Killing and Violence In TMNT

[U2WaTCHer]

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away!

[Caliosidhe]

*poke* Go read the original Mirage series ^^

[Karpo_007]

Yes, the original TMNT was not made for children. So if if you are intrested in mature TMNT you should get into it.

[Shellfox]

If your asking for violence on TV forget it, while fox might have given us some death in the past with X-Men (its been a while so I can't rember how the deaths were done, I know at least the deaths with the Leagacy virus). But as for death on the current show, it won't happen, its the censors, people have gotten to the point where nothing really cool can be shown on a network show. If it were cable then the possibility of death would increase and as much as death would increase the show, as long as Fox has control it won't happen. Hell be glad Mick kept his weapon and isn't down to using a yo-yo or some thing

[Karpo_007]

The new show has death, but it all happens off screen. It's true that thats all we are going to get for Saturday morning show, but it's still good. You have to remember that Mirage does not have very graphical deaths either.

[Shellfox]

Funny from what I've seen of the new show there dosn't appear to be any death, the one possible was the purple drangon leader in the first ep, and we've seen him, or at least his chacter design sence (I think hes in the preveiw of the up coming ep).

[Karpo_007]

I never watch the previews, can someone else confirm that the guy isn't dead? Anyway, we were let to believe it for 7 episodes. Also there were the foot tech who went down the drain, and the 2 weirdlooking fot scientists.

The most clear death scene will be shown in episode 10, but it will propably happen off screen or in shadows.

[Kali]

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

[CookSux]

You know... I never really thought the Mirage series was really "adult" oriented. Just because there's 'killing' in it doesn't really make it more adult IMO. I think it was geared towards teens actually.

[Karpo_007]

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?

We came to that conclusion in of these threads due the fact that Not one of the told Shredder that they encountered the TMNT in sewress. But that is one of the un clear ones, Still it's odd that if it would have finished Casey, why not the foot. How about the preview? Is the PD gang leader really shown in it?


About Mirage, it is made for young adults. Comics like Spider-man are made for teens. They hace death, utwriting is pretty superficial. In Mirage the plots and character interaction is much more mature.

[Duke]

I never watch the previews, can someone else confirm that the guy isn't dead? Anyway, we were let to believe it for 7 episodes. Also there were the foot tech who went down the drain, and the 2 weirdlooking fot scientists.

The most clear death scene will be shown in episode 10, but it will propably happen off screen or in shadows.

Well i just watched the preview and that purple dragon guy isn't in it.

[Karpo_007]

So we have atleast one clear death thus far. About Baxter being dragged away, once someone here said that Baxter will turn into a fly in the series. I had to look word Baxter in the spoilers to prove him wrong



It said that he will be in Return to New york arc in Transformed form.



Thats why I doubt he is really dead this time either. So everything else but the PD leader is arguable, but we all know what happens in the origin story. It's a diffrent thing how they are going to animate it.

[Barkworm]

What about Casey's dad? In the flashback we just saw Hun coming out of the burning shop and saying: "Tell your dad to pay next time or else..." then the flashback ended and Casey was crying. So Jones senior could be dead.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, it's suggested. But it isn't there even off screen. Because hun said "next time" one has to believe he survived the fire.

[Shellfox]

I think the above scene is more in appliance to a protection racet, I think the basis was more the Purple dragons distroyed the store as a warning to caseys dad to pay up not kill him. The the threat impilys death, but nothing says it happened, his dad may have paid up. I think the cring was more in responce to seeing his famliys busness burning the the possiblities of what may happen to him when they were done, and when the scene was over the tears were of rage

[Sparvid]

Actually, I don't think any of the Foot Tech Ninjas died. I'd have to count, but after the whirlpool fight, there were several standing in the throne room with Saki, Baxter, and Hun. They dragged Baxter away, remember?*watches episode again*

Let's see here... When we see the Tech Ninjas through the googles, there appears to be 8 of them. After Casey is hanged over the water, there is only 5 left surrounding the Turtles. Then the one who held Casey drops into the whirlpool. Then we see a shot showing the five Tech Ninjas left standing plus two unconscious ones, and the five falls into the whirlpool. But now there is three unconscious Ninjas!

And in the final scene six of them shows up for Saki. So, I guess they could've survived the whirlpool... (Darn, why couldn't they have just three at the end, so we could have presumed the whirlpool-ones dead... :P)

[U2WaTCHer]

thou if u remember when casey was down in the last ep it was sorta cool how they had there weapens up in a gang way to be all certain hes dead or say kill him or what ever u know what i mean made u want to think uh oh we of cource know he would survive but u know what I mean

[Karpo_007]

I think the above scene is more in appliance to a protection racet, I think the basis was more the Purple dragons distroyed the store as a warning to caseys dad to pay up not kill him. The the threat impilys death, but nothing says it happened, his dad may have paid up. I think the cring was more in responce to seeing his famliys busness burning the the possiblities of what may happen to him when they were done, and when the scene was over the tears were of rage

Casey had tears in his eyes when he finished the story, he looked sad. They were no tears of rage. But like I said earlier, it's just a hint, not even off screen one like the PD leader.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away!

I am going to speak my piece, and then leave this thread be.

Why is it that so many people around here just have to have killing and slaughtering in order for a cartoon show to be cool? How many times have I heard people say, "Well, those fights better be realistic!" or "They better fight with their weapons!" or "I want to see heads rolling because I want to see some realistic fights with their weapons!"

I, for one, am very content with there being no killing in the Ninja Turtles cartoon (I'm referring to the old one). This is why I don't read the comics, or prefer the movies. Too much violence.

In a time of war, when soldiers and innocent people alike are dying, to start a thread such as this one is stupid.

That's right. It's stupid. Go chew on that for a while.

"Yo, bro! Peace, dude!" - Michaelangelo, from "Attack of Big MACC"

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

One of the reasons I don't like threads like this is because I have friends who are fighting in this stupid war. They got dragged out of college to go engage in some hissy fit they have nothing to do with.

I may never see those people again. I may never get to laugh or cry with them. They're out there fighting to protect our freedom.

And then I come on the boards and read stuff like, "Shucky darn dag nabbit, I sure wish there was more violence in the Ninja Turtles!"

God, I hate that. God, I hate war. God, I need to get off here and relax.

Peace.

[Karpo_007]

Are you a pacifist of some sort? Don't you like movies like "Terminator" or "The Matrix" because they are violent? TMNT=Teenage Mutant NINJA turtles. Original TMNT is realistic, the TMNT don't go out murdering people, but they do fight with their enemies. They don't go look for trouble, they hide from humans, but still tend to get involved in things.

Thats what TMNT originally were, and is what it's supposed to be. Of course the old cartoon couldn't have shown anything like this, it was originally produced by Toy company and Targeted at kids. The new show, while doesn't have any real violence shown on screen, manages to produce the feeling of Original TMNT quite well.

Of course to each his own, some people like the realistic, sometimes violent deeply plotted TMNT, and others light hearted childrens' cartoon with slapstcik humour. We both have clearly said wich we prefer.

[Reznorite420]

Karpo: His goal is to be a children's book author or something like that :roll:

Anyway, here's what I think should happen: keep the current cartoon on the air as it is, but some time in the future start a TMNT series geared more towards the older auidience, even CLOSER to the Mirage universe than this current cartoon is. To get a general idea of how this more mature series should be, watch the CGI pilot :D

[Duke]

To get a general idea of how this more mature series should be, watch the CGI pilot :D
Man i love that pilot

[Raven]

I love the pilots
but it takes me to long to download for me so I have only
been able to download shortclip one
I cant wait to download the others

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Are you a pacifist of some sort? Don't you like movies like "Terminator" or "The Matrix" because they are violent?

I do not think violence is the means to solve a problem, if that's what you're getting at. I'm a Christian, and I believe disputes can be solved by talking them out and acting rationally.

I heard a saying once that goes something along the lines of, "The man who resorts to using his fists is a man who's run out of good ideas."

I didn't like "The Matrix" because I thought it was a stupid movie. You'd be surprised by how many people don't like that movie. Just because they made two sequels for it doesn't make it any good.

The reason I don't like violence in Ninja Turtles is because I just don't associate the two together. For me, that would be like putting peanut-butter and fish eggs together; they don't mix, at least not in my world.

I grew up with the old cartoon. Call it slapstick humor, call it goofy, call it whatever you want. But it was okay to watch; it was safe. I open up a Mirage comic book, and it's like I've stepped into an alien world. It's hardly recognizeable.

You can't watch a cartoon nowadays for five seconds without one of the characters trying to kill somebody.

"Why fight when you can eat?" - Michaelangelo, from "Leatherhead Meets the Rat King"

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

Karpo: His goal is to be a children's book author or something like that :roll:

And what exactly do you mean by that comment?

"I don't like this." - Irma, from "Combat Land"

[Shellfox]

He does have a point, I may not agree with everything he says, but he has a point, and some more humor in the show wouldn't hurt as long as it was used right (maybe Jackie Chan style combat comidy)

[XWorstSNEverX]

I don't think there would be anything wrong with this new cartoon being more voilent. Kids today really are more used to this stuff. Kids know that they are fake and won't go trying to kill anyone or anything. They will play around and horse play yes but if you take off every show that has kids horse play like that you would'nt have many shows on T.V. anymore. For example kids see football on T.V. then they get thier friends to go play football in their backyard or something. One gets hurt because of what he saw on T.V. but is there something wrong with football? No. Would there be something wrong with more voilence on the new show? No. Well to a certain extent. I don't think they should show a bunch of blood or anything but maybe somethine like what Leo did to shredder on the first movie where he cut him. I see nothing wrong with stuff like that. They don't need to go all out and start cutting peoples heads off or anything. I am totally fine with the way they are doing this new show. Some great work done here. I am not sure if I would like it better if it was on Adult Swim or something like that. One thing I would like to do one day is get into the first series of comics. I just need to stop being lay and get one issue. I am sure I would be hooked after that.

[R-iZZy]

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler I mean I know some of us are all grown up and want to see more of that but I just wish that we could have seen some sort of killing sorta like they did in the old xman shows which is sorta a light example also why couldnt they capture shredder and krang and always get away grrr I hated that and mabie blow the drome up or someting u know to get u like man this is cool as sh.t! I know if there caputred and stuff would ened the show but they could let them go once in a while but u know what I mean I know they caught them a few mild times but not like really have them haulded away!:nod: Oh yeah... that's what the Mirage Comic Book series was for... :D

[Karpo_007]

More violence in the new cartoon wouldn't work, atleast no on TV. The rules are pretty strick I think, and if it's too violent it will need to be edited or it won't air.


And growing up with the old cartoon does not mean the those people would prefer it. I was extremely heppy when I found out that the TMNT were not originally children's thing. As Im older, I enjoy the deeply plotted Mirage series much more than te old cartoon. But of course, this all depends on the person.

[Sparvid]

First, I don't see any reason to bring in the war in this discussion.

Second, I'm happy with the amount of violence in the new show. They fight, they can really cut loose sometimes (like, against Mousers). What I want to see is implied things, like for example the PD leader in the first episode. Everyone can have their own idea of what happened to him.

This is why I don't read the comics, or prefer the movies. Too much violence.There was violence in the sequels? ;)

[Shellfox]

I'd like to say one thing to all the people who want more violence.

While most people/kids may smart, watch one hurt his friend imitating the TMNT because they saw it on TV and there will be hell to pay. Thats why we only see them distroying machines, if we see people getting stabed or bleed then it becomes imatatable, and some kid may do it and not realise the full extent of his.her actions. And when the parents find out they will raise hell aginst the TMNT and the odds of it being removed or retooled to a younger audiance increase.

Lets face it we've all seen the reports on Kids and backyard wrestling, and having them cut each other broken light blubs, the only reason they get off is it is pointed at an adult level audiance/time slot. The TMNT is on at a time slot geared at kids, thus the people in charge of it have to do everything in there power to guard aginst acts that could be replictaed and have life threatening probable results.

You may want to denie what I've seen but we've all seen at least one story about a kid thats broken /tried to kill/injured some one or them self by accendent imatating something they saw.

The level we're at is probly as good as we'll ever get as long as it remains on Fox

[Karpo_007]

You got a point, the TMNT probably shouldn't be a show on kids block. The new show does make compromises and manages to get the feel of Original TMNT pretty good. It even has off screen death. I think the violence level is fine in it, and probably the maximum that can be on a kids' time slot.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

First, I don't see any reason to bring in the war in this discussion.

There was violence in the sequels? ;)

I do see the reason to bring war to this discussion. I just think it's inappropriate to be saying things like, "I sure wish there was more killing in the Ninja Turtles!" when there's a real war going on, with real people getting injured or killed.

As far as violence in the sequels, having Vanilla Ice in the second movie was violent enough for me. I know people who break out in uncontrollable jerks and spasms when he comes on the screen, and we have to hold those people down with fluffy pillows. :P

Now I haven't said anything about the new cartoon. I have not been able to watch it, since we don't get FOX BOX where I go to school, and we don't get that station in my hometown. So I'm just going to have to take peoples' words that this show has a moderate amount of violence.

I don't mind the Turtles destroying a bunch of Foot Soldiers (even though, I know, they're real people in this cartoon) or Mousers. I just don't like the idea of Raphael stabbing a real person with his sai or Leonardo slicing a real person's arm off.

Thankfully, it hasn't come to that yet.

"It's way past time for my midnight snack break." - Bebop, from "Night of the Dark Turtle"

[Reznorite420]

I do not think violence is the means to solve a problem, if that's what you're getting at. I'm a Christian, and I believe disputes can be solved by talking them out and acting rationally.President Bush is Christian too. You wanna tell that to him?

[Reznorite420]

Karpo: His goal is to be a children's book author or something like that :roll:

And what exactly do you mean by that comment?

"I don't like this." - Irma, from "Combat Land"Well, I'm pretty sure that children's book authors are the calm type in the way that you describe yourself.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I do not think violence is the means to solve a problem, if that's what you're getting at. I'm a Christian, and I believe disputes can be solved by talking them out and acting rationally.President Bush is Christian too. You wanna tell that to him?

I know, I know. A lot of people don't exactly agree with his decision. But then, a lot of people think we should have finished the job 13 years ago when we had the chance.

There are too many what ifs.

But trying to put things into perspective, no matter what President Bush does, he's not going to please everyone. If he doesn't declare war, people will be upset. If he does declare war, people will be upset.

If people would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have this problem. But I don't ever see world peace happening. We don't have it in us.

"Peace? Who wants peace?" - Burne Thompson, from "Plan 6 from Outer Space"

[Sparvid]

I do see the reason to bring war to this discussion. I just think it's inappropriate to be saying things like, "I sure wish there was more killing in the Ninja Turtles!" when there's a real war going on, with real people getting injured or killed.Yes, but it's not like there is only one war going on right now in the whole world, so you could use that argument in every discussion like this anytime...

I don't mind the Turtles destroying a bunch of Foot Soldiers (even though, I know, they're real people in this cartoon) or Mousers. I just don't like the idea of Raphael stabbing a real person with his sai or Leonardo slicing a real person's arm off.

Thankfully, it hasn't come to that yet.Let me clarify a thing, I don't want to see any cuts or blood like something in a adult anime movie, that will make the viewer go "Ewwww". A good example on what I like is in the latest episode, when you can see Mikey (through his goggles) hit the Ninjas with his nunchucks so they fall of screen, without any blood.


BTW, at which time of the day did Batman originally air, and what did parents think of its use of realistic weapons?

[U2WaTCHer]

I just wanted everyone to know and make clear I didnt make this topic to make it bad toward the war or say hey lets kill its just I find i'm being I dont know how to say it but like to see a little change something to be like more action in the show the last shows violence towards casey with beating him up was sorta cool I mean violence as action not as a sence to say hey I dont want everyone to think killing its good, ninja turtles is a fantasy adventure show which has good stories as well as some bad ones but all in all I hope this clears it up i'm just a action guy and over the years of watching the turtles I get tired of seeing the same old like a mabie a lil surprise you know? its not like they could really kill someone but fake you out or something you know? I dont know its what ever u guys feel is your opinion but thanks for all the replys and interest :roll:

[Duke]

There would be absolutely no problem with more violence in the new show. Not that it doesn't have alot more than the original cartoon but they could still get away w/ more. At first i was like man maybe they were pushing the limits the way it is now. I mean it is a kids tv line up but then after last week i discided that they could have the violence of the chain and nobody would complain. Why u ask. I'll tell you why, because when they chose to interrupt the foxbox line up with war coverage. Thats why. I mean you would have to make a cartoon extremely violent to come close to some of the violence they show during the war coverage.

IF TMNT = foxbox line up
and foxbox line up = war coverage
and war coverage = violence
Then TMNT = Violence

[Jephael]

I grew up with the old cartoon. Call it slapstick humor, call it goofy, call it whatever you want. But it was okay to watch; it was safe. I open up a Mirage comic book, and it's like I've stepped into an alien world. It's hardly recognizeable.

You're not alone, dude. I'm still very partial to the original cartoon show as is Mondo Gecko. I also like the new show for what it is, and I love the paralells between both.

[Duke]

I grew up with the old cartoon. Call it slapstick humor, call it goofy, call it whatever you want. But it was okay to watch; it was safe. I open up a Mirage comic book, and it's like I've stepped into an alien world. It's hardly recognizeable.

You're not alone, dude. I'm still very partial to the original cartoon show as is Mondo Gecko. I also like the new show for what it is, and I love the paralells between both.

I will always love the old show more than the new one but that doesn't mean i don't want alot of violence in a new tmnt projects.

[Karpo_007]

There would be absolutely no problem with more violence in the new show. Not that it doesn't have alot more than the original cartoon but they could still get away w/ more. At first i was like man maybe they were pushing the limits the way it is now. I mean it is a kids tv line up but then after last week i discided that they could have the violence of the chain and nobody would complain. Why u ask. I'll tell you why, because when they chose to interrupt the foxbox line up with war coverage. Thats why. I mean you would have to make a cartoon extremely violent to come close to some of the violence they show during the war coverage.

IF TMNT = foxbox line up
and foxbox line up = war coverage
and war coverage = violence
Then TMNT = Violence

There are ceryain rules to waht can be aired at what time. On that slot, they couldn't add more violence. Anyway, I don't think the show really needs it, It's fine as it is.

[Duke]

Yeah that may be true but you didn't see the violent war coverage they showed during the time slot for the repeat of episode 6.

[Karpo_007]

That seems to be the thing with TV. They can show war and other violent things that really happen, but they can't do the same with the cartoons. I still think it's stupid to show war report instead of cartoons...

[Shellfox]

They show war updates during the Fox Box line up because the people in charge believe that perents watch these shows with their kids (mine never did on sat.), thus they see inturuping the line up as a duty to inform the pernets of a change in the war, despite the fact that you can see the same coverage on several other network channels or cable.

[Jason]

Well I've only seen the first few seasons of original cartoon and The Next mutation both of which relatively tame and I can't really comment on the latest show but their was an almost identical debate to this on a Power Rangers board I visit.....

Basically the people were saying that the show would be better if they killed people since it would make it more realistic.
Back in MMPR no one was hurt too much and Saban stuck so much camp comedy into it that it was difficult to take seriously. A lot of the old school fans liked this setup.

In Power Ranger Lost Galaxy - Time Force they made the series more bloody (i.e the rangers are bruised and bleed when attacked). Did this make any real 'improvement' to the show ? NO.

In last years series Power Rangers Wild Force they went all the way and had a plot where the red rangers parent were shown to be killed by the main villain.
There was a huge debate at to whether or not they would come back to life somehow.
The pro killing fans argued that by staying dead it would make the show more mature and realistic, the rest of the fans (including myself) argued that it was a fantasy show and that you don't "need" killing to make a better show.
Even on shows like Buffy, Star Trek, Xena etc. characters have been killed only to reappear later on. It doesn't make the show worse or childish for doing that, if anything it improves the plotline.

Anyway at the end of the series the Red Rangers parent stayed dead and some pro killing fans were glad that Disney made the show more mature. However most fans found the final episodes to be a huge disappointment. In no way did the killing make the show 'better'.

Ninja Turtles was a fun show to watch when I was a kid and that's what I loved about it. If Shredder went round stabbing people some older fans might think it was cool but it wouldn't really add anything to the show. You can still make a show mature without the need for constant killing. If a character in Ninja Turtles was killed off and it was of major significance to the plot then it might work but constant bloody violence for the sake of it ? - No thanks.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I agree, that violence is only good if important to the plot. I think they should keep the current new show "pure" for the kids and release a darker word-for-word-mirage (all red masks baby! :evilgrin: ) Animated video series to be sold at comic shops. Since most comic shops sell anime movies (like Akira) and other mature animated movies (like Heavy Metal) it would be a great place for a TMNT Original Video series!

Oh and cartoon fan, I agree that this war is stupid (He's just attacking Iraq for the oil wells), but don't take it out on us. You can express a dislike for violence without putting us down.

But I understand you're stressed out because you're worried about you're friends, and it's good to worry about them. I know what it's like to worry about someone and, I wish more people cared more about those close to them the way you do.
A kind heart is a great strength
Disrespect for the opinions of others is a great weekness
You certainly have the first one :) , just ditch the second one. OK, man?
Sorry for the lecture BTW :embarass:
Here's an idea, start a topic in Gen Dis for those worried about their friends in the war.

[Karpo_007]

Thast exampl isn't good. The TMNT was originally a mature comic book. If ninjas attack you with blade weapons, there isn't really any other way. Altough the cartoons always found a way around that.

But the TMNT are not killing foot in the cartoon, It seems thast Only character that has is Shredder. Of course we don't know what will happen to him...

[beaker]

did u guys ever wish mabie sometimes or something there would be more violence or something in tmnt to sorta make it cooler

How does that make it 'cooler'? Did ya see todays TMNT? Casey wacking a guy on the skull with a bat isnt violent enough?

If ya want a more harder edge look to the upcoming Dreamwave comic.

However, those who want to stand behind a sterile 'safe and clean' goofy ass TMNT can...I think the new show is a great balance myself.

Why does it have to be all out ultra violence or goofy crap?
Balance people, balance!

[Karpo_007]

You really think the dreamwave will be that violent? I hope it would even go to same realism as Mirage, But I fear it will be just a second archie series. And because they say it's heavily based on the cartoon, this seems more than likely.

Now if you want to see violent and realistic TMNT, read Mirage. In issue 55, [I read last night] We can see fight betwen Raphael and Elite foot ending Raph impaling the guy with his sai. I really doubt we will be seeing violence like this in the dreameave, of course I have heard it's not present in current Mirage either.

[Shellfox]

Well considering we see organic creatures (both human and alien) die at the hands of the TFs in the DW comics the odds are good that the TMNT will kill, how much is a diffrent question

[Karpo_007]

Does that happen in the Armada book? Thats the closest we can compare it with, as they are both based on a cartoon show.

[Peanut]

I just personally think anything involving the Ninja Turtles (with the exception of TNM) is just great. Old cartoon. New cartoon. Movies. Comics, Archie and Mirage. I love it all. BTW U2WaTCHer could you PLEASE attempt to use some sort of punctuation or at least proper spelling of simple words. Your posts give me a headache.

[Karpo_007]

Yes, the TMNT is a franchise with a lot of potential. The TNM is the only Bad TMNT thing I know of. Or maybe COOTS and the christmas specials fall in to smae cathegory.

I have no doubt that the dreamwave comic will be good, but I isn't going to be Mirage. But then again, I have heard that the new Mirage does not live up to the old one either.

[That Matt Guy]

Yes, the TMNT is a franchise with a lot of potential. The TNM is the only Bad TMNT thing I know of. Or maybe COOTS and the christmas specials fall in to smae cathegory.

How can you say that about COOTS? It's a classic! :lol:

[Shellfox]

Does that happen in the Armada book? Thats the closest we can compare it with, as they are both based on a cartoon show.
G1 is a cartoon to Karpo, even if the exact TF universe is in question, but it happens in both G1 and Armada, we see G1 megs reach out and kill a human with his bare hand, as well as possibly killing several others by covering them in a "liquid metal" (I don't know what it was off the top of my head) and in Armada we see megs step on one of the aliens, man half the guy was under megs foot and the other half wasn't all in panel (I don't follow much of Armada sorry)

So theres a good chance DW will have in panel death, which is general important to the plot (yes all the deaths were in some form important to the story)

[Karpo_007]

Well then it has potential to become more than a second archie series. IF it continues beyond that 5 issues, that is.

I hope it would become a regular comic series, Two ongoing TMNT series worked once, why not again?

[Shellfox]

Still most of the killing is done by the machines, so I'm not sure what their stance on organic killing organic is.

As long as is helps the plot I'm all for it, but if someone goes in and kills 2 dozen people for no reason other than it looks good, forget it.

[Karpo_007]

If it's going to be realistic like Mirage, when ninjas attack you with deadly weapons, there is not much of a choice but to run away or fight. But As I have said the cartoons do find a way around that.

[Sparvid]

Yep, if you attack the Turtles with the intent to kill, you're going down! :evilgrin:

[beaker]

Well then it has potential to become more than a second archie series.

hmm...lets compare: Archie TMNT=craptaculair art on cheap paper
Dreamwave TMNT=astonishing manga TMNT on nice color glossy paper.
I stick by my guns when I say the DW TMNT will most likely go down as the best looking TMNT(IMHO) in over a decade and a half.

[Karpo_007]

Wrong.
Archie= Comic version of the cartoon
DreamWave= Comic version of the cartoon

[Barkworm]

But I have to agree with Beaker as far as Jim Lawson's drawings in the Archie series are concerned. They looked sooooo weird! :x

[Karpo_007]

Did Lawsson do archie? I never knew that. His old Mirage art is VERY good, so are the TMNT in the new Mirage, but the human characters could use little work.

[Raven]

ya I got to agree with karpo
I loved is work in city at work but its like v.4 he like I dont know he dosent draw very well
is new style kinda SUCKS!

[Karpo_007]

ya I got to agree with karpo
I loved is work in city at work but its like v.4 he like I dont know he dosent draw very well
is new style kinda SUCKS!

City at work... LOL :lol: Yeah it's weird how the new style differs from the old one.

[Raven]

Wait I was thinking jims new work just dosent kinda suck
It sucks major ass pain
it sucks how did he change it without thinking it looks good

ah hell I give up!

[Barkworm]

I love his Mirage-work, even though the humans look soo weird, but his Archie work sucked!

[Karpo_007]

I can't say, I have never seen his achie work.

[Lanagirl]

Violence does not always mean death or scars. The behaviour and views may be violent and even if charcaters don't kill each other, the show still can be evil and violent. It depends on how they will make this death. We may not notice it or it won't upset us. Violence is a wide notion.
But i would like to see Shredder,Hun, TMNT and Foot soldiers safe and sound. When children see that evil guys can be killed, they can think that killing a bad guy is not a crime. That is why they should NOT show any death. :dead:

[Karpo_007]

But they have, and children today are smart enough to understand that fiction is not reality. But as the cartoon get replaced by was reports, they can hear about real killing. That I consider way more harmfull.

[Raven]

I think death wouldnt be bad on tv because you can still do storys like leo having to face him self for killing some one.
also its cool when some jackass gets is head poped off

[Barkworm]

Hey Karpo, to see Jim Lawson's art on Archie check out this link:
http://www.wheeljack.com/?module=Comic%20Scans&modid=13&id=7&image=1

[Karpo_007]

:o That really looks bad.

[Shellfox]

But they have, and children today are smart enough to understand that fiction is not reality. But as the cartoon get replaced by was reports, they can hear about real killing. That I consider way more harmfull.
Again the reports are for the parents to see, and while most kids are smart it only takes the one stupid one to imitae the show and get someone hurt and his/her equaly stupid parents to raise hell about and not take reposibilty for explaining right and wrong to there kids to riun everything.

[Karpo_007]

Just saying that if there is few off screen deaths in cartoon, it shouldn't affect kids any more than those war reports.

[Raven]

I dont see any think worng with some one dieing!
yesterday I was driving and I came arcross a cross walk a old lady stud on the side walk i motioned to let her over then I ran her over!

see no promblem

[Roseangelo]

Wrong.
Archie= Comic version of the cartoon
DreamWave= Comic version of the cartoon

I'm just curious how much of the Archie series you've read. The Archie series I love has absolutely nothing in common with the old cartoon. Nothing. IMO the last few years of the Archie series really pushed the limits of a "children's" series.

[Leo656]

I agree whole-heartedly. Even though Archie began as a direct adaptation of the cartoon, over time it evolved into something really, really good. I didn't think there was anything particularly "kiddy" or "cartoonish" about seeing the Mutanimals' bullet-riddled corpses lying in a pool of blood. I also loved Chris Allan's art. The book started out kinda rough but over time it got really good, much better than most people give it credit for.

[Karpo_007]

I have read archie issues 1-72 back in the day, And it IS based on the cartoon. After the first issues it does take it's own course, But it's still the same TMNT and everything including the origin are from cartoon. Of course it's better written, and has deeper characters, but it's just a more mature version of the cartoon.

[Peanut]

I can see what you mean Karpo, but I see it as the comic EVOLVED from the cartoon. It used the same set up as the cartoon but in time turned into it's own product. BTW speaking of the Mutanimals...does anyone miss them? I know I sure do.

[Roseangelo]

Yes, agreed. Even though it started out borrowing characters (krang, bebop, rocksteady), and settings (dimension X) from the cartoon, I still can't look at it as based off the cartoon. And once Chris Allan got involved, all that was borrowed from the cartoon was virtually gone for good.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I consider it a combination of the old cartoon and the mirage comics, the perfect medium. It started off as a cartoon spin-off and evolved into something more like the original. Mirage is still better though.

BTW I too miss the Mutanamals. :cry:

[Karpo_007]

Well lets say it evolved from the cartoon. It has same origin, but yeah it was much more mature than the cartoon. Still it was clearly made for younger audience than Mirage for example.

[Shellfox]

http://www.newsarama.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000413;p=
About the DW comic, nothing new persay, but I think the last line of the first paragrph rather interesting
The new series will tie-in with the new animated Turtles series, but will be similar to Dreamwave’s approach to Transformers: Armada, and will have an edgier feel than the cartoon.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, of course a comic book can do a lot that a TV-show can't. Some death might even be shown. Good to know that the comic is connected to the carton.

[U2WaTCHer]

Not to say hey will krang be the next season. BUT heres a new one will Krang play a cameo in the next season. Like say lead up to something in the storyline or if the show gears that way. You know be a bubba fet in a way like in star wars? he was a warlord u know? Be there for a few mabie as his original body and mabie end up being a part of the show later on mabie if we are lucky cruise along in the T-drome. Krang seems he could be as violent as suki without his oriental yoddle in the backround hehe Then again i'm having pipe dreams, it would be nice mabie a cameo?

[Donatello]

Not to say hey will krang be the next season. BUT heres a new one will Krang play a cameo in the next season. Like say lead up to something in the storyline or if the show gears that way. You know be a bubba fet in a way like in star wars? he was a warlord u know? Be there for a few mabie as his original body and mabie end up being a part of the show later on mabie if we are lucky cruise along in the T-drome. Then again i'm having pipe dreams, it would be nice mabie a cameo?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




NO NO NO NO NO NO KRANG !!

ACCEPT IT!!!!!!!! :tmad:

[U2WaTCHer]

:o I am heart broken lol :kgrin: