5 missing old tmnt toon episodes?

[Nickokapo]

Ok first of all this is a rumor so dont freak out yet and do go passing this as a fact
Well i've readed at the ninja turtles network site that there might be 5 missing episodes...pretty cool that'd make the toon have 198 eps...um, 197 if ya count that 2 parter episode as one.
Either way, what do you guys think? :) IMO i think its possible since deathknight has been saying the euro episodes were made years before they were aired, so there might be episodes that were made but not aired, if this is true that'd be great news.
*edit* of course, they could actually be rejected episodes that werent made, but who knows?
I dont think i can contact anyone to confirm this, i'd email mr.berger but im not sure i wanna bug him, he might know nothing about all this :ohwell:

[Raven]

it would be cool if there were missing eps

then there would be a anther reason for them to
air the old eps

[Nickokapo]

Yeah...that's what worries me actually, that if there are episodes they wont be aired now since they werent aired back then! :ohwell: But this is pretty interesting nonetheless...what with the new toon being aired and all we old toon tmnt fans might get lucky ;)

[Nturtle]

Yeah I read about these on NTN!! That sounds preetycool, I figure they would have to be preet lousy eps to be scraped like that though :P
The only way I think we might get to see them is if they release them on DVD as a bonus maybe... Or if they are shown on Fox for some reason,

[Nickokapo]

Yeah i havent thought about the dvd release, but it sounds like a good idea...like when movies have the cutted scenes as extras, these extras could be the rejected episodes :D now the more reason for me to want old toon dvds
But we dont even know if they exist yet...sigh :p
The other chance would be fox airing em yup, i think they have the rights to the tmnt airings or something, but i dont know about that.

[Duke]

That would be great if there were missing eps. Not the fact that they are missing but that there are more eps. Does anyone know if this eps exist where would they fit into the old show? Like are they red sky or old fox eps?

[Raven]

I hope there are more eps that are missing

but good question red sky or that other one

[Duke]

I emailed one of the original animators yesterday and he said sorry but he was clueless.

[Nturtle]

Hmmm... methinks the best place to go about this would be FHE or whatever its called now

[Nickokapo]

Judging for what was said in the ninja turtles network main page (the episodes were lacking in the action departament and focused more on the humor) i couuld bet they're not red sky eps.
To that i say YAY :P
Now about FHE, family home entertainment only released the home videos, so i doubt they would have anything to do, you could ask them if they are going to release the lost episodes on video, but there's the chance that they have no idea the episodes where even made, they just release them on video.
Contacting an animator was a smart move, but if they didnt know nothing about this there might be 2 possibilities, that you got the wrong animator, or that the episodes were indeed written but never animated.
Or they might not even exist at all.
Again, remember this is just a rumor.

[SavantiRomero]

Mike or was it Mark Wolfe would know.

Wolf Studios.

[Nickokapo]

Yeah, murakami swolf swenson animated it (it's one of my fave animation studios actually, they animated my 2 most favorite toons, tmnt and toxic crusaders :) )
I've heard it doesnt exists anymore, so good luck locating it :oops: tho if any of you do and can contact em, that'd rock.

[Jephael]

They went out of business? I guess that explains why Artisan owns the original series, otherwise Mirage would've regained the rights to it.

[Nickokapo]

Yup!At least that's what i've read over here...i'll try find more info about this, but im kinda sure they did as i havent seen any new animations from em.

[azure turtle]

It'd be sweet if there really were missing episodes. Hmm... I can't think of where they may fit in, however. :ohwell:

[Nturtle]

My guess is somewhere between 1989 and 1993

[azure turtle]

I think you're right, Nturtle. Not unless they're red sky eps that were supposed to be some sort of finale. I don't know how the last episdoe ended.

[Nturtle]

Well I searched the Library of Congress' online archives for an hour+

The history of my exploits is documented in the General TMNT discussion, so.... ONWORD HO!!!! *cracks his whip and snow dogs pull him along*

[Nickokapo]

I don't think, if they indeed existed, that the episodes would be red sky ones because it is rumored they're more humorous than anything...but it's possible
Well I searched the Library of Congress' online archives for an hour+
Any luck? :D All i found in my library a couple of years ago was a tmnt tape with ratking's episode in it (they had a bunch of tapes including cartoon ones)

[Nturtle]

Nope...
Although the Library of Congress has a HELLUVA lot of TMNT stuff, it didn't have any new episodes as promised.. except for one called "Michaelangelo messes up" which it listed under 1991 but isn't on the official site I think. There were 2 other episodes on there that I found were listed under 1991 but on the official sitee were under 1990, somebody screwed up...

And there was none called "shredder in love" I think the dude who said so was pulling our leg, but anyways, someday, I'll just go to the Library of Congress and watch TMNT all day!! :lol:

[Nickokapo]

:D
Yeah it is likely he was pulling someone's leg, specially now that the new toon reminded people of the old one and stuff...i'm not buying it untill i see proof tho, i just thought it was a pretty interesting rumor.
As for michaelangelo messes up, it's either one of the eps or they 'messed up' on the title :) remember there was an episode called muckman messes up, maybe since they both started with an 'm' they confused it with michaelangelo.

[Nturtle]

Yeah most likely,

Yup the Library of Congress probably just made a typo... like FIL!!! :lol: Best NWO sig ever!!!

Well I hope Vegita-san sees this thread if he ever comes on here.

[Nickokapo]

Yeah...he has only read it but maybe he can give us some more info!
MUST...HAVE...INPUT :D
Well if it was the same library than the guy went to then i guess the eps werent listed there afterall
BTW your sig ownz :) i might do a NFO sig for myself soon heh

[GK Punk]

Yeah...he has only read it but maybe he can give us some more info!
MUST...HAVE...INPUT :D
Well if it was the same library than the guy went to then i guess the eps werent listed there afterall
BTW your sig ownz :) i might do a NFO sig for myself soon heh

*gasps

YOU ARE JUMPING SHIP??? TRAITOR!!!

Well I guess it's up to me Leo and Donna to lead this thing in to the future...

[Nickokapo]

:lol: Yes!Worship fil dammit :evilgrin:
Aight due to my laziness i might leave this one anyways, changing just felt right because i was more of a hanger-on than anything since i dont RP or anything :)

[GK Punk]

:lol: Yes!Worship fil dammit :evilgrin:
Aight due to my laziness i might leave this one anyways, changing just felt right because i was more of a hanger-on than anything since i dont RP or anything :)

aww but we wubs ya anyways!!

[Nickokapo]

Yay, i wubz j00 t00 guys :anime:
Now going back to the topic so this doesnt suffer any changes :P i'll check googles newsgroup thing later as i dont have newsgroup access (i blame it on my crappy isp :tgrumble: )

[GK Punk]

Yay, i wubz j00 t00 guys :anime:
Now going back to the topic so this doesnt suffer any changes :P i'll check googles newsgroup thing later as i dont have newsgroup access (i blame it on my crappy isp :tgrumble: )

Who was it who said there was 5 missings eps anyways? (im sorry you probably already said this, Im just tired and feeling lazy)

[Krang]

Here's (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&th=c899e0bbe500bced&seekm=35Ala.246%24y16.156%40newssvr16.news.prodigy .com&frame=off) the newsgroup thread that mentions the 5 missing eps. Also, I found this info from the copyright database at loc.gov:

Registration Number: PAu-1-533-396
Title: Shredder's in love.
Series: Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Note: Television script.
Claimant: Scott Hilley
Created: 1991
Registered: 5Aug91
Author on © Application: Scott Hilley.
Special Codes: 3/D

[GK Punk]

Here's (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&th=c899e0bbe500bced&seekm=35Ala.246%24y16.156%40newssvr16.news.prodigy .com&frame=off) the newsgroup thread that mentions the 5 missing eps. Also, I found this info from the copyright database at loc.gov:

Registration Number: PAu-1-533-396
Title: Shredder's in love.
Series: Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Note: Television script.
Claimant: Scott Hilley
Created: 1991
Registered: 5Aug91
Author on © Application: Scott Hilley.

Wow, cool Krang.. thanks for the info I have a question... do you think they could have copywrote the script with out producing it as an ep?
Special Codes: 3/D

[Nturtle]

Ah Ha!!
Thanks Krang!

I doubt the episodes are real, maybe I'll write to Dan Berger about it

[Krang]

Wow, cool Krang.. thanks for the info I have a question... do you think they could have copywrote the script with out producing it as an ep?Yep, that's probably what happened since the rest of the episodes are copywrited as episodes instead of scripts.

[GK Punk]

Wow, cool Krang.. thanks for the info I have a question... do you think they could have copywrote the script with out producing it as an ep?Yep, that's probably what happened since the rest of the episodes are copywrited as episodes instead of scripts.

Yeah that's what Made me think that, well I guess this mystery may be solved

[Nickokapo]

They're just scripts then, sigh...
Oh well, thanks for clearing this up krang :D

[Nturtle]

Oh well.... case closed!! *puts thread into manila folder, stamps secret seal onto it and puts it into a file cabinet*

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

It'd still be neat to read the scripts though. :(

[Deathknight]

library of congress? Excuse me if I sound like an idiot but what is that? And anyway, if you guys want to know when the lost eps were supposed to air it was the 1994 season, 13 episodes were ordered and only 8 episodes aired I believe.

[Nturtle]

The Library of Congress is a HUGE library in Washington DC, the biggest by far in the world.

Well the episodes mentioned are apperently more humourous, the 1994 ones are red sky...

[Deathknight]

I found it on google but I couldn't find anything on TMNT in it.

[Nturtle]

Here you go:
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Teenage+Mutant+Ninja+Turt les&Search_Code=TALL&PID=21394&SEQ=20030509194926&CNT=25&HIST=1

[Nickokapo]

1994?No way :sweatdro: are you sure about this dk?

[Deathknight]

Can't remember where I read it, but I know I did. Too bad too, there could've been some decent Shredder/Krang eps never shown.

[gobo]

:D
Yeah it is likely he was pulling someone's leg, specially now that the new toon reminded people of the old one and stuff...i'm not buying it untill i see proof tho, i just thought it was a pretty interesting rumor.
As for michaelangelo messes up, it's either one of the eps or they 'messed up' on the title :) remember there was an episode called muckman messes up, maybe since they both started with an 'm' they confused it with michaelangelo.

"Michaelangelo Messes Up" is a goof the LOC fixed, but forgot to get rid of the record for. All the other info in the record is for "Michaelangelo Meets Bugman Again". And, if you look up that title, it's the same aside from the title. I offered NTN's TheShredder1 an ep list I compiled from the LOC and US Copyright Office so people wouldn't have to go through the trouble themselves, but it wasn't accepted. Any suggestions of where else I could host it? I don't care to host a site myself just for that.

[Krang]

I offered NTN's TheShredder1 an ep list I compiled from the LOC and US Copyright Office so people wouldn't have to go through the trouble themselves, but it wasn't accepted. Any suggestions of where else I could host it? I don't care to host a site myself just for that.I'd be glad to host a more accurate episode list, since the one we're using now is from the official site. Email it to me at [email protected] and I'll host it for you.

[Moomintroll]

oh man, if they are indeed in library of congress, I will go search for ti, I live about 20 min from DC. If there are missing episodes to gain, send me the info at my email (linked here) and I will be glad to check it out.

[Vegita-San]

Hmm, now there may be 5 1994 episodes that havn't been seen, or produced with a script written?

If anyone can do a check at the actual congress, and get a find, it would be interesting to see.

[gobo]

oh man, if they are indeed in library of congress, I will go search for ti, I live about 20 min from DC. If there are missing episodes to gain, send me the info at my email (linked here) and I will be glad to check it out.

I already have someone looking up the script of 'Shredder's in love', but the others are likely locked away in vaults somewhere because they don't appear to be registered.

[Vegita-San]

Hmm, would they be organized by show title, perhaps? They have to be organized somehow for easy finding. If you can get copies, THESE I'd be happy to host :).

[Krang]

I offered NTN's TheShredder1 an ep list I compiled from the LOC and US Copyright Office so people wouldn't have to go through the trouble themselves, but it wasn't accepted. Any suggestions of where else I could host it? I don't care to host a site myself just for that.I'd be glad to host a more accurate episode list, since the one we're using now is from the official site. Email it to me at [email protected] and I'll host it for you.gobo-jo, do you have the episode list ready yet? I'd still like to host it if you're still looking for a host for it.

[Deathknight]

I always talk about how flawey the official site's episode guide is. I even made my own article about possible errors in the episode guide and Pwdesai hosts it on his site right now.

[Krang]

I always talk about how flawey the official site's episode guide is. I even made my own article about possible errors in the episode guide and Pwdesai hosts it on his site right now.I agree, I can see several incorrect titles and out of place episodes just by quickly looking over it. I was hoping to host gobo-jo's episode list instead because it would be much more accurate, but so far he hasn't emailed me...

[TMNT-Leonardo]

The features say one of the missing episodes is "The day the Earth dissapeared." But I have that episode on computer and tape. Could it possibly just the scripts?

Catch ya later!

[CyberCubed]

Here's (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&th=c899e0bbe500bced&seekm=35Ala.246%24y16.156%40newssvr16.news.prodigy .com&frame=off) the newsgroup thread that mentions the 5 missing eps. Also, I found this info from the copyright database at loc.gov:

Registration Number: PAu-1-533-396
Title: Shredder's in love.
Series: Teenage mutant ninja turtles
Note: Television script.
Claimant: Scott Hilley
Created: 1991
Registered: 5Aug91
Author on © Application: Scott Hilley.
Special Codes: 3/D

Sad nothing ever came from this. I guess it was just a canceled script that never went into production.

I imagine a "Shredder in Love ep" would be a sequel to that love potion episode that made the Turtles all fall for Irma in that one ep. I don't know who they'd have Shredder fall for.