Too fat to fly: The Kevin Smith story

[The Stryker]

http://consumerist.com/2010/02/director-kevin-smith-kicked-off-southwest-flight-for-being-too-fat.html

Every so often Southwest Airlines arbitrarily and incorrectly decides that someone is too fat to fly in a single seat. These are people who have regularly flown Southwest in the past and can fit themselves in one seat without a problem. Prior to now, none were cult celebrities with more than a million and a half Twitter followers and a smartphone. Then an air captain declared filmmaker Kevin Smith a "safety risk," and all hell broke loose.

Southwest has responded: Yes, Kevin Smith tweeted that Southwest Airlines kicked him off a flight. Yes, it was purportedly because of his weight. Southwest's Twitter rep apologized (as did the VP of Customer Relations) once the incident took Twitter by storm. Smith took the opportunity to point out that the prompt apology was only because of his fame, and the same exact thing happens arbitrarily to other passengers who also shop in the plus-size section.

"F*ck making it right for me just 'cause I have a platform. I sat next to a big girl who was chastised for not buying an extra ticket because "all passengers deserve their space." F*cking flight wasn't even full! F*ck your size-ist policy. Rude..."

Southwest has posted their response to Smith's tweets. Their explanation: He had booked two seats for himself, but chose to take an earlier flight standby when there was only one seat available.

The airline explains:

Mr. Smith originally purchased two Southwest seats on a flight from Oakland to Burbank - as he’s been known to do when traveling on Southwest. He decided to change his plans and board an earlier flight to Burbank, which technically means flying standby. As you may know, airlines are not able to clear standby passengers until all Customers are boarded. When the time came to board Mr. Smith, we had only a single seat available for him to occupy. Our pilots are responsible for the Safety and comfort of all Customers on the aircraft and therefore, made the determination that Mr. Smith needed more than one seat to complete his flight. Our Employees explained why the decision was made, accommodated Mr. Smith on a later flight, and issued him a $100 Southwest travel voucher for his inconvenience.

Hey Fattie! I got a movie for ya! A fridge too far!

[Brodie]

He did a podcast explaining the whole story, and its pretty funny, and ****ed up on the airlines part.

Whats funny is the Southwest twitter account trying so desperately to "make good."

www.smodcast.com to listen to the newest one, "Go F-- Yourself, Southwest Airlines"

[The Stryker]

I don't know. I can't really blame Southwest. The guy has gotten pretty huge recently.

[Ninjinister]

Hey Fattie! I got a movie for ya! A fridge too far!

+1 Reference win points.

I don't know. I can't really blame Southwest. The guy has gotten pretty huge recently.
Has he really? I haven't seen him within the last year or so.

[Brodie]

He's deffinately bigger. But you're assuming he's upset that they called him fat. He's deffinately not, he's more upset at the lack of how the employees handle dealing with their customers, then trying to lie about it when confronted.

Add that to the fact that the flight he was actually able to get on, the same thing happened to a twenty-something girl, who was pulled aside by a stewardess to let her know that she should look into buying another seat.

[The Stryker]

Has he really? I haven't seen him within the last year or so.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2010/02/kevin_smith_2.jpg
That's no moon.....

[Voltron]

At some point, there has to be a line drawn concerning personal health. When it's gotten to a point where OTHER people are getting uncomfortable, maybe you should. . .I dunno. . .take a walk or something.

[XERO]

... Silent Blob?

[Leonardo Mystic]

Har har. Make the jokes. It's not like people of size have any feelings. They're just subhumans after all. /sarcasm

This is what makes me sick about the thin-obsessed world.

[The Stryker]

Har har. Make the jokes. It's not like people of size have any feelings. They're just subhumans after all. /sarcasm

This is what makes me sick about the thin-obsessed world.

Oh please. Get off of it.

EDIT: Breaking news, Interview footage from Kevin Smith over this whole situation

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[Machias Banshee]

Just another example of legal discrimination. If the Airline is going to do that kind of thing, at least have the balls to admit it instead of trying to cover it up. Airlines do have the right to do that kind of thing... they are a private business.

On the other hand, I hate how people are dehumanized if they're overweight... nobody deserves that treatment.

[Cure]

http://fattyfeelsleftout.ytmnd.com/

[Turo602]

HA! Team America:lol:

[BoggleKng]

Poor Kevin, nicest guy, never used to be that big..

[Brodie]

New blog from Smith:
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=393

[odupianist]

Heard about this on the radio this morning. The DJ had a good bit of advice:

"Don't tell how Southwest to run their successful business and they won't tell you how to run a movie"

[Brodie]

That.....advice isn't really relevant?

The company has some ****** business practice and lack of tact...Thats worth addressing if the company's employees are ignorant and oblivious to how to deal with people PAYING them for a service.

Don't defend a company for their foul up, with "we won't tell you how to run a movie" because I dont think anyones asking, and that isn't a relatable point to make.

Southwest is only addressing the issue because Smith has a big ****ing mouth, and is drawing attention to their ****ups. Think about how often this probably happens and goes unnoticed (which is obvious considering the same thing happened to a young woman not two hours after happening to Smith).

Maybe now they'll revisit a company policy established 25 ****ING YEARS AGO.

Also, this isn't about a "thin-obsessed" world, its about proper treatment of people, thin, fat, famous, or not.

[plastroncafe]

Good for Kevin Smith.

[Turo602]

Kevin Smith is badass. Wheres Jay when you need him.

[Krutch]

I love Kevin and all, but, doesn't anyone else think that he's taking this a bit too seriously? He seems like one of the most easy going guys on the planet. And he himself constantly makes fun of his weight. But the second someone else does he makes a big deal out of it? I dont know. I'm not an overweight dude but I'm sure its a little embarrassing. But still, I dont think its as big of deal as hes making it out to be.

[Voltron]

That Simpson's clip fit this so well.

[plastroncafe]

I love Kevin and all, but, doesn't anyone else think that he's taking this a bit too seriously? He seems like one of the most easy going guys on the planet. And he himself constantly makes fun of his weight. But the second someone else does he makes a big deal out of it? I dont know. I'm not an overweight dude but I'm sure its a little embarrassing. But still, I dont think its as big of deal as hes making it out to be.

When a company commits a blatant PR Nightmare of a faux pas at your expense, you be sure to let us know.

[Brodie]

I love Kevin and all, but, doesn't anyone else think that he's taking this a bit too seriously? He seems like one of the most easy going guys on the planet. And he himself constantly makes fun of his weight. But the second someone else does he makes a big deal out of it? I dont know. I'm not an overweight dude but I'm sure its a little embarrassing. But still, I dont think its as big of deal as hes making it out to be.

I dont think youve read into some of the other stuff. Like any of my previous posts. Where even he's stated in all his blogs that hes fine with being called fat, because he knows it. But its the fact of it being such an embarrassing outing, which wasn't his biggest gripe. He was moreso bothered when it happened to the younger girl.

[gobo]

I love Kevin and all, but, doesn't anyone else think that he's taking this a bit too seriously?
Taking everything too seriously is the first rule in the book. What book? The unwritten book of "press-whoring". It's apparent that's what he's doing here as he regularly brings up how much he loves the spotlight. This is more an attention thing for him than it is an "oh god, the embarassment has scarred me for life!" thing. Still, I think he's picked a perfect time to blow **** out of proportion.

[Warhorse]

Kevin Smith is badass. Wheres Jay when you need him.

Probably got arrested at the airport for disturbing the peace!:D

[Krutch]

Taking everything too seriously is the first rule in the book. What book? The unwritten book of "press-whoring". It's apparent that's what he's doing here as he regularly brings up how much he loves the spotlight. This is more an attention thing for him than it is an "oh god, the embarassment has scarred me for life!" thing. Still, I think he's picked a perfect time to blow **** out of proportion.

Yeah, I guess thats true. He does have that new movie coming out...

[Brodie]

Clearly, the best way to market a movie is to draw attention to the fact that you're publically ostrasized due to your size.

[Cure]

I'm pretty sure this is not a publicity stunt. He's famous enough as it is. Thinking it is is kinda cynical and dumb.

[Newton Gimmick]

Any publicity is good publicity. Smith knows that.

As for the whole issue, I could see it making you mad, but fat people know the deal with airplanes. Buy two seats if you're too much of a fatty. There are rules. Deal with it.

I don't think fat people should be discriminated against, but at some point you have to face facts. A few years ago, I felt bad for this poor fat lady who wanted to ride a roller coaster. She tried hard to buckle the seat belt, but couldn't. Finally an attendant came over and after about 10 minutes, he couldn't get it around her either. She had to get off the ride. She was pissed, but you know what? She was too fat.

"They should make seats for fat people."

No, they shouldn't. Fat isn't a handicap. Unless you have some rare disease.

As for this being a PR Nightmare? Doubt it. Southwest might be trying to make good, but nobody is not flying as a result of this. Smith's demographic isn't that big nor is it that powerful. Plus Southwest is king of the sky these days for most folks anyway.

So again, we go back to what's the point of all this? Smith fighting for fatties everywhere? Pissed off that they didn't respect his celebrity? Ah, no... Attention. Publicity.

After all, sounds like he was treated pretty good. He got another flight and a $100 voucher. I've had WORSE happen to me at the airport just because of regular airport drama and got nothing at all.

It seems like the guy is looking to drum up attention. I doubt this is going to help "Cop Out" in any way, but it gets Smith's name out there, which is probably a positive since this movie is looking to flop anyway, no?

[Sewer Bull]

After all, sounds like he was treated pretty good. He got another flight and a $100 voucher. I've had WORSE happen to me at the airport just because of regular airport drama and got nothing at all.


And that's one of his points. He apparently got that voucher because he is popular. Common crowd usually gets nothing.

[Duke]

This just doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. He normally purchases 2 seats because he knows he needs 2 seats. He even purchased 2 seats for this flight. But when he decided he wanted to take an earlier flight and went to standby for it, they didn't have 2 seats available and the pilot was like you require 2 seats to fly and we don't have 2 available at this time therefore you have to take another flight. How is that any different than his normal situation? I guess the flight attendant or boarding staff could have checked to see if the plane had 2 seats next to each other before allowing him on the plane but that's the only thing they might have did wrong.

[Leo656]

I'm a huge Smith fan, but he takes a lot of things too seriously. Remember how he ripped apart that film critic, both online and on the radio the next day, for walking out of Clerks 2 because the donkey show scene offended him? Yeah Kevin, it was unprofessional, but the guy had a right to voice his displeasure and disgust (at something I found hilarious, but whatever).

So he's too fat to fit in a seat now (the Post had a picture from an interview last year with him where he was easily twice as big as Stryker's posted pic). I know I'll get ripped as "insensitive", but I can't help it. This guy needs help and I don't think the airline is at fault as much as he is, for not realizing he has a serious, SERIOUS medical condition that he needs to address. I know he loves playing "jolly fat guy" but seriously, most people that big have emotional or psychological reasons for being overweight, and they need help.

My parents were both overweight, almost everyone in my family is diabetic and a lot of them die of heart disease. That's a huge reason why I got into fitness at a young age, and more recently became certified as a trainer (even though I'm not working in the field yet).

Some people need help, and if you weigh 300 pounds or have a crappy body fat percentage it's likely NOT glandular. It's likely laziness, depression, emotional eating, or just plain "don't-give-a-damn" syndrome, like this guy. Kev needs help, and denial (or worse, acceptance i.e. "I'm a big fattie, deal with it") is going to kill him if he doesn't at least accept the fact that he needs help.

Watching my father have a massive heart attack when I was 10 (and he was "only" about 50) scared the hell out of me. Maybe Smith should take a walk through Deborah Heart And Lung Center here in lovely NJ, and talk to someone whose had a triple bypass operation, before he gets mad about getting denied an airplane seat. Just sayin'.

I do love Kev, I hope he gets the help he needs, and soon. I just get really pissed about overweight people who would rather get indignant than healthy, like they're crippled and helpless. I also hate women who would rather starve themselves skinny than eat right and exercise, since that's even more dangerous than being overweight. But nobody has the right to blame others for the lifestyle choices that you yourself make, and the consequences of those choices.

Wanna get on that plane? Then start doin' them bicycle crunches. That simple. But don't cry about it.

[Koi]

I bet this would make a good Volcanic Asteroid thread about physical health...

Anyhow, if he knew he was too big and ordered two seats because of his "size" then it is his fault. He can go ahead and get upset, it's good for our viewing pleasures anyhow.

[Brodie]

Are you people insane? Its been stated numerous times that he bought two seats so he could be away from people, never out of necessity of being obese.

And leo, just fyi, he didn't rip apart the critic for walking out, he did it because the guy started yelling about his disgust during a screening.

[Koi]

Are you people insane? Its been stated numerous times that he bought two seats so he could be away from people, never out of necessity of being obese.


Oh. Well that makes things a tad different.

[Leo656]

And leo, just fyi, he didn't rip apart the critic for walking out, he did it because the guy started yelling about his disgust during a screening.

Thanks, been a while. I knew it was something or other, but I swear that he did chastise the guy additionally on the radio for walking out because it was "unprofessional". But yes, he was mainly pissed at the guy yelling "That's it! First movie I've walked out of in 30 f***ing years!" :lol:

Funniest thing was that the movie that pushed him too far was Clerks 2, and not Jersey Girl. :lol:

[Leonardo Mystic]

... most people that big have emotional or psychological reasons for being overweight, and they need help.

Some people need help, and if you weigh 300 pounds or have a crappy body fat percentage it's likely NOT glandular. It's likely laziness, depression, emotional eating, or just plain "don't-give-a-damn" syndrome, like this guy. Kev needs help, and denial (or worse, acceptance i.e. "I'm a big fattie, deal with it") is going to kill him if he doesn't at least accept the fact that he needs help.

Wanna get on that plane? Then start doin' them bicycle crunches. That simple. But don't cry about it.

You have a lot of nerve to go spouting this off. :tmad: To think you know what or why a person of size is how they are. I am sick of reading the insensitiveness of the issue and all the jokes directed towards people of size. It's not funny.

[The Stryker]

You have a lot of nerve to go spouting this off. :tmad: To think you know what or why a person of size is how they are. I am sick of reading the insensitiveness of the issue and all the jokes directed towards people of size. It's not funny.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/kitsune_v1/YOUMAD.gif

Even Kevin Smith himself is making fat jokes.

Also, It's pretty easy to figure out why most fat people are fat. It's called food.

[Sewer Bull]

Not that I'm of Kevin Smith's size, but I recently noticed a belly forming down there. So I decided to completely change my diet recently. Cut off sugar, bread and other carbohydrates, in favor of more vegetables. I lost 15 pounds within the last two weeks just on that. So, if you want it, you can do it.

Kevin Smith should set a good example for all those fat nerds, by losing a few pounds, instead of embracing his major weakness. Just like Peter Jackson, who looked like that a few years ago...

http://www.topnews.in/files/Peter_Jackson13.jpg

...and now:

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/People/P/Peter_Jackson/peter_jackson.jpg

[Leo656]

You have a lot of nerve to go spouting this off.


You're right, I do. And I'm not trying to be funny, I'm simply a pragmatist. I have nothing against overweight people from a sense that, I wish them no harm and want them to take the steps to get their lives together. That's why I became certified as a trainer, because most people DO want help, they DO want to change, they just need someone to show them the right way.

But there's also the truth that many people don't want to accept, which is that making excuses not to get well and expecting everyone to bend over backwards for you because you have a "disability" is not a realistic expectation. Obesity has been proven to be not only completely preventable almost 99% of the time, but carries far greater risks than smoking, drinking or drug abuse all by itself. Almost all forms of cancers have some link to the foods we eat and how our individual bodies process and/or store energy that we take in.

There is a solution that's proven to work for everyone, and it's not liposuction, gastric bypass surgery or the Atkins diet; it's called education mixed with a positive attitude, a desire to see change, and a commitment to take the steps to get there, along with the understanding that you're worth the effort.

Both my parents had lifelong weight issues; my Dad's constant struggles with diabetes and heart disease have been mentioned numerous times on the board, so it's not like I'm an insensitive bastard. It's just that too many people would rather cry about their problems and how everyone owes them a favor, rather than make a positive change. It's not just overweight people (being underweight and malnourished is actually far more dangerous), I have little patience with that sort of attitude coming from anyone.

[Leonardo Mystic]

You're right, I do. And I'm not trying to be funny, I'm simply a pragmatist. I have nothing against overweight people from a sense that, I wish them no harm and want them to take the steps to get their lives together. That's why I became certified as a trainer, because most people DO want help, they DO want to change, they just need someone to show them the right way.

But there's also the truth that many people don't want to accept, which is that making excuses not to get well and expecting everyone to bend over backwards for you because you have a "disability" is not a realistic expectation. Obesity has been proven to be not only completely preventable almost 99% of the time, but carries far greater risks than smoking, drinking or drug abuse all by itself. Almost all forms of cancers have some link to the foods we eat and how our individual bodies process and/or store energy that we take in.

There is a solution that's proven to work for everyone, and it's not liposuction, gastric bypass surgery or the Atkins diet; it's called education mixed with a positive attitude, a desire to see change, and a commitment to take the steps to get there, along with the understanding that you're worth the effort.

Both my parents had lifelong weight issues; my Dad's constant struggles with diabetes and heart disease have been mentioned numerous times on the board, so it's not like I'm an insensitive bastard. It's just that too many people would rather cry about their problems and how everyone owes them a favor, rather than make a positive change. It's not just overweight people (being underweight and malnourished is actually far more dangerous), I have little patience with that sort of attitude coming from anyone.

Well, take your dieting regime elsewhere. It's not welcomed.

Mods, can we please lock this topic now?

[plastroncafe]

Well, take your dieting regime elsewhere. It's not welcomed.

Mods, can we please lock this topic now?

I'm inclined to agree.
The last thing I think anyone needs is a triggery back and forth about weight management.

[Leo656]

Well, take your dieting regime elsewhere. It's not welcomed.

Mods, can we please lock this topic now?

Sensitive much? :roll:

But you know, I partly agree with you: the attitude that people are in fact responsible for their own actions and the consequences thereof, a belief I strongly cling to? It's NOT welcome much anymore, which is a damn shame. I guess it's not Kevin Smith's fault he's got a weight problem, he just fell into a deep depression after his last few flicks bombed, eh? Face it, the guy just loves attention and sympathy.

At least when my old man had his first of several heart attacks, when he was rolling around on the ground holding his chest, he knew who to blame: himself, for waiting until he was almost dead before taking his health seriously. Y'know how traumatizing that is for an 11 year old to watch? Can anyone even contemplate how for over 15 years since his first heart surgery, he's had to get fluid drained from his lungs every so often, had several more surgeries, stents put in to open his valves, and has walked around with a defibrillator implanted into his chest for the past 6 years?

It's called, "what happens when people don't take care of themselves".

It's no different from any other self-inflicted affliction like smoking or alcoholism or drug abuse; they all begin and end with the individual. It's not my problem if people don't take their health seriously, but if you'd seen what I've seen, and gone to half as many funerals of people that died decades too soon from a variety of self-afflicted problems, maybe you'd try to understand my attitude a bit. Being hypersensitive, and/or placating hypersensitive people, does no one any good.

But by all means, this thread can die. And next time someone else gets their feelings hurt by common sense, we'll lock that one, too, and then we'll keep going until we all agree on everything. Deal?

Love you.

[plastroncafe]

Being hypersensitive, and/or placating hypersensitive people, does no one any good.


*slow clap*

[Leonardo Mystic]

Sensitive much? :roll:

But you know, I partly agree with you: the attitude that people are in fact responsible for their own actions and the consequences thereof, a belief I strongly cling to? It's NOT welcome much anymore, which is a damn shame. I guess it's not Kevin Smith's fault he's got a weight problem, he just fell into a deep depression after his last few flicks bombed, eh? Face it, the guy just loves attention and sympathy.

At least when my old man had his first of several heart attacks, when he was rolling around on the ground holding his chest, he knew who to blame: himself, for waiting until he was almost dead before taking his health seriously. Y'know how traumatizing that is for an 11 year old to watch? Can anyone even contemplate how for over 15 years since his first heart surgery, he's had to get fluid drained from his lungs every so often, had several more surgeries, stents put in to open his valves, and has walked around with a defibrillator implanted into his chest for the past 6 years?

It's called, "what happens when people don't take care of themselves".

It's no different from any other self-inflicted affliction like smoking or alcoholism or drug abuse; they all begin and end with the individual. It's not my problem if people don't take their health seriously, but if you'd seen what I've seen, and gone to half as many funerals of people that died decades too soon from a variety of self-afflicted problems, maybe you'd try to understand my attitude a bit. Being hypersensitive, and/or placating hypersensitive people, does no one any good.

But by all means, this thread can die. And next time someone else gets their feelings hurt by common sense, we'll lock that one, too, and then we'll keep going until we all agree on everything. Deal?

Love you.

Jerk much? Look, you don't understand that you're coming off as obnoxious and arrogant. Sorry about your personal life, but it's not right to push it off on every one else as "This is how it has been, so it must be that way for all."

If it makes you feel better though, why don't you join First Lady Michelle Obama in her campaign to fight childhood obesity? You'll have a lot of fun paving the way for the next wave of eating disorders in our nation's youth because it's treated like an apocalypse to have an ounce of fat on a child's body.

[The Stryker]

What the hell is wrong with fighting childhood obesity? Being obsese causes health problems.

[Leo656]

Exactly. And did you know that buildup along the arterial walls in your heart can start at age SIX? Six years old. That's why it's a dangerous issue.

Don't care? I'm a jerk? Okay then, I guess the health care bill that isn't gonna happen will just cover a few million triple bypass surgeries? Do you know what they cost? Do you know the amount of blood thinners, diabetic insulin, heart regulators and other medicines a middle aged overweight person might need to have?

It's not JUST "my problem", it's a REAL problem. Name calling doesn't fix it. Being hypersensitive doesn't fix it. Ignoring it doesn't fix it.

I don't play the sympathy game. I live in the real world. My girlfriend is about 20 lbs overweight (I'm sure she'd be thrilled with me mentioning that, but whatever) and disgusted with herself. She used to be an athlete, she won trophies in soccer; life happens, people get lazy. But she doesn't blame anyone but herself for the rut she got herself into, and she knows it's up to her to fix it. She's procrastinating, but she knows what she needs to do, and she also knows I'm not gonna dump her just because she gained a few. She's still plenty beautiful to me.

How's that for me being an insensitive jerk? :roll:

Don't assume I'm a bully just because I don't talk to each and every person like they're a special unique little butterfly. I don't buy the bullsh*t that smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts and obese people sell, that they are "helpless in the face of this crippling (self-inflicted) disease".

People are only as helpless as they want to be. Fact.

I do find it hilarious, though, that anyone would mention me joining with an Obama over anything. Do I haaaaaaaave to? :lol:

[Ninjinister]

What the f*** happened to this topic?

[The Stryker]

What the f*** happened to this topic?

Somebody got their panties in a knot over jokes.

[Venom]

Just like Kevin Smith did after rescheduling his flight.

[Leo656]

DING! And we're back on. Good show, old boy.

[Cure]

Jerk much? Look, you don't understand that you're coming off as obnoxious and arrogant. Sorry about your personal life, but it's not right to push it off on every one else as "This is how it has been, so it must be that way for all."

If it makes you feel better though, why don't you join First Lady Michelle Obama in her campaign to fight childhood obesity? You'll have a lot of fun paving the way for the next wave of eating disorders in our nation's youth because it's treated like an apocalypse to have an ounce of fat on a child's body.

Holy sh*t. Did you just say you have a problem with fighting childhood obesity? An actual health problem? You're saying more retarded things than Leo has EVER said.

Being fat is a problem, plain and simple. Does it make people less attractive? I don't think so (unless they're f*cking cows) but it's still a problem, and treating it like it isn't one only makes things worse.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Holy sh*t. Did you just say you have a problem with fighting childhood obesity? An actual health problem? You're saying more retarded things than Leo has EVER said.

Being fat is a problem, plain and simple. Does it make people less attractive? I don't think so (unless they're f*cking cows) but it's still a problem, and treating it like it isn't one only makes things worse.

You have entirely twisted that out of context. Children and babies are supposed to have a little extra padding, but it's being treated as if just one ounce of fat on their bodies is obesity. In case you haven't followed, Michelle Obama has been calling her own daughters fat or at least being on the verge due to a doctor's claim.

Mods, again I ask you to shut this down now or at least move it to the Volcanic Astroid. It has served its purpose. Hell, I don't even know that it had a purpose other than to make fat jokes and spark infomercials for dieting tips.

[Cure]

You have entirely twisted that out of context. Children and babies are supposed to have a little extra padding, but it's being treated as if just one ounce of fat on their bodies is obesity.

No, it's not. Obesity is a medical term with BMI being calculated and whatnot. BMI too high=obese. Although I will admit in rare cases a very fit and lean person can have a high BMI. I forgot how, but I digress.

I don't think this should be closed; nothing's getting TOO out of hand as of yet.

[Duke]

Although I will admit in rare cases a very fit and lean person can have a high BMI. I forgot how, but I digress.If someone is extremely muscular they can show up as obese on the BMI tables because BMI is calculated by weight and height only. It doesn't calculate body fat at all.

[Cure]

If someone is extremely muscular they can show up as obese on the BMI tables because BMI is calculated by weight and height only. It doesn't calculate body fat at all.

OK, there you go. Not lean, muscular.

[Leo656]

Right, BMI isn't as accurate as a Body Fat Percentage reading using calipers and all that along with a table that measures your fat percentage in accordance with your age. There's a type of water displacement measurement technique that's supposed to be the gold standard in mass indexes, but it's rarely ever done as it's impractical and cost-prohibitive. For most people a caliper test is as accurate as they'll ever need to be.

I guess some people missed the part where it's more dangerous to be underweight? I did mention that. Or are people (more like a very small few) just reading what they want and ignoring the rest? That's never happened before...

What's the point in locking a thread that 99% of people are ok with? So one person doesn't like the vibe; s'all good playa, just swagger on. You made a point, called some folks judgmental... you don't agree with consensus, which is fine, but people shouldn't be discouraged from talking about a real problem (or making fun of Kevin Smith) just because it smacks some as insensitive.

If it makes you feel better, next time I start a kickball team, you can be on it. Deal? I'd hate to hurt anyone's feelings.

Just kidding, hurting people's feelings is hilarious.

[XERO]

Figured this would be appropriate.

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[plastroncafe]

What's the point in locking a thread that 99% of people are ok with? So one person doesn't like the vibe; s'all good playa, just swagger on. You made a point, called some folks judgmental... you don't agree with consensus, which is fine, but people shouldn't be discouraged from talking about a real problem (or making fun of Kevin Smith) just because it smacks some as insensitive.


It's the internet, it's never JUST one person.
The whole "Die Fattie Die" section of this thread is indeed a thread-jack. And yeah, busting balls because of someone's weight? It's a pretty craptastic thing to do. Especially on a message board dedicated to the Ninja Turtles of all things.

[Mecha Cow]

"People of size?" "People of size?" Are you kidding me? I'm all for tolerance and I don't have anything against fat people, but this is political correctness taken too far. If you're cool with your size, more power to you, but let's not start pretending it's OK to be unhealthy.

[Leo656]

:lol: Who said "Die Fatty Die"? Awesome.

And I'd like to know who was ball-bustin'. Nobody said anything that wasn't true, being overweight isn't good for you whether it offends you or not, and you can't just wish it away. It's one thing to be comfortable in one's own skin and all, but... yeah, I can't imagine being 400 lbs and having good self-esteem no matter what kind of BS I tried to sell myself. And it isn't like people get that way by accident.

I'unno, whatever. I love Kevin Smith and I hate his drama queen attitude, along with the couple hundred pounds he can barely hide under his trenchcoat anymore. And I'm allowed to feel that way. He can take it, and loves the attention, so good for him.

[Koi]

Michelle Obama has been calling her own daughters fat or at least being on the verge due to a doctor's claim.


Doctor's tend to tell the truth, (especially with a presidents daughter). If a doctor says your too big, then your too big.

Also, mind linking this information? I highly doubt Obama is telling everyone his daughter is fat.

EDIT:
How long was Kevin up-roaring for after it? A week, a few days?

[XERO]

Doctor's tend to tell the truth.

They also tend to be assholes.

[The Stryker]

They also tend to be assholes.

Most people seem to interpret telling the truth as being an asshole 'round these parts.

[XERO]

Trust me... they can be assholes when the truth's not even the factor.

[Cure]

You're over generalizing. You may have had some poor doctors, sure, but not all of them are "assholes". You can't speak for all of them.

[Koi]

http://www.bioetica.uchile.cl/doc/honesty.htm

"Not telling the truth in the doctor-patient relationship requires special attention because patients today, more than ever, experience serious harm if they are lied to. Not only is patient autonomy undermined but patients who are not told the truth about an intervention experience a loss of that all important trust which is required for healing. Honesty matters to patients. They need it because they are ill, vulnerable, and burdened with pressing questions which require truthful answers. "

I am guessing most doctor's are truthful for the most part.

Looky there, a new subject?

[gobo]

Hold up. Kevin Smith is fat? :o

[Leonardo Mystic]

Doctor's tend to tell the truth, (especially with a presidents daughter). If a doctor says your too big, then your too big.

Also, mind linking this information? I highly doubt Obama is telling everyone his daughter is fat.

EDIT:
How long was Kevin up-roaring for after it? A week, a few days?

There you go, right here all in black and white: http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/is-it-okay-to-talk-about-your-daughters-weight-if-it-s-for-the-national-good-579635/

[XERO]

You're over generalizing. You may have had some poor doctors, sure, but not all of them are "assholes". You can't speak for all of them.

I'm not speaking for all doctors at all. Like you said, I've just experienced the ones who acted like they were. To me, it's not just about being honest. It's how you bestow that honesty.

Hold up. Kevin Smith is fat? :o

Shocking, isn't it?

[Duke]

I'm not speaking for all doctors at all. Like you said, I've just experienced the ones who acted like they were. To me, it's not just about being honest. It's how you bestow that honesty.But that's what doctors are paid to do. Most people don't go to the doctor when everything is going great. They go to the doctor when something is wrong and the doctor is forced to tell them things that they do not want to hear. The truth hurts but saying it doesn't make you an a-hole.

[XERO]

But that's what doctors are paid to do. Most people don't go to the doctor when everything is going great. They go to the doctor when something is wrong and the doctor is forced to tell them things that they do not want to hear. The truth hurts but saying it doesn't make you an a-hole.

You're totally missing my point. It's not based on truth. It's the attitudes that are sketchy.

But, as you mentioned, that's what they're paid to do. They probably wouldn't do that for free, I bet.

[Leo656]

Some people think it's overreacting to start worrying about "just gaining a few pounds". Trust me, that's how it starts. The first 10-20 lbs come the quickest, and are also the easiest to lose. The longer you play the waiting game, the more dangerous it becomes and the harder it is to get back on track.

Michelle Obama also should be applauded (ah geez... I said it, didn't I? BLECH) for being vigilant. She's probably well aware of the fact that black people are at a statistically higher risk of obesity, heart disease, and stroke. She wants what's best for her kids, and I can't blame her for that.

Eating disorders schmeeting disorders. Only absolute morons confuse "healthy lifestyle choices" with "omg I'm fat I gotta lose 100 lbs I better not eat anything." That stuff comes from within. Nobody can (or should be able to, at least) either give you self-esteem, nor erode it. You either like yourself as a person, or you don't.

I for one think the modeling industry is the most disgusting thing in all existence, because they're the ones who perpetuate the sterotype of a Size 0 being somehow normal when it isn't. But what kind of nitwit looks at people like that and says, "That's beautiful, I wanna look just like that"? If that's your standard of beauty, then God help you. But people (and especially chicks) still fall for it, still buy into it, and thus give themselves eating disorders. I can't sympathize.

There's a huge difference between being like Jillian Michaels and being like Kate Moss; people that can't see that are ignorant.

[Duke]

You're totally missing my point. It's not based on truth. It's the attitudes that are sketchy.No, I got your point. It's not what they say but how they say it. I understand that's how you feel, but I'm just not sure I agree with you. I can't really speak for you personally, because I haven't been there when you've spoke to your doctors but in general I think people make doctors out to be way worse than they are. A lot of times when people get bad news from a doctor, they project their negative feelings about the bad news onto the doctor. They see the doctor as being insensitive or uncaring, when in reality that wasn't the case at all. They end up hating the messenger as much as they hate the message.

[XERO]

No, I got your point. It's not what they say but how they say it. I understand that's how you feel, but I'm just not sure I agree with you. I can't really speak for you personally, because I haven't been there when you've spoke to your doctors but in general I think people make doctors out to be way worse than they are. A lot of times when people get bad news from a doctor, they project their negative feelings about the bad news onto the doctor. They see the doctor as being insensitive or uncaring, when in reality that wasn't the case at all. They end up hating the messenger as much as they hate the message.

Yeah, I know.

Sorry about that, man. The flashbacks to the lowest points in my life still make me upset. I've been through a lot of crap just to get to where I am today, and my doctors didn't really make it all better. The rehab therapists did.

[Duke]

You guys are all wrong. Being fat is the best thing you can possibly do for your health. Don't let First Lady Obama or any other individual feed you lies that being overweight isn't the best decision of your lives.

Beer belly stops knife attack (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2866921/Beer-belly-saves-knifed-mans-life.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News)

Extra fat stops bullets (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35549378/ns/us_news-weird_news/)



Yeah, I know.

Sorry about that, man. The flashbacks to the lowest points in my life still make me upset. I've been through a lot of crap just to get to where I am today, and my doctors didn't really make it all better. The rehab therapists did.This I completely understand. Besides constantly being the messenger of bad news, doctors also just don't have the opportunity to spend a lot of time with their patients. So they are seen as the jerk who doesn't even care enough to stick around. It's the nurses, therapists, and other health care professionals that get the opportunity to actually spend time with their patients.

[Cure]

You guys are all wrong. Being fat is the best thing you can possibly do for your health. Don't let First Lady Obama or any other individual feed you lies that being overweight isn't the best decision of your lives.

Beer belly stops knife attack (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2866921/Beer-belly-saves-knifed-mans-life.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News)

Extra fat stops bullets (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35549378/ns/us_news-weird_news/)

Hahaha. I understand this is a joke, but aren't the chances of a heart attack or other health issues happening higher than getting shot or stabbed, anyway?