View Full Version : Is Krang a Utrom?
Mutated Turtle
05-21-2010, 04:04 AM
Krang and a Utrom look alike,but is Krang an Utrom???
Candy Kappa
05-21-2010, 04:15 AM
No.
his looks are only based off the Utrom species.
Krang is a Dimension X warlord, that got exiled from his own world and his body. One of the OT episodes Krang Clones himself, the clones grows back their bodies, you can see how Krang looked like before he became a brain with a face.
While the Utroms are naturally squid looking
besides there huge differences between a Utrom and Krang, when you look at them, like different numbers of tentacles and body type.
I a picture of Krang before he looked like a squid, he looked kind of lizardy to me.
Candy Kappa
05-21-2010, 06:53 AM
one of the Clones of Krang, so basically he'd look similar to this
http://www.bogleech.com/tmnt/tmnt-krang5.jpg
Who knows but I do know that is one line to piss off Krang.
Wait a second....I see what you did there, you found a way to sneak another "line to piss off.." thread, clever.
Well other lines would include, "Hey krang why is your robot body naked?, wait why are YOU naked?"
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-21-2010, 10:33 AM
No.
his looks are only based off the Utrom species.
Krang is a Dimension X warlord, that got exiled from his own world and his body. One of the OT episodes Krang Clones himself, the clones grows back their bodies, you can see how Krang looked like before he became a brain with a face.
While the Utroms are naturally squid looking
besides there huge differences between a Utrom and Krang, when you look at them, like different numbers of tentacles and body type.
Maybe, maybe not. I think it's not mentioned. It's the same like if the street punk gang in "Turtle Tracks" of the 1987 TMNT cartoon is the Purple Dragon Gang. The name is not mentioned, but it is at least based on the Purple Dragon Gang.
Is it stated they grew back their bodies and they weren't just maybe enhancements?
There is also the other OT episode that shows Krang with others like him.
Candy Kappa
05-21-2010, 11:49 AM
Maybe, maybe not. I think it's not mentioned. It's the same like if the street punk gang in "Turtle Tracks" of the 1987 TMNT cartoon is the Purple Dragon Gang. The name is not mentioned, but it is at least based on the Purple Dragon Gang.
it's very clear that Krang is not a Utrom. "Invasion of the Krangezoids" clearly shows that Krang had a body, not to mention Peter's sketch for a real body Krang figure. Krang have never been called a Utrom, he's from a different dimension while the Utroms are from a different planet.
The episode having flashback where Krang are among his kind and they are brain like creatures in bubble-walkers like him, have been contradicted by the show many times. Krang have said several times that he had a body before he got exiled out off Dimension X.
Teddy
05-21-2010, 12:02 PM
There is also an Utrom named Krang, but they're not the same character of course. Just done as a joke I'm sure. In the 2k3 series when the Utroms are all escaping into the transmat one of the Utroms complains about having to walk on their tenticles and another Utrom says "Oh shut up, Krang!"...or something like that. Details escape me at the moment. *shrugs*
Is it stated they grew back their bodies and they weren't just maybe enhancements?
Krang thought they were going to stay disembodied brains. He even built them all bubble walkers. And, Donatello suggested that the bodies were part of their DNA and they were just regrowing them the way a lizard regrows a tail. Still, since David Wise wrote this one himself, it's pretty safe to say that it was meant to be Krang's original form.
There is also the other OT episode that shows Krang with others like him.
I'm a little fuzzy on the details of that flashback, but I think it's best to think of that as being his scientists AFTER they got their matching haircuts. It's less irritating than thinking it was just the work of some clueless hack who doesn't pay attention to detail.
not to mention Peter's sketch for a real body Krang figure.
Ooh! Link please. :thyper:
I'm a little fuzzy on the details of that flashback, but I think it's best to think of that as being his scientists AFTER they got their matching haircuts. It's less irritating than thinking it was just the work of some clueless hack who doesn't pay attention to detail.
what?
I was thinking that maybe they also got their bodies taken away like Krang did, that would explain it. Is that what you meant with the haircut thing?
Anyways it wouldn't be some clueless hack since that flashback happened before they ever showed his body so that would have meant it was later retconned.
I was thinking that maybe they also got their bodies taken away like Krang did, that would explain it. Is that what you meant with the haircut thing?
Exactly. It's a metaphor. The barber just took a little too much off the top. :P
Anyways it wouldn't be some clueless hack since that flashback happened before they ever showed his body so that would have meant it was later retconned.
True, but retconning is irritating any way you slice it.
Candy Kappa
05-21-2010, 01:05 PM
Ooh! Link please. :thyper:
looked around at Laird's blog, I saw it there. But without luck I found it on a different site
http://www.bogleech.com/tmnt/tmnt-krangbody.jpg
Andrew NDB
05-21-2010, 01:15 PM
If they ever -- and I can't stress how much I hope they do not -- decide to throw Krang into a movie or anything ever again... I would hope they would retrofit him as a renegade or rogue Utrom.
hudemx
05-21-2010, 01:20 PM
Even though I'm not an expert on this Part of the OT I had my own Version of the Story back the Days:
The Body Krang lost, when he was banished from Dimension X, was a Androidbody. He always was just the "brain" he is - Also General Traag and Lt. Granitor recognized Krang when they first saw him back in episode 4 of the OT. How could they recognize Krangs Brain if it's suposed to be in a Body?
Then there was that scene which showed others like Krang walking around in Bubblewalker in a Flashback (Krang with a mustache was prizeless), which would also support this theory.
The Lizards that the Krang-Clones became could also have been a pre-evolutional Form of Krangs own Race, they evoluted backwards.
sry if I made some mistakes in the short Text, remember english isn't the language I grew up with...
John Pannozzi
05-21-2010, 01:33 PM
If they ever -- and I can't stress how much I hope they do not -- decide to throw Krang into a movie or anything ever again... I would hope they would retrofit him as a renegade or rogue Utrom.
BTW, I've heard that Dan Berger gave Krang that backstory in the TMNT comic strip. Anyone here know more about that strip and Krang's role in it ?
discordiatookie
05-21-2010, 01:37 PM
BTW, I've heard that Dan Berger gave Krang that backstory in the TMNT comic strip. Anyone here know more about that strip and Krang's role in it ?
I'm afraid not. I find it a sin that the strips were never collected either, i'd love to see them in print. Sigh.
ToTheNines
05-21-2010, 02:37 PM
Also General Traag and Lt. Granitor recognized Krang when they first saw him back in episode 4 of the OT. How could they recognize Krangs Brain if it's suposed to be in a Body?
Voice recognition.
Cipher
05-21-2010, 02:43 PM
Voice recognition.Yep. Even the clones had their same voices when they regrew their bodies.
On a side note, am I the only one who kind of wanted to see Krang get his body back and go toe-to-toe with the Turtles at some point? One of the many avenues I wish the Fred Wolf cartoon would have explored.
Who knows but I do know that is one line to piss off Krang.
Wait a second....I see what you did there, you found a way to sneak another "line to piss off.." thread, clever.
Well other lines would include, "Hey krang why is your robot body naked?, wait why are YOU naked?"God damn it, why does this keep happening?
hudemx
05-21-2010, 02:46 PM
Voice recognition.
Well, but it seems Traag hasn't heard him when Krang called him by his Name. He keeps looking for the Neutrinos until he looks down and sees Krang.
So he must have known how his "brain" looked like!
The heads of the full-bodied Krang clones were almost the exact same shape as Krang. I believe it was an exoskeleton situation. Still, where the body hid those arm tentacles is anyone's guess.
Candy Kappa
05-21-2010, 03:07 PM
If they ever -- and I can't stress how much I hope they do not -- decide to throw Krang into a movie or anything ever again... I would hope they would retrofit him as a renegade or rogue Utrom.
I had something like that in mind when i drew the nicktoon style turtles.
I think it wasn't that long ago that I named the ep for someone else, but which ep was it that had the moustachioed 'Krangezoid' brain? I'm almost certain it was a season 3 ep.
hudemx
05-21-2010, 03:48 PM
I think it wasn't that long ago that I named the ep for someone else, but which ep was it that had the moustachioed 'Krangezoid' brain? I'm almost certain it was a season 3 ep.
It's from the episode "Four Musketurtles".
It's from the episode "Four Musketurtles".
Thanks, hude (pun on the word, "dude")! Watching the ep again, I have to say: I thought there was a bit more backstory to that flashback. All that was said was that it was their first tests with dimensional travel that they decided to send Dimension X's rarest element to Earth. Of all the genius plotlines... -_-
Mutated Turtle
05-21-2010, 04:18 PM
So, Krang had a body,but then he was nothing more than a disembodied brain?
Candy Kappa
05-21-2010, 04:30 PM
So, Krang had a body,but then he was nothing more than a disembodied brain?
now ye got it
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-22-2010, 08:30 AM
Thanks, hude (pun on the word, "dude")! Watching the ep again, I have to say: I thought there was a bit more backstory to that flashback. All that was said was that it was their first tests with dimensional travel that they decided to send Dimension X's rarest element to Earth. Of all the genius plotlines... -_-
I agree. Maybe it's just Shredder imaging when Krang tells the story (and maybe Shredder didn't think of that Krang once had a body.
TMNT_2010
05-23-2010, 09:07 PM
Even though I'm not an expert on this Part of the OT I had my own Version of the Story back the Days:
The Body Krang lost, when he was banished from Dimension X, was a Androidbody. He always was just the "brain" he is - Also General Traag and Lt. Granitor recognized Krang when they first saw him back in episode 4 of the OT. How could they recognize Krangs Brain if it's suposed to be in a Body?
Then there was that scene which showed others like Krang walking around in Bubblewalker in a Flashback (Krang with a mustache was prizeless), which would also support this theory.
The Lizards that the Krang-Clones became could also have been a pre-evolutional Form of Krangs own Race, they evoluted backwards.
sry if I made some mistakes in the short Text, remember english isn't the language I grew up with...
This is exactly how I always though of it as well. So when Krang wanted Shredder to build him a body in the first season, he wanted a robotic body just like he used to have.
Candy Kappa
05-24-2010, 05:17 AM
that does not make sense when he in his new body have stated me misses his real body.
don't remember the episode.. somewhere between season 1-4....
hudemx
05-24-2010, 06:21 AM
that does not make sense when he in his new body have stated me misses his real body.
don't remember the episode.. somewhere between season 1-4....
Well he could also have ment his real robotic body. He never says that he had a biological Body.
Coola Yagami
05-24-2010, 09:20 AM
Probably meant his real biological body. After all, all Shredder gave him as a robot to control. Not the same have a real body than just sitting in a cockpit controlling a fake robot version of your real body.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-24-2010, 09:41 AM
Probably meant his real biological body. After all, all Shredder gave him as a robot to control. Not the same have a real body than just sitting in a cockpit controlling a fake robot version of your real body.
And Archie Krang even took Shredders body in one issue.
Mutagen
05-25-2010, 02:38 AM
Aside from the voice, as we can see by Krang's clones his "face" doesnt change at all. Its basically what we see just attached to the body, thats why he was easily recognized
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/Batman/krangsbody.png
Besides, I think Krang is being called brain because he resembles one, not because he is one. He has a mouth after all. I think he is a disembodied head that just resembles a brain rather than being one
hudemx
05-25-2010, 04:06 AM
Aside from the voice, as we can see by Krang's clones his "face" doesnt change at all. Its basically what we see just attached to the body, thats why he was easily recognized
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/Batman/krangsbody.png
Besides, I think Krang is being called brain because he resembles one, not because he is one. He has a mouth after all. I think he is a disembodied head that just resembles a brain rather than being one
But look at the Face of that clone: Where are the tentacles he uses as arms?
As I said, I think the clone "evoluted" backwards, thats why they Faces did change a bit and the "tentacles" Krang uses as Hands "devoluted" into real arms.
"Evolved", sir... The word you're looking for is "evolved".
hudemx
05-25-2010, 04:58 AM
"Evolved", sir... The word you're looking for is "evolved".
again - sry english isn't the language I grew up with ;)
But thanks for the correction gobo ^^
Mutagen
05-25-2010, 11:32 AM
But look at the Face of that clone: Where are the tentacles he uses as arms?
As I said, I think the clone "evoluted" backwards, thats why they Faces did change a bit and the "tentacles" Krang uses as Hands "devoluted" into real arms.
Well, for apparent reasons the head wont have the tentacles because its attached to a full body. I think of Krang's tentacles as roots that attached the head to the rest of the body. Note that Krang had to have been ripped off his body, not cut away because of its uneven shape, and tentacles are the result of that.
Coola Yagami
05-25-2010, 10:53 PM
Krang was probably blasted by some sort of de-evolve ray and turned into what he is, thinking it would stop him from causing further harm.
Blade Raider
05-25-2010, 11:21 PM
looked around at Laird's blog, I saw it there. But without luck I found it on a different site
http://www.bogleech.com/tmnt/tmnt-krangbody.jpg
http://www.he-man.org/collecting/toy.php?id=2905&image=6159
It's only a matter a time before someone makes this.
Kendamu
05-26-2010, 01:08 AM
That's a really cool concept for Krang's body. It's nice to see that, coincidentally or not, the Krangazoids basically look like something based off Pete's drawing.
As for how he lost it... I'm gonna say maybe something like a Retromutagen gun or something de-evolved Krang or whatever (assuming that Mutagen works a bit differently on Krang than it does on turtles and people).
Blade Raider
05-26-2010, 01:17 AM
That's a really cool concept for Krang's body. It's nice to see that, coincidentally or not, the Krangazoids basically look like something based off Pete's drawing.
...I don't see the resemblance. The Krangazoids look like the 90's Godzilla and the concept looks like a He-Man toy mixed with the Thing from Fantastic 4.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-26-2010, 08:18 AM
That's a really cool concept for Krang's body. It's nice to see that, coincidentally or not, the Krangazoids basically look like something based off Pete's drawing.
As for how he lost it... I'm gonna say maybe something like a Retromutagen gun or something de-evolved Krang or whatever (assuming that Mutagen works a bit differently on Krang than it does on turtles and people).
Maybe people on Krang's home planet are born without body, and the body then grows out. When Krang was hit by a retromutagen ray, he was de-mutated in size (but not in intelligence).
Mutagen
05-26-2010, 09:28 PM
Also dont forget that the comic books showed us that Krang can connect to a live body like he did with Shredder's. His tentacles have to be some kind of nerves or roots of some kind
Blade Raider
05-26-2010, 10:54 PM
Maybe people on Krang's home planet are born without body, and the body then grows out. When Krang was hit by a retromutagen ray, he was de-mutated in size (but not in intelligence).
This...Except I don't think he was ever hit with a retromutagen ray. I always figure his race acted something like a butterfly mixed with a lizard.
So, Krang's a... Buttergecko?? :-?
Blade Raider
05-27-2010, 12:45 PM
So, Krang's a... Buttergecko?? :-?
That's the South American equivalent to butter toast:lol:
Kendamu
05-27-2010, 08:02 PM
...I don't see the resemblance. The Krangazoids look like the 90's Godzilla and the concept looks like a He-Man toy mixed with the Thing from Fantastic 4.
I mean it more in the, "Oh, Krang was always intended to be a hideous monster," kind of resemblance. My vision of Krang with a body was something more along the lines of the look of Krang's android body despite whatever later seasons of the cartoon said.
dontplaydead27
05-30-2010, 01:35 PM
I'm jumping in on this topic! I've never been a huge fan of Krang, but done in a way that differs from the OT could be really interesting (And the fans already having a connection to the character of Krang would be a plus, not like bringing in 13 monsters) I never realized they showed Krangs body on the cartoon, I don't like how they made it look, i'd rather him be a brain. The sketch of his body looked much cooler, but also I think if we didn't know exactly what his body looked like, it would add to the mystique a little. I know there's another topic about a possible incarnation of Krang in a movie, so I think i'll go jump in that topic now..
turkishproverb
05-31-2010, 12:50 AM
Krang is a Dimension X warlord, that got exiled from his own world and his body. One of the OT episodes Krang Clones himself, the clones grows back their bodies, you can see how Krang looked like before he became a brain with a face.
Then again, the show's internal continuity was hardly iron clad...
Panda_Kahn_fan
05-31-2010, 12:50 PM
Krang definitely wasn't an Utrom in the old cartoon, but making him an Utrom Outlaw in the new toon would be an excellent idea.
Personally, I never understood why the 2002 series didn't just make Krang the Utrom Outlaw who supplied the Oroku family line (human leaders of the foot clan) with the tech that allowed them to dominate over the generations, instead of making Saki actually be the Outlaw in the form of C'hrell. Would've solved many people's complaints about Shredder no being human. But that's just my opinion.
Your Kahn decrees it!
Coola Yagami
05-31-2010, 06:30 PM
Cause they wanted to stay as far away as the old cartoon as possible...?
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-01-2010, 05:52 AM
Also dont forget that the comic books showed us that Krang can connect to a live body like he did with Shredder's. His tentacles have to be some kind of nerves or roots of some kind
That's Archie Krang, yes. But not the 1987 cartoon Krang.
Mutagen
06-01-2010, 08:45 PM
That's Archie Krang, yes. But not the 1987 cartoon Krang.
Its still the same character and universe, considering that Archie adapted some of the episodes too.
Powder
06-01-2010, 08:52 PM
Its still the same character and universe, considering that Archie adapted some of the episodes too.
Its not the same universe. The Archie book started as an adaption series simply to make more money without making more characters. When the sales reported weren't very good, it was suggested that they make up their own & go with the flow. Ask anyone involved in it & they will tell you there is no connection continuity wise. Its basically like comparing the 2k3 toon to the mirage comics. The characters in each universe are unaware of what happens in another... even those who seem tied together.
Mutagen
06-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Its not the same universe. The Archie book started as an adaption series simply to make more money without making more characters. When the sales reported weren't very good, it was suggested that they make up their own & go with the flow. Ask anyone involved in it & they will tell you there is no connection continuity wise. Its basically like comparing the 2k3 toon to the mirage comics. The characters in each universe are unaware of what happens in another... even those who seem tied together.
Perhaps. But then again, continuity wasnt that strong in the cartoon either. Since the Archie series started out adapting the episodes, I consider them to be both from the same universe. On the other hand, as Im writing this I forgot that some things contradict each other, like the whole story with Slash
Powder
06-01-2010, 09:48 PM
Perhaps. But then again, continuity wasnt that strong in the cartoon either. Since the Archie series started out adapting the episodes, I consider them to be both from the same universe. On the other hand, as Im writing this I forgot that some things contradict each other, like the whole story with Slash
Trust me dude, its fact.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-02-2010, 05:42 AM
Perhaps. But then again, continuity wasnt that strong in the cartoon either. Since the Archie series started out adapting the episodes, I consider them to be both from the same universe. On the other hand, as Im writing this I forgot that some things contradict each other, like the whole story with Slash
And Leatherhead. And the Eye of Sarnath has different stories.
Sidian
06-08-2010, 09:21 PM
i think i love krang a bit too much...especially his voice
but no hes not an utrom. i think laird even commented on this has he not?
Repeatedly, I believe... That's why continuing to debate the issue is kinda frustrating.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-14-2010, 10:26 AM
Maybe there should be a TMNT version with Krang and Shredder on different sides (but still both being bad guys), just like Hordak & Skeletor in He-Man.
Redeemer
06-14-2010, 03:41 PM
Maybe there should be a TMNT version with Krang and Shredder on different sides (but still both being bad guys), just like Hordak & Skeletor in He-Man.
I like this idea having them on opposing side, but both against the turtles. Maybe an eventual team up? Who knows. But I do like this Idea overal.
Andrew NDB
06-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Maybe there should be a TMNT version with Krang and Shredder on different sides (but still both being bad guys), just like Hordak & Skeletor in He-Man.
Would have to give that a total pass.
Mutated Turtle
06-15-2010, 03:58 AM
Maybe there should be a TMNT version with Krang and Shredder on different sides (but still both being bad guys), just like Hordak & Skeletor in He-Man.
That... that would not seem right.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-15-2010, 07:13 AM
I like this idea having them on opposing side, but both against the turtles. Maybe an eventual team up? Who knows. But I do like this Idea overal.
Or maybe Krang breaking with Shredder in the 1987 cartoon?
CyberCubed
10-28-2017, 03:56 PM
It's kind of funny reading this old thread from 2010 prior to the IDW/Nick revivals, where Krang is now an Utrom in canon in both.
It looks like Viacom will always consider Krang an Utrom going forward.
neatoman
10-28-2017, 04:47 PM
It's kind of funny reading this old thread from 2010 prior to the IDW/Nick revivals, where Krang is now an Utrom in canon in both.
It looks like Viacom will always consider Krang an Utrom going forward.
Why wouldn't they?
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