusion since 1996. I already have my "final" Shredder story.

The ONLY aspect I'd love to see wrapped up is Null, as he was really the only loose end in Archie continuity that never got any proper closure. All the other villains were either dead or lost in limbo (like Armaggon).

[Powder]

I care to an extent, obviously if it were to get made I'd excitedly buy it. But basically, I'm on the same page as Cybercubed.

[darthsmozers]

I remember communicating with chris allan back around 2003 or so, just idle chit chat. During that time i also let him know how much the fans here hoped for that story. Then flash forward a few years and the good, bad, and ugly details of the story that never was found its way on Murphy's blog. Then there was the ramping of another attempt, complete with Tmnta trade paperback, and we all know how that went. Up and down, up and down. And yet.....YES, i still hope for the day!!!! If for no other reason than to just see the darn thing in print, in any format, to revisit the version of the characters i grew up with. Here's hoping!

Or at the least, some TMNTA tpb's, please? :D

[Jephael]

You know an interesting thought occured to me. It's possible the reason The Forever War is taking so long is that Mr. Allen and all some of the other people behind it didn't really like the idea of it being published in black and white (I know I didn't). Now that Nickelodeon and IDW are involved, maybe the story will get a chance at being released in full color!

[Andrew NDB]

The ONLY aspect I'd love to see wrapped up is Null, as he was really the only loose end in Archie continuity that never got any proper closure. All the other villains were either dead or lost in limbo (like Armaggon).

And Null isn't even in The Forever War.

Maybe the reason The Forever War is taking so long is that Mr. Allen and all some of the other people behind it didn't really like the idea of it being published in black and white.

That has 0 reason to do with it at all. Not even slightly.

[Jephael]

It was just a theory I had. I could be totally wrong about it.

[Andrew NDB]

It was just a theory I had. I could be totally wrong about it.

There's no reason to come up with theories... we have the facts, from the horse's mouth(s). Steve does lament, though, that had he known the sale was coming up he would have busted ass (and subsequently made sure Chris was busting ass) to get it done on time and into people's hands.

[Jephael]

Okay, but how do you know you have all the facts? I'm sure Mirage has kept people in the dark on stuff. Hell, I'll bet there's even stuff Ivey doesn't know!

[Lordmylar06]

Okay, but how do you know you have all the facts? I'm sure Mirage has kept people in the dark on stuff. Hell, I'll bet there's even stuff Ivey doesn't know!

Andrew might be one of the best hopes we have of seeing this story in any format if IDW doesn't pick it up. He's got pretty good connections with a lot of the former Mirage guys. He was highly important to the conclusion of the Image volume that was recently finished, and if he's able to do anything with Forever War I'll support it.

[VaughnMichael]

This is one of the few TMNT related things I'd buy these days.
But I'm not going to hold my breath on it.

[CyberCubed]

What does anyone expect out if it anyway? This wasn't intended to conclude the Archie universe, and Null isn't even in it.

Its almost as if people are hyped up to think this was some sort of, "climatic ending" to the Archie series when in reality it really wasn't.

[darthsmozers]

What does anyone expect out if it anyway? This wasn't intended to conclude the Archie universe, and Null isn't even in it.

Its almost as if people are hyped up to think this was some sort of, "climatic ending" to the Archie series when in reality it really wasn't.

I think 1) any chance to revisit this series is fun and 2) the multiple promises got us excited.

[darthsmozers]

And Null isn't even in The Forever War.



That has 0 reason to do with it at all. Not even slightly.

Its ok, i guess not everyone knows all the details. However since chris allan collaborated on some tales issues, which were b/w, its moot anyway i guess.

[oldmanwinters]

There's no reason to come up with theories... we have the facts, from the horse's mouth(s). Steve does lament, though, that had he known the sale was coming up he would have busted ass (and subsequently made sure Chris was busting ass) to get it done on time and into people's hands.

Ah, missed opportunities...

What's the old saying? . . . "He who hesitates is lost."

I'm not entirely sure Forever War was ever intended to end the Archie series either. I just figured it might be a big arc where some more major characters got killed off... like Future Donatello.

[Venom]

Okay, but how do you know you have all the facts? I'm sure Mirage has kept people in the dark on stuff. Hell, I'll bet there's even stuff Ivey doesn't know!

Not being smarmy but Murph's an easy guy to contact. It's easy enough to ask the man any question regarding his work and he usually will take the time to respond.

Not only that, but he posted about TFW on his old blog as well.

[ToTheNines]

Should coordinate with Buffy around here.

There are plans.

This post is like Nick Fury showing up at the end of Iron Man 1.

[Nortock Diab]

And now I'm reading a great lot of 2009 posts :tgrin:.
It's like watching the making of History.

[Andrew NDB]

lol... I forgot about Demon Alukard fighting to draw Forever War. :)

[CyberCubed]

Still would be cool to see what an official Forever War would be someday. We have two Image conclusions, two Forever War conclusions would be fun too. I don't mind alternate takes.

[Andrew NDB]

On the plus side, for Chris Allan he'd be getting paid twice, so that'd be good. On the minus side, Chris Allan would then be tied up doing Forever War again for a year+ and wouldn't be able to do the new issues of TMNTA he's presently drawing.

[ToTheNines]

I have zero interest in an “official” Forever War.

With Image, the first one only had a little involvement from Fosco and Carlson. Of course everyone was happy to see them team and do new issues together for IDW.

With TFW, it’s already been drawn by Allan and was written with the max amount of involvement from Murphy anyone is ever going to get. There’s no point. If anything, it’d be cool for IDW to just print what Turtles Club did, however that would work.

[Zog The Magnificent]

I have zero interest in an “official” Forever War.

With Image, the first one only had a little involvement from Fosco and Carlson. Of course everyone was happy to see them team and do new issues together for IDW.

With FW, it’s already been drawn by Alan and was written with the max amount of involvement from Murphy anyone is ever going to get. There’s no point. If anything, it’s be cool for IDW to just print what Turtles Club did, however that would work.

Seriously. We already got the best version of that story that we could have possibly gotten, even better than what it probably would have been if it had come out on schedule. Why would anyone ever want a lesser version? Just because it has a publisher saying it's "official?"

There's a TMNT Entity article that's relevent to that situation:
http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2023/06/tmnt-2030.html

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, I think we’re of the same mind when it comes to headcanon vs. what is “official”.

It certainly would be interesting if we could peek through the multiverse and see an alternate history where Forever War was published in 1996. Same for the 2009 black and white version that also never happened. But I don’t see how anyone can argue that this isn’t the best case scenario, considering Turtles Club is keeping it going into #80 and beyond.

Speaking of which, the official vs. unofficial argument kinda falls apart when you consider the fact that Chris Allan’s short that IDW published for the 40th anniversary is just a straight up prequel for #80.

[Heyowakka]

Life is too short to worry about that kind of stuff; just enjoy what you enjoy, to hell what anyone else thinks.

[ToTheNines]

Life is too short to worry about that kind of stuff; just enjoy what you enjoy, to hell what anyone else thinks.

Yeah, that’s how I am. I just get angry at people on the other side of the issue crying about stuff being “uNoFfIcIaL”.

Ok. Whatever. How about you tell me your critique of the actual content of these books? Oh that’s right… they didn’t actually read any of them lol

[Andrew NDB]

It certainly would be interesting if we could peek through the multiverse and see an alternate history where Forever War was published in 1996. Same for the 2009 black and white version that also never happened.

Given we were actually working with the ACTUAL scripts for the first couple of issues of the 1996 Forever War to start out with and within the existing cover artwork for the subsequent issues had a very general idea of where Murphy was going with stuff, I'm actually way more interested in what the 2009 version would have been like. He was going to throw everything from before into the trash (which, according to him, no longer existed in his mind or anywhere else anyway) and completely start from scratch. I suspect he WOULD have used the 2009 version to make it more of The Big Final TMNTA Story™ vs. the original which was always going to be just another TMNTA arc.