Things you used to like, but now you hate.

[Jester]

Hello, my name is Jester and I'm a reformed Family Guy fan. I used to love the show, and every once and a while it'll surprise me with a laugh (a few weeks ago they did a Hulk opening parody that I loved, but probably only liked it because I had just watched seasons 3 and 4 of the series...thanks again Gobo) but for the most part....meh.

So I thought I'd make a thread. I thought I'd do a specific one...but a more general thread seemed the way to go.

What TV show or Movie (or other thing...mods if you can think of a better place for this move it.) that you used to love but now can't help but wonder..."Why?"

[gobo]

Drawn Together
Loved the hell outta the concept. Ep 1 was pretty good. The rest was BS. Seriously, they couldn't have been out of reality TV to make fun of after the first ep that they needed to resort to parodying 30 year old movies and overdosing each ep with mindless shock value. As it stands, this show had the only 'Scrappy-Doo sucks!' joke that I didn't laugh at... and even found rather sickening.

So, in summary, f*** that show.

[Shredder]

I don't exactly hate it, but Saturday Night Live. I used to watch it every week when I was younger and now I almost never do. It's just not funny anymore and hasn't been for awhile.

[Spitfire]

This is sorta of interesting. They say people change every 7 years, with that comes taste change obviously.

Off the top of my head I can think of a few things I used to love but now dislike. Hate is a pretty strong word that I reserve for things that really piss me off.

Underworld - I first saw this movie when I was 15. I thought it was awesome. When it came out I bought the DVD and a few years later they released a Directors Cut. I bought it again and upon watching it I started noticing some issues with it. I watched it one last time and it did nothing for me. I realized it was a horrible movie I mainly only liked it because I thought Kate Beckinsale was hot.

Will Smith, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Reveille - I went through a weird period of time where I liked these bands. I hadn't figured out where I stood on the whole music thing and I was experimenting. It didn't last long but these were the bands that stand out as the weirdest considering my current taste.

The Devil May Cry series - I really dug this series, even known as the resident gay boyfriend of Dante here, but after the 4th one came out my love of the series died. I wasn't playing the previous games much as it was and 4 wasn't fun at all. I actually suffered through it. I went back and reflected on my time with 3 and felt the same way about it. I just don't have the patience for those kinds of games. It's nice there's 10,000 combos you can pull off to kill dudes but I don't feel like spending the hours required to learn them all when the reward for doing so is literally nothing.

I haven't replayed 1 because I have fond memories of it. I figured if I replay it those memories will probably fade rather fast. As much as I loved Resident Evil 4 my recent attempt to replay it ended in me giving up part way through the castle section. I just wasn't having as much fun with it as I used to.

Metalocalypse - I thought it was funny when it was first on but I hadn't watched it in years. I busted it out the other day because I was researching DVDs with easter eggs and I remembered it had some. I watched an episode and some of the easter eggs. It just wasn't funny. It took way too long to get to the joke and the animation was pretty bad. It's one of those things that was funnier to quote then to watch. I also think most Adult Swim shows require you to be high in order to enjoy them.

Dragon Ball Z - I used to watch this show all the time. I was really into it for a few years. I got to a point where I couldn't handle it anymore. I know they re-cut and re-did all the voices but I really don't care if it's any better then the original series. I bought a DBZ game a few years back because I remember the games being fun. I didn't really care for it and the voice acting was so horrid I had to turn it to Japanese so I could handle playing it.

I also felt a little embarrassed. Like an adult whose alone willingly watching Blue's Clues. I mentally associate DBZ with a juvenile time in my life. That might sound silly because I do the same with turtles but I was never made fun of for liking turtles. When I was a fan of DBZ the only people I knew who also liked it were online. Going to an art college I hear it come up sometimes. It makes me feel like a dork that I still remember some of the stuff I over hear in conversation.

That's all off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more but like I said we all grow past things. Right now I'm into 80's metal, fashion, cheesy B/action movies, and anything else that time had to offer. I find it hilarious and awesome all the same. In a few years I may look back and be surprised I ever liked it, or maybe it will be a constant for me. I've actually become more open and less close minded as time has gone on.

[ThirdMarioBro]

It's funny Jester that you should mention Family Guy as I've begun to turn on it as well. I just don't find it funny anymore. Seth seems to spend more time social grandstanding than actually making us laugh. It's funny, because I generally agree with everything he's saying, but I'm watching Family Guy to get a laugh, and when they do actually go for a joke, it's always a rape joke or something. They used to use gutter humor (eg: Prom Night Dumpster baby... I got no Mom or Dad...) as a funny way to shock you every now and then while filling the rest of the episode with general silliness (Peter's Catapult - my all time favorite gag). Now, they just try to constantly one-up themselves in the gross department, and grandstand. Sad, but that's what Seth gets for handing the show off. This week with the Mr. Booze song was funny as hell though.

I find that a lot of stuff I used to like now disgusts me, but I often just as much find that a lot of the stuff I used to enjoy really was that awesome. I can't stand 99% of anime now, yet for 2003-2006 it was a huge part of my life. Most 80s cartoons are bland to me now, while most 90s cartoons basically achieve immortality in my mind. I find all the Nickelodeon shows I enjoyed as a kid were as awesome as I imagined them being when I was little. Double Dare still makes me laugh upon revisiting. Same for Rocko, Catdog, Doug, Ren & Stimpy, Legends of the Hidden Temple and all the others. I went back and watched the Pretty Guardian Sailormoon series I loved back in 2004, and it still makes me smile. Sonic X however makes me want to slit my wrists.

I was a HUGE wrestling fan years ago, but as the PG era and John-fu*king-Cena took over, I faded. Seeing The Rock last week however reminded me just how much I missed it and that it was time to come home.

I find a lot of time our distancing ourselves from things we used to love is just due to age educed cynicism. Other times, the stuff really did just suck. I generally try to just laugh at the things that turned out awful in reflection rather than be ashamed of myself because more often than not, there was a reason you liked it in the first place. Maybe you will again. Just give it another seven years.

[Abnormal Freak]

As a kid, I adored Tim Burton movies, his two Batman flicks being two of my absolute favorite movies. Now, I can't stand the guy.

"Style over substance" resonates in regard to Burton, I feel. Yet something about his visual style seems really hollow to me, neither stylish nor good. Too sleek. It's like the Barbie version of gothic art. And it's not just the visuals that are lifeless, but even more so the stories and characters in his movies.

His Batman movies I've come to regard as travesties. Even when I try to ignore how I think the character should be treated, I still can't enjoy them anymore. I must say, though, I find the first film to be incredibly captivating, visually—but plotwise, it's bankrupt. Nobody behaves in any sort of way that makes me give a damn about any of them, and Nicholson's Joker, dare I say, is absolute $#!7. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not someone who feasts at the crotch of Heath Ledger or anything, but I do think he did a pretty good interpretation of the villain, certainly more fascinating in my mind than Nicholson's take.)

Returns is even worse. I like the visuals (the only super-gothic, super-zany film of his I actually think looks good), but the story and characters just strike me as terribly annoying and empty. And the penguins? Oh, goodness, the penguins... That penguin army at the end? Makes me want to pull my hair out at how outrageous(ly boring) the whole thing is. It really is tedious to get through that whole segment.

And I really hate how most people think of The Nightmare Before Christmas as a Burton movie. Sure, he created the characters and threw money at the film, gave it his blessings, all that, but apparently he wasn't even present during shooting even once due to how busy he was doing other movies. TNBC is through-and-through a Henry Selick movie, and I think Coraline more than anything proves that. I firmly believe that if Burton had directed it, or even had a heavy hand on the production end, that it wouldn't be anywhere near as good as how it turned out—thank heavens for that, 'cos I love that movie.

That said, Pee-wee's Big Adventure is a phenomenal film, one of my all-time favorites. Probably because, while a very goofy film, it's a lot more subtle in the crazy visual flair, and has a strong emphasis on character and humor. Edward Scissorhands is also a pretty good flick (that I recall—I haven't seen it in a dog's age), and its production design works well as it displays this gothic art style against a backdrop of trite suburbia.

'Course, it could just be it's been too long since I've seen many of his other films that I'm being too harsh; I did become rather snobbish and anti-Burton when I was around 17–19, so maybe if I were to see his movies again I'd change my mind. But having seen Batman and Batman Returns again recently, only a few months ago, I can confirm that they're still garbage in my sight—though not total garbage, as again, I like them for their visuals, particularly the first one, which has a very enticing look that I've never seen in any other movie.

[deadpoolRKO]

As a kid, I adored Tim Burton movies, his two Batman flicks being two of my absolute favorite movies. Now, I can't stand the guy.

"Style over substance" resonates in regard to Burton, I feel. Yet something about his visual style seems really hollow to me, neither stylish nor good. Too sleek. It's like the Barbie version of gothic art. And it's not just the visuals that are lifeless, but even more so the stories and characters in his movies.



Have you seen his Alice In Wonderland Re-make ? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.





I used to like corn. Then i had braces for a few years and everytime i ate corn i'd have to clean my braces out with this stupid brush thing and i hated it and over the years i started to hate corn and now i don't even like the taste of it.


I used to love Yu-Gi-Oh. Me and my friend would go to books a million and enter tag duel tournaments, i even wore a duel disk. :lol: , i just absolutely loved it. Even talking about it now makes me want to play again but now EVERY card has a special effect and there this new 5D crap. i won't go into too much detail about it but it's just grown way too complex to be fun.

[Jester]

I'm watching Family Guy to get a laugh, and when they do actually go for a joke, it's always a rape joke or something.
Exactly, I used to kinda like Herbert...not sure why...and now I'm wondering, "When was pedophilia funny?" Though I do think an episode where Herbert is caught by Chris Hansen would be mildly amusing.

[ToTheNines]

Spider-man: TAS and the Sonic cartoons.

[azrael]

original tmnt cartoons ---- sorry guys my son loves it so I watch it.

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

-Scarface merchandise,after seeing so many fake thugs ahd white trash always rocking the shirts (like they really came from the streets and made it big) OMG i get so tired of wannabe's... at least i still have Goodfellas..

-Loud Boomimg Bass Car Stereo Systems, i used to think they were really cool,now i just thik they are obnoxious...people just want attention

[oldmanwinters]

Dragon Ball Z - I used to watch this show all the time. I was really into it for a few years. I got to a point where I couldn't handle it anymore. I know they re-cut and re-did all the voices but I really don't care if it's any better then the original series.

You really need to get into TeamFourStar's DBZ Abridged (http://www.teamfourstar.com/). I guarantee it will bring you back into the fold, mostly because it makes light of how stupid so much of the show was and is so well edited and dubbed it probably makes it more entertaining than the show itself.

[Jester]

You really need to get into TeamFourStar's DBZ Abridged (http://www.teamfourstar.com/). I guarantee it will bring you back into the fold, mostly because it makes light of how stupid so much of the show was and is so well edited and dubbed it probably makes it more entertaining than the show itself.
I love that series!!

[oldmanwinters]

I'm getting really close to listing The Office in this category, since they've been going hard for the gross out humor in the last couple of seasons. It's always been somewhat raunchy and reliable on politically incorrect humor, but it seems like it's been taken to a lower level of late. I still watch it to see how they are going to wrap up the Steve Carrell era, but this show is close to jumping the shark for me. I'm hoping they end the show before too long, since I just can't see how it's going to last without Michael Scott. It would be like 24 without Jack Bauer.

[Loco]

I used to like corn.
I used to Like KoЯn too. Since cames out "Life is Peachy" I know kinda everything fans knows but what they do since "Untouchables" I can't bear it anymore :tconfuse: generaly my playlist's stuck in the Nineties.

[Hero]

Robot Chicken..

[Cure]

I used to love Spongebob, but it's not me that's changed, it's the show. I can still watch the old episodes and love it but the newer episodes suck.

[Abnormal Freak]

Have you seen his Alice In Wonderland Re-make ? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

I haven't. My mom owns and really enjoys it, so perhaps I'll borrow it sometime. I'm not in a real big hurry, though. ;p

[The Stryker]

Sam Raimi.

[Abnormal Freak]

How does one ever fall out of love with Sam Raimi? The Evil Dead series, A Simple Plan, Drag Me to Hell, the first two Spider-Man films, Darkman, The Quick and the Dead... All really solid flicks.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

I used to love Spongebob, but it's not me that's changed, it's the show. I can still watch the old episodes and love it but the newer episodes suck.

Hit the nail on the head, Cure. 1999-2003 was the golden era of Spongebob, then it went south. By the time the movie was made, I wanted the series to die in a fire, it was so awful.

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

I'm getting really close to listing The Office in this category, since they've been going hard for the gross out humor in the last couple of seasons. It's always been somewhat raunchy and reliable on politically incorrect humor, but it seems like it's been taken to a lower level of late. I still watch it to see how they are going to wrap up the Steve Carrell era, but this show is close to jumping the shark for me. I'm hoping they end the show before too long, since I just can't see how it's going to last without Michael Scott. It would be like 24 without Jack Bauer.

Well i kinda agree with you,this season has been VERY hit and miss,some Classic episodes,and a few of the WORST...Now with Will Ferrell on board for (at least) four episodes,and them bring Todd Packer as a regular character, i think it's pivotal to the success of the show...

[Master Splinter]

Well i kinda agree with you,this season has been VERY hit and miss,some Classic episodes,and a few of the WORST...Now with Will Ferrell on board for (at least) four episodes,and them bring Todd Packer as a regular character, i think it's pivotal to the success of the show...

Italian bread from Subway... Used to eat it all the time and then one time I got a sammy and I got sick later in the evening, probably wasn't related to the sandwhich itself but I've stayed clear ever since...

-ms

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

Italian bread from Subway... Used to eat it all the time and then one time I got a sammy and I got sick later in the evening, probably wasn't related to the sandwhich itself but I've stayed clear ever since...

-ms


Yeah,once u get sick from something no matter how many
you have eaten in your life, u remember the one u got sick from... in the early 2000's i got sick off 2 corndogs,and after that would'nt eat them until very recently...and if i do have one,i make sure that i bake it..

[azrael]

How does one ever fall out of love with Sam Raimi? The Evil Dead series, A Simple Plan, Drag Me to Hell, the first two Spider-Man films, Darkman, The Quick and the Dead... All really solid flicks.

Darkman's script was a cheeply dont Batman script. The comics are a little better tho.

[Donnie]

Power Rangers. Why did I do that to my parents?

[Abnormal Freak]

Darkman's script was a cheeply dont Batman script. The comics are a little better tho.

Because Batman deals with a scientist who gets blown up in his lab by mobsters and exacts revenge on them by copying their faces to get close to them. ;) I think it's a stretch to say, "Yeah, Batman ripoff."

In regard to SpongeBob SquarePants, wasn't that always bad? :p I've always seen it as kind of a cheap, less gross copy of Ren & Stimpy—not the good Ren & Stimpy, but the Games episodes.

[The Stryker]

How does one ever fall out of love with Sam Raimi?

the first two Spider-Man films, Darkman

Answered your own question right there. Also Army of Darkness sucked ass.

[Cure]

In regard to SpongeBob SquarePants, wasn't that always bad? :p I've always seen it as kind of a cheap, less gross copy of Ren & Stimpy—not the good Ren & Stimpy, but the Games episodes.

What? Clearly not to the people who like it. Do you not get the point of the thread?

[Abnormal Freak]

What? Clearly not to the people who like it. Do you not get the point of the thread?

Durr, of course I do. ;p I was just making a snide remark.

Also Army of Darkness sucked ass.

I know opinions are subjective, but...this is the most erroneous statement ever. :o

[Samhain]

Army of Darkness sucked ass.

You sir, are a moron.

[The Stryker]

Right. Because that movie is totally funny and a rip roaring roller coaster ride and not a lame overly long cheese fest.

I love Evil Dead 2 but AOD is just terrible.

[Abnormal Freak]

Right. Because that movie is totally funny and a rip roaring roller coaster ride and not a lame overly long cheese fest.

Take the sarcasm out, and you're spot-on. ;) It is hilarious. Not even sure how many times I've seen it and still enjoy it immensely every time.

I like the first two flicks more, but AOD is close.

[Samhain]

Right. Because that movie is totally funny and a rip roaring roller coaster ride and not a lame overly long cheese fest.

I love Evil Dead 2 but AOD is just terrible.

To be fair, you either love it or despise it. You obviously are the latter, which is fine.

[Abnormal Freak]

I personally have never heard of anyone disliking AOD, to be honest. You either love it as a horror fan, or you love it as just a casual movie fan. People of all film tastes whom I've known have absolutely loved it.

[Samhain]

I personally have never heard of anyone disliking AOD, to be honest. You either love it as a horror fan, or you love it as just a casual movie fan. People of all film tastes whom I've known have absolutely loved it.

Well, it currently holds an 85% on Rotten Tomatoes so I think it is pretty safe to say that the majority of people out there like it. Just for some people it doesnt click.

[wilddiverse]

Tequila.
Cereal with marshmallows.

[shuriken]

^^this. When I was younger i thought cereals with Marshmallows in them were amazing. but now it's just kinda gross.
I like Burton's Batman movies quite a bit actually. I'm not crazy about the guy but it's hit or miss for me. Although I thought Sleepy Hollow kinda sucked, and I enjoy Depp's work a lot.
Hrmm. I really liked Linkin Park when I was like 12. But after Meteora/Crash Course it's all been really meh to me.
Family guy seems to just annoy me more tha actually make me laugh. Although the older eps are still pretty random and funny.
Nicholas Cage movies, Con Air, Face Off, and The Family Man for one. I still find Con Air to be pretty good, but that has more to do with Buscemi and Malcovich than Cage. The other two I used to like, but after watching them recently they are pretty bad.
DBZ is another one. I still like the battle scenes but how many times does a chracter have to gawk at how powerful someone is? I swear if there was at least %50 less gawking the show would be infinitely better.

[gobo]

I like the first two flicks more, but AOD is close.
Oddly enough, I can't appreciate AoD the way I once did. I originally though of it as a horror parody (pretty much an alternative to Ghostbusters), and loved the hell out of it for that. Got, into the previous films later, hated the first (and still do), but find the second to have the most replay value. I can only watch AoD maybe twice a year w/o getting sick of it.

[Machias Banshee]

Soda and pre-made iced tea... basically any pre-bottled drinks. I've gotten away from any kind of food/drinks with the high fructose corn syrup, and man can I taste it now... :dead: The only drink I tolerate now are homemade lemonade, coffee, tea, milk and ice water. The only soda I'll drink is ginger-ale when I'm sick...

[Jelly Bean]

basketball. It used to be one of my passions but now I can't even look at a basket ball.

My old High School friends. Frucking traitors (do they count?)

Some programs I used to watch (can't think of anything specific)

[Samhain]

Cheese and mayonaise sammiches
Fast food
Rob Liefeld

[Jester]

Rob Liefeld
How can you not love Rob Liefield??
http://needcoffee.cachefly.net/needcoffee/uploads/2008/07/captain-america-liefeld.jpg
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[Samhain]

How can you not love Rob Liefield??
http://needcoffee.cachefly.net/needcoffee/uploads/2008/07/captain-america-liefeld.jpg
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How he looked at that and thought it was okay to publish is beyond me. I want whatever he was smokin that night.

[tomservo95]

Family Guy

Goosebumps

[Krutch]

Cool thread. Umm... lets see.

Insane Clown Posse - Totally obsessed in my teens, now its pretty embarrassing when I run into people from highschool and they call me the"ICP guy".

Halo - I've never owned an X-Box but I played these games so damn much when I was younger that now I'm just turned off when someone invites.

Horror Movies - Okay, I dont hate horror movies, but when I was younger, it'd pretty much be the only thing I'd watch. I'm still pretty burnt out from them and it really takes alot to convince me to watch one blindly.

Roland Emmerich Films - I think I always knew they were bad but as I grew older and became a film student, I cant even stomache them as guilty pleasures. ...okay, maaaaaybe Independence Day, but I'd have to be pretty drunk.

TV Dinners - I cant believe I grew up eating that ****.

Honey Nut Cheerios - Ugh. Guys, I cant explain to you how for from as young as I can remember, til early highschool, it was the only damn cereal in the house. I begged my parents for anything else but it never came. Eventually I just started skipping breakfast and to this day I only eat lunch and dinner by habbit.

Kung Pow: Enter The Fist - This was kind of a classic with my friends. But I saw it recently and maaaaaaanwhatthehellwasithinking?

Marvel Comics - Grew up loving all the X-Men, Spider-Man, Avengers, etc... And I always used to complain that DC heros were always too powerful. The general arguments that people make. Now I'm almost a strict DC reader with very, very few exceptions(last thing I read was the Civil War tradeback).

Penny Arcade - I still really, really, really want to love it. But if I'm being honest with myself, instead of laughter I've barely gotten a chuckle the last few years.

[deadpoolRKO]

How can you not love Rob Liefield??
http://needcoffee.cachefly.net/needcoffee/uploads/2008/07/captain-america-liefeld.jpg
Ok...comment withdrawn.

it looks like a zombie's face with breast implants

[wilddiverse]

Speaking of Rob Liefeld... Deadpool.

The original ongoing series' run by Joe Kelly from the mid-1990s was and is fantastic. Hilarious and tragic, it managed to present Deadpool as a layered character worthy of attention. Gail Simone's ending run on that series had its sparkle, then Fabian Nicieza's buddy-action book Cable & Deadpool kept me interested in Liefeld creations for 50 issues.

NONE of those books were huge sellers but were great reading.

Since the lackluster Wolverine solo movie, the popularity of Deadpool has skyrocketed and the character can suddenly support a half dozen titles a month but they're all terrible. All I see is a watered-down cartoon with none of the previous soul vaguely retreading the path that Joe Kelly blazed Wade down 15 years ago.

[deadpoolRKO]

Speaking of Rob Liefeld... Deadpool.

The original ongoing series' run by Joe Kelly from the mid-1990s was and is fantastic. Hilarious and tragic, it managed to present Deadpool as a layered character worthy of attention. Gail Simone's ending run on that series had its sparkle, then Fabian Nicieza's buddy-action book Cable & Deadpool kept me interested in Liefeld creations for 50 issues.

NONE of those books were huge sellers but were great reading.

Since the lackluster Wolverine solo movie, the popularity of Deadpool has skyrocketed and the character can suddenly support a half dozen titles a month but they're all terrible. All I see is a watered-down cartoon with none of the previous soul vaguely retreading the path that Joe Kelly blazed Wade down 15 years ago.


The Kelly series was amazing. Cable deadpool was awesome as well , i enjoyed all 50 issues.


but , not all his current series are terrible. Deadpool Corps doesn't have that great of a story ( so far ) but it is humerous and i enjoy reading it. The art work is average but I like the characters and different sides of " deadpool "
The Deadpool Pulp series was a good read as well.

also the first series of X Force was solid and that's the Deadpool that i think will be the the best mixture of humor/action , ( i've only read the first issue , money's tight so i haven't bought comics since that week )


but none-the less , the best deadpool i've read was in the 90's.


( sorry that post was off thread topic )



I used to love Beyblades , i had the gamecube game & i loved carrying them around with a group of friends and we'd setttle arguments by battling with em. lol. if only that were socially acceptable for a 20yr old

[shuriken]

I used to love Beyblades , i had the gamecube game & i loved carrying them around with a group of friends and we'd setttle arguments by battling with em. lol. if only that were socially acceptable for a 20yr old

You should make them socially acceptable. Of course that could backfire and you'll be known as "the 20 yr old BeyBlade guy".

I think there was a show called Martial Arts Masters or something like that? It was cheesy as hell and I loved it as a kid.

The NBA All Star game. It' a glorified pickup game with no strategy or emphasis on defense whatsoever...Plus Carlos Boozer was TOTALLY snubbed. And Yao got to play after only playing only 5 games...BS

Shazam-Ya know that movie with Shaq when he was all the rage, a rapping genie. I wanted to watch it so badly when it came out ( i dunno why) and I watched it when I was 8 and I enjoyed it. Saw it again whe i was 12 and I immediately lost respect for the man. Goodness that movie was terrible.

[deadpoolRKO]

You should make them socially acceptable. Of course that could backfire and you'll be known as "the 20 yr old BeyBlade guy".



lmao.

the second sentence , would inevitably happen.

[Ninja Turtles 25 Years]

I used to like Nickelodeon and The Disney Channel during the 1980s, and most of the 1990s, but now it's all a total waste. Shows like: Double Dare, What Would You Do, Figure It Out, Kenan And Kel, All That, Nickelodeon GUTS, Wild N Crazy Kids, Make The Grade, Clarissa Explains It All, You Can't Do That On Television, Legends Of The Hidden Temple, and so on is where Nickelodeon was great. After 2000, it lost all creditbility with me, and next month when Ninja Turtles comes out again to Nickelodeon, I have to watch it (mainly for my Ninja Turtles of 25 Years website coverage).