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Samhain
02-18-2010, 10:00 AM
I was going to put this in the comic book section but I didnt think alot of peeps go in that cat to much...So, As a huge collecter of Original Art, I wanted to discuss their favorite comic book artist and why?

I have tons myself. Of course I like Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman. I would imagine anyone in this thread will probably say the same. But there are others.

David Finch
Andres Ponce
Rob Liefeld

Now, David Finch, IMHO, is the best artist in comics right now. The detail in his work is just sick. His pencils are just so tight that when its inked it just doesnt look the same. But as of right now, he is my avorite artist in general.

Andres Ponce: some of you might know him. I discovered him about a year ago. As far as Tmnt artists go, he is top. In my opinion. Theres just something about the way he draws turtles that catches my eye. And hes a super nice dude. Probably one the nicest artist ive dealt with.

Rob Liefeld: Now before all the haters come in here,let me just say this dude does not get alot of respect. He created some of the coolest characters in comic books today and that alone makes him a badass. ART IS SUBJECTIVE. I think he is a great artist. Feet or no feet, he has his own style. Thats is what count. Plus, he created friggin DEADPOOL! Rob liefeld owns everyone just for that.

So let discuss. And please if ya got a dissagreement, lets have respect. I dont mind having a nice discussion about who is better and why. Thnx.

愛
02-18-2010, 12:33 PM
Just because you think not a lot of people go into a section doesn't mean it's okay to put it somewhere else.

Anyway, continue.

Mecha Cow
02-18-2010, 01:20 PM
Artist's what?

And Liefeld? Are you trying to be ironic or something?

Samhain
02-18-2010, 01:41 PM
Just because you think not a lot of people go into a section doesn't mean it's okay to put it somewhere else.

Anyway, continue.

Chill. Just wanted to discuss jeez.

Samhain
02-18-2010, 01:41 PM
Artist's what?

And Liefeld? Are you trying to be ironic or something?

What about Rob? Did you People really come into this thread not to contribute to it or have a discussion but to say stuff that doesnt matter. God no big dealio. Do you two wanna discuss? Didnt think so.

The Stryker
02-18-2010, 04:06 PM
Rob Liefeld: Now before all the haters come in here,let me just say this dude does not get alot of respect. He created some of the coolest characters in comic books today and that alone makes him a badass. ART IS SUBJECTIVE. I think he is a great artist. Feet or no feet, he has his own style. Thats is what count. Plus, he created friggin DEADPOOL! Rob liefeld owns everyone just for that.

Hooray, He created the most overrated and overused character in comics today this side of Wolverine.

Besides that his art is TERRIBLE.

http://www.comicbookmarks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/thing.jpg

I'm a huge fan of Alex Ross. I also enjoyed Humberto Ramos' Spider-man work for some reason. Also, Ed Mcguinness

Candy Kappa
02-18-2010, 07:23 PM
top 3 is a hard one, but I know the king goes high for me

Turo602
02-18-2010, 07:29 PM
I'm a huge fan of Alex Ross. I also enjoyed Humberto Ramos' Spider-man work for some reason. Also, Ed Mcguinness

I'm not much of a comic reader or really knows who does the art but all I got to say is Ed Mcguinness all the way.

Samhain
02-18-2010, 08:08 PM
Hooray, He created the most overrated and overused character in comics today this side of Wolverine.

Besides that his art is TERRIBLE.

http://www.comicbookmarks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/thing.jpg

I'm a huge fan of Alex Ross. I also enjoyed Humberto Ramos' Spider-man work for some reason. Also, Ed Mcguinness

Dude, before XMen Origins, Deadpool was hardly known to anyone who doesnt read comics. And how is he overused? I take it your not a DP fan? If not, why? He awesome! Like I said, to each his own. You think its terrible but I personally cant stand Alex Ross. The man and his art. Its good but I just dont like it.

愛
02-18-2010, 08:28 PM
Chill. Just wanted to discuss jeez.

Oh, trust me, I am "chill." I'm just doing my job, so as long as you can follow simple instructions, we're okay.

Samhain
02-18-2010, 08:42 PM
I'm not much of a comic reader or really knows who does the art but all I got to say is Ed Mcguinness all the way.

I do love me some Ed Mcguinness tho! Loved his DP.

The Stryker
02-18-2010, 09:27 PM
Dude, before XMen Origins, Deadpool was hardly known to anyone who doesnt read comics. And how is he overused? I take it your not a DP fan? If not, why? He awesome!

Have you seen a comic book store lately? There are like 10 ongoing Deadpool series and he's been making guest spots in others. It's ridiculous.

I'm okay with Deadpool but not when he's in every damn book. His schtick is funny in small doses.

Turo602
02-18-2010, 09:36 PM
Have you seen a comic book store lately? There are like 10 ongoing Deadpool series and he's been making guest spots in others. It's ridiculous.

I'm okay with Deadpool but not when he's in every damn book. His schtick is funny in small doses.

Deadpool is not really that much of a big deal like Spider-Man or Wolverine. He's just like a cool side hero, I don't see why he should have so much going on with him.

Samhain
02-18-2010, 09:36 PM
Have you seen a comic book store lately? There are like 10 ongoing Deadpool series and he's been making guest spots in others. It's ridiculous.

I'm okay with Deadpool but not when he's in every damn book. His schtick is funny in small doses.

Yeah but its only been like that just recently. And they sell so it will probably only get worse. 2 years ago it wasnt like it is now.

prescribeddrone
02-19-2010, 04:21 AM
I've been a Deadpool fan since like 1997. Don't like, don't buy it. You don't have to buy every book he's in. It's simple. I'm happy for his success. And it's 3 ongoing books, with a 4th coming in April. Although I dunno how long it will last.

What's the big deal? Batman is in like 10 books a month. Spider-Man had a ton a books in the 90's as well. Same goes for Wolverine. Hell, look at who this site is based on... remember all the merch in the 90's? Yeah, that's right. Cereal, underwear, tons of toys, Halloween costumes, Vanilla Ice, Radio City Music....

It's a BUSINESS. They notice the sales of the character or franchise, so they CAPITALIZE. It's the American way, after all.

And seriously, Rob isn't that bad. It's funny to see him get bashed yet those same people probably can't draw half as good. He isn't a top artist like Jim Lee or Alex Ross, but he's gotten a lot better nowadays, It seems like it's just a huge trend to hate on him. I'm not a big fan of Humberto Ramos but, **** I'd be lying if I wouldn't be happy to have the talent to draw like him or almost like him.

Candy Kappa
02-19-2010, 04:38 AM
deadpool was allover the place way before the origins movie (and I did not see any deadpool in it, just someone supposed to be Wade Wilson)

but anyway, one of my Norwegian favorites are Frode Ă˜verli, most known for Pondus

Samhain
02-19-2010, 10:31 AM
I've been a Deadpool fan since like 1997. Don't like, don't buy it. You don't have to buy every book he's in. It's simple. I'm happy for his success. And it's 3 ongoing books, with a 4th coming in April. Although I dunno how long it will last.

What's the big deal? Batman is in like 10 books a month. Spider-Man had a ton a books in the 90's as well. Same goes for Wolverine. Hell, look at who this site is based on... remember all the merch in the 90's? Yeah, that's right. Cereal, underwear, tons of toys, Halloween costumes, Vanilla Ice, Radio City Music....

It's a BUSINESS. They notice the sales of the character or franchise, so they CAPITALIZE. It's the American way, after all.

And seriously, Rob isn't that bad. It's funny to see him get bashed yet those same people probably can't draw half as good. He isn't a top artist like Jim Lee or Alex Ross, but he's gotten a lot better nowadays, It seems like it's just a huge trend to hate on him. I'm not a big fan of Humberto Ramos but, **** I'd be lying if I wouldn't be happy to have the talent to draw like him or almost like him.

Yeah well obviously someone likes Deadpool or else he wouldnt be all over, right? I love Deadpool and I dont think we get enough of him. And it is like the ''cool'' thing to do. Hate on Rob and judge every person who is a fan of his art. Regardless of wether you like him or not, the man created Cable and Deadpool. That is something none of us will ever top.

And on topic, sort of, yes I totally agree Rob has much improved since back when. Have you seen his Image United cover he did ? BADASS.

http://i50.tinypic.com/i73ket.jpg

Sewer Bull
02-19-2010, 10:55 AM
I have tons myself. Of course I like Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman. I would imagine anyone in this thread will probably say the same.


Meh.

Even if the choice was limited to favourite TMNT comic book artists, I wouldn't choose either of them. I really preferred Chris Allen, for instance.

Robert Crumb, Charles Burns, Daniel Clowes.

Mecha Cow
02-19-2010, 11:00 AM
It has nothing to do with "hating;" the man is not a very good artist by any standard. You're more than free to disagree, but you're the exception and not the rule -- don't act like anyone who dislikes Liefeld's artwork is doing so because it's the "cool thing to do." Many people genuinely think his work is bad, and for good reason. The picture you posted just now is not exactly a convincing counterargument (Nor is "let's see you do better," for that matter).

The sad thing is that Liefeld obviously has at least some talent for drawing, it's just that he lacks technical skill. Maybe if he took some of the many criticisms to heart he might actually become a decent artist someday. Then again, if I could make millions by churning out substandard artwork I'd do the same thing, so I can't really blame him for not giving a sh*t.

To clarify: this is not to start an argument. I'm just commenting on some of the statements made. To contribute, I think Adi Granov (http://adigranov.net/)'s work, particularly his technical design, is really impressive.

Samhain
02-19-2010, 11:18 AM
It has nothing to do with "hating;" the man is not a very good artist by any standard. You're more than free to disagree, but you're the exception and not the rule -- don't act like anyone who dislikes Liefeld's artwork is doing so because it's the "cool thing to do." Many people genuinely think his work is bad, and for good reason. The picture you posted just now is not exactly a convincing counterargument (Nor is "let's see you do better," for that matter).

The sad thing is that Liefeld obviously has at least some talent for drawing, it's just that he lacks technical skill. Maybe if he took some of the many criticisms to heart he might actually become a decent artist someday. Then again, if I could make millions by churning out substandard artwork I'd do the same thing, so I can't really blame him for not giving a sh*t.

To clarify: this is not to start an argument. I'm just commenting on some of the statements made. To contribute, I think Adi Granov (http://adigranov.net/)'s work, particularly his technical design, is really impressive.

Nah dude im not about fighting anyone. To the above post about Eastman and Laird, I think alot of people are fans of their art because of the characters that they created. Not because they are super great artists. But the point is that they created the characters that we love so we instantly love their art, to some degree. Tons of people on this board would pay to get a Jim Lawson commission and wouldnt take a Liefeld commission for free. Puzzling.

If Liefeld didnt create cool characters, I probably wouldnt like him. Why would I? He clearly is not the best artist out there and he has stated many times that he isnt. He is however really down to earth and a super nice dude. Combine that with the title of creator to cool characters and cool art, IMO, thats is all you need. If any of us had to go through all the critism he has to deal with everyday, we would have quit long ago. And he still gets work, so he must be good on some level. For some artists, its that status of being the creator. If I want a Turtle Commission, I want one from its creator. Their dad if you will.

Like I said , art, like music is all a matter of opinion. I will agree he is definatly not the best out there. But he gets work and I enjoy his art. And alot of other people do. God , as soon as I typed Rob Lie...I knew this would start. lol

And on topic, Adi Gronov_is his work digital?

Mecha Cow
02-19-2010, 12:30 PM
And on topic, Adi Gronov_is his work digital?
His coloring certainly is. He used to have a step-by-step process description on his old site, but he took it down. It's a shame too, because it had a lot of images on it that can't be found in his new gallery, like his non-Marvel stuff.

Samhain
02-19-2010, 01:36 PM
His coloring certainly is. He used to have a step-by-step process description on his old site, but he took it down. It's a shame too, because it had a lot of images on it that can't be found in his new gallery, like his non-Marvel stuff.

Yeah it certainly looks to be digital. Good stuff. I like his Iron Man.

Koschei
02-19-2010, 02:12 PM
wow wow wow.
Deadpool is the only Marvel book I read. Everything else is trash. Not art wise, and yes some of the epic universe stories are interesting, but the constant changes to characters, changes of origin stories etc.

The current writers of Deadpool are spot on and the whole creative team is doing some amazing stuff.
'nuff said.

And than Liefeld. Sure he isnt the best, sure its fun to look at his pieces and pick at everything thats wrong. But, he delivers artwork the catches readers eyes and sells books base off of fan base. Which makes him a pretty valuable player in the comic field.


Enough with the drama and everything everybody already knows.

Favorite comic artist.

Greg Capullo- one of my favorite all around artist as well. The guy is untouchable.

Johnny Craig- The Godfather of Horror and one of the masters of ECcomics.

3rd place is way too hard to decide. Its a tie between:
Todd McFalane- Spider-man would have died 20 years ago without him

Ryan Ottley- Fantastic Artist. Has a huge future in the field. And one of the coolest sketch blogs out there.

Jod Mad!- who actually went down a notch with Ultimates 3.

Udon Crew- what these guys do as a team his incredible. Not to mention when they ink or color somebody elses work it makes it 10 times better.

Samhain
02-19-2010, 02:24 PM
Love Capullo. Him and Mcfarlane are beastly. I wish Mcfarlane Oiginal art ws easier to come by. His Spidey is my fav. And I love Joe Mad! If it wasnt for him, I dont think id be half as interested in Darksiders as I am.

discordiatookie
02-19-2010, 03:30 PM
Hmm, I really dig the art of D'israeli and Paul Grist. Both have very distinct styles. Carlos Ezquerra was my favourite artist when I was growing up. He cocreated Judge Dredd and Strontium Dog for 2000AD.

Frank Miller is awesome, I could reread his Sin City books and The Dark Knight Returns over and over again.

I love Ryan Ottley's work in Invincible. He's awesome.

In the TMNT universes, my favourite would probably be AC Farley. Eric Talbot a close second.

So, uuh, a wee bit more than three, but och well...

Samhain
02-19-2010, 04:25 PM
Yeah there are too many to pick just 3. lol. Its hard. Maybe this can be a thread where we just share our fav artists and not have to pick just 3. Could a Mod change the title to ''Favorite comic book artists''? That way we can just talk freely about whatever artist and we wont have to limit to just 3. Thanks.

Candy Kappa
02-19-2010, 05:20 PM
Udon Crew- what these guys do as a team his incredible. Not to mention when they ink or color somebody elses work it makes it 10 times better.

met Jim zubkavich from UDON last week during Animex festival, got myself a drawing he did for me featuring GIR from invader zim.

made a drawing to him with me shaking him screaming I can work for peanuts

I'm subtle:trazz:

Samhain
02-19-2010, 05:53 PM
Cool man. Anybody here like Ethan Van Sciver? His work on GL: Rebirth was what got me into reading comics again. Met him and his wife and they are pretty cool people. Got a Hal Jordan commission from him. Super easy to deal with, well atleast he used to be.

Koi
02-19-2010, 06:47 PM
Man this is hard... John Picacio, George Perez, and maybe Mike Mignola. But their are way to many good artist's to just name three.

prescribeddrone
02-19-2010, 07:53 PM
Cool man. Anybody here like Ethan Van Sciver? His work on GL: Rebirth was what got me into reading comics again. Met him and his wife and they are pretty cool people. Got a Hal Jordan commission from him. Super easy to deal with, well atleast he used to be.

Ethan Van Sciver is the man. I like too many artists to even try to start name dropping.

Powder
02-19-2010, 08:04 PM
Craig (AC) Farley
Frank Fosco
Kevin Eastman back in the day.


Other then Usagi Yojimbo, TMNT, & Savage Dragon I really don't read comics... So yeah.

Krutch
02-20-2010, 06:00 AM
I hate to be the guy who rolls with mainstream names, but I cant help it. I love their stuff. Jim Lee, Alex Ross, Jay Scott Campbell, The Lunas Bros, Phil Hester, and I'll throw in Scott McCloud for good measure.

Oh, and I'm totally missing Michael Turner's artwork. Sad he left us so young.

Also a huge fan of Sebastian Piriz. But I'm a bit biased, since he drew my first comic I wrote :)

Koschei
02-20-2010, 08:00 AM
I hate to be the guy who rolls with mainstream names, but I cant help it. I love their stuff. Jim Lee, Alex Ross, Jay Scott Campbell, The Lunas Bros, Phil Hester, and I'll throw in Scott McCloud for good measure.

Oh, and I'm totally missing Michael Turner's artwork. Sad he left us so young.

Also a huge fan of Sebastian Piriz. But I'm a bit biased, since he drew my first comic I wrote :)

I know man it sucks, last week I saw Turner in something?(tv, or magazine)
And there's like an empty hole in my body every time I see his work or his photo.
He is deeply missed.

Oculus Orbus
02-20-2010, 08:52 AM
I love so many comics artists. If I had to choose just one, I'd say Duncan Fegredo. For me, he's simply the best. Other than that, I don't really read many mainstream comics, so most of my favourite artists are more into indie or underground stuff: Chris Ware, Daniel Clowes, Charles Burns, Anders Nilsen... you know.

Raph's Girl
02-20-2010, 09:14 AM
LeSean
AC Farley
Kevin Eastman
Jim Lee
Eric Talbot

Lordmylar06
02-20-2010, 10:56 AM
Oh geez. Here goes.

Charlie Adlard
Chris Bachalo
Ed Mcguinness
AC Farley
Eric Talbot
Adam Hughes
Alvin Lee
Mark Brooks
Joe Ng
Charles Holbert Jr.
Jim Lee

... I could make a mile long list, and it's hard to put any one artist on the top because I like them for different reasons.

Samhain
02-20-2010, 12:29 PM
I agree wth all the above mentioned. Love Jim Lee. Got a Gambbit sketch from him. Nice dude.

Heres a vid of him doing a 8 minute Gambit Commission. This is not mine but it just shows you how much of a badass this guy is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xp_tY4KNhI

Brodie
02-21-2010, 01:14 AM
Rob Liefeld: Now before all the haters come in here,let me just say this dude does not get alot of respect. He created some of the coolest characters in comic books today and that alone makes him a badass. ART IS SUBJECTIVE. I think he is a great artist. Feet or no feet, he has his own style. Thats is what count. Plus, he created friggin DEADPOOL! Rob liefeld owns everyone just for that.

. Thnx.

http://manvsart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/liefeld_cap.jpg

Yeah. He's great.

Powder
02-21-2010, 06:14 AM
Breast implants?

jaymq
02-21-2010, 08:20 AM
Andres Ponce. Loved issue 36, it's what brought me back into the comics. Loved the way the turtles were done and the overall issue. Michael Dooney is my favorite turtle artist I think though, Ponce did less than a handful of issues, yea?

Not familiar with the other two offhand.


Michael Turner back in the 90s when he started on the Witchblade.

Stan Sakai.

May come back and add more, those are off the top of my head.

Candy Kappa
02-21-2010, 10:38 AM
weird picture

ong what happened to cap:teek:

Samhain
02-21-2010, 11:37 AM
Yes everyone knows about that. Nothing new. Rob has adressed that before and apologized. lmao.

I realize there are probably alot more people out there who love to hate him and I cant change that. Im sure there are tons of people out there who think Tmnt is just the dumbest thing in the world. We cant change it so Oh well. I like him and tons of other people do as well. He sold tons of books. And hes still doing what he does. But yes that cap is horrid. But as an artist,There are MUCH worse out there. Not the best but certainly does not get the respect he much deserves.

Rob talks about captain Boobmerica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFqXs6vYvO8

Brodie
02-21-2010, 04:29 PM
If I met him at comicon, I'd ask him to draw me Boob-Cap.


Anyway...I like Oliver Copiel, Older Humberto Ramos, Joe Mad, Bryan Hitch, and John Romita jr, when he was doing earlier runs of ASM. Now? He just draws wrinkly block heads.

Samhain
02-21-2010, 04:34 PM
Andres Ponce. Loved issue 36, it's what brought me back into the comics. Loved the way the turtles were done and the overall issue. Michael Dooney is my favorite turtle artist I think though, Ponce did less than a handful of issues, yea?

Not familiar with the other two offhand.


Michael Turner back in the 90s when he started on the Witchblade.

Stan Sakai.

May come back and add more, those are off the top of my head.

Yeah I think Ponce has done 2 issues of Tmnt regular run. And he did The F.F comic that was in the U.K. I think. Awesome dude.

Yeah Michael Dooney I think has the most well rounded Turtles of all. He is probably the best Tmnt artist IMO. Kinda the definitive Tmnt artist.

The Stryker
02-21-2010, 04:55 PM
John Romita jr, when he was doing earlier runs of ASM. Now? He just draws wrinkly block heads.

I once read one of his issues and thought it was a story where Hammerhead took over the universe and made everyone look like him.

Leo656
02-22-2010, 06:00 PM
Dan Jurgens is probably my sentimental favorite. Not as flashy as some, but there's nobody he can't draw (and between DC, Marvel and Image, he probably HAS drawn every major character). There's a reason he was doing like 1/3 of DC's big books in the early 90s, and all those promotional posters.

John Byrne was masterful in the 80s. He's hit-or-miss sometimes but his Superman run was a classic (why do you think fans sh*t a brick every time someone tries to retcon that era away?)

Jim Lee should be the official Batman artist... but he can't, because he's too damn slow. :lol:

For photo-realism, nobody beats Alex Ross. I'm in awe every time I see his stuff.

Neal Adams is a hero to many for a lot more than the fact that his Batman is the one folks copied all through the 70s and 80s; he's also a huge champion for creators' rights.

If you saw a Batman drawing in the 80s, more than likely it was drawn by Jim Aparo.

Ethan Van Sciver has this amazing attention for nuance and detail (some of his faces are kinda ugly, though). Every page looks like it took weeks to do.

Scott Shaw! has always been the king of "funny animal" books like Captain Carrot and Sonic The Hedgehog. Scoff if you must, it's hard to draw that simple and make it look good.

I used to love Greg Laroque (think I spelled it wrong) on The Flash back in the early 90s. "The Return Of Barry Allen" is one of my favorite stories ever; the despair Wally feels when he feels his mentor has turned evil is visually palpable.

Ed McGuinness grew on me. At first it was too over the top and stylized, but I like how clean it is. Wouldn't work on everything, but it's a style perfectly suited for "big-action" stuff (like the first 6 issues of Superman/Batman).

I could go on and on but those are the main ones I like.

Samhain
02-26-2010, 11:24 AM
I know not everyone here likes Liefeld, but heres a Turtle he drew . I love it. I love the different styles people use when drawing the Tmnt. :tgrin:

http://i45.tinypic.com/30jsh8o.jpg

Color:

http://i50.tinypic.com/a0e6va.jpg

Andrew NDB
02-26-2010, 11:37 AM
Neat. That's an interesting take on a Ninja Turtle. At least there's no muscled plastron... which I ****ing hate, in any medium.

Samhain
02-26-2010, 11:39 AM
Yeah, remids me a little of how Mcfarlane draws the turtles. I love to see each artist's take on them.

Koschei
02-26-2010, 12:48 PM
Samhain-that is nice. is it yours?

Samhain
02-26-2010, 01:02 PM
Samhain-that is nice. is it yours?

Nah, Its belongs to a buddy of mine. I do plan on getting something similar tho from him.