The Legend of Zelda

[Turo602]

I have been a Zelda fan since I first played the nes Zelda back when I was 4-5 years old and I finally decided to dedicate a thread to it, especially with a new title on it's way, that we know nothing about except for an image. I myself have been geeked since last year about this and have been waiting for this game for four years. I'm also a big fan of most of the Zelda music especially the main theme.

So lets get to talking about the new game. I have the biggest feeling that this game is going to meet the standards of Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess. Some people even think that this game might even be a sequel to Ocarina of Time and might have to do with time traveling, but those are just rumors and dumb speculations.

Lets talk about what I want from this game. I want this game to be very big and long (shut up I know) so Link could meet with the Zoras, Gorons, Retos, and the Deku Tree. I also thought it would be cool if Vatti and Gannon were the two bosses of this game so we could finally see Vaati in a realistic form. I also thought it'll be so badass if they were so much of a big threat that Link had to get different artifacts from previous heroes in the dungeons he goes through. Just picture a statue of the Hero of Time holding the real Ocarina and etc... Then in the final fight he uses the Ocarina and slows down time giving a few strikes to Vaati and Gannon, then he uses the Wind Waker to blow one of them away with the Wind, and then it would be cool if he turns into a Wolf and then he turns Minish etc..

So what do you guys think? Or like about the Zelda series?

[Peanut]

Zelda has been discussed to death numerous times here, so the stance of most members is pretty well known, but we always seem to get into some pretty good discussions about it anyways.

There are a select few of us who feel the return to "realistic" Zelda at the behest of the "mature" crowd was a step back for the franchise. I actually disliked a great deal of Twilight Princess outside of the boss fights and very specific dungeons. In particular, everything to do with the horrible wolf Link and the twilight world was torture to me, and bullsh*t like tear collecting was nothing but tedious padding.

To me, Wind Waker was the perfect Zelda in every way, and it really disappoints me that that part of the franchise seems to have been relegated to handheld garbage. So, I will admit that my interest in the new Zelda is fairly slim.

Also of note, I've never been a fan of the "classic" Zelda games, and despised both LoZ and LttP when I played them as a kid, so I don't have that nostalgic connection to the franchise that so many others do. I feel like it allows me to really see the series without the blinders on and be more critical of it than most are.

[Turo602]

Zelda has been discussed to death numerous times here, so the stance of most members is pretty well known, but we always seem to get into some pretty good discussions about it anyways.

There are a select few of us who feel the return to "realistic" Zelda at the behest of the "mature" crowd was a step back for the franchise. I actually disliked a great deal of Twilight Princess outside of the boss fights and very specific dungeons. In particular, everything to do with the horrible wolf Link and the twilight world was torture to me, and bullsh*t like tear collecting was nothing but tedious padding.

To me, Wind Waker was the perfect Zelda in every way, and it really disappoints me that that part of the franchise seems to have been relegated to handheld garbage. So, I will admit that my interest in the new Zelda is fairly slim.

Also of note, I've never been a fan of the "classic" Zelda games, and despised both LoZ and LttP when I played them as a kid, so I don't have that nostalgic connection to the franchise that so many others do. I feel like it allows me to really see the series without the blinders on and be more critical of it than most are.

I haven't been here that long because I never really seen discussions on Zelda, which I'm all for.

And yeah, Wind Waker is one of my personal favorites along with Ocarina of Time, and I have always wanted a new Wind Waker game on the Wii. Hell even a port with new controls. But I do remember Twilght Princess vaguely. That's why I'm going to replay all the Zelda games, finally play a Link to the Past, and finish Majora's Mask(never really got to finish playing it)in the summer.

But I'm a giant Zelda fan so I am really excited for the new game.

[GK Punk]

Unlike Peanut, I'm all about the classic Zelda games. I never finished Wind Waker but keep swearing that one day I will.

[ThirdMarioBro]

As much as I love Ocarina of Time, I believe that Twilight Princess was better. That game gets so much crap for being "mature", but it really wasn't. It was no more mature than Ocarina.

As for those two DS Zelda titles, there were abortions. It doesn't bother me so much that they were on a portable. My favorite Zelda is Link's Awakening, and that game was on a 160x140 monochromatic screen. What bothers me is that they were kiddy crap. They were embarrassing. There was nothing memorable about either. It was an insult to Wind Waker in every way that those games even exist.

As for the new Zelda... I'm hopeful. Twilight Princess came out in 2006, but it was finished in 2005. They delayed it a year to crap out a really bad Wii port. This new game has been in development since then. That's longer than even Ocarina of Time. My faith in Nintendo's first party output is restored by Galaxy 2, aka the best game of all time. If Nintendo can keep that ball rolling, all will be well. This is the A team making this one, not that scrub nonsense on the DS.

[Turo602]

As much as I love Ocarina of Time, I believe that Twilight Princess was better. That game gets so much crap for being "mature", but it really wasn't. It was no more mature than Ocarina.

As for those two DS Zelda titles, there were abortions. It doesn't bother me so much that they were on a portable. My favorite Zelda is Link's Awakening, and that game was on a 160x140 monochromatic screen. What bothers me is that they were kiddy crap. They were embarrassing. There was nothing memorable about either. It was an insult to Wind Waker in every way that those games even exist.

As for the new Zelda... I'm hopeful. Twilight Princess came out in 2006, but it was finished in 2005. They delayed it a year to crap out a really bad Wii port. This new game has been in development since then. That's longer than even Ocarina of Time. My faith in Nintendo's first party output is restored by Galaxy 2, aka the best game of all time. If Nintendo can keep that ball rolling, all will be well. This is the A team making this one, not that scrub nonsense on the DS.

I really liked Phantom Hourglass and still haven't really got to play Spirit Tracks, but Phantom Hourglass was a good quality DS adventure. And I have to agree with you TMB, Twilight Princess was really good and was no more mature then Ocarina. And damn Link's Awakening, That along with the two Oracle games are the only games I'm missing from the Zelda series.

And the crappiest Zelda game award goes to, The Adventure of Link!:lol:

Unlike Peanut, I'm all about the classic Zelda games. I never finished Wind Waker but keep swearing that one day I will.

LOL, same here.

[Peanut]

And the crappiest Zelda game award goes to, The Adventure of Link!:lol:

Wait, what? No.

[Turo602]

Wait, what? No.

Well, I never really liked that game much. Zelda games should never be side scrollers IMO. When it comes to Zelda I prefer a good top viewer and a 3rd person.

[GK Punk]

I love Adventure of Link. I have since It came out and I still do to this day. It's one of the few NES games I still play all the way through about once a year.

[Cure]

Zelda used to be THE game to get me super excited whenever a new one was announced. Not so much, anymore.

[Dr. Doom]

I typed a huge wall of text but I kinda got sick of looking at it when I tried reading through it so I've started over.

Just about everyone here knows my story on all this stuff. I started with OoT, have never played any of the 2D games outside of a tiny bit of Link's Awakening DX. For years, OoT was my favorite game of all time, and was eventually unseated by Twilight Princess, which I feel took the DNA of OoT and made something so much better than what it started as while simultaneously reminding us of what made it so great in the first place at every turn. Specifically, as Peanut made reference to, the boss fights in particular are probably the most enjoyable ones I've encountered in a video game so far. But everything else, the world, the music, the gameplay, the essence of the game just felt so perfect to me. I'm actually one of the only people that I can think of that enjoyed Wolf Link as well. I feel like if that wasn't something that I enjoyed thematically so much, the Twilight stuff probably would have been unpleasant to me as well, though I don't think quite as unpleasant as it was to some others.

OoT is still one of the best examples of a video game that you could ever present to somebody. It revolutionized the games that we've played for the past 12 years and the games we'll continue to play for years to come. But Twilight Princess is like if OoT were a car that completely changed the auto industry and they gave it a fresh new coat of paint and tuned up the engine to make it run even better than it did before. I'm sure I could make examples like this all day long.

Now I absolutely don't wanna sell Wind Waker short at all, it's also a phenomenal game, one of the best that's ever been made, but I guess it didn't quite grab me in the same way that Twilight Princess did. Not to say there's anything wrong with it, because there isn't. Everyone who hasn't played it should run out and play it immediately.

As for the upcoming game, well, we know **** all about it, so there kind of isn't anything to say. I'm really looking forward to it though, and I expect it to be outstanding. One thing I can say though is (as I noted I think in the Nintendo Thread) Mario Galaxy and more specifically its sequel have raised the bar for what we should all expect out of a soundtrack in a Nintendo game, if not a video game in general. Now Nintendo for a few years now has been treating their fans like they'll play any dog **** that's put in front of them, at least in my opinion, and as result I've pretty lost any faith I ever had in them and their ass-backwards attitude towards the video game industry these days. Still, there have always been those titles from the franchises that put them on the map that make owning their awful system worth it, such as Galaxy 2 with its outrageously wonderful music. But god help me, if they don't put (at the very least) a large amount of beautifully orchesrated music into this game it will officially become clear to me that Nintendo is the devil incarnate, come to earth to engulf every ounce of humanity's precious hope and joy in his insatiable inferno of hatred and despair, as opposed to simply being simply an arm of his hellish mechanations and therefore still subject to some of god's mercy.

Oh look, I've made another wall of text. Wasn't I about to go do something an hour and a half ago? Stupid Technodrome.

P.S.: As a side note, I think upon considering it, I've probably played through and beaten Ocarina of Time more than any other game worth counting, with the possible exception of Metal Gear Solid (that may very well depend on whether or not Twin Snakes counts, because I've gone through that like 3 times and haven't played the PSX version since it came out.)

P.P.S: After scrapping my first wall of text and trying to "simplify" my thoughts, I still ended up making a post about twice as large as anyone else's. Awesome.

[XERO]

I lovez me some Zelda. The series definitely deserve the moniker of 'Legend.'

The first Legend of Zelda on NES - This one has not aged well at all. I played and beat it last year for the first time, and it was a hellish deal. Either I just suck at it or it really became obsolete is the question. Nah... I just suck at it. After all, you had to find everything for yourself, even the damn first sword. I can practially hear GameFaqs laughing their asses off right now. Plus, you were actually limited to 250 Rupees. What the hell? That's like buying your own car, but you still need a bus pass. 9-9-9. Let's try that.

Adventure of Link - This one gets a lot of crap because it's the hardest of the games. And that's mostly due to those damn Iron Knuckles that are scattered throughout every dungeon. If you can't perfect that jump-and-attack trick, you can kiss your tunic-wearing ass goodbye. And the Great Palace remains one of the most difficult Zelda dungeons ever when it comes to exploration and navigation.

A Link to the Past - I don't care what ANYONE says. This will always be the best and most enjoyful Zelda game ever made. It's just perfect. From the music to the colorful graphics to the controls to the story itself. Not only that, the ending is pretty damn satisfying in itself. I mean, not only do you defeat Ganon:

You actually get the TriForce. Not a piece of it. Not a stupid devine hand tattoo. The WHOLE F*CKIN' TRIFORCE.

Yeah, kinda pointless to leave spoilers since this game is old, but I did it for the sake of people who hasn't beaten it yet.

I never got to play Link's Awakening, sadly. I know I'm missing out on a lot with this one, and I'm dying to know what the hell the Yoshi Doll does. :lol:

Ocarina of Time - I was already a Zelda fan before this came out, but this is the masterpiece that made me a lifelong follower. This started the folklore of Water Temples, which remain difficult levels in any Zelda game. Plus, this is the first Zelda game that actually scared me. Trying to get the Sun's Song in the Royal Family's Tomb was f*cking terrifying with all the cryptic messages on skeletons and sh*t. But, besides that, this game delivered. If Super Mario 64 revolutionized 3D gaming, this game immortalized 3D gaming.

Majora's Mask - That moon. That F*CKING scary moon. The only reason why I never finished this one. I plan on getting my comeuppance on this one real soon.

Wind Waker - This is what I'm talkin' about. This takes the position as my 2nd favorite Zelda game ever. Ever since the infamous change from realistic graphics to the cel-shaded art, this game has never really 'clicked'. But it did, to me. It's still Zelda. I mean, you got your Master Sword, your Hookshot, your Bow, your Hylian Shield. Hell, Link even TALKS in this one. And not only that, he delivers the most AWESOME and climactic final blow to Ganondorf in the most epic Zelda final battle in existence. Get past the graphics and marvel at this groundbreaker title. It's amazing.

And finally...

Twilight Princess - I'm one of the few true supporters of this title. As Peanut mentioned, the boss fights and dungeons are some of the best and most fun to complete (My personal favorite is the Arbiter's Grounds where you get to kick ass with a f*cking Spinner.) I'll admit the wolf parts did get tedious, but at least it was something different at the time. And if anything, it didn't help that Midna could be a complete bitch, too. Other than that and the MIDI music ripoff, it was a really great experience and one of the best games on the GameCube or Wii, however you played it. And I swear, the way Ganondorf dies... GANGSTA.

Well, those are my Zelda experiences and opinions so far. I really hope the new one coming out gives me something new and exciting to talk about.

[GK Punk]

The first Zelda had a 255 Rupies limit due to storage limitations on the cartridge at the time. The game couldn't recognize a number any higher than 255. (Think about how many times that number comes up in early NES games.)

[Duke]

The Wind Waker > all other Zelda titles

[XERO]

The first Zelda had a 255 Rupies limit due to storage limitations on the cartridge at the time. The game couldn't recognize a number any higher than 255. (Think about how many times that number comes up in early NES games.)

Haha, it's coming back to me now. Wasn't the save battery good for like 5 years or something like that?

And don't you just hate when you have to buy a item that's like 3/4 of your currency limit? And I mean that for ANY game.:x

[GK Punk]

That always drove me insane buying the Blue Ring in Zelda. It cost 250 Rupies. When the max is 255 that seems like a lot haha. I always tried to get it and the white sword before even going in to level one.

[Turo602]

Let's talk about time line.

Even though I know there is no actual time line since it has been confirmed, but I still like to believe there is one. It's just so annoying how close the games are and how connected OoT and TP were, and to know there is no connection, It just drives me crazy!

My thoughts and experiences with these games are coming soon...

[XERO]

Well, here's my chronological order. Up to my knowledge, anyway. :P

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Twilight Princess (Which is apparently in the time of the Adult Link of OoT)
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages
Minish Cap
Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
The Legend of Zelda
Adventure of Link
Four Sword Adventures

These are mostly just guesstimations, though, so sorry if I F'd up on most.

That always drove me insane buying the Blue Ring in Zelda. It cost 250 Rupies. When the max is 255 that seems like a lot haha. I always tried to get it and the white sword before even going in to level one.

Hell, I almost forgot where the Blue Ring was. I always kept passing it up. :lol:

Man... all this Zelda talk is making me wanna plow throught TP again...

[AquaParade]

I stopped playing twilight princess after the (pain in the arse) water temple. Not only was the game growing a tad stale for me, but my 360 was repaired around the same time8)

I'm thinkin about downing one of my roomies custom brownies and picking back up where I've left off. I've heard this game has a slow start...does anyone believe that extends to the water temple? I'd like to believe I have some legendary gaming to do today lol.

[Candy Kappa]

And the crappiest Zelda game award goes to, The Adventure of Link!:lol

I'd say the CD-i games gets that prize

[XERO]

I've heard this game has a slow start...does anyone believe that extends to the water temple? I'd like to believe I have some legendary gaming to do today lol.

Nah, it doesn't. The game really picks up after the Water Temple. Some of the subsequent dungeons will be truly creative when is comes to exceeding Zelda standards. Like I said before, the Arbiter's Grounds is a personal favorite of mine because of the weapon you pick up, and the boss fight following it is fun as ALL hell.

And if you ever played Ocarina of Time, you'll be happy to know that

The Temple of Time is now actually a dungeon itself.

I say that you go on and kick this game's ass, because it really does get better from that point on in the Water Temple.

[Peanut]

I think the only thing that's ever been confirmed, I think by Aonuma, about the Zelda timeline is that there is, in fact, two different ones.

When Link goes back to relive his childhood at the end of OoT, and ceases to exist in the "Adult" timeline, two different timelines are created. One with Link, and one without Link.

The Wind Waker timeline would be the one without Link, as it's stated at the beginning of the game that the Hero of Time disappears and is never seen again.

I know Zelda timeline stuff is dumb, and talked to death, but I really do love to go through tiny little things about the games in detail to find out where they could possibly fit. It's really fun.

[Dr. Doom]

I would have to concur.

[Turo602]

The Legend of Zelda: Well I only played this when I was young and I was never able to find the second dungeon. I know, sad, but I was only four or five. That and watching my brother pass it was my only experience with this game.

Zelda II The Adventure of Link: I never actually got to playing this game much since I thought it was really terrible, so I really can't say much for this game. It sucks because I would like to pass it just to know the story.

The Legend of Zelda A Link to the Past: I never played this game, but I plan to in the summer.

The Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening: I never played or owned this game. Damn!

The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time: I think this is one of the best Zelda games ever, it is just such an awesome classic. I passed this game in 2007 and in my first play through I managed to complete everything in the game even all the side quest. I don't know which game is better OoT, WW, or TP. There just so damn great. But I know I'll leave a slot open for this game again in the summer.

The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask: I started this game in 2007 right after TP, and OoT, but I never actually got to finishing it. All I needed was the last dungeon, but before passing it of course I wanted to complete all the side things and wanted to get all the objects too. The thing that got me submitted was that annoying Kafei mission, since then that game has been on hiatus, but It'll be passed later this year.

The Legend of Zelda Oracle of Seasons: I never played or owned this game. Damn!

The Legend of Zelda Oracle of Ages: I never played or owned this game. Damn!

The Legend of Zelda Four Swords: I have this game but I never played it and have one question. Can this game be played on the Gameboy player for the Gamcube?

The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker: I never got to pass this game and the last time I probably played this was in 2006 but I guarantee that this will be passed in the summer. I love the cell shaded style, It gets me kinda mad that it went on to the DS and doesn't look as nice but hopefully the 3DS can handle better graphics to make more cell shaded adventures for Link and keep the more realistic titles on the consoles. I also like how Link's eyes give you clues on where to go and I also like the fighting style and moves and damn I just want to play it again!

The Legend of Zelda Four Swords Adventure: I really loved this game and it was so fun playing with my older brother and sister. It was always funny fighting for treasures and rupees and seeing who was the best at the end. I also liked the Tingle mini games which also made a funny inside joke that stuck with Tingle since then. It was a good adventure with lot's to offer.

The Legend of Zelda The Minish Cap: This game was a very good Gameboy adventure that is a must have for GBA owners along with (Honorable Mention) Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission. I worked on this game for a while because I kept getting stuck from not paying too much attention to what was going on and for not playing it sometimes which got kinda annoying. The Vaati boss fight was the most annoying and hard. I'm surprised I actually beat him. I'm going to have to replay this game over the summer too so I could complete all the side quest.

The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess: This game is really awesome! It just keeps getting annoying how it makes me think to hard about the connection of OoT and TP. Especially that stalfos guy that teaches Link his moves. He was said to be one of the heroes that put Ganondorf away and he also has Link's sword and shield from Majora's Mask. But this game is so great and has some good boss fights and dungeons. I'm also one of the few people that actually enjoyed the wolf parts of the game.

The Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass: This was such a great DS Zelda adventure. I never thought there would be a Zelda game on the DS before. This is one of the few DS games that actually has quality like Super Mario 64 DS. I liked that they brought back a fairy for toon Link. I also like the originality it had. It also had pretty clever puzzles and dungeons.

The Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks: I do own this game but I haven't played it yet. This will be my first game of the summer. I hope it's going to be one great adventure, and I'm kinda happy they pulled away from the whole water thing.

I think the only thing that's ever been confirmed, I think by Aonuma, about the Zelda timeline is that there is, in fact, two different ones.

When Link goes back to relive his childhood at the end of OoT, and ceases to exist in the "Adult" timeline, two different timelines are created. One with Link, and one without Link.

The Wind Waker timeline would be the one without Link, as it's stated at the beginning of the game that the Hero of Time disappears and is never seen again.

I know Zelda timeline stuff is dumb, and talked to death, but I really do love to go through tiny little things about the games in detail to find out where they could possibly fit. It's really fun.

Yeah me too. But in the beginning of Wind Waker it does state "This is but one of the many Legends". But yeah I understand what you're talking about, It bugs me so much to not know the actual time line or if there even is one at all.

[XERO]

The Wind Waker timeline would be the one without Link, as it's stated at the beginning of the game that the Hero of Time disappears and is never seen again.

Maybe that's because he's like, dead by that time. :P

Besides, isn't Wind Waker set a few centuries after OoT? Plus, I always felt that TP was OoT Adult Link's timeline.

I dunno, maybe it's just the Hylians being naive about it.

[Peanut]

Maybe that's because he's like, dead by that time. :P

Besides, isn't Wind Waker set a few centuries after OoT? Plus, I always felt that TP was OoT Adult Link's timeline.

I dunno, maybe it's just the Hylians being naive about it.

The legend says he disappears right after Ganon is defeated, not over time. Which fits into what happens in OoT perfectly.

And yes, it is set long after OoT, why does that make a difference? And no, it's commonly believed that TP is child Link's timeline.

[XERO]

Either way, it still gets confusing to some people.

[Dr. Doom]

This is all making me want to play a Zelda game very badly. As much as I really should go back and play OoT or WW again, or beat Majora's Mask in the first place, I have a feeling I'd just end up playing Twilight Princess again.

[Turo602]

This is all making me want to play a Zelda game very badly. As much as I really should go back and play OoT or WW again, or beat Majora's Mask in the first place, I have a feeling I'd just end up playing Twilight Princess again.

LOL, I feel that way too.

[Samhain]

Shockingly, I have never gotten to even play a Zelda game. I will be getting a Wii soon, recomendations?

[Duke]

Shockingly, I have never gotten to even play a Zelda game. I will be getting a Wii soon, recomendations?The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker for GCN.

[ThirdMarioBro]

This is all making me want to play a Zelda game very badly. As much as I really should go back and play OoT or WW again, or beat Majora's Mask in the first place, I have a feeling I'd just end up playing Twilight Princess again.

I would too if I had the time. Its just so damn good.

[XERO]

Hell, I'd play for you if I could, TMB. :)

[Turo602]

Shockingly, I have never gotten to even play a Zelda game. I will be getting a Wii soon, recomendations?

Dude you should check out

Metroid Prime Trilogy
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Smash Bros Brawl
New Super Mario bros Wii

These are like must haves for the Wii. But It's your choice you know.:)

[XERO]

And if you stock up on Wii points, I say you should start off on Ocarina of Tme.

[Storm Eagle]

Zelda II: The Adventure of Link gets so much crap, and of course that had to be the first Zelda game I ever owned.

I was a late bloomer and got an NES Action Set (the one with the Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt cartridge and the red NES Zapper) in late 1989, and then asked for Zelda II for Christmas, mainly because of the Zelda cartoon in the Super Mario Bros. Super Show. It was a whim decision, really. A lot of people were saying it sucked, but I still enjoyed it. Though the only part that really irked me was fighting Thunderbird in the Great Palace. I was so happy when I finally got rid of him.

I got the first Zelda game in 1991 for my birthday. After that, I got all the other Zelda games in the order which they were released. Of course I didn't bother with the CD-i games, and I'll just pretend they don't exist.

My best Zelda memories would be with Zelda II, since that was the first game in the series I ever owned. Then there was Link's Awakening and Ocarina of Time. All the other games are good too, but those are the three that stand out in my mind.