Was it confirmed the new series was 2D or CG?

[CyberCubed]

I now cannot remember if the show being CG was just speculation that got taken as fact or if that was really stated somewhere.

Is the Nick show going to be a regular cartoon or will it be CG? Do we know for sure?

[Eiko]

Last i heard it was still going to be CG.

[CyberCubed]

Last i heard it was still going to be CG.

But like I said, where did this, "news" originate first?

I now cannot recall if it was a rumor that got passed off as fact along the way.

[Roseangelo]

But like I said, where did this, "news" originate first?

I now cannot recall if it was a rumor that got passed off as fact along the way.

This was confirmed in the press release that announced Nick's purchase of the TMNT.

[Spitfire]

The thing is we've heard nothing since the buy out about what the series will be. It could end up being 2D after all. A lot can change in a year. Could also just be wishful thinking...

[Eiko]

It would great if it was going to be 2D can only hope.

[Candy Kappa]

The hate on CGI is just stupid

[BubblyShell22]

It doesn't matter to me whether it's 2D or CG. Just as long as the plot is good and the characters are good.

[VaughnMichael]

The hate on CGI is just stupid
Really? I've yet to see good CGI on TV.

[Candy Kappa]

Really? I've yet to see good CGI on TV.

The hate seems to be on CG itself, so I'm gonna post a couple of CGI shows that have good 3D renders

Beast Wars (it was good for it's time)
Pocoyo
Clone Wars
Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends
Elias the little rescue boat
Father of the Pride

All have good qualities in animation, render, style, visual effects

[sdp]

Its only been stated in the press release when Nick bought he turtles, we've heard nothing since then. The only thing that hasn't been stated yet many are assuming as fact is that the new show will use OT characters but be more serious but that has never been stated. I mean it makes sense the OT is the most popular incarnation and all cartoons are more serious now than they were in the 90s but its still speculation.

Really? I've yet to see good CGI on TV.

Clone Wars, you may not like the character designs (based on Samurai Jack's Genndy Tartakovsky) but the CG is great. And Kiwamu is right there are plenty of shows that had great CG for the time though now may look dated. Also CG gets better with time, look at how much of a difference just some years had on the show reboot, the improvement is huge. I think TMNT 2007 looks amazing and that movie will be 5 years old when the new show comes out in 2012, thats a long time in computer years, it wouldn't surprise me if the show looks as good as TMNT 2007.

I'm 100% that when the designs are revealed people are going to bash it because its CG like we haven't known for the past two years that it was going to be CG. CG show designs always seems to have that affect, well most of the time. In fact I'm sure people will confuse character design with the quality of the CG with comments like "The CG sucks", while the CG might be good and they might not like the character designs. The same happens in 2D animation and people often mention "The animation sucks" but the animation is amazing what they don't like is the character designs, a recent example would be Spectacular Spiderman.

[CyberCubed]

The only thing that hasn't been stated yet many are assuming as fact is that the new show will use OT characters but be more serious but that has never been stated. I mean it makes sense the OT is the most popular incarnation and all cartoons are more serious now than they were in the 90s but its still speculation.

Its rather obvious they'll at least use Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and likely the Technodrome. They're some of the most well known characters and PL isn't around to prevent them from using them.

Otherwise I agree we may not see any other OT characters, and Splinter's origin could go either way, but I'm sure Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady are shoe-in's at the very least.

[Candy Kappa]

but there are a couple of concern I have, one is Splinter and his fur. Fur simulation is no walk in the park, and I doubt they'll use the same quality as Pixar and Dreamworks when it comes to Fur renders.

The other is not a huge concern, age. It's very depending of visualization, what render they're gonna use and how fluid the animation is. But CGI can easily age less gracefully like 2D animation

[Redeemer]

Ill be the first to admit, I don't like CGI, the only character design cgi I have ever liked was Beast Wars.

[Roseangelo]

Its rather obvious they'll at least use Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and likely the Technodrome.

You can speculate all you like, but there is absolutely nothing about this show that can be stated as "rather obvious" when absolutely nothing about it has actually been revealed.

[Donnie]

You can speculate all you like, but there is absolutely nothing about this show that can be stated as "rather obvious" when absolutely nothing about it has actually been revealed.

Yeah, or at least I hope so. I have high hopes for this cartoon...don't spoil them with Bebop and Rocksteady! :tcry:

[Candy Kappa]

Ill be the first to admit, I don't like CGI, the only character design cgi I have ever liked was Beast Wars.

goes this for CGI as a whole or for 3D render movies and shows?

:P

[gobo]

Beast Wars (it was good for it's time)
Pocoyo
Clone Wars
Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends
Elias the little rescue boat
Father of the Pride
Try naming one that Nick's actually responsible for. I dare ya. I double dog dare you! :evilgrin:

[Candy Kappa]

Try naming one that Nick's actually responsible for. I dare ya. I double dog dare you! :evilgrin:

Fanboy and Chum Chum

[gobo]

Fanboy and Chum Chum
Never heard of it. Consensus stands... CGI = teh suck.

[Spitfire]

My problem with CGI animation made for TV series is while it might not look bad initially it will in 4 or 5 years. Reboot and Beast Wars both look awful to me. When I was a kid they looked fine but they did not age well. 2D animation however looks good forever, granted it's done well to begin with.

[CyberCubed]

If it looks as good as the 2007 movie did, I'll be perfectly fine with that as a regular series.

[Koi]

Fanboy and Chum Chum

If not that that penguin show, with king Julian the lemur.

[Jester]

We know Rob Paulsen is back as Donatello, can we get anymore info on the cast, or is that still "hush hush"?

[Koi]

We know Rob Paulsen is back as Donatello, can we get anymore info on the cast, or is that still "hush hush"?

Evey time I read that Rob Paulson is doing Don's voice, I can't help but picture Don with Carl Wheezer's voice.

[CyberCubed]

Sounds like the show won't be ready till 2012, probably next summer....

[oldmanwinters]

Even if that's the case, I care not. At this point I welcome any speculation, news, or otherwise, whether true or false. I'm desperate.


This is a signature worthy statement.:tsmile:

[gobo]

Powder made a funny. :P

[Jester]

Powder made a funny. :P
I'll just leave this here....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/PDVD_013.jpg

[Redeemer]

Fanboy and Chum Chum

I think Jimmy Nutron and Planet Sheen were also CGI if I remember correctly. But didn't like either way the shows looked.

[deadpoolRKO]

My brain is going 100mph after reading all this. :D

[Candy Kappa]

I think Jimmy Nutron and Planet Sheen were also CGI if I remember correctly. But didn't like either way the shows looked.

Not seen Planet Sheen, and I didn't include Jimmy Nutron cause it looks really amateurish. I've seen better student work that was used as negative examples in lectures I attend to.

[tone-master21]

I email Cam Clarke a couple of weeks ago to see if he was going to be on the new TMNT show and here is what he said:

the answer is a big fat no. i wasnt even given the oppurtunity to audition. they didnt want to see me apparently. go figure, right? watcha gonna do?
thanks for your interest,
cam clarke

[Koi]

I was expecting a children's show, after what he said... I still expect a children's show.

[sdp]

Every TMNT cartoon so far have been children shows.

[Walkabout]

Reading this stuff PUMPS ME UP.

:tlol:

[Bjarni]

I was expecting a children's show, after what he said... I still expect a children's show.

It's Nickelodeon, not Adult Swim.

[Avatar Yuffie]

It's Nickelodeon, not Adult Swim.

They also made Avatar The Last Airbender. It's a kid's show. But a very good one that respects kids' intelligence that teenagers/adults can enjoy watching.

[oldmanwinters]

Hmm... been thinking about what the TMNT would look like in the Teen Titans DC Animated style.

Looks like somebody else has put those concepts into application:
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38bc3q
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38bp4t
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38qd5m
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38uqxv

[gobo]

http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38bc3q
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38bp4t
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38qd5m
http://jamce.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38uqxv
O_o I somehow expect those are ©Nickelodeon.

[Cure]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KevMan87/the_ninja_turtles_2_by_jamce-d38qd5m.jpg

That looks pretty awesome. I'd like it if it were in this style.

[PizzaPower]

this is kinda out there. I know peter disowned venus but nick has the rights now so cant they bring her back? or add new turtles? anything, i mean **** it is theres now!

[FearlessLeader]

this is kinda out there. I know peter disowned venus but nick has the rights now so cant they bring her back? or add new turtles? anything, i mean **** it is theres now!

I was thinking this as I was looking at all the fan art above. Not that I really think they would but they could change the guy bandana colors or weapons if they wanted to, and that's just cosmetic stuff.

Kind of like how someone earlier in this thread I think mentioned Nick giving the guys girlfriends.

As much as I understand why he sold, I miss Peter. At least I knew where he stood and what to expect from him.

[Koi]

I am actually really ok with those designs.

[Kendamu]

I doubt they'll change too much of what Turtles are at the very core of the matter. Sure, from what we understand, there'll be more "Teenage" to it than before, but there's a lot of brand recognition that needs to be kept intact for the parents (who grew up on TMNT) to know what they're looking at when kids say, "Buy me this useless piece of plastic, wallet slave!"

[Venom]

"Buy me this useless piece of plastic, wallet slave!"

LMAO!! Oh God I love it! :tlol:

[Koi]

but there's a lot of brand recognition that needs to be kept intact for the parents (who grew up on TMNT)

I don't think to many parents would frankly care. Anyway it will just be the same darn plots with different filler. I frankly can't wait for all the filler.

[Ninjinister]

Anyway it will just be the same darn plots with different filler.

http://tkware.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/citation_needed_bumper_sticker-p128912061722662976trl0_400.jpg

[deadpoolRKO]

those designs are sweet. I can see them using something like that.


also

"Buy me this useless piece of plastic, wallet slave!"

lmao

[Spitfire]

Don't really care for that style. I don't like that anime influenced Teen Titans look. I can't even imagine what that will look like if it's CG on top of it. They look like frogs.

I also read the description on Splinter where it said he goes out at night to fight crime and passes the job onto the turtles. I guess they really are going for a hybrid of the OT and the other stuff.

[Roseangelo]

Don't really care for that style. I don't like that anime influenced Teen Titans look. I can't even imagine what that will look like if it's CG on top of it. They look like frogs.

I also read the description on Splinter where it said he goes out at night to fight crime and passes the job onto the turtles. I guess they really are going for a hybrid of the OT and the other stuff.

Those designs aren't for the actual series. Professionals don't post stuff that's in development on Deviant art. :trolleye:

[Spitfire]

His idea was for a pitch, according to his post. I assume since the pilot is already finished that whatever design they went with has been picked and he was given clearance to post his stuff. I also guessed that little plot point was something they either wanted to do or he wanted to do for his pitch.

A side question though. Do you ever post on here to do something besides correct people with the utmost smugness?

[Candy Kappa]

His idea was for a pitch, according to his post. I assume since the pilot is already finished that whatever design they went with has been picked and he was given clearance to post his stuff. I also guessed that little plot point was something they either wanted to do or he wanted to do for his pitch.

A side question though. Do you ever post on here to do something besides correct people with the utmost smugness?

his idea was purely fan made

that he wants to pitch it to nick seems more recent then the actual designs

[oldmanwinters]

Wow, I'm always surprised how somebody (me in this case) can post an example of fan art (taking care to note it as such), and yet everybody just starts assuming it's the real deal over the next couple of days!

Come on, peeps, context is key! :lol:

[Powder]

Ugh, imagine if they were? I think that would be the first time I'd actually consider not watching a turtle program.
Mind you this is coming from someone who likes both TNM & the christmas special.

[oldmanwinters]

Ugh, imagine if they were? I think that would be the first time I'd actually consider not watching a turtle program.
Mind you this is coming from someone who likes both TNM & the christmas special.

I do like the creativity of these pieces of fan art, but I agree I wouldn't want to see an official show featuring these designs. I wonder if there will be a trend trying to make the turtles more froglike in the coming years. Also, I'm guessing they will increasingly be portrayed as having abdominal muscles on their plastrons.

[PizzaPower]

is that really nick's art?

[Redeemer]

is that really nick's art?

No its not, only fan art from what "oldmanwinters" said and he is the one who posted them, so no. And someone already made a good point of professional not posting official designs on a sight like Devient Art

[PizzaPower]

yes thats true, but i have seen it before..... soooo

[Candy Kappa]

the design are nice, but I do prefer Cheeks actual (and not a copy) fan re-design of the turtles. less shiny, turtles forever and enough shiny bandannas for a century :P

[Koi]

Wow, I'm always surprised how somebody (me in this case) can post an example of fan art (taking care to note it as such), and yet everybody just starts assuming it's the real deal over the next couple of days!

Come on, peeps, context is key! :lol:


Not everyone is assuming it's the real deal. People were just critiquing it. So far I have seen one person who actually thought it was real.

[Redeemer]

the design are nice, but I do prefer Cheeks actual (and not a copy) fan re-design of the turtles. less shiny, turtles forever and enough shiny bandannas for a century :P

This is true:lol:

[Spitfire]

his idea was purely fan made

that he wants to pitch it to nick seems more recent then the actual designs

Right I knew it wasn't official, and never said it was, I just commented that I thought the style would look horrid in 3D. It would look like TMNT almost with how lanky they are. Given what he said plot wise it sounds like something a revamp for turtles would entail. It's a mix of the OT and 2K3. If he actually was pitching, or had pitched, that was probably based off what he was told to do. Who knows though. With so little info on this new series it's impossible to know what they're really doing.

[PizzaPower]

it would be very terrible, lol.

[Candy Kappa]

Right I knew it wasn't official, and never said it was, I just commented that I thought the style would look horrid in 3D. It would look like TMNT almost with how lanky they are. Given what he said plot wise it sounds like something a revamp for turtles would entail. It's a mix of the OT and 2K3. If he actually was pitching, or had pitched, that was probably based off what he was told to do. Who knows though. With so little info on this new series it's impossible to know what they're really doing.

I think the designs could (with some tweaking) be done well in 3D, just remove all that glossy gear. At least, his coloring makes it look extremely glossy

[PizzaPower]

i dont want to watch the teen titens as the turtles, lol.

[Candy Kappa]

One question...How are they going around the turtles using their weapons?

probably the same as 4Kids did it

[Sabacooza]

Those designs look about as good as "Back to the Sewer" which to say, wasn't very good. I've seen tons of fan art that would be better suited but to each their own. Thank God this is just fan art and nothing more. If the new show ended up looking like this, I think I'd pass.

[CyberCubed]

I think its laughable that people really thing the Turtles will look so different than any other incarnation. They probably won't look all that different than the various cartoons.

What I wonder is if they'll have their initials on their belts like the OT....

[PizzaPower]

they are going to look epic.

[Jester]

My concern is the story right now. I can get past character designs if the story is really engaging.

[PizzaPower]

jester! <3


the story is always the main body.

[cartoonistaaron]

I think its laughable that people really thing the Turtles will look so different than any other incarnation. They probably won't look all that different than the various cartoons.

What I wonder is if they'll have their initials on their belts like the OT....

Yeah, I agree. Nickelodeon didn't shell out sixty million just for the name recognition. They're bound to look fairly similar to the classic Turtle design.

Frankly, and I know I'm gonna get beaten down for this, but I wouldn't mind if they converted the classic 1987 cartoon designs to CG. Those are good, charming designs, and as long as they keep them from becoming too chubby, those designs could be used for humor, action, etc. Maybe add a little more texture to the kneepads and elbow pads.

Whatever they do, it's going to be a little weird knowing neither Eastman nor Laird was involved. I'm excited to see what they come up with. If it looks cool, I'll watch it. If I don't like it, I won't. I'd like some cool toys, though!

(And I don't know if I should admit this but I really like Fanboy and Chum Chum! I think the character designs - and how they come across in CG - are pretty cool!)

[oldmanwinters]

Frankly, and I know I'm gonna get beaten down for this, but I wouldn't mind if they converted the classic 1987 cartoon designs to CG. Those are good, charming designs, and as long as they keep them from becoming too chubby, those designs could be used for humor, action, etc. Maybe add a little more texture to the kneepads and elbow pads.

If somebody's gonna beat you down, then they gotta go through me first, dude! Yeah, I think a CGI treatment of the Old Toon style would be awesome!

[cartoonistaaron]

Those designs aren't for the actual series. Professionals don't post stuff that's in development on Deviant art. :trolleye:

Yeah, they do - though not in this case.

[gobo]

Frankly, and I know I'm gonna get beaten down for this, but I wouldn't mind if they converted the classic 1987 cartoon designs to CG. Those are good, charming designs, and as long as they keep them from becoming too chubby, those designs could be used for humor, action, etc. Maybe add a little more texture to the kneepads and elbow pads.
Actually, that's what I've been expecting all along.

[Volvagia]

Frankly, and I know I'm gonna get beaten down for this, but I wouldn't mind if they converted the classic 1987 cartoon designs to CG. Those are good, charming designs, and as long as they keep them from becoming too chubby, those designs could be used for humor, action, etc. Maybe add a little more texture to the kneepads and elbow pads.
:tthumbsu: This is what I want Nick to do.

[PizzaPower]

i highly doubt that they are going to re-do the OT even jus convert it to CGI. Nick is working on something, and lets just hope its good.

[Powder]

I'd love it if they used the designs for the WB show that never was. A perfect mix of OT & mirage.

[Spitfire]

I did like how the turtles looked. Didn't like anyone else though. Splinter was okay but Casey and April looked weird. Didn't dig Shredder's armor much either.

[PizzaPower]

I'd love it if they used the designs for the WB show that never was. A perfect mix of OT & mirage.
i saw a spoof of the WB turtles on youtube. I think it would have been GREAT!!!!

[oldmanwinters]

i saw a spoof of the WB turtles on youtube. I think it would have been GREAT!!!!

Spoof? Or do you mean the actual animatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8) from the proposed WB concept?

[cartoonistaaron]

Spoof? Or do you mean the actual animatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8) from the proposed WB concept?

How come I've never seen this?? I love it!! This would have kicked ass!!! Aww man!

On one hand, I hate seeing stuff like that because you realize how cool it COULD have been. On the other hand, it's great to see that somebody had some ideas with genuine charm and style, unlike the bland 2k3 TMNT show.

[Jester]

How come I've never seen this?? I love it!! This would have kicked ass!!! Aww man!

On one hand, I hate seeing stuff like that because you realize how cool it COULD have been. On the other hand, it's great to see that somebody had some ideas with genuine charm and style, unlike the bland 2k3 TMNT show.

I came across it when i posted the test run of the fan-made motion comic of TMNT vol 1 issue 1.

[Koi]

Spoof? Or do you mean the actual animatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8) from the proposed WB concept?

The music... all I could think about was Antz throughout the entire thing.

[VaughnMichael]

Spoof? Or do you mean the actual animatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8) from the proposed WB concept?
Woah I've never seen that before either!
Pretty wild, sort of reminds me of the Maxx cartoon Mtv did years ago.

[PizzaPower]

Spoof? Or do you mean the actual animatic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM76I2_4mK8) from the proposed WB concept?
yes thats what i mean i have seen. mhmm its pretty awesome!

[gobo]

I came across it when i posted the test run of the fan-made motion comic of TMNT vol 1 issue 1.
It seemed to have been freshly uploaded when you found it too. ^_^

[Toon]

How come I've never seen this?? I love it!! This would have kicked ass!!! Aww man!

On one hand, I hate seeing stuff like that because you realize how cool it COULD have been. On the other hand, it's great to see that somebody had some ideas with genuine charm and style, unlike the bland 2k3 TMNT show.

Preach. But, all is not lost...

[Jephael]

I just went through this entire thread and it's got me really excited about the new series!

[cartoonistaaron]

Preach. But, all is not lost...

Man, I hope not. I know I'm not the target audience (I'm 31 years old after all) but I'd still like to see a cool, kinda gritty / kinda rock-n-roll TMNT cartoon. The best way I can think to describe it would be the packaging art of the 1988 series action figures, come to life.

(Or, barring that, a CG version of the 1987 series, because you can't go wrong with Krang.)

My only hopes are that 1) the character designs aren't too far off-base and 2) they don't turn it into a soap opera. Otherwise, I'm excited!

[PizzaPower]

i hope we see all the characters from the old toon in the new show, would be awesome!

[Kendamu]

Man, I hope not. I know I'm not the target audience (I'm 31 years old after all) but I'd still like to see a cool, kinda gritty / kinda rock-n-roll TMNT cartoon. The best way I can think to describe it would be the packaging art of the 1988 series action figures, come to life.


This is about where I stand. I prefer "Rock'n'Roll Grit" over anything when it comes to TMNT because that sort of grit can be taken in any direction and still be true to the idea.

Also, I've expressed my "Playmated TMNT packaging come to life" desire quite a few times.

It's hard to imagine it being super gritty in CGI, but I'll just have to wait and see.

[sdp]

If we ever got the Playmates packaging art as a cartoon I'd be able to die happy.

[PizzaPower]

shoot i wonder if playmates will still be doing the TMNT toys. I really hope they do, they put so much work and detail into them.

[Powder]

shoot i wonder if playmates will still be doing the TMNT toys.

Yes, they are.

I really hope they do, they put so much work and detail into them.

You gotta be f*cking joking me. Have you bought a turtle toy since 2003?

[Bjarni]

You gotta be f*cking joking me. Have you bought a turtle toy since 2003?

I don't understand why they changed up the toys so much. I guess they started working with another toy factory overseas or something? The best thing about the 25th anniversary was getting those gritty, detailed action figures back on the market. I hope to ALL GOD LIKE ENTITIES that they return to that format with the future releases.


I loved the old Turtle figures so much that I started buying the new ones when they came out. I only own a couple from the 2003 series and a couple from the 2007 movie (and except for the 2007 Splinter) they all look like crap compared to the Scumbugs and the Wyrms and the Boanfrogs and Panda Khans lined around them.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't understand why they changed up the toys so much.

to fit the modern show. The old toys didn't follow the old show that accurate as the 200x toys did. Even toon based characters was fitted to go with the more grit/comic inspired toys

[Bjarni]

Even toon based characters was fitted to go with the more grit/comic inspired toys
True.

I still think the new show and the new movie could have featured a LITTLE bit more detail in the figure. One of the things I liked the most about the older action figures was seeing the veins.

[Shellsweet]

So Nick is still going for CGI?

WELL, not for nothing their CGI animation isn't THAT terrible to deserve so much hate. I am concerned how they would tackle it, and I think it would be a safe move to do 2d Animation instead. xD;

But I'm VERY optimistic about it.

I just want to look forward to every week for a new TMNT episode. XD
As long as it has a good plot and Keep the Characters we know and love, I'll be a happy fan.

*keeps fingers crossed*

[Powder]

Regarding those pieces of "concept art", the artist said on DA (mind you, I'm paraphrasing here) that "his 'guy' at Nick submissions said that those designs may be exactly what they're looking for".

Put a knife in my d*ck & call me Sarah.

Honestly, I think I would boycott the show. I realllllllllyyyyyyyyy hate those designs.

[TheCanadiandrome]

My concern is the story right now. I can get past character designs if the story is really engaging.

i'm kinda mixed on both

[Jephael]

Regarding those pieces of "concept art", the artist said on DA (mind you, I'm paraphrasing here) that "his 'guy' at Nick submissions said that those designs may be exactly what they're looking for".

Put a knife in my d*ck & call me Sarah.

Honestly, I think I would boycott the show. I realllllllllyyyyyyyyy hate those designs.

I have to disagree. I like those drawings. Infact I have one of them as my desktop wallpaper right now.

[VaughnMichael]

Regarding those pieces of "concept art", the artist said on DA (mind you, I'm paraphrasing here) that "his 'guy' at Nick submissions said that those designs may be exactly what they're looking for".

Put a knife in my d*ck & call me Sarah.

Honestly, I think I would boycott the show. I realllllllllyyyyyyyyy hate those designs.
I don't know if I'd stick a knife in my um yeah..but anyway I dislike those designs a great deal also.
and I'm pretty game for anything besides lizard looking turtles like the last movie.

[PizzaPower]

Yes, they are.



You gotta be f*cking joking me. Have you bought a turtle toy since 2003?
actually when 2k3 show came out and the figures first came out they where done really well.

[Powder]

actually when 2k3 show came out and the figures first came out they where done really well.

That's exactly my point... 2003 (and maybe the following year) were the last time they actually looked good.