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ToTheNines
02-02-2010, 03:59 PM
I just got these two issues recently and read them a couple of days ago.

Great art, good story, but a couple of nitpicks.

Where did Chote come from? I suppose it's obvious that he was a beneficiary of Savanti's magic, but who the hell trained him to be a Samurai.

Also, did anyone else find it corny how Raph inadvertently started the Foot Clan? I thought it was kinda cool when this same thing happened in the OT... but that was the OT.

Anyways, discuss!
jaymq
02-02-2010, 04:03 PM
I kinda liked it, it's not like Raph will ever learn he started the Foot clan inadvertently anyway. But yea, maybe a tad cheesy. :)

I am curious about Chote's background though. Then again, I am a sucker for character development in TMNT.
***First of Two Latin Kings***
02-02-2010, 04:06 PM
Raph inadvertently started the Foot in the old cartoon as well? What episode was that?
ToTheNines
02-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Not Raph, but the TMNT and Splinter started it on purpose.

It was in "The Legend of Koji", season 7.
DrSpengler
02-02-2010, 05:06 PM
I was a bit disappointed that Chote got transported to the time and place of Gizmo but the thread was never followed up on in any Gizmo comics.

And if its any consolation to those who dislike the story, "Masks" may or may not be retconned out anyway by "Spinal Tapped", since the two stories contradict each other.

Anyhow, I liked it. I never had a problem with Raph unknowingly founding the Foot Clan. Cheesy, yeah, but c'mon. A LOT of cheesy **** has happened in these comics.
ToTheNines
02-02-2010, 06:47 PM
I was a bit disappointed that Chote got transported to the time and place of Gizmo but the thread was never followed up on in any Gizmo comics.

And if its any consolation to those who dislike the story, "Masks" may or may not be retconned out anyway by "Spinal Tapped", since the two stories contradict each other.

Anyhow, I liked it. I never had a problem with Raph unknowingly founding the Foot Clan. Cheesy, yeah, but c'mon. A LOT of cheesy **** has happened in these comics.

Yeah, they even said Dooney was gonna follow up on Chote...

I've never read spinal tapped, it's from the second edition of the Tales Volume 1 collection right?

And you're right lol, I was just pointing it out because I've never seen anyone else talk about it on here.
CyberCubed
02-02-2010, 07:48 PM
It's my favorite story of Volume 1 besides the Shredder stuff.

I always got the feeling this where the third movie was based off of.
Venom
02-02-2010, 10:13 PM
I loved "Masks". Chote was awesome. Granted, I only found the story a few years back and realized one of my favorite figures was based on a Mirage character so I was pretty stoked and not disappointed by how badass he was! :D
***First of Two Latin Kings***
02-02-2010, 11:55 PM
I always got the feeling this where the third movie was based off of.

YA THINK??? :tlol: :tlol: :tlol: :tlol:
discordiatookie
02-03-2010, 04:21 PM
I really dig these issues, great art, fun story. And I thought it was pretty cool that Raph started the Foot when I first read it.

Now for cheese in the 'serious' TMNT:

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/discordiatookie/22.jpg

Something about that dialogue there always bugged me. Great art though!

If I had to choose between Masks and Spinal Tapped, Masks wins hands down. Spinal Tapped was fun enough, but it kinda doesn't flow very well in the scheme of things.
jaymq
02-04-2010, 01:36 AM
Ahh, can someone clarify what "Spinal Tapped" is for me? I've been thinking about it since I first read the title and can't for the life of me figure out which issue it is.
DrSpengler
02-04-2010, 09:35 AM
Ahh, can someone clarify what "Spinal Tapped" is for me? I've been thinking about it since I first read the title and can't for the life of me figure out which issue it is.

It was a bonus story included only in the 2007 Tales of the TMNT Vol. 1 Collection TPB.

It linked up with the new frontispieces and the epilogue also made exclusively for that collection.
Andrew NDB
02-04-2010, 10:01 AM
I don't think there was ever any conscious decision to nix this story from continuity. If there's any fudging, I'm sure it was just simple oversights.
Ninjinister
02-04-2010, 10:01 AM
Also, did anyone else find it corny how Raph inadvertently started the Foot Clan?


Corny? No. Poignant? Yes.

I'm a fan of "whatever happened, happened" theory of time travel - in other words, doing things in the past don't change the present/future - that is, there is no butterfly effect - but whatever you do in the past, has already happened to begin with, thus there is no adverse effect. Predestination.

The fact that Raph started the Foot Clan in this way really resonated with me.
Andrew NDB
02-04-2010, 10:05 AM
I'm a fan of "whatever happened, happened" theory of time travel

I enjoy that theory in fiction but it's difficult to subscribe to in reality.

I would tend to think whenever you go back in time, you're kind of just starting a brand new "branch" in time. And the business with if your younger self or mom or dad dies in the past, that you suddenly vanish like a ghost is nonsense.
PAAATE
02-04-2010, 10:27 AM
I would tend to think whenever you go back in time, you're kind of just starting a brand new "branch" in time. And the business with if your younger self or mom or dad dies in the past, that you suddenly vanish like a ghost is nonsense.

Yeah, that's the most realistic, if we're gonna talk about realistic time travel :P
jaymq
02-04-2010, 10:56 AM
It was a bonus story included only in the 2007 Tales of the TMNT Vol. 1 Collection TPB.

It linked up with the new frontispieces and the epilogue also made exclusively for that collection.

Ahh.. Tales Volume 1... awesome, thanks. I think I actually have that. Done by Lawson?

....I'll stick with "Masks" being 'canon' if I have a choice. >.>
ToTheNines
05-28-2011, 04:45 PM
You know what? Now I think it's totally awesome that Raph started the Foot... because he eventually becomes The Shredder!

How cool is that? Wonder if Carlson had noticed that...
CyberCubed
05-28-2011, 05:00 PM
This is one of those issues I had wanted the 4kids series to adapt before it got canceled.

It saddens me to realize that this arc is forgotten because City at War overshadowed it.

I'm pretty sure PL wouldn't consider this canon if he was asked, but it obviously doesn't matter now.
Powder
05-28-2011, 06:46 PM
You know what? Now I think it's totally awesome that Raph started the Foot... because he eventually becomes The Shredder!

How cool is that? Wonder if Carlson had noticed that...

I thought it was cool anyway, but adding that fact definitely makes it doubly dope.

This is one of those issues I had wanted the 4kids series to adapt before it got canceled.

AHHH! If they had done this story in 2k3 that woulda been sweeeeeeet!
Abnormal Freak
05-28-2011, 10:40 PM
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa15/discordiatookie/22.jpg

Something about that dialogue there always bugged me.

Really? Why? It's always cracked me up. :D It's just intended goofiness.
Andrew NDB
05-31-2011, 12:33 PM
I just got these two issues recently and read them a couple of days ago.

Great art, good story, but a couple of nitpicks.

Where did Chote come from? I suppose it's obvious that he was a beneficiary of Savanti's magic, but who the hell trained him to be a Samurai.

Who knows about the samurai training, but yeah, he's definitely a beneficiary of Savanti's magic.

Also, does anyone else think -- possibly -- that the little dinosaur critter Savanti hyper-evolved to serve him in "Spinal Tapped" story (in the Tales V1 Treasury Edition) might be a very early/young Chote?

Also, did anyone else find it corny how Raph inadvertently started the Foot Clan?

No.
ToTheNines
05-31-2011, 01:03 PM
Also, does anyone else think -- possibly -- that the little dinosaur critter Savanti hyper-evolved to serve him in "Spinal Tapped" story (in the Tales V1 Treasury Edition) might be a very early/young Chote?

Ha, that's genius.


No.

Like I said, I think it's awesome now.
DrSpengler
05-31-2011, 04:29 PM
Who knows about the samurai training, but yeah, he's definitely a beneficiary of Savanti's magic.

Also, does anyone else think -- possibly -- that the little dinosaur critter Savanti hyper-evolved to serve him in "Spinal Tapped" story (in the Tales V1 Treasury Edition) might be a very early/young Chote?


Someone brought that up in the comments section of my "Spinal Tapped" review recently, too.

I don't know if that's really possible, since the li'l dino guy got eaten at the end of "Spinal Tapped", though I wouldn't rule out his resemblance to Chote being an Easter Egg (though really, I thought he looked more like Gon than Chote, personally).
Powder
05-31-2011, 05:01 PM
When I brought these issues for Dooney to sign at a con, he said he still had the paintings of the original covers in his attic & that they were favorites of his. I'd love to see them as they are now.
Venom
05-31-2011, 05:31 PM
When I brought these issues for Dooney to sign at a con, he said he still had the paintings of the original covers in his attic & that they were favorites of his. I'd love to see them as they are now.

Dooney has just about every original cover painting he ever did; the man could have his own Turtle art exhibit! :tcool:
Powder
05-31-2011, 06:00 PM
Dooney has just about every original cover painting he ever did; the man could have his own Turtle art exhibit! :tcool:

Oh right, I forgot that he's very sentimental about his printed work. Pete owns all of his Vol. 4 covers though (he had to buy them offa him!).