Spider-Man TAS vs. Spectacular Spider-Man [Archive]

Sergio517

04-06-2011, 04:17 AM

That poster looks very decent. Maybe I'll watch this one because I really hated Spectacular Spider-Man and everything baby about it. From a story standpoint, it had something going, but from the art style of the show, it was horrible. Stop baby-ing everything Marvel!

The new Avengers cartoon is a step up from the Spectacular Spider-Man and Wolverine and the X-Men. I hate character designs that look too awkward. Maybe now we'll get real animation where the people look like people and not toons. Been looking for something as good as the best spider-man cartoon ever, Spider-Man TAS. Please stop the whole I'm a kid spider-man learning the ropes. It's whored out too much.

Edit:

OMG! Just saw the trailer. This looks watchable! The characters look realistic now and not cartoony. I just marked out for Jameson! He looks fantastic and not like a car peeled out on his forehead like in the "Spectacular" Spider-Kid. I can safely bet this version of Eddie Brock won't look like something out of Dragon Ball Z.

Edit 2:

Now we just need Venom and Carnage to look like this!

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3295/20lrgcarngespideyvenom.jpg

Cure

04-06-2011, 11:44 AM

There's all kinds of retarded with your post.

ZariusTwo

04-06-2011, 12:23 PM

Spider-Man TAS the best Spidey cartoon ever?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Get some TASTE man

Sergio517

04-06-2011, 04:00 PM

I happen to have more taste than anyone I see praising crappy shows. I actually have standards in what I choose to watch. ;)

But then again, there's probably a bunch of Pokemon slave masters, yugi-oh, and dragonball z watchers here. And that's fine, but yea.

Turo602

04-06-2011, 04:35 PM

Spider-Man TAS the best Spidey cartoon ever?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Get some TASTE man

So what's the best Spider-Man cartoon then? And don't you dare say it's Spectacular Spider-Man!

Candy Kappa

04-06-2011, 05:22 PM

So what's the best Spider-Man cartoon then? And don't you dare say it's Spectacular Spider-Man!

whats wrong with Spectacular Spider-Man?

Cure

04-06-2011, 05:25 PM

whats wrong with Spectacular Spider-Man?

Just ignore him, his answer won't make sense to people with common sense.

Turo602

04-06-2011, 08:25 PM

whats wrong with Spectacular Spider-Man?

Even though I enjoyed Spectacular Spider-Man, the facts are, it didn't have a long run and didn't have a chance to be completed. Spider-Man TAS IMO is the best one of them all as of now. The story was heavy, it had the best character designs instead of cartoony ones, and it was just epic. Especially the crossovers. In the Spectacular Spider-Man you see Spider-Man take on the Sinister Six and they don't even look menacing, they look goofy and cartoony. Sure Spider-Man TAS had it's restrictions and ended early then it should of, but I still haven't seen anything better.

Just ignore him, his answer won't make sense to people with common sense.

How you doin there champ?

Spitfire

04-06-2011, 08:35 PM

Cure

04-06-2011, 08:40 PM

Turo602

04-06-2011, 08:44 PM

I found the fight scenes in Spectacular Spider-man to be some of the best I've seen in a cartoon. The old show was great for the time but it had it's limitations. I felt the newer series got to the point a lot faster and the sense of danger seemed a lot higher. How they handled the black suit arc was amazing and one of the best incarnations of that story. I thought they took a lot from Ultimate but after reading all of it I see they really went off and did their own thing.

Yeah, that's one of the things I liked about that show. I also like how they went a bit deeper into Peter's life. The action and the story in Spectacular Spider-Man was great. But I still go with Spider-Man TAS any day. I just hope this new one is as good or better. It just bugs me a bit how it's based on the Ultimate series, even though I can still enjoy it. But for as good as this show looks it would of been nice if it were based on the Amazing. But I guess it's been done a lot already. But I don't mind the Ultimate series, all it is, is Amazing with a twist.

Peanut

04-06-2011, 09:46 PM

I "ugh'd" at the lame invisible cyber-watch, but the animation, from what you can see, looks to be just as fluid and face-paced as Spectacular.

And I love TAS, but if Spectacular was allowed to continue, it would have blown everything about TAS out of the water. I do always love when kids complain that something looks too "toony" or "childish" though. Shows they're still children...bless them.

Slap-Happy

04-07-2011, 03:34 AM

I loved Spectacular. I hope this can live up too or exceed it.

And also, I think Turo is trying to bring up TAS to seem older. I never really liked TAS too much. Character designs seemed a bit too, I don't know, bland for me.

Sergio517

04-07-2011, 05:49 AM

And also, I think Turo is trying to bring up TAS to seem older.

LOL! Explain. I don't get how that makes sense. God forbid we love to watch anything before our time or else we're trying to seem older. Is that why you have an avatar of The Fonz? They do still show TAS on Disney XD so he watches it and can compare it to any spider-man show around; be that Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, Spectacular, that MTV Spider-Man show, and Spider-Man Unlimited. Out of all of those TAS is the best. Of course, it is just an opinion.

Generally speaking, no one should be butt hurt and get offended over someone sharing an opinion. I don't give a crap if someone says Spectacular is the best because that's THEIR opinion. I'm not going to be childish and post childish remarks about an opinion different than my own. There are kids here who need to grow up and upgrade to huggies because the world is not about them. I'm open to conversation and debate, not school yard comments like, "you're retarded" or "I'm better than you because I watch cartoons."

@Spitfire, I agree with your comment regarding the action of Spectacular. I still think TAS is the best overall, but as time goes on, it did suck that the networks had so many restrictions back then. Cartoons these days are allowed to have heavier combat sequences, and that was good about Spectacular. Personally, I couldn't enjoy it because lately every new cartoon seems to like making the characters that I love into younger incarnations. the designs for spectacular didn't shout, "look at me, I'm a serious show!" It wasn't reaching toward an older audience. Not my thing, but I respect any who like it or even say it's "the best." My life won't change over an opinion.

ZariusTwo

04-07-2011, 07:47 AM

LOL! Explain. I don't get how that makes sense. God forbid we love to watch anything before our time or else we're trying to seem older. Is that why you have an avatar of The Fonz? They do still show TAS on Disney XD so he watches it and can compare it to any spider-man show around; be that Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, Spectacular, that MTV Spider-Man show, and Spider-Man Unlimited. Out of all of those TAS is the best. Of course, it is just an opinion.

Generally speaking, no one should be butt hurt and get offended over someone sharing an opinion. I don't give a crap if someone says Spectacular is the best because that's THEIR opinion. I'm not going to be childish and post childish remarks about an opinion different than my own. There are kids here who need to grow up and upgrade to huggies because the world is not about them. I'm open to conversation and debate, not school yard comments like, "you're retarded" or "I'm better than you because I watch cartoons."

@Spitfire, I agree with your comment regarding the action of Spectacular. I still think TAS is the best overall, but as time goes on, it did suck that the networks had so many restrictions back then. Cartoons these days are allowed to have heavier combat sequences, and that was good about Spectacular. Personally, I couldn't enjoy it because lately every new cartoon seems to like making the characters that I love into younger incarnations.

Have you ever read a Spider-Man comic in your life? He's all ABOUT youth.

The earliest incarnation of him was a 16 year old kid going through rites of passage, something "Spectacular" manages to capture beutifully. Steve Ditko wanted to keep him in high school forever like Archie, never graduating, Bendis is doing right by that vision in Ultimate Spider-Man

Spider-Man TAS is S*IT, and it only gets marks because it's the most complete Spidey cartoon out there and because you lot grew up on it, but it doesnt hold up at all, it's got terrrible voice acting, Standards and Practices meant Spidey couldnt throw ONE punch, the stories havent aged all that well and some are downright insulting to the intelligence. Spetacular has Spiuder-Man TAS beat by a nose, it's truer to Spidey's early days, it's got incredible twists, the animation is also supremly fluid..

The Stryker

04-07-2011, 11:13 AM

Hold up.

People don't like it when a cartoon.....looks like a cartoon? Also TAS looked realistic and was geared more towards adults?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Peter_Parker_design.jpg

EPIC YO.

Cure

04-07-2011, 11:44 AM

the designs for spectacular didn't shout, "look at me, I'm a serious show!" It wasn't reaching toward an older audience.

This is why you're dumb, not cuz of you're opinion. It wasn't a "serious show" and it's not reaching for an older audience because it's not supposed to. No kid's cartoon is. People like to think that cartoons are catered to them when that's not true at all. If you can enjoy it regardless of that is a different story.

Slap-Happy

04-07-2011, 01:27 PM

LOL! Explain. I don't get how that makes sense.

Sure seems to me like he's trying to gain nostalgia points with all the people calling him a kid.

Sergio517

04-07-2011, 04:04 PM

Sure seems to me like he's trying to gain nostalgia points with all the people calling him a kid.

Nah that ain't it, I assure you. He knows what he likes and it's the others who call him a kid only to boost their own ego. They like to think they're "smart" "mature" and "intelligent" because they have opinions they think are fact. That's all. Look at how people resort to calling me dumb here when I say what I say about what I like. It's juvenile. I don't call them names for liking what I don't like.

This is why you're dumb, not cuz of you're opinion. It wasn't a "serious show" and it's not reaching for an older audience because it's not supposed to. No kid's cartoon is. People like to think that cartoons are catered to them when that's not true at all. If you can enjoy it regardless of that is a different story.

Ok. This is why you're dumb. Don't insult me if you don't know me well enough to do so. I don't disrespect you. First of all, that show you love so much was catered toward kids as well as an older audience ok. If it was JUST for kids then it wouldn't have been heavy on story, action, or have sexual innuendo.

To the guy who posted that Peter Parker pic. If that don't look less toonish than Spectacular, then you're easily pleased.

Turo602

04-07-2011, 05:45 PM

Sure seems to me like he's trying to gain nostalgia points with all the people calling him a kid.

Like if I give a damn what people think of me to want to change what I like. Hell no I'm no follower. Do you even know why I like Spider-Man? I don't think so. And it ain't because of some movie or that lame Unlimited crap. I'm not going to suck up to anyone to get "nostalgia points". I like what I like for a reason.

Have you ever read a Spider-Man comic in your life? He's all ABOUT youth.

The earliest incarnation of him was a 16 year old kid going through rites of passage, something "Spectacular" manages to capture beutifully. Steve Ditko wanted to keep him in high school forever like Archie, never graduating, Bendis is doing right by that vision in Ultimate Spider-Man

So he can't like another incarnation because one is truer then the other? That's like saying someone can't like the 80s TMNT over the 2k3 series because they were like that in the original comics.

The Stryker

04-07-2011, 07:16 PM

To the guy who posted that Peter Parker pic. If that don't look less toonish than Spectacular, then you're easily pleased.

I'm just saying that applying words like 'epic' 'mature' and 'realistic' to TAS is ridiculous.

I liked that show but don't point at a happy meal and call it a lobster dinner.

Jester

04-07-2011, 07:29 PM

Slap-Happy

04-07-2011, 07:32 PM

Heck the only Spidey series geared to an older audience was the CG series MTV ran. I kinda wish it had been on for more than 1 season.

I really need to re-watch Spider-Man TAS. I do remember kinda wondering why Peter was so old in it though.
I actually liked that show a lot. Wish there could've been crossovers with Daredevil, Hulk, Punisher, etc.

Turo602

04-07-2011, 08:07 PM

I'm just saying that applying words like 'epic' 'mature' and 'realistic' to TAS is ridiculous.

I liked that show but don't point at a happy meal and call it a lobster dinner.

Like Spectacular right?

http://www.animationmagazine.net/images/articles/spiderman_parker_150.gif

Is it just me, or does he look like Flick from A Bugs Life?

http://content6.flixster.com/question/43/35/90/4335904_std.jpg

The Stryker

04-07-2011, 08:13 PM

Like Spectacular right?

http://www.animationmagazine.net/images/articles/spiderman_parker_150.gif

Is it just me, or does he look like Flick from A Bugs Life?

http://content6.flixster.com/question/43/35/90/4335904_std.jpg

Uh..What? I'm not even comparing or saying Spectacular doesn't look like a cartoon. Because it's a cartoon and getting mad at a cartoon for looking like a cartoon is ridiculous.

Cartoon cartoon.

Cure

04-07-2011, 08:14 PM

Turo602

04-07-2011, 08:28 PM

Uh..What? I'm not even comparing or saying Spectacular doesn't look like a cartoon. Because it's a cartoon and getting mad at a cartoon for looking like a cartoon is ridiculous.

Cartoon cartoon.

Who's getting mad? It's called disliking something because the designs are horrible compared to your standards. Yes it's a cartoon, doesn't mean it has to look bogus. When you have seen shows that look like Spider-Man TAS, X-Men, Batman, etc. And then you see they make another and it looks like the Spectacular Spider-Man. You're going to be disappointed. It's like having 1000 bucks and being reduced to 100 bucks.

He didn't even say anything about Spectacular. Way to be dumb.

Way to be stupid. When did I ever say he did?

"Hey, do you like cars?"

"What? I never said anything about cars."

Jester

04-07-2011, 08:36 PM

Are Sergio and Turo602 the same person? I mean they are answering for each other...seems odd.

As for the animation of Spectacular vs. TAS, am I alone in thinking that STORY matters a lot more than the character designs? That said, I liked both series, but I think Spectacular really harkened back to the Lee/Ditko Spidey. Peter in TAS was a bit to old, but I still have warm fuzzies for the series. Nostalgia, you know.

Turo602

04-07-2011, 08:38 PM

Are Sergio and Turo602 the same person? I mean they are answering for each other...seems odd.

No, we're brothers. Why would that be odd? That's like saying, are Cure and Stryker the same person? But yeah Jester, we're not.

The Stryker

04-07-2011, 08:40 PM

Who's getting mad? It's called disliking something because the designs are horrible compared to your standards. Yes it's a cartoon, doesn't mean it has to look bogus. When you have seen shows that look like Spider-Man TAS, X-Men, Batman, etc. And then you see they make another and it looks like the Spectacular Spider-Man. You're going to be disappointed. It's like having 1000 bucks and being reduced to 100 bucks.

TAS and X-men look awful now. Spider-man especially where every character is shaped like a box. Not to mention the sh*tty animation and storytelling on both of those shows.

I wasn't nuts about the character design in Spectacular but it more than made up for it with a great story and really fluid animation. The 90s show does none of those things well at all.

Turo602

04-07-2011, 08:44 PM

Redeemer

04-07-2011, 09:07 PM

TAS and X-men look awful now. Spider-man especially where every character is shaped like a box. Not to mention the sh*tty animation and storytelling on both of those shows.

I wasn't nuts about the character design in Spectacular but it more than made up for it with a great story and really fluid animation. The 90s show does none of those things well at all.

I disagree, I am actually studying how draw as Marvel does, and IMO Spider-man TAS, was drawn better than Spectacular Spider-man, simply bc TAS was drawn more realistically. Spetacular used manga style design from the episodes I saw. You cant say one is better than the other bc they are two different styles.

I loved Spectacular. I hope this can live up too or exceed it.

And also, I think Turo is trying to bring up TAS to seem older. I never really liked TAS too much. Character designs seemed a bit too, I don't know, bland for me.

I watched the OT turtles and read the first Mirage Comics, but I was born in MID 91 so I can't really remember the OT and was to young for the comics, but I still love both!

Stop trying to insult people!

Have you ever read a Spider-Man comic in your life? He's all ABOUT youth.

The earliest incarnation of him was a 16 year old kid going through rites of passage, something "Spectacular" manages to capture beutifully. Steve Ditko wanted to keep him in high school forever like Archie, never graduating, Bendis is doing right by that vision in Ultimate Spider-Man

Spider-Man TAS is S*IT, and it only gets marks because it's the most complete Spidey cartoon out there and because you lot grew up on it, but it doesnt hold up at all, it's got terrrible voice acting, Standards and Practices meant Spidey couldnt throw ONE punch, the stories havent aged all that well and some are downright insulting to the intelligence. Spetacular has Spiuder-Man TAS beat by a nose, it's truer to Spidey's early days, it's got incredible twists, the animation is also supremly fluid..

Have you ever read the original Spider-man comics??? Spider-man TAS is the closest cartoon to the original comics. Ecspecially when it comes to Spider-man himself.

And how did it stay on so long if it was crap? U guys make no sense.

Hold up.

People don't like it when a cartoon.....looks like a cartoon? Also TAS looked realistic and was geared more towards adults?

EPIC YO.

Oh yeah that why it is on during SAT mornings :lol: and the reason it looks so much more realistic is bc it was drawn in the traditional Marval style. Unlike Spectacular in its Manga style.

This is why you're dumb, not cuz of you're opinion. It wasn't a "serious show" and it's not reaching for an older audience because it's not supposed to. No kid's cartoon is. People like to think that cartoons are catered to them when that's not true at all. If you can enjoy it regardless of that is a different story.

Oh yeah they jst make cartoons for the fun of it and not to draw fans in to make money???? Really? and ya'll r calling Turo and Sergio Retarded? I hope u guys realize how ignorent u sound, jst relax

Cure

04-07-2011, 09:12 PM

Oh yeah they jst make cartoons for the fun of it and not to draw fans in to make money????

What? I don't...yeah...they...what?

Peanut

04-07-2011, 09:34 PM

Are Sergio and Turo602 the same person? I mean they are answering for each other...seems odd.

The guy with the shemale av/sig is a ringer Turo brought in because we hurt his feelings. Whenever Turo gets butt hurt Sergio shows up to protect him.

Also, I'm noticing the forum has a real big problem with reading comprehension lately. Either a lot of people are ESL or kids don't read no gud. I feel like Reedemer was trying to cast a f*cking spell up there.

Redeemer

04-07-2011, 09:43 PM

The guy with the shemale av/sig is a ringer Turo brought in because we hurt his feelings. Whenever Turo gets butt hurt Sergio shows up to protect him.

Also, I'm noticing the forum has a real big problem with reading comprehension lately. Either a lot of people are ESL or kids don't read no gud. I feel like Reedemer was trying to cast a f*cking spell up there.

Sorry Peanut I jst thought it was completely inapropiate for people to call each other retarded or discriminating against them bc of age. Bc I am pretty sure this is against forum rules and trolling.

Also not everybody uses English as a first language. So they not be best at typing.

and yes Peanut I am studying at Hogwartz!!!! :lol:

Peanut

04-07-2011, 09:48 PM

Sorry Peanut I jst thought it was completely inapropiate for people to call each other retarded or discriminating against them bc of age. Bc I am pretty sure this is against forum rules and trolling.

Also not everybody uses English as a first language. So they not be best at typing.

and yes Peanut I am studying at Hogwartz!!!! :lol:

I totally get the age thing. I don't...even really know where that came from in this thread, but it seems weird that came up at all.

And yeah, that's why I mentioned ESL. That's a totally legit reason for typing like a lunatic and I actually commend people who even do it. I can barely use a single language properly, I don't know how people can deal with two or more.

Also, I go to Hogwarts...or I wish I did. :(

Sergio517

04-07-2011, 09:56 PM

I'm just saying that applying words like 'epic' 'mature' and 'realistic' to TAS is ridiculous.

I liked that show but don't point at a happy meal and call it a lobster dinner.

I understand your point. I'm not calling it epic, mature, and realistic to hurt anyone. Out of all spider-man cartoons, TAS had as close to realistic looking people as any other spider-man cartoon. That's what I refer to as realistic. Epic and mature... well I'm not sure there or if I said it was those things, but overall, I do prefer it over any other spider-man show. Ultimate Spider-Man might take the cake here given how it's going back to more realism in character designs over the MTV spider-man, and spectacular.

I'm just not into watching superhero squad shows of characters I love. The whole issue I have with spectacular is that it looks too toony for what they tried doing. They had cute and cuddly villains that didn't look menacing and they tried adding mature themed issues. Spider-Man himself is a character that faces mature issues, but I don't want him to look toony. Nothing wrong with that. We all have our preferences. Your analogy about the happy meal also applies to spectacular though. Just saying.

Edit:

Redeemer knows what he's talking about. Love how you even backed your post up. But the butt hurt will always resort to insulting one's avatars, signatures, opinions, etc. They also stand by their clan and try putting up a front when someone else defends or supports a view different from theirs. Kids... No not an insult, because it really is adolescent behavior.

Cure

04-07-2011, 10:11 PM

I hated the Spider-Man movies. The people looked too real. Especially Tobey.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KevMan87/spiderman-20parker202.jpg

Ugh. Too real.

Sergio517

04-07-2011, 10:18 PM

Lame...

Movie-wise, I didn't like Tobey's portrayal of Spider-Man. He was too much of a p*ssy.

Peanut

04-07-2011, 10:25 PM

Always love the notion people throw out there that their opinions and views aren't respected, or that they're argued against because they're different.

I don't think very many people here ever have a problem with a different opinion, but let's face some facts of f*cking life here, not all opinions are created equally. I'm not saying in this specific case, because the tards on both sides have valid points, but in general.

There's a huge difference between an informed, educated opinion and an opinion based on nonsense.

Spitfire

04-07-2011, 10:29 PM

Wait. While I agree with what you're saying, I recall you saying you hated Spectacular.

I refused to watch it at first because I was being close minded about the character designs. After one episode the show had me hooked and the designs actually grew on me rather quickly. I had rose tinted memories of the TAS, a lot of which were dispelled by re-watching the whole series recently. They did some great stuff but after it ended I wanted more Spidey and this series was there to give it to me. Shame it hasn't seen a Bluray release yet, Wolverine and the X-men looks great in high def.

Slap-Happy

04-07-2011, 10:48 PM

I hated the Spider-Man movies. The people looked too real. Especially Tobey.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KevMan87/spiderman-20parker202.jpg

Ugh. Too real.
I don't know, a bit too cartoony for me:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa13/chumpsta/Cry-Face.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa13/chumpsta/cryer.jpg

ZariusTwo

04-08-2011, 06:29 AM

Redeemer

04-08-2011, 11:31 AM

I wasnt, the animation on Spectacular THRASHED Spider-Man TAS

Still dont agree :ohwell: unless u mean on the fluid motion and even then its not that much better. It does have more action scene, but that due to censorship.

Turo602

04-08-2011, 11:34 AM

Still dont agree :ohwell: unless u mean on the fluid motion and even then its not that much better. It does have more action scene, but that due to censorship.

True that. It could of been a much better show, but Fox asked for too much that it just had to end. Hopefully we get that in this new one.

Barkworm

04-08-2011, 12:02 PM

If you mention sh*t like Spider-Man TAS and a classic like the 90s Batman show in one post your opinion is automatically invalid.

Spitfire

04-08-2011, 01:37 PM

Still dont agree :ohwell: unless u mean on the fluid motion and even then its not that much better. It does have more action scene, but that due to censorship.

When's the last time you watched Spider-man TAS? The animation doesn't even begin to stack up to Spectacular. You guys mix style with quality wayyyyyy to much. What you all dislike is the style of animation. That would be how the characters are drawn. What we're talking about is how it's animated. How it moves, the frame rate, you know the actual animation. Style is not animation.

I don't want to sound rude but people get your rhetoric correct before talking about this stuff. That's directed at everyone not just Redeemer. I've been seeing this mistake in topics about the turtles toons as well.

Turo602

04-08-2011, 04:47 PM

If you mention sh*t like Spider-Man TAS and a classic like the 90s Batman show in one post your opinion is automatically invalid.

Yeah, okay. Whatever you say boss. (sarcasm):trolleye:

GK Punk

04-08-2011, 05:53 PM

Considering the fact that Spider-Man TAS Couldn't have guns, Vampires couldn't drink blood and pretty much anything related violence was banned from it, I don't see how it was a mature show at all. They were clearly aiming it at children. It's fine to like the show, but it wasn't dark and mature at all.

ToTheNines

04-08-2011, 06:04 PM

Still dont agree :ohwell: unless u mean on the fluid motion and even then its not that much better. It does have more action scene, but that due to censorship.

Wow, you're a dumbass.

Spider-man TAS had very jumpy, and awkward animation. I'm not gonna knock you for liking it, but for Christ's sake don't come here refusing to take this show of the pedestal for whatever reason you have.

At this point it seems like you guys are just defending this show tooth and nail because your "bullies" don't like it. Kind of a pathetic reason to take a stance, especially considering this is an internet message board.

Cure

04-08-2011, 07:28 PM

My main thing is saying that a cartoon looks too toony. Mind boggling.

Sergio517

04-08-2011, 10:46 PM

My main thing is saying that a cartoon looks too toony. Mind boggling.

Um no. Open your mind and use your eyes. I know life is hard, but there is a clear difference in art design that can establish a cartoon from looking too toony. A cartoon is full of toons, duh, points there sherlock. However, comparing Spectacular to TAS in art design, anyone with a brain can clearly see that spectacular is much more "toonier" vs Marvel's cartoons of the 90's. Their art style was closer to that of the comics. Spectacular went with a toonier look as Redeemer has stated with it's manga art style. The whole show is very colorful. You act like all cartoons are on the same scale of art design.

Compare Batman: Brave and the Bold's art style vs the art style found in Batman: Under the Red Hood. Obviously, one is striving for a more mature look and the other is striving to be a children's cartoon.

If you mention sh*t like Spider-Man TAS and a classic like the 90s Batman show in one post your opinion is automatically invalid.

Very juvenile.

Wow, you're a dumbass.

Spider-man TAS had very jumpy, and awkward animation. I'm not gonna knock you for liking it, but for Christ's sake don't come here refusing to take this show of the pedestal for whatever reason you have.

At this point it seems like you guys are just defending this show tooth and nail because your "bullies" don't like it. Kind of a pathetic reason to take a stance, especially considering this is an internet message board.

1. Points for the insult. It's how you must get your point across.
2. Sorry dad, for having TAS on a pedestal vs other spider-man cartoon incarnations. I must be wrong for liking the one that appeals to me more.
3. No one is defending anything. If anything, we're simply dropping our thoughts and we get nothing but insults and wise cracks from the more soured up members. It's not like they're asking for elaboration or a discussion. They're just talking crap to talk crap. It's not how discussion is carried in real life. Anonymity is bravery. These "bullies" have a right to an opinion, but I'm not the one insulting them, their intelligence, or existence just because they disagree with me.

Turo602

04-08-2011, 10:57 PM

Wow, you're a dumbass.

Spider-man TAS had very jumpy, and awkward animation. I'm not gonna knock you for liking it, but for Christ's sake don't come here refusing to take this show of the pedestal for whatever reason you have.

At this point it seems like you guys are just defending this show tooth and nail because your "bullies" don't like it. Kind of a pathetic reason to take a stance, especially considering this is an internet message board.

So now we're wrong for having an opinion? I like TAS because it's a better show to me overall. And if anyone has a problem with that they have nothing better to do then be dicks on a forum. I mean, WTF! We're discussing cartoons for f*cks sake. How old are most of you people anyway? Because for someone to say I'm stupid or retarded because I like something better, is just a dumbass. And now you're here calling Redeemer a dumbass? Bet you won't say that to his face, only behind a computer. This is what I hate about this forum. The idiots who feel like they are of higher power then others. If someone is wrong, correct them without trying to be a smart ass like if you're any better. Because I know for a fact, that nobody is perfect. Let me like what I like, for whatever the hell the reason, because no one tells me I'm wrong or stupid for liking something. It's all f*cking opinions at this point.

Cure

04-08-2011, 11:11 PM

but I'm not the one insulting them, their intelligence, or existence just because they disagree with me.

Uh-huh...

Open your mind and use your eyes.
I know life is hard
duh, points there sherlock.
Very juvenile.
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This is what I hate about this forum.

Then why keep coming back? You can, you know, leave.

Turo602

04-08-2011, 11:13 PM

Then why keep coming back? You can, you know, leave.

Because you're just an ass who isn't going to ruin my time here. You're obviously the real winner here.

Sergio517

04-08-2011, 11:15 PM

Uh-huh...

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Then why keep coming back? You can, you know, leave.

Um gee... None of those qualify toward your opinions now do they. More like a balance to your... what do you guys call it here... sarcastic posting style. Try harder.

The Stryker

04-09-2011, 12:01 PM

Candy Kappa

04-09-2011, 12:41 PM

You act like all cartoons are on the same scale of art design

And they ain't?

Redeemer

04-09-2011, 01:49 PM

If you mention sh*t like Spider-Man TAS and a classic like the 90s Batman show in one post your opinion is automatically invalid.
Hey jst my opinion and I have backed up my claim in previos post.

When's the last time you watched Spider-man TAS? The animation doesn't even begin to stack up to Spectacular. You guys mix style with quality wayyyyyy to much. What you all dislike is the style of animation. That would be how the characters are drawn. What we're talking about is how it's animated. How it moves, the frame rate, you know the actual animation. Style is not animation.
I don't want to sound rude but people get your rhetoric correct before talking about this stuff. That's directed at everyone not just Redeemer. I've been seeing this mistake in topics about the turtles toons as well.

Last semester at college actaully me and 4 other guys :lol: and second I know what I am talking about. Spectacular had poor details. It was great with fluid animation, but they sacrificed detail to make it more fluid. Thats why I say there about even. I give the edge to spectacular still bc of how impressive fluid the animation was.

Wow, you're a dumbass.

Spider-man TAS had very jumpy, and awkward animation. I'm not gonna knock you for liking it, but for Christ's sake don't come here refusing to take this show of the pedestal for whatever reason you have.

At this point it seems like you guys are just defending this show tooth and nail because your "bullies" don't like it. Kind of a pathetic reason to take a stance, especially considering this is an internet message board.

ToTheNines shut the Hell up and stop insulting people go troll on another board. U may not be knocking for my taste, but u havent read through the thread and I have PROVEN and EXPLAINED why I liked Spider-man TAS and why I hold it in such high regards.
And as for defending it. Its a conversation, but people like u have to start trolling and ruin topics and boards.

Uh-huh...

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Then why keep coming back? You can, you know, leave.

:lol: This made me laugh I not going to lie, but same can be said for both parties. I think people jst need to remember this is suppose to be fun. :P
I think some people need to read the rules, ecspecially about trolling. If u are offended by this comment then it most likely applies to u

Candy Kappa

04-09-2011, 01:57 PM

Spectacular had poor details.

you may call it "poor detailing", but it's the simplicity and the stylization I love about Cheeks art style.

Redeemer

04-09-2011, 02:11 PM

you may call it "poor detailing", but it's the simplicity and the stylization I love about Cheeks art style.

Yeah simplicity would be a better word for it and I understand, that is simply a preference. I like my characters and scenes overal to have great detail. I will say that they were genius by using dark fight scenes at time, bc that allowed them to use even less detail, but look the same. Major props to them.

Take note how he didn't call me a dumbass or insult me at all. He simply gave his opinion! :lol:

Sergio517

04-09-2011, 03:05 PM

Kind of a side question but you brought up a show and brushed it off. Brave and the bold.

You say it's obviously a kids show but have you watched it? The entire show is one giant nod to older fans. Don't even start on the art style since it's all based on the 60s Batman and is meant to be a throwback.

It should also be noted that these shows stem from comic books and characters that were created for children.

You're 100% correct. With Brave and the Bold, I knew what to expect. That show I have no problem with. I accepted the campy-ness of it and the whole direction the show went with. I didn't bring it up to be negative toward it just to clear things up there.

Regarding your comic statement though. Not all comics are geared toward children. Not unless you count teens as children. Not sure where the borderline age/maturity lies for you regarding what constitutes as children, but I've always felt that comics were geared toward an older audience ranging from teen and up otherwise comics would not have such mature, compelling, and intelligent stories. I don't think Batman was created for young children. His earliest incarnation had him using guns.

And they ain't?

No. There are many art styles. Check out Batman: Gotham Knight to see various art styles.

Candy Kappa

04-09-2011, 05:59 PM

No. There are many art styles. Check out Batman: Gotham Knight to see various art styles.

yes, Gotham Knight have a wide array of different designs, art design.

Spitfire

04-09-2011, 06:18 PM

So now we're wrong for having an opinion? It's all f*cking opinions at this point.

You know what really helps people not make fun of you? Knowing what you're talking about. If you simply just say you dislike something that's fine but when you go into detail and bring up things that make no sense people will call you out on it. Whether you like Spider-man TAS better then Spectacular is irrelevant, it's a fact that Spectacular has better animation. Not an opinion, a fact.

Saying something is your opinion does not give you free reign to make bogus claims or just state something that's out right wrong simply because you believe it to be true. If I told you it was my opinion the Holocaust never happened you would think I was raving mad. Experts could prove me wrong and no matter how much I thought otherwise I would be. Any one who knows anything about animation will tell you that TAS's animation was really rather poor and Spectacular's was worlds better.

Dislike things all you like, no one cares about that. It's when you become a half baked expert that people start calling you out on it.

Turo602

04-09-2011, 06:35 PM

You know what really helps people not make fun of you? Knowing what you're talking about. If you simply just say you dislike something that's fine but when you go into detail and bring up things that make no sense people will call you out on it. Whether you like Spider-man TAS better then Spectacular is irrelevant, it's a fact that Spectacular has better animation. Not an opinion, a fact.

Saying something is your opinion does not give you free reign to make bogus claims or just state something that's out right wrong simply because you believe it to be true. If I told you it was my opinion the Holocaust never happened you would think I was raving mad. Experts could prove me wrong and no matter how much I thought otherwise I would be. Any one who knows anything about animation will tell you that TAS's animation was really rather poor and Spectacular's was worlds better.

Dislike things all you like, no one cares about that. It's when you become a half baked expert that people start calling you out on it.

Of course the animation is better. When did I ever say it wasn't? You're talking about a show that came out in the 90s compared to a show that came out in 2008. I know the difference between animation and design. I said I like TAS better then Spectacular because it had better design, not animation, I myself agreed to Spectacular having better animation and action sequences due to less limitations. Just because a show is newer and can do a lot more then an older one doesn't make it better. So no, it's not my fault people got offended and decided to talk sh*t to me. I myself like Spectacular Spider-Man, but prefer TAS better. I liked the stories, I liked the crossovers, and I liked how they looked more serious. Dude, get your facts straight.

Spitfire

04-09-2011, 07:02 PM

When did I ever say it wasn't?

Maybe you didn't, but the other people included in your "So now we're wrong for having an opinion?" statement did. It was a blanket statement your quote was just a good starting point.

Jester

04-09-2011, 07:32 PM

So I'm rewatching Spidey TAS. I'm guessing those of you decrying its animation are talking about the action...because the animation seems solid, when things are slow and there's not a lot going on.

Redeemer

04-09-2011, 08:44 PM

Maybe you didn't, but the other people included in your "So now we're wrong for having an opinion?" statement did. It was a blanket statement your quote was just a good starting point.

No, I am the one that said it. And u need to stop trolling. its getting ridiculous.
-Spetacular only has better fluid motion with their scenes.
-TAS, has greater detail, and more life lick enviorment. They used Drawing perspective to give it a 3d rendering.
-Spetacular does not have line of perspective, it makes the enviorment seem flat, cheap.
-Spectacular also uses alot of dark scenes and over shades making it seem heavy, but when they are in day time, it lacks shading, making it lifeless.
-TAS uses apropiate shading in most scenes,
I can go on and on. The funny theing is that u cant really campare the animation much at all simply bc TAS=Western style and Spectacular=Manga style.
So I'm rewatching Spidey TAS. I'm guessing those of you decrying its animation are talking about the action...because the animation seems solid, when things are slow and there's not a lot going on.

I agree with u. I jst hate how sensorship hindered so many tv show in the 90's such as the OT :(

The Stryker

04-09-2011, 08:48 PM

I think you need to learn what trolling is. You can't just slap that on any counterpoint.

Redeemer

04-09-2011, 08:59 PM

I think you need to learn what trolling is. You can't just slap that on any counterpoint.

No, but when I c people discriminating other members for their age, calling others dumbass and going around straight up mocking other members is pretty much trolling. If not boarderline harrasment :lol:

Spitfire

04-09-2011, 09:03 PM

I think you need to learn what trolling is. You can't just slap that on any counterpoint.

He needs to learn how to spell too.

So I'm rewatching Spidey TAS. I'm guessing those of you decrying its animation are talking about the action...because the animation seems solid, when things are slow and there's not a lot going on.
The problem with it is they noticeably recycled a lot of animation. And yeah the fight scenes were pretty choppy sometimes. For the time it was alright, though stacked up against other series like Batman which came out years before, the animation isn't anything amazing.

My only argument was that Spectacular has better animation. I keep seeing counter points that talk about the style in which it's drawn. They're completely different subjects. Turo seems to be the only one whose figured it out so far.

-TAS, has greater detail, and more life lick enviorment. They used Drawing perspective to give it a 3d rendering.
That was not drawing perspective. It had actual 3D, and it looked terrible.

Redeemer

04-09-2011, 09:09 PM

He needs to learn how to spell too.

The problem with it is they noticeably recycled a lot of animation. And yeah the fight scenes were pretty choppy sometimes. For the time it was alright, though stacked up against other series like Batman which came out years before, the animation isn't anything amazing.

My only argument was that Spectacular has better animation. I keep seeing counter points that talk about the style in which it's drawn. They're completely different subjects. Turo seems to be the only one whose figured it out so far.

That was not drawing perspective. It had actual 3D, and it looked terrible.

lol I have Dyslexia, I can switch my words around, ecspecially when I type fast or speak fast.

Second I am the one whos been explaining the difference in the styles with Western vs Manga/East style.

Third it is using line of perspective, that is how u make 3d animation without using cgi.

Slap-Happy

04-09-2011, 09:40 PM

Spectacular had poor details. It was great with fluid animation, but they sacrificed detail to make it more fluid.

Um... No, they didn't have to sacrifice s*it. Cartoons are specifically designed a certain way before a show is made, you know, so they ACTUALLY know what it's going to look like.

There have been hundreds of cartoons with super detailed designs and fluid animation. The characters were designed that way to look unique, which I'm sorry to tell you, is the opposite of TAS. That show has some of the most generic designs I've ever seen in a cartoon.

Spitfire

04-09-2011, 09:46 PM

Third it is using line of perspective, that is how u make 3d animation without using cgi.

Except it was CGI.
Originally, Marvel Films planned to make the backgrounds completely CGI while Spider-Man 'webslinged' around New York, yet due to budget constraints were forced to use traditional cel based animation while occasionally using CGI backgrounds. As well, reuse of animation became more common as the series progressed, which also included reuse of animation involving a character speaking (these scenes were sometimes slowed down in order to better match the actor's voice to the animation).

They used CGI plates for a lot of the swinging scenes, and some of the action ones too.

Redeemer

04-09-2011, 09:55 PM

Um... No, they didn't have to sacrifice s*it. Cartoons are specifically designed a certain way before a show is made, you know, so they ACTUALLY know what it's going to look like.

There have been hundreds of cartoons with super detailed designs and fluid animation. The characters were designed that way to look unique, which I'm sorry to tell you, is the opposite of TAS. That show has some of the most generic designs I've ever seen in a cartoon.

WRONG!!! c how annoying that is? I am want my super heroes to look like Super heroes. TAS had great atomic detail, making seem more life like. Sorry should of specific on the detail. I like how detailed the mucsle on characters looked. or even the facial expression. It actually look like they were speaking the words.
With Spectacular the characters looked slick giving them a unique look, but didn't look much like a super hero. And when they speak it doesn't look as realistic.

If u guys wanna know whERE I am getting my info its "How to draw comics the Marvel way" Stan Lee himself. they even have video on Youtube.

All bc u guys don't like what I am saying, then u dont have to call me names and please don't insult me by saying I am wrong when I am studying and even have the books in front of me, ur jst insulting my intelligence.

Oh and Spitfire as for the Swinging scenes u right they used CGI on most of those. The action scenes not so much