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Vivi

03-25-2010, 02:10 AM

I'm sure there are a few Lost fans floating around.
So far I have reached season 6 episode 9 where finally some things have been inconclusively revealed.

The show feels like it's been slowly ambling along until now, and even though Richard's backstory has been one of the more interesting so far, if this turns out to be a good vs evil thing, with a little religious mumbo jumbo thrown in, I will feel a little disappointed.
Things that are "explained":
-Richard (angry and confused that Jacob has been killed) has told his Lostie group that they are dead and that they are in hell.
-Jacob has told Richard that the island is more like a cork, stopping the evil swirling out from the bottle.
-Jacob cannot bring people back from the dead or absolve their sins.
-Jacob also told Richard that he brings people to the island to prove that they can make good choices without interference.
-Richard has been granted eternal life by Jacob, after being shipwrecked on the island in the 19th century.
-Smokey (as the Man In Black) told Richard that Jacob was the devil and needed to be killed.
-Smokey has said that he just wants to go home.
-Richard gets his as* handed to him on a platter when he tries to stab Jacob, whom then dunks him in the ocean a few times and confirms he is actually living.
-Jacob has denied being the devil. Claims Smokey to be the bitter and angry one.
-Hurley speaks to Richard's dead wife, and passes on the message that Smokey is the devil.

What?!

It still feels a little tacked on to me at this late stage in the series. There are gaping plot holes if this turns out to be the sole explanation (which hopefully it isn't). What interests me, which has not been explained so far, are the strong Egyptian references in the show.
Consider:
- The broken statue is the Egyptian fertility goddess Tauret, destroyed by the Black Rock on a tidal wave. Being able to give birth here seems to be a long term problem.
-The Egyptian hieroglyphics in the hatch on the time panel.
- Egyptian hieroglyphics in the temple's secret passageway.

There have even been theories flying around how the island is actually Eden, which some evidence points to. But so far I'm getting strong vibes of Stephen King's "The Stand".

http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/exhibitionist/cork2.jpg

Any other theories or opinions on the show so far? Please share.

Mecha Cow

03-25-2010, 02:21 AM

Yup, I'm still watching and loving it.

How can you say the good vs. evil thing is tacked on, though? It's pretty clear that it's one of the central themes of the show, and it was established all the way back in the second episode (I'm not saying they had the whole show planned out at that time, but the basics where there, at least) with the black/white thing.

At this point I'm just really wondering who or what Jacob and the Man in Black are.
Also, if anyone posts in here without spoiler tags, there's going to be trouble. I know how it goes around here. Just use the damn tags.

PAAATE

03-25-2010, 02:33 AM

I like it too, but I seriously have to ask

Has there been an explanation yet, as to how Charles Widmore fits into this whole thing? In that case, I must've forgotten about it. Cos for a long time I thought this primarily was about Widmore vs. Jacob, but then the Man in Black showed up... :P

Vivi

03-25-2010, 02:34 AM

Yup, I'm still watching and loving it.

How can you say the good vs. evil thing is tacked on, though? It's pretty clear that it's one of the central themes of the show, and it was established all the way back in the second episode (I'm not saying they had the whole show planned out at that time, but the basics where there, at least) with the black/white thing.

Hm, good point. I guess that I think it's tacked on because it's more of a non-explanation than an explanation. As you've said, good vs evil has been a central theme. The sense that Smokey is bad and Jacob is good has been around for a while. It's almost too simplistic for a show that has become intricately convoluted. I still think that there will be more big reveals to come, and a twist. There's always a twist.

Mecha Cow

03-25-2010, 06:36 AM

Well, I'm not sure if it's that black and white (no pun intended). The Man in Black, especially in his Locke form, can be quite sympathetic at times, and Jacob's motives and methods remain questionable. I think despite all the black/white stuff, the show emphasizes the shades of gray. I wouldn't worry about things being too simple.

Ninjinister

03-25-2010, 07:43 AM

I actually can't believe nobody's posted about this before. I kept telling myself to dig up the old topic on it but I never got around to it.

This season has had some genuinely amazing episodes. My favorites so far have been episodes 4, 7, and 9.

I like it too, but I seriously have to ask

Has there been an explanation yet, as to how Charles Widmore fits into this whole thing? In that case, I must've forgotten about it. Cos for a long time I thought this primarily was about Widmore vs. Jacob, but then the Man in Black showed up... :P

Other than the fact that he used to be the (co-)leader of The Others? I don't think he was ever stated to be anti-Jacob, just anti-Ben. It seems as if he also might be anti-MiB, but that may be just Sawyer assuming things.

Duke

03-25-2010, 07:58 AM

Other than the fact that he used to be the (co-)leader of The Others? I don't think he was ever stated to be anti-Jacob, just anti-Ben. It seems as if he also might be anti-MiB, but that may be just Sawyer assuming things.
Well since he was a co-leader of the others at one point, that would kind of mean he'd have to be anti-MiB. I mean if you're pro-Jacob (which the others clearly were at least until Jacob's death) then by default you'd be anti-MiB.

PAAATE

03-25-2010, 10:31 AM

Other than the fact that he used to be the (co-)leader of The Others? I don't think he was ever stated to be anti-Jacob, just anti-Ben. It seems as if he also might be anti-MiB, but that may be just Sawyer assuming things.

Really? Damn, I have to rewatch the whole series in the summer. It's too big to remember everything :P

Ninjinister

03-25-2010, 10:37 AM

Well since he was a co-leader of the others at one point, that would kind of mean he'd have to be anti-MiB. I mean if you're pro-Jacob (which the others clearly were at least until Jacob's death) then by default you'd be anti-MiB.

Who knows with this show, though? People switch sides like crazy, and sometimes they pretend to instead.

I swear it's like Survivor but with a plot and a big floating smoke cloud. And you know, watchable.

Raph's Girl

03-25-2010, 02:15 PM

Ninjinister

03-25-2010, 02:25 PM

Yeah I don't think the statue and Smokey are married. That's kind of... yeah.

Vivi

03-25-2010, 04:52 PM

Well if they're just gonna do the Egyptian theme and the statue is Taweret, the Hippo/Lion goddess of Fertility, then Smokey would be Apep aka Apophis (the demon god of darkness and chaos) as she (Tawaret) was his wife!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawaret
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep

^Interesting thought. It's funny that Apep is described as the demon god of darkness because that is what Jacob describes him as - 'darkness' (again with the black/white references). Smokey has also said that Jacob turned him into a disembodied form. Following the link, Apep appears to be a serpent-like god. Other people have suggested that the Island may be the garden of eden, again Smokey being the devil serpent.
I'm still not utterly convinced that Jacob is the good guy, either.

Another explanation in the Egyptology vein:
Seth and Horus battle it out on a floating island. Sound familiar? More info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFf3Xcs8qBU
http://forum.lostpedia.com/great-battle-horus-and-seth-t51871.html

So by this reasoning-
Seth = MIB/Smokey
Horus or Osiris = Jacob

Mr. Snackpants

03-25-2010, 10:01 PM

This season has been amazing. The Richard episode this Tuesday was my favorite of the entire series. I had been waiting for an episode about Richard for a while and this one gave us his entire story, along with a lot of answers about Jacob and MiB.

I love how the good vs evil theme is playing out. I find it amazing that in all of this craziness over the past 5 years, the story is as simple as that. That's the beauty of it all.

We found out why Jacob brings people to the island and it all makes perfect sense.

The four letter word that people have speculating over is revealed as "cork".

People I know are taking the statements about being in hell too seriously. They are not dead. They are not in hell. Jacob was speaking metaphorically.

I have been this psyched for Lost since season 2. I hope the next two months build of the awesomeness that was "Ab Aeterno".

Ninjinister

03-25-2010, 10:24 PM

I don't know how anything can top last Tuesday's episode, but this show keeps surprising me.

Word is, though, episode 6.15 is supposed to be centered around both Jacob AND the MiB.

ThirdMarioBro

03-25-2010, 11:10 PM

This stupid show is still on?

Roseangelo

03-26-2010, 12:07 AM

This stupid show is still on?

If you don't like it, that's fine. But this comment was really unnecessary and amounts to nothing more than trolling.

Mecha Cow

03-26-2010, 07:18 AM

This stupid show is still on?
You called Tim Burton a "god." I don't think anyone's going to take your opinion seriously after that.

Duke

03-26-2010, 09:29 AM

You called Tim Burton a "god." I don't think anyone's going to take your opinion seriously after that.Hahaha

I agree that the last episode was the best of the entire series. And I'm really excited for the inevitable back story of MiB and Jacob. I mean if MiB is to be taken at his word when he spoke with Kate, we do know that he has a "crazy" mother. I'm wondering if this plays into his and Jacob's relationship at all or if he was just making it up to manipulate Kate.

Barkworm

03-26-2010, 09:41 AM

I think the quality of the show has been in decline since season 5 but I agree that the latest epsiode was awesome.

Vivi

03-31-2010, 07:41 PM

S6 Ep 10

Jin and Sun flash sideways:

This episode seemed to drag out something (the war?) that is going to eventually happen, eventually. It was pretty dull compared to last week, but the fact that we get to see Mikhail again (Andrew Divoff: whom should get an Oscar just for existing) made up for it.

That Desmond is some kind of package that can stop the Man In Black, had me at a bit of a loss...and why they are seeking the places of magnetic energy as mapped by the Dharma group? Hm.

R-iZZy

04-01-2010, 02:44 AM

I'm amazed it took this long for someone to make a thread about this show. It's seriously the most epic show on television today! EPIC!

And I guess we now understand that Charles Widmore actually is about carrying out Jacob's bidding, which is to keep the Man in Black on the island. So does this make Widmore a good guy?

poiuytre

04-01-2010, 02:48 PM

They're really ramping up on the mythological aspect of the island and I'm loving it so far. As much as I love Lost as a character-centric show, the current direction has me on the edge of my seat. I might also add that while it took me 5 to 6 seasons, I'm finally hooked on Terry O'Quinn. His performances absolutely floored me these last two seasons.

Very eager to see who the man in black is and why he is trapped there. It remains to be seen how clear-cut evil he is supposed to be. The only fear I still have is how they might end it. The chances for a reboot are pretty high with these flash-sideways(what do we call this?), but it would be an incredibly lame to finish.

My wife also pointed out a lot of these flash-sideways episodes involve characters looking in mirrors and being upset. It's probably nothing relevant to the story, but she is definitely right that the directors made a theme out of it.

Vivi

04-01-2010, 05:31 PM

^^

I've always loved Locke, he's like a tragic anti-hero. And now...I don't know what he is, but he's certainly gripping.

Put Locke, Ben or Sawyer in an episode and I'm happy.

Ninjinister

04-01-2010, 08:51 PM

This week's episode wasn't one of those "epic" ones, but it did answer a lot of questions I had about

Sun and Jin's flash-sideways versions.

Also, it was great seeing Mikhail again, and the shot in the eye thing was a nice touch.

Interesting how (back on the island, in the standard timeline), now Sun cannot speak English, and Jin can... which is the opposite of how it was when the series began.

And finally.... DEZZIE'S BACK! HELL YES!

The bagpipes playing Amazing Grace in next week's teaser gives me the chills...

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Vivi

04-02-2010, 04:05 AM

^^
Could Desmond's secret power be playing the bagpipes??:P

Vivi

04-07-2010, 11:23 AM

Ep 11 - Des

This episode was epic, I wish the rest of the season was this good, I liked it better than Richard's episode, even. It did my head in a little and tied up some things in interesting ways, that's for sure...some of the connections to others are seriously getting incestuous. And, the guest list was outstanding:
Charlie!
Daniel Faraday!
What's not to like?

I'm adding Des Hume to characters always worth watching. This episode felt like a movie as so much happened.

Ninjinister

04-07-2010, 01:28 PM

A lot of people are calling "Happily Ever After" best of the season thus far, but I'd actually have to disagree. Yes, it was epic and kicked all sorts of ass, but I still liked Ab Aeterno more. I also felt it paled in comparison to Desmond's other amazing eps such as Flashes Before Your Eyes and The Constant. Nevertheless, this was still a very enjoyable episode and

thank GOD they're finally getting to weave the flash-sideways timeline into something relevant.

Duke

04-07-2010, 02:31 PM

Everyone keeps calling them flash-sideways but are they? Aren't they technically 3 years in the past from what's currently happening on the island?

PAAATE

04-07-2010, 02:43 PM

thank GOD they're finally getting to weave the flash-sideways timeline into something relevant.

Agreed. I was beginning to get worried that the writers were gonna **** that up royally :P

Ninjinister

04-07-2010, 02:48 PM

Everyone keeps calling them flash-sideways but are they? Aren't they technically 3 years in the past from what's currently happening on the island?

Technically, yes, but that's the official term given to them nevertheless. Don't ask why; I questioned them myself.

Ninjinister

04-14-2010, 05:15 PM

Last night's ep was decent. The Hurley stuff was standard fare for the character, other than the fact that now it looks like he's starting to play a bigger role, taking a leadership stance. Character development is always good.

The Desmond and Locke scenes are what got me excited in this one, though. On the island, MIB obviously feared Desmond's placid demeanor and felt the need to go Anna Morgan on him and toss him down a well. Meanwhile, in the other timeline, Desmond nonchalantly hits the crippled schoolteacher Locke with his car. BRUTALLY. And yet, it felt epic as hell.

All that aside, I'm really liking the some of the next episode previews this year. First was the chilling bagpipe one for "Happily Ever After". Now, we have an equally unsettling and creepy one featuring a vocal clip of Gene Wilder shouting "The Rowing Song" from Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory.

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If anyone remembers that scene from the movie, you definitely know wonderfully spooky and fitting it is.

Vivi

04-15-2010, 08:13 PM

Agreed. The Desmond and Locke scenes are what made this episode for me, as it is progressing the main story. And he Sparta kicked Des down the well, and if that doesn't have evil written all over it, what does?
That said, I liked Hurley's sideflash, and loved that he finally got to remeet Libby.

Next week's episode looks good...and that music is DAMN creepy!

Duke

05-05-2010, 07:36 AM

Most depressing episode ever.

Vivi

05-08-2010, 02:16 AM

Finally have got around to seeing this episode. "The Candidate"

omg. Jin and Sun :cry: Sayid :cry:

I don't know what the hell is going on in this show anymore. It seems to be convalescing into a big mess. I miss original Locke. Killing off main characters so haphazardly over a threat THAT IS STILL NOT FULLY EXPLAINED is not doing the show justice. Although, this episode was wayy better than the one before it.

Ninjinister

05-11-2010, 01:05 AM

Peanut

05-11-2010, 11:02 PM

I really feel like the show has gone to complete hell, and they've proven, episode after episode for the past 2 seasons, that they really have no f*cking idea what they're doing.

That being said, I have tickets to go watch the finale at the huge movie theater by my place when the time comes. As much as I disliked last season, and absolutely loathe this season, I'm looking forward to it.

Panda Khan

05-16-2010, 02:03 PM

This season hasn't been the best but I still find it enjoyable. The flash-sideways are the low point IMO...I have no idea where they are going with them, but I hope it won't be a big letdown. I felt the same way when they were jumping through time in Season 5 but after rewatching Season 5 and knowing the whole situation with Flocke, I found it really good.
Another gripe I have with the final season is all the mysteries revealed seem rushed and filler until the series finale....I mean, of course it's the final season but some of the biggest mysteries are given simple explanations that are kinda of anticlimactic...such as how the statue tumbled, what exactly the numbers are, Christian on the Island, the Island itself, The Adam and Eve corpses...just seems kinda...blah whatever...lets wrap it up quick.

ZariusTwo

05-17-2010, 01:37 AM

People NEVER like the "bilbical revelation" because it's the one everyone turns their back on in science-fiction to a point...not that they don't COMPLETLY, it's just they don't like "God did it" as an explanation.

I don't think the Island being a cork for an ancient quasi-blibcal evil is anti-climatic at all, the religious themes of the series were prevailant with Locke and Eko at the beggining.

Panda Khan

05-17-2010, 07:37 PM

I don't have a problem with the biblical explanations or the religion/philosophy intertwined into the story since that's what attracted me to the show in the first place.
The explanations just seem rushed, like someone who procrastinated until the last minute to write a 20 page essay that is due the next morning.
Like the numbers for instance, all this time the candidate numbers reappearing throughout the series...."Oh, well Jacob just had a thing for numbers." the end. Or a huge wave crashing the Black Rock into the statue...which basically killed two birds with one stone since it explained what happened to the statue and why the boat was landlocked.
I still love the show...I just hope it doesn't end up being someone's dream or something stupid like that...even though they have denied it....they also denied time travel, too.

Ninjinister

05-17-2010, 07:49 PM

Christian's appearance is the only one that bugged me, really, because it contradicts the evidence that we've seen that the explanation we got is not what was going on.

Panda Khan

05-17-2010, 10:12 PM

My take on Christian's appearance is that it was MIB the whole time. When Locke meets Christian at the wheel, he convinces him that he must die, that wheel was later explained to be built by MIB. This was MIB plan. He couldn't kill him on the Island because of Jacob's protection, however he could kill him indirectly off the island by Ben, who thought he was doing right by bringing Locke and the Oceanic Six back. I think he wanted Locke dead because taking the form of a dead candidate of Jacob's is the loophole that he needed to kill him.
MIB not being able to leave the Island would be contradicted however by Christian's appearance to Jack in LA...which personally I feel was a hallucination, much like Michael's hallucination of seeing Libby at the hospital out of guilt.
Another contradiction of not being able to leave the Island is Christian's appearance to Michael on the freighter right before the bomb explodes. I thought about that appearance but it makes sense to me that this appearance was MIB because he was waiting for the chopper carrying the Oceanic 6 to refuel and leave the boat before he let the bomb explode. With the Oceanic 6 dead, Locke would have never left the Island and MIB would not have his vessel to kill Jacob.
Christian also lead Claire off into the jungle which she confirmed this season was the same thing as Flocke. His appearance is also seen at the cabin along with what appears to be Locke's eye.
Another contradiction I thought about was Ilana mentioning that the Locke form of MIB wasn't able to take the appearance of anyone else now that he was in Locke's body. This however isn't true because after John's corpse is brought back, MIB takes the form of Alexis in the temple wall, and also Christian at the barracks to Sun and Frank. Unless Ilana meant that once Jacob is dead, MIB is stuck in Locke form.

Ninjinister

05-17-2010, 10:14 PM

Might wanna throw spoiler tags 'round that. Some people might not have seen Across the Sea yet.

Panda Khan

05-18-2010, 09:13 PM

Barkworm

05-23-2010, 02:10 PM

In anticipation of the final episode I re-watched all episodes in the last two weeks. It certainly was a fantastic show. Sure, there were a couple of plot holes here and there but having seen all the episodes in such a short time span, I was pleasantly surprised of how well most of the plot pieces fell into place.

All in all it was a very cleverly written show with interesting ways of storytelling and excellent acting. I'll even go as far as to say that this is my favourite (non-comedy) TV-show of all time.

Ninjinister

05-23-2010, 04:13 PM

Very good episode I thought. not sure who let Desmond out of the well...any ideas? Claire perhaps? I've always hated the episode right before the season finale because it's used to set the last episode up but I wasn't disappointed this time, IDK maybe because I know it's less than a week before the finale.

Well, I saw a 7 minute scene on Youtube (which was removed like an hour after I saw it) that was shown at some celebration event.

Whilst puzzling over who could have gotten Desmond out of the well, The Man in Black looks at a clue on the ground. It's a paw print. He then says something to the effect of "It looks like there's been a dog here..."

Now if you remember who was in "the dog"'s company last, it all fits together.

Machias Banshee

05-23-2010, 10:32 PM

What the...

They were all DEAD the whole TIME?! This entire series has been them trying to find 'the light'?! This makes no Sense!! ARGH!!!

愛

05-23-2010, 10:42 PM

I was very impressed by the way they ended this show, but the last few minutes of the finale kind of ruined the whole thing for me. It's a sort of open-ended interpretation, and I hate that kind of storytelling. I'm watching a show so I can be given the facts. If I wanted to make up my own interpretation, I'd go write my own damn story.
But to sum up my opinion of Lost, I think it's easily one of the greatest shows of our time.

Ninjinister

05-24-2010, 01:59 AM

I really loved the finale. I know it's going to piss a lot of people off, but it suited my needs for the finale just fine.

I also think it's very, very fitting that

The last two characters we see were also the first two.

Raph's Girl

05-24-2010, 03:19 AM

What the...

They were all DEAD the whole TIME?! This entire series has been them trying to find 'the light'?! This makes no Sense!! ARGH!!!

No. They weren't dead the entire time. They really were on the island. The sideways stuff is them being dead. Jack's dad said they died over a period of different years. And remember Hurley told Linus "You were a great number 2.." indicating that Hurley DID spend time as the guardian with Linus as his 2nd in command.

poiuytre

05-24-2010, 06:31 AM

I really liked it, but I didn't see Richard anywhere in that final segment. I thought the hair meant he started aging again. Either he's still alive or he wasn't invited.

I found the flash-sideways bits very corny this season, but looking back to it with the twist, I suppose it's acceptable.

One of the greatest shows of our time and I'll miss it.

Roseangelo

05-24-2010, 06:57 AM

I really liked it, but I didn't see Richard anywhere in that final segment. I thought the hair meant he started aging again. Either he's still alive or he wasn't invited.

Richard was never really part of "the group," and individually did not factor so much into Jack's life. I also expect this is why Ben didn't go inside the church. He was close enough to the group, and Jack, to sit outside, but he never really felt like he belonged. We also see Charlotte and Faraday backstage at the concert, but not at the church. And Miles is also not at the church.

I totally and completely loved it, and I don't feel cheated at all, having invested in this show for six years.

I also have a feeling of complete understanding of the ending, thanks to how closely it mirrored the ending of Ashes to Ashes, which aired just two nights previous to this. (I would totally recommend watching both Life on Mars (UK version! US version is complete rubbish) and Ashes to Ashes for anyone who hasn't seen those series.)

PAAATE

05-24-2010, 09:46 AM

I loved the ending and the series. But I think the final battle between Flocke and Jack could have been a little cooler. Flocke was maybe just a little too easily gotten rid of. But that's just nitpicking.

I also wanna thank whoever decided to stream the show live, so I could spend the whole night watching it. That person must be my hero of the week x) Though it was kinda hard to stay up until 5.30 a.m. Way too long since I did that.

Duke

05-24-2010, 09:51 AM

Richard was never really part of "the group," and individually did not factor so much into Jack's life. I also expect this is why Ben didn't go inside the church. He was close enough to the group, and Jack, to sit outside, but he never really felt like he belonged. We also see Charlotte and Faraday backstage at the concert, but not at the church. And Miles is also not at the church.
Actually I think the reason Richard wasn't there was because you need to be with the people who were most significant in your life to "move on." The Losties weren't those people for Ricardo, his wife was. The same thing with Ben. Ben was still waiting on Alex. That's who he needed to move on with and why he wouldn't enter the church.I absolutely loved the finale.

Panda Khan

05-24-2010, 10:27 AM

The more I chew on the finale the more I like it...about Ben:

Could the people not ready to move on, like Ben actually be trapped as the whispers on the island? Remember Michael said he was stuck there on the island as a ghost, I'm assuming because of him murdering in cold blood, however he still redeems himself by saving the Oceanic 6 from the freighter destruction but he clearly tells Hurley that he is still stuck.
Ben has murdered more people both directly and indirectly and for him to pass on to the church wouldn't be right even though he redeemed himself on the island in the end. However since he was responsible for Locke's death, he goes ahead and asks for his forgiveness which I believe is needed for him to make it one step closer to the other side and not be trapped on the island. He is indirectly responsible for Alex's and Danielle's deaths...since his awakening by Desmond at the school, he now knows he must now make things right with the people he did wrong and then his spirit or whatever can leave the island, while in the alternate reality he can go inside the church.

MrPliggins

05-24-2010, 09:15 PM

I loved the finale and I think it was a very fitting end. It made sense too. I was still guessing what the ending would be ten minutes before it was over.

One of the things in the series I didn't like was Sayid and Shannon's relationship in season 1. I thought it felt very forced. But them getting together in the final episode made it seem better somehow. It was great to see everyone come full circle and meet up with their lost loves in the afterlife.

One scene that seemed kinda forced was Kate and Jack's "I love you" scene. In the first few seasons, there was chemistry between the two, but doesn't it seem like that chemisty has been gone for a couple of seasons now?

Peanut

05-24-2010, 10:45 PM

Disliked it. I didn't expect to like it, hating the last two seasons as I have, but it just felt so corny. So many of the things that made me interested in Lost were quickly shoved under the rug with throwaway answers that had zero impact over this season, and nothing about the ending made me feel like very much mattered in the end.

The flash sideways stuff being some kind of stupid post-death pre-afterlife thing was stupid. What was the purpose of the majority of it if it ends up having no impact aside from everyone remembering their island experiences? Jack's non-existent son? POINT? Why the hell wouldn't they just remember all of their experiences after they die? Is it supposed to be like ghosts refusing to believe they're dead and sticking around? I honestly felt like it was just a bunch of fan-service horsesh*t. "Oh, everything is fine! Look at all of these things working out perfectly for everyone!" and then, of course, the rug is pulled out and none of it is actually happening, and none of it actual matters, so who really gives a sh*t? Everyone is dead. Done.

I dunno. For all the yammering the writers did about the fact that they wouldn't pull an "everyone is dead" ending, they sure seemed to do just that.

I really did like it ending with Jack sprawled in the bamboo, though. As cliche as it is to end on an opening, especially an opening that's been used so many times over the course of the show, it was terribly fitting.

Barkworm

05-25-2010, 08:22 AM

It was fantastic. I'm really happy they ended the show this way.

What an awesome show. I'll miss it.

poiuytre

05-25-2010, 09:32 AM

Jack's non-existent son? POINT?
David served to make Jack understand what it is like to be a parent with a demanding career. In spite of his best intentions his son grew estranged, much like the history between Christian and Jack. His relationship with Christian was a big part of Jack's backstory so I think it was a good way to develop the character coming to terms with it.

ZariusTwo

05-25-2010, 09:46 AM

I never watched the show much myself, but I think some are realzing that LOST wasnt about escapism, it was about soul-searching not just for the characters, but for psychological aspects of it's audience...in that respect, yes, it WAS "fan service" because it was the fans that understood the show the MOST. Everyone else likely went into it with a "24" action motif and are thus dissapointed they didnt get their grimdark ending where the island assplodes, but instead we're left with a completly wide-open ending for a new season, providing inspiration for fanfiction.

..I kid, I kid...I loved that Jack's death timed in perfectly well with his ascension with the others, from a logical standpoint, you could argue the alternate Universe was just a result of him daydreaming as he died and realizing his mission had been accomplished, so it still works that way for a "realist"

I dunno. For all the yammering the writers did about the fact that they wouldn't pull an "everyone is dead" ending, they sure seemed to do just that.

Nobody ever truly "dies", there's life after death, that WAS after all the whole point of the gathering, ready to explore the rim beyond our conventional understandings...

Barkworm

05-25-2010, 10:03 AM

It's funny to see Zarius defending the show, I remember him being the most vocal hater on these boards.

ZariusTwo

05-25-2010, 02:36 PM

As it continued, it sort of matched up with my spiritual/Zionist side.

Duke

05-25-2010, 02:55 PM

David served to make Jack understand what it is like to be a parent with a demanding career. In spite of his best intentions his son grew estranged, much like the history between Christian and Jack. His relationship with Christian was a big part of Jack's backstory so I think it was a good way to develop the character coming to terms with it.Exactly
It actually did that for most of the characters. Jin and Sun running away together and not allowing her fathers influence to hamper their relationship. Sayid finally learning to let go of Nadia. Hurley using his money for good instead of being "cursed." Locke having a relationship with his father. Sawyer becoming a cop because deep down he always hated the con he grew into. Ben starting to develop a healthy relationship with Alex. And so on.

I think the flash-sideways were about the characters letting go of their personal baggage so they'd finally be ready to "move on" with their afterlives.

Peanut

05-25-2010, 03:46 PM

Exactly
It actually did that for most of the characters. Jin and Sun running away together and not allowing her fathers influence to hamper their relationship. Sayid finally learning to let go of Nadia. Hurley using his money for good instead of being "cursed." Locke having a relationship with his father. Sawyer becoming a cop because deep down he always hated the con he grew into. Ben starting to develop a healthy relationship with Alex. And so on.

I think the flash-sideways were about the characters letting go of their personal baggage so they'd finally be ready to "move on" with their afterlives.

But wasn't the Island supposed to be about everyone letting go of their personal baggage? Everyone getting a "second chance" and all of that? That fact seems to make the flash-sideways seem even more pointless if that's why it existed.

Mr. Snackpants

05-25-2010, 11:01 PM

Overall I really enjoyed the finale. I enjoyed it much more after the second veiwing tonight.

Just some thoughts:

I actually really liked how the flash-sideways/limbo land/purgatory/afterlife turned out. After they died they all went to this afterlife and carried with them all these earthly issues with them, i.e. Jack/father issues, Sawyer/justice, ect. They couldn't "let go" of these problems even after they had died and apparently in order to go to heaven/next phase of the afterlife they had to let go.

With Desmond's assistance they were reminded of their life on the island. Christian told Jack that their time on the island was the most important times of their lives. It was important because of what they learned, the friends they made, the obstacles they had to overcome, and the journey. When they "became aware" they realized what they had waiting for them once they let go. They could let go of the these issues they carried with them and rejoin their friends and loved ones.

It was a feel good ending and normally I hate those but after six years with these characters it was nice to see them all find closure, let go, and move on. Also the final slo-mo sequence accompanied by the music(which has always been top notch) was simply amazing. I loved how they book ended the series with Jack dying in the bamboo field next to Vincent and the final shot being Jack's eye closing.

That being said about the afterlife stuff, I felt the on island story left something to be desired. Most particularly the showdown between Jack and MIB, which I felt should have been more epic and definitely not end with Kate popping MIB with a gun, followed by a cheesy one liner.

The light source being a pool with a stone drain plug was also seemed a little silly, but I don't know what I was expecting and in the end it really doesn't matter to me so much because...

All the unanswered questions, do they really matter? The ending was satisfying. Since day one I would say the emphasis of the show was character. The island, The Others, Jacob/MIB, and the Dharma Initiative were all part of the challenging journey of our Losties. They provided great mystery and speculation amongst fans but in the end clarifying each and every thing was not essential(or possible) in providing the ending they wanted to.

I'm pretty bummed it's over. I'll eagerly be awaiting the complete series box set on Blu Ray in August. I'm ready to watch this thing again from beginning to end, knowing how it all plays out. That's why Lost is one of my favorite shows because it has an insane amount of rewatchability.

Duke

05-26-2010, 01:17 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lost-possibly-still-airing-in-parallel-dimension-d,17485/

poiuytre

05-26-2010, 07:04 PM

The only thing I felt was missing was MIB's name. They went through such awkward lengths to avoid saying it, I was sure it was going to revealed in the finale. It feels wrong that he stopped being faceless in the flashbacks, yet remained nameless.

Roseangelo

05-26-2010, 07:20 PM

Vivi

05-31-2010, 09:26 AM

Have finally gotten the nerve to write about this.

This finale was...inexplicable. Although tending well to the pseudo spiritualism angle, I think lots of things were left pretty much unexplained. Like why?
I get the ending, but it really only serves to explain that Jack died protecting the island.
Why the Egyptian references?
Why did MIB turn into Smokey after seeing the light and not Des or Jack?
Why did they bother going back to the island when all their return did was give MIB a chance to escape?
Okay, there are a million whys, anyone care to have a shot?

That said, the ending was kind of poignant. Bittersweet.

Ninjinister

05-31-2010, 09:30 AM

My guess is one reason being, is that they felt they could not settle it in a way that would please the fans. Most of the mysteries that were resolved, especially those in this season (the Whispers, Christian's appearances, Across the Sea in its entirety), were met with such massive fan rage as it is (Christian was the only one of these that bugged me personally). Some fans feel that their own theories would be better than anything that the writers could come up with, and sometimes, even when a fan theory is confirmed, it's still met with a wave of hate.