Smack Down vs Raw Series Improvment

[Turo602]

I've owned every WWE game and now we are currently stuck with the Smack Down vs Raw series, and those games have been feeling a little dry lately. What THQ and Yukes needs to do is look back at every single wrestling game and take what was good from each of those games and work there asses more harder to make the best Smack Down vs Raw game ever. Smack Down vs Raw 2010 is the best WWE game since No Mercy. And No Mercy was cool because they had variety, It had a lot wrestlers and up to 4 different attires that you can change plus a lot more created wrestlers. They also had some good features like when your on the apron and are able to run and jump attack someone inside the ring etc... And Smack Down vs Raw 2010 took a step in that direction, but not good enough. I heard that they want to make it as realistic as possible to WWE which sucks. When I play a wrestling game I want to go outrageous and do what is not allowed in the ring for safety issues. I want to do a eight man tag match, I want to be able to set up some moves by myself (just like in No Mercy when you pick someone up with your shoulders and set him up to get attacked by someone on the turnbuckle) and I just want to be really extreme and be able to go to backstage areas in anywhere falls or hardcore matches while still having access to the ring to begin with, I just want more! We need be able to change the superstars costumes period instead of just the colors. I would also like a all new feature that allows you to make your own arena so you could be creative and make your own or be able to play in the old school arenas and let you climb the fist again from the previous Smack Down arena. Overall I want more creative features, more matches, more options, more hardcoreness, and more selectable Legends.(What does it take to play as Eddie Guerrero again) And that would make a perfect Smack Down vs. Raw 2011.

What are your thoughts on improving the series.

[The Stryker]

I've owned every WWE game and now we are currently stuck with the Smack Down vs Raw series, and those games have been feeling a little dry lately. What THQ and Yukes needs to do is look back at every single wrestling game and take what was good from each of those games and work there asses more harder to make the best Smack Down vs Raw game ever. Smack Down vs Raw 2010 is the best WWE game since No Mercy. And No Mercy was cool because they had variety, It had a lot wrestlers and up to 4 different attires that you can change plus a lot more created wrestlers. They also had some good features like when your on the apron and are able to run and jump attack someone inside the ring etc... And Smack Down vs Raw 2010 took a step in that direction, but not good enough. I heard that they want to make it as realistic as possible to WWE which sucks. When I play a wrestling game I want to go outrageous and do what is not allowed in the ring for safety issues. I want to do a eight man tag match, I want to be able to set up some moves by myself (just like in No Mercy when you pick someone up with your shoulders and set him up to get attacked by someone on the turnbuckle) and I just want to be really extreme and be able to go to backstage areas in anywhere falls or hardcore matches while still having access to the ring to begin with, I just want more! We need be able to change the superstars costumes period instead of just the colors. I would also like a all new feature that allows you to make your own arena so you could be creative a and make your own or be able to play in the old school arenas and let you climb the fist again from the previous Smack Down arena. Overall I want more creative features, more matches, more options, more hardcoreness, and more selectable Legends.(What does it take to play as Eddie Guerrero again) And that would make a perfect Smack Down vs. Raw 2011.

What are your thoughts on improving the series.

See, I like doing more realistic things. Stuff that would happen at a wrestling show which is pretty ridiculous as it is. When you have helicopters and sh*t like that it becomes something else completely. I hated Wrestlemania 19's campaign because of that.

Also, why would they go backwards. If you want to play as the old guys in the old arenas, Play the old games. Adding more legends just takes up roster slots from current guys that I would much rather play as. I'll take ANYBODY over a billionth Stone Cold incarnation. (Cena > Any of the legends anyway.)

[Turo602]

See, I like doing more realistic things. Stuff that would happen at a wrestling show which is pretty ridiculous as it is. When you have helicopters and sh*t like that it becomes something else completely.

Also, why would they go backwards. If you want to play as the old guys in the old arenas, Play the old games. Adding more legends just takes up roster slots from current guys that I would much rather play as. I'll take ANYBODY over a billionth Stone Cold incarnation.

It's possible. Considering how much my brother digs into that game and finds the extra slots from old people from previous games. And it won't be the same. Who want's to play an outdated game for characters and arenas, when THQ and Yukes can do it considering how much they slack and recycle.

[The Stryker]

Sure but it's like if they released a Madden game that had a bunch of teams from the 70s but only 5 modern day lineups.

The appeal of the new games are the updated rosters and new modes. Adding guys like Rick Rude and Snuka at the expense of guys who are actually wrestling now is stupid.

Or...you know, they could just make a game just for legends. They would NEVER do that!

[Turo602]

Sure but it's like if they released a Madden game that had a bunch of teams from the 70s but only 5 modern day lineups.

The appeal of the new games are the updated rosters and new modes. Adding guys like Rick Rude and Snuka at the expense of guys who are actually wrestling now is stupid.

Or...you know, they could just make a game just for legends. They would NEVER do that!

But surprisingly Legends game suck. People want the Rock to wrestle current people. So do you think that Smackdown vs Raw having over 100 empty slots and not filling them with anyone is stupid. The game doesn't have to be about Legends, there just a bonus. That like saying get rid of CAW mode because I've never seen stupid wacky green haired wrestlers with chains before. It's supposed to be fun. And anyway it's not like if I'm asking for a gigantic list of Legends just more then usual and I forgot to add, more divas.

[The Stryker]

Yes. More useless divas.

The Smackdown games do not have over 100 empty slots in them. CAW spots and other custom content takes up any extra space. You can easily have Rock wrestle current guys in the last legends game with the import feature and if you want The Rock so bad you can create him, It's not that hard.

Give guys who are actually under contract and wrestling the spotlight over Sgt.Slaughter who nobody will play as anyway.

[Turo602]

Yes. More useless divas.

The Smackdown games do not have over 100 empty slots in them. CAW spots and other custom content takes up any extra space. You can easily have Rock wrestle current guys in the last legends game with the import feature and if you want The Rock so bad you can create him, It's not that hard.

For real, tell that to everyone else who is an expert at creating superstars instead of having the real deal. And you are wrong there are at least 115 extra slots in 2010. Go visit http://www.code-x.ws/svr2010/ it has all your SvR needs. My brother owns it.

And dude do you not like girls?

[The Stryker]

Wonderful. Once they make Smackdown vs. RAW 1998 you can complain about the Rock being in it.

That site is terrible BTW.

I don't like drooling over polygon women, no.

[Turo602]

Wonderful. Once they make Smackdown vs. RAW 1998 you can complain about the Rock being in it.

That site is terrible BTW.

I don't like drooling over polygon women, no.

Says you. Still doesn't change the fact that your wrong about the slots.

[The Stryker]

Says you. Still doesn't change the fact that your wrong about the slots.

If that site had anything other than links to IGN videos. I might be able to find something about that. Hacking a game and using CAW slots to import characters from past games doesn't really count.

[Turo602]

If that site had anything other than links to IGN videos. I might be able to find something about that. Hacking a game and using CAW slots to import characters from past games doesn't really count.

Point still is, that there are 115 slots from previous wrestlers not being used. Not my fault that you can't work the site properly. Bashing the site proves nothing, that's why you resorted to that, because you were wrong.

[The Stryker]

It's all hacking bullsh*t. Who cares?

I bashed the site because you linked it to me like it was supposed to open my eyes and all I got was a bunch of IGN links, I know what the game looks like. Thanks.

[Turo602]

It's all hacking bullsh*t. Who cares?

I bashed the site because you linked it to me like it was supposed to open my eyes and all I got was a bunch of IGN links, I know what the game looks like. Thanks.

Once again that response was very empty, meaning point still stands. And it's not just hacking, using a cheat device doesn't create bullsh*t outta nowhere. Those were data files found within the disk.

And sorry I didn't hold your hand and walk you to the codes section. It's not my fault you clicked on videos expecting to hear about slots.

[The Stryker]

You're hilarious. Getting all pissy because the site is one giant jumbled mess.

Guess what? The stuff that site references? It's hacking, breaking into the debug modes and f*cking around. That doesn't mean "ROCK SHOULD BE IN IT!".

[Brodie]

Wrestling is gay.

[Turo602]

You're hilarious. Getting all pissy because the site is one giant jumbled mess.

Guess what? The stuff that site references? It's hacking, breaking into the debug modes and f*cking around. That doesn't mean "ROCK SHOULD BE IN IT!".

Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Your not making any sense, point was that they had more slots available to add more characters, I was never getting pissy about anything so stop bringing in the Rock into this.

Wrestling is gay.

I never knew wrestling had any sexual orientation.:lol:

[The Stryker]

Wrestling is gay.

THANK YOU.
Nobody ever gets that!

[Turo602]

THANK YOU.
Nobody ever gets that!

I see you don't have an issue with the word "Gay" anymore.

And I don't get it, are you with or against wrestling. Because I think you've been just wasting my time for the sake of arguing.

And what the hell does all of this have to do with improving this video game series. If you feel there's nothing wrong with the series then I know your easy to impress and have nothing relevant to say.

[The Stryker]

The series can be improved but none of it has to do with presentation and match types.

If they added in-ring mechanics from JP wrestling games like Fire Pro and King of Colosseum 2 it would be perfect. A better reversal system would also be good. Adding stupid 'hardcore' gimmicks is the last thing they need to work on.

[Damien Kash]

They need to make it possible for female and male characters to fight again.
Taking that away was retarded....."Oh no!?!we can't have men beating up women!?!.......RE-TAR-DED!!!

I want them to lose the points in CAW-mode.
More creation is the way to go.Focus on that. :D

[Turo602]

The series can be improved but none of it has to do with presentation and match types.

If they added in-ring mechanics from JP wrestling games like Fire Pro and King of Colosseum 2 it would be perfect. A better reversal system would also be good. Adding stupid 'hardcore' gimmicks is the last thing they need to work on.

Adding what stupid gimmick? Just because I want an off the wall wrestling game doesn't mean it's stupid. Being hardcore is better, allowing you to do more moves and interact with the environment is not good for you? For God's sake, they don't let you go backstage or fight in the crowd, get on the barricade, or even feel in control when your playing. I miss when they let you preform the move all by yourself, instead of seeing animations by pressing a little bit of buttons.

[The Stryker]

Care to elaborate just what game you're talking about? No game has been super detailed that you control moves like what you're describing, It's always been grapple A, B or C with a directional press for the most part.

I get a lot more out of being able to put on exciting realistic matches than being able to do crazy things. King of Colosseum 2 is the best wrestling game ever made in my opinion and that just had Tag team and triple threat as their big gimmick matches. No weapons or anything, just perfect in-ring gameplay.

I suggest you seek out one of the old ECW games so you can partake in a LAVA match.

[Turo602]

Care to elaborate just what game you're talking about? No game has been super detailed that you control moves like what you're describing, It's always been grapple A, B or C with a directional press for the most part.

I get a lot more out of being able to put on exciting realistic matches than being able to do crazy things. King of Colosseum 2 is the best wrestling game ever made in my opinion and that just had Tag team and triple threat as their big gimmick matches. No weapons or anything, just perfect in-ring gameplay.

I suggest you seek out one of the old ECW games so you can partake in a LAVA match.

In No Mercy you had to pull off the People's Elbow by yourself and not by seeing an animation, you had to set up double teams with your partner and not just grab the same guy and plenty more.

Smack Down vs Raw 2010 needed more match types. It felt kinda empty. I want a 1 on 3 match without it being a tag, or a 1 on four, along with 4 on 4. I want the inferno match to be more interesting. It'll also be cool to let you set up a chair normal and let you run and jump off it and preform moves with it. I just want it to let you access fun backstage areas in anywhere falls and hardcore/extreme rules matches while having access to the ring to begin with, instead of having to pick and play in a bogus little area. I just want the game to let you react to and use the environment much better. I also thought of a cool way to let you fight in the audience, where ever your character is taking the fight, the audience should move out of your way to give you room where your walking.

And I did have a ECW game, it was on the N64, I forgot what it was called. I really didn't like it, I preferred Wrestlemania 2000 and No Mercy. Even today those games are still fun. But I'm going to check out that lava match your talking about on youtube.

[The Stryker]

Please play the good wrestling games. It's not all about the hardcore stuff, most of the time it's super tacked on and lame.

Fire Pro Wrestling (Any version), King of Colosseum 2 and Wrestle Kingdom 2.

[Turo602]

Please play the good wrestling games. It's not all about the hardcore stuff, most of the time it's super tacked on and lame.

Fire Pro Wrestling (Any version), King of Colosseum 2 and Wrestle Kingdom 2.

I've owned Wrestlemania 2000, No Mercy, Day of Reckoning 1 and 2, Raw 1 and 2, Wrestlemania 18-21, and of course the entire Smack Down series including the SvR series.

[The Stryker]

I've owned Wrestlemania 2000, No Mercy, Day of Reckoning 1 and 2, Raw 1 and 2, Wrestlemania 18-21, and of course the entire Smack Down series including the SvR series.

And FPR by itself is better than all of those. Mania 21? GROSS.

[jeff the cheff]

I haven't played wrestling video games in a long time, but I'll just say that sometimes, less is more.

[Turo602]

And FPR by itself is better than all of those. Mania 21? GROSS.

I know I was disappointed about the XBOX games myself. And damn how good is this fire pro? My brother thought of getting it once but then decided not to. But I still think No Mercy is like one of the best wrestling games of all time. And you know what's more gross then 21, War Zone, yuck.:lol:

[Peanut]

No. Warzone was so much better, for its time, than WM21 was. Don't be insane.

[Turo602]

No. Warzone was so much better, for its time, than WM21 was. Don't be insane.

War Zone was really terrible, even for it's time. Smack Down was way more better. 21 was better for it's time even though it sucked.

[Peanut]

No. This shows you're a child who has no f*cking idea what you're talking about and constantly spew sh*t out of your ass. How f*cking old were you when Warzone came out? Like 3? So how in the hell do you know how good War Zone was when it first came out? You don't. And Smackdown couldn't be "way more better" than War Zone for its time because they were released YEARS APART!

How old were you even when Wrestlemania 21 came out? 10 or something? Do you know how many horrible problems that piece of junk had?

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about, kid. At one point, I thought you weren't so bad, a little naive and full of teenage arrogance, but now you're proving you're just a liar.

[TheCanadiandrome]

i'd kinda like to see a return to the old-school. borrow eliments from No Mercy and games like Attitude and War Zone (sorry Turo602 you're in the minority, that game was good!)

i hate the newer control schemes of the recent games. too much reliability on the stupid analog sticks. some of us can't pull off moves with that scheme. at least give more of a control scheme customization.

and since there looks like no "Legends of Wrestlemania" sequel, a little more inclusion of 'Legends' would be sweet. maybe a Legends RTWM or other story eliment

[Turo602]

No. This shows you're a child who has no f*cking idea what you're talking about and constantly spew sh*t out of your ass. How f*cking old were you when Warzone came out? Like 3? So how in the hell do you know how good War Zone was when it first came out? You don't. And Smackdown couldn't be "way more better" than War Zone for its time because they were released YEARS APART!

How old were you even when Wrestlemania 21 came out? 10 or something? Do you know how many horrible problems that piece of junk had?

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about, kid. At one point, I thought you weren't so bad, a little naive and full of teenage arrogance, but now you're proving you're just a liar.

Even if I where older during that time I wouldn't play it. I know when a game sucks and I don't keep suck games. I'm not defending W21, I got rid of that game for a reason. But Warzone was crap, 21 was crap, Smackdown 1 and 2 where crap. 2000 and No Mercy where better then that. We could all just agree they all suck badly.

[Peanut]

You're such a tool. Damn. I'm not even going to bother feeling bad whenever everyone rages on you anymore.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Even if I where older during that time I wouldn't play it. I know when a game sucks and I don't keep suck games. I'm not defending W21, I got rid of that game for a reason. But Warzone was crap, 21 was crap, Smackdown 1 and 2 where crap. 2000 and No Mercy where better then that. We could all just agree they all suck badly.
no we couldn't do that! lol! :P

[Turo602]

You're such a tool. Damn. I'm not even going to bother feeling bad whenever everyone rages on you anymore.

Sorry I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

I don't care as I could recall your one of those people.

[Sergio517]

If that site had anything other than links to IGN videos. I might be able to find something about that. Hacking a game and using CAW slots to import characters from past games doesn't really count.

That is completely false so I must say something. You can not replace a CAW slot with a Superstar Character. It's just not the same as replacing a superstar slot with another superstar slot because you can't expect to put The Rock in CAW slot 1 and then go edit him in CAW mode.

Firstly, SvR 2010 has over 115 empty character slots, not including an empty slot for Howard Finkel, Vickie Guerrero, and some others. These characters were most likely to be included in the game but were removed. Whether their game model was ever complete is unknown, but they had character slots with names added. All empty character slots are represented with a generic superstar silhouette image, stats, and moves. Selecting these characters in a match causes the game to freeze because there is no actual character model to load into the match.

Surprisingly SvR 2009 and SvR 2010 are the only games I know to have a ton of empty character slots. SvR 2008 and before had only about 10 - 20 empty slots because whenever a superstar quit or was fired and was not included in the next SvR game, their model slot would remain in the same order as the previous game, but their model would be removed. As it stands, The Rock is always the first character slot in the list of superstars in a SmackDown game. When he was not included in SvR 2009, his character slot was still there and was still the first one in the list, but it had no model, making his slot empty.

Anyway, since there are so many slots, I feel and agree with Turo that THQ/Yukes can add a lot more characters to the game. I would love a full roster of current wrestlers and divas as well as a lot of cool old school wrestlers.

[Leo656]

God, I could debate wrestling games for years. :lol:

I'm currently playing No Mercy for the first time in a while, and I gotta say I think that type of game has aged really, really well. The engine itself was almost perfect. I actually kind of preferred the Gamecube games over the SmackDown series (WMX8 excluded, but that was only a first try on the system) in most respects, because the gameplay was almost exactly like the No Mercy engine. The only things SD had better was more detailed CAW with more roster slots, slightly better graphics, and a few more match options.

I agree with Stryker that the main campaign in WM XIX was weak. It would have been "just fine" as its own mode, but as the main game feature it was pretty lame. The only thing I didn't love about that game, though.

I also agree Fire Pro owns over just about anything, but it just isn't right for a mainstream wrestling game, imho. The learning curve is too steep for party play and the graphics whores can't get over the fact that it's 2D. They could probably do a 3D style game that uses the same basic engine, but I'm not sure it'd go over. I dunno how many Fire Pro for PS2 sold but I'd be willing to bet it didn't move a ton of units. Which doesn't detract from it as an amazing game (the fact that it has hundreds of CAW slots alone makes me wet), just that it doesn't cater to the mainstream like a WWE game needs to.

I also disagree that Legends have no place in the newer games. I haven't played 2010 yet, but I thought the overall rosters for SDvsRaw 2008/09 were pretty weak. Everything else was fine, but the rosters... ugh. Be real: Nobody genuinely wants to play as Cryme Tyme or Chavo. Of course they should be in the game, b/c everyone on TV a lot should be in that year's game, but most of us get bored playing as Punk and Jericho all the time. Beyond that, a lot of fans just plain old like the newer games but prefer the older generation of wrestlers. I love making CAWS and am pretty good at it (also not ashamed to borrow someone's formula if I need someone to be "perfect"), but I just don't have time anymore to give it the attention it needs. Most of the people I make are split 50/50 between Legends and people from other feds, and I'm sick of making people like Bret and Piper over and over again.

I'm sure it wouldn't kill them to add another "roster" for Legends to the game, especially now that ECW is gone. Just put about 15-20 Legends in and everyone would be happy without taking anyone "more deserving" out. People like Hogan, Piper, Bret, Undertaker, Austin etc. deserve to be in every WWE game and people want to play as them. If they did in fact have to cut people off the main roster to make room, well, anyone you have to think for more than 5 seconds, "should they be in it?" probably shouldn't be.

They could also make Legends strictly DLC, that could work.

I hated the first SmackDown game, so I'm amazed how far they've improved so far, but I'd still make some changes, mostly by borrowing things from other WWE games.
-Gameplay would let you choose between a standard SDvsRaw analog control style, or a more basic Day or Reckoning style.

-CAW would keep SD's layering system and graphics textures, while discarding the millions of useless patterns and outfits, while adding outfits and patterns from Day of Reckoning/Legends of Wrestlemania (i.e., they'd have outfits people actually have worn instead of 100 layers of tie-dye).

-Day of Reckoning's Create-An-Entrance, to replace SD's crappy one. DoR had much better camera settings and way more poses to choose from. And better entrance props. JEFF JARRETT NEEDS HIS GUITAR, DAMMIT!

-Bring back fighting in the crowd from a couple SD's ago, keep all the environmental grapples and the weapons system.

-Have a few main modes that can use either an in-game character or a CAW. Road to WM in 09 was fun, but really limited b/c you could only use an in-game character due to the whole voice/script thing. Storylines should have as many branching paths as possible, with options to turn face/heel or form a stable whenever. Think PS2 SD games.

-I wouldn't hate seeing GM mode again. There's gotta be a way to integrate a GM mode into a Season/Story mode like a sports game and make it fun.

-Add a "passed out" state for characters who've taken too much of a beating, like in No Mercy. It would make those multi-man Money in the Bank matches a little bit easier and less frustrating if guys didn't just pop right up no matter how tired/hurt they were.

-If they aren't going to do another Legends game, I'd like to see a mode where you unlock things by re-enacting classic or famous matches.

-Legends, somehow.

-The ability to assign multiple finishers based on ring location, just like No Mercy/Day of Reckoning. I think it was DoR1 where you could have as many as 10 finishers (front, back, running, top rope standing, top rope laying, TB front, TB back, Irish whip, head submit/feet submit) and a Super move (by saving all your finisher icons and using them at once). That was bad-ass. Having only a couple in SD sucks.

-Ability to steal finishers, not just as a learned skill.

-They need to go back to the old way of assigning CAW stats. 09 in particular was brutal. When you make like a billion people, having to run them ALL through career to get their stats/abilities perfect is a chore to say the least. I like the abilities that you get based on match performance, but they still gotta tweak it a bit.

It's nice to wish, ain't it? :lol: I know that's a lot of things I'd change, but most of the time when I'm playing older games with Mary we run into something that makes us say "Y'know, SD would be better if they had this." :lol:

[Turo602]

It's nice to wish, ain't it? :lol: I know that's a lot of things I'd change, but most of the time when I'm playing older games with Mary we run into something that makes us say "Y'know, SD would be better if they had this." :lol:

That's how I feel.:lol:

And dude I agree with you, that's like the things I wanted. Taking the good things from past games and combining them to a huge awesome game. The main parts that needs fixing is roster, caw mode, match types, and gameplay. It would be cool to let you interact with more of the environment when playing matches. And yeah sometimes the roster gets boring, that's why I want plenty more divas, legends, and current people. I would also like the alternate gears for every wrestler thing again. And story mode would be kinda cool to have RPG style like in the DS. Having your wrestler and having him/her interact with other people backstage, and train to increase your stats for story mode.

And dude, No Mercy is awesome, even til this day it's still fun.

[TheCanadiandrome]

yeah it'll be interesting to see if the developers listen to some of the fan ideas. as they claim to do.