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TMNT_2010
06-14-2011, 11:59 PM
When I used to watch the show as a kid I always looked forward to the next episode with Baxter Stockman since I kept hoping he would turn back into a human at some point.
When he first appeared he was just a regular guy with a good idea who wanted to help people get rid of rats. Then Shredder used him, mostly by bullying him around and verbally abusing him and he started going a bit nuts.
Throw in a mutation into a fly and he finally snaps. It always just seemed like if he turned back into a human maybe he could go back to being a normal guy. Instead he's stuck as a fly forever.
Anybody else felt sorry for Poor Baxter Stockman?
And didn't the turtles basically steal his car and his things to make the turtle van?
CyberCubed
06-15-2011, 12:02 AM
Fun Fact: Baxter's last appearance in the original cartoon has him trapped in limbo between dimensional barriers again.
Since the show ended, we have no clue if Baxter ever got back to Earth or was lost in dimensional limbo forever.
Count me in. He was a tragic villain, seduced by evil.
Jester
06-15-2011, 12:10 AM
In both universes, Baxter was a pretty pitiable character. I kinda hoped he'd be restored to a human in the FW series, he got the shaft, not just from Shredder and Krang, but the Turtles treated him very badly.
4Kids Baxter got a bit of a happy ending, working with President Bishop in the future.
CyberCubed
06-15-2011, 12:31 AM
And in the comics, Donatello blasts Baxter to bits because he's sick of him hanging on his wall. :lol:
Jester
06-15-2011, 12:33 AM
And in the comics, Donatello blasts Baxter to bits because he's sick of him hanging on his wall. :lol:
Poor Baxter Stockman, indeed.
CyberCubed
06-15-2011, 12:35 AM
Its too bad Baxter never returns in the Archie series after the episode adaptions. Would have been interesting to see fly-Baxter in Archie, oh well.
Spitfire
06-15-2011, 12:40 AM
Yeah I would have liked that too. Archie did some cool stuff with the characters it used. I don't know Baxter was better off left in limbo. His mind was degenerating. Every time he showed up he was more fly like. He was dangerous with the right person telling him what to do. If I remember though his computer buddy wasn't much but a circuit board by the end of his last encounter with the turtles. Unless he was like Brainiac I'd say he didn't last long.
CyberCubed
06-15-2011, 12:43 AM
Yeah. I am kinda hoping the Nick version mutates him into a fly again, only so we can see another take of him like that.
Seems like we'll see human baxter using robots/cyborg stuff in the beginning of the Nick show, but I hope they mutate him later on.
4Kids Baxter got a bit of a happy ending, working with President Bishop in the future.
He also kinda deserved the tortures he was dealt. You lie with dogs, you wake up with turtle power up in yo face.
ChetTurtle
06-15-2011, 01:34 AM
One of the few traditions kept in all tmnt universes (sans movies and NM) if they keep Stockman for the Nick show, another cyborg/mutant would be nice. Now that I think about it, Stockman in a movie could be very interesting
Jester
06-15-2011, 01:36 AM
Hmm....I wonder if we could have Baxter as the main villain in the next movie.
BAXTER STOCKMAN 19
06-15-2011, 05:38 AM
Hmm....I wonder if we could have Baxter as the main villain in the next movie.
He was also in the second movie '' The secret of the ooze. He was working on TCRI and Shredder kidnaped him and he created Toka and Rahzar. What will happen to Nick baxter? I will like to see Baxter in Nick show to be a human and not be mutated or turned into a cyborg.
Jester
06-15-2011, 05:42 AM
He was also in the second movie '' The secret of the ooze. He was working on TCRI and Shredder kidnaped him and he created Toka and Rahzar. What will happen to Nick baxter? I will like to see Baxter in Nick show to be a human and not be mutated or turned into a cyborg.
That wasn't Baxter, that was Prof. Jordan Perry.
plasticturtle
06-15-2011, 05:45 AM
Wouldn't being trapped in dimensional limbo pretty much be a death sentence? I can't imagine there was anything like food and water there. Pretty soon he'll either starve, die of thirst or some combination of the two.
I guess it's just Baxter's lot in life to be crapped on.
Jester
06-15-2011, 05:47 AM
Wouldn't being trapped in dimensional limbo pretty much be a death sentence? I can't imagine there was anything like food and water there. Pretty soon he'll either starve, die of thirst or some combination of the two.
I guess it's just Baxter's lot in life to be crapped on.
It's almost like Baxter was sent to the Phantom/Negative Zone...depending on which comic book company you like better.
ssjup81
06-15-2011, 07:16 AM
For the OT, I really really felt sorry for Baxter and the treatment he received from Krang and Shredder wasn't deserved at all and still don't understand why they treated him like crap to the extent that they did.
Even when in fly form, I felt sorry for him, because of his intelligence leaving him having been turned into a fly.
As for Mirage Baxter, I didn't feel as sorry for him and I guess it's because he did all of his actions on his own, unless I missed something.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-24-2011, 07:24 AM
Hmm....I wonder if we could have Baxter as the main villain in the next movie.
Sounds good.
TheCanadiandrome
06-24-2011, 05:43 PM
Hmm....I wonder if we could have Baxter as the main villain in the next movie.
yes, so long as it's Fly Baxter and not Black Baxter
ChetTurtle
06-24-2011, 05:53 PM
yes, so long as it's Fly Baxter and not Black Baxter
Why? ..... and why not both?
ABrown
06-24-2011, 06:04 PM
yes, so long as it's Fly Baxter and not Black Baxter
What a racist!!! JK ;)
I had no idea racism existed in Canadia. :o
plasticturtle
06-24-2011, 10:25 PM
For the OT, I really really felt sorry for Baxter and the treatment he received from Krang and Shredder wasn't deserved at all and still don't understand why they treated him like crap to the extent that they did.
Even when in fly form, I felt sorry for him, because of his intelligence leaving him having been turned into a fly.
As for Mirage Baxter, I didn't feel as sorry for him and I guess it's because he did all of his actions on his own, unless I missed something.
They treated him like that because they're villains. That's kinda what villains do. They're bad guys not care bears. ;)
ssjup81
06-25-2011, 10:01 AM
They treated him like that because they're villains. That's kinda what villains do. They're bad guys not care bears. ;)I know they're villains, but if they would've turned him back, they could've used him. He was really smart and stuff. That's one thing I hate about villains. They don't use some characters to their full potential.
BAXTER STOCKMAN 19
06-25-2011, 11:11 AM
what will Shredder to in the Nick Baxter? will he mutate him in a fly or will he destroy his body and keep his brain?
Coola Yagami
06-25-2011, 11:48 AM
Baxter was too far gone at that point. Turning him into a human again would have still kept him all deranged and evil and still wanting revenge for spending the last... whatever years... as a fly in the first place. But knowing the old cartoon, and all cartoons that follow the eternal status quo... he would have turned human, did some half-baked evil plan that fails.. and somehow end up as a fly again and stuck in limbo by the end of the episode.
plasticturtle
06-25-2011, 12:06 PM
I know they're villains, but if they would've turned him back, they could've used him. He was really smart and stuff. That's one thing I hate about villains. They don't use some characters to their full potential.
Why would they need Baxter when they had Krang? He was probably smarter than Baxter and had better toys. The Technodrome alone is proof of that.
ssjup81
06-25-2011, 12:22 PM
Why would they need Baxter when they had Krang? He was probably smarter than Baxter and had better toys. The Technodrome alone is proof of that.Well, yeah. Good point. Still would've been nice to have human Baxter back to try and get revenge on them instead of Fly Baxter who was losing brain cells for being a fly.
Or have Barney, Baxter's identical twin, team up with Baxter once. I'm sure Barney was ticked at Raph for destroying his Gag-A-Magnifier.
yes, so long as it's Fly Baxter and not Black Baxter
Just for that, I hope the next TMNT movie has black Baxter in it, and he's portrayed by Chris friggin' Rock.
http://www.papermag.com/uploaded_images/chrisrock.jpg
ToTheNines
06-25-2011, 03:52 PM
Blackster Stockman should be a movie one of these days.
redlotusfire
06-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Blackster Stockman should be a movie one of these days.
As long as his brother doesn't get a movie.
ChetTurtle
06-25-2011, 06:01 PM
Baxter was too far gone at that point. Turning him into a human again would have still kept him all deranged and evil and still wanting revenge for spending the last... whatever years... as a fly in the first place. But knowing the old cartoon, and all cartoons that follow the eternal status quo... he would have turned human, did some half-baked evil plan that fails.. and somehow end up as a fly again and stuck in limbo by the end of the episode.
Which is exactly the same as the plot of "Insane in the Membrane" in the 2k3 series!
Blackster Stockman should be a movie one of these days.
Yes he should.
Coola Yagami
06-27-2011, 12:13 PM
Which is exactly the same as the plot of "Insane in the Membrane" in the 2k3 series!
rofl... how true... he regained his body and became a brain-in-a-jar again in the same episode...
TheCanadiandrome
06-27-2011, 02:59 PM
I had no idea racism existed in Canadia. :o
lol :tlol:
What a racist!!! JK ;)
rofl! never! :tlol:
Why? ..... and why not both?
never liked the one from the 2K3 series that's why. Baxter will always be the fly to me
Bauer536
06-27-2011, 05:08 PM
Just for that, I hope the next TMNT movie has black Baxter in it, and he's portrayed by Chris friggin' Rock.
http://www.papermag.com/uploaded_images/chrisrock.jpg
:tmad:No! No! NO! Absolutely not! That guy who makes fun of blacks and whites and tells dirty jokes. No way!:tmad: I want a black Baxter, too. But at least let him be portrayed by Denzel Washington or Jamie Foxx. No wait: Courtney B. Vance from Law and Order: Criminal Intent.:tsmile: That could work. Anybody but Chris Rock!:tcouch:
Anybody but Chris Rock!:tcouch:
Or Dave Chappelle. :sick:
:tmad:No! No! NO! Absolutely not! That guy who makes fun of blacks and whites and tells dirty jokes. No way!:tmad:
You know we're talking about Baxter Stockman, right? The guy who makes fun of GREEN TURTLES?
I want a black Baxter, too. But at least let him be portrayed by Denzel Washington or Jamie Foxx. No wait: Courtney B. Vance from Law and Order: Criminal Intent.:tsmile: That could work. Anybody but Chris Rock!:tcouch:
You must really want the movie's budget to deflate, don't ya?
Thank God I didn't mention Katt Williams. Oops! Too late...!
Bauer536
06-27-2011, 09:17 PM
Katt Williams?!!!:teek: Oh god! That's even worse!:tmad: Anyway, sorry that you don't like my cast ideas. I'm hoping it's someone that looks like a younger Forest Whitaker with a mix of a new face we haven't seen before. Like I say, we'll just have to wait and see.:tsmile:
Thank God I didn't mention Katt Williams. Oops! Too late...!
*afraid to google* :tcouch:
Jester
06-27-2011, 09:25 PM
You know who should be Baxter in the next movie...Zombie Richard Pryor!!
Shreddhead
06-27-2011, 09:52 PM
i felt rather similar as a kid myself. shedder walked all over baxter
Katt Williams?!!!:teek: Oh god! That's even worse!:tmad: Anyway, sorry that you don't like my cast ideas. I'm hoping it's someone that looks like a younger Forest Whitaker with a mix of a new face we haven't seen before. Like I say, we'll just have to wait and see.:tsmile:
It's not that I don't like 'em. They are just too farfetched.
Shreddhead
06-28-2011, 05:19 PM
You know who should be Baxter in the next movie...Zombie Richard Pryor!!
Man i love Pryor, but if there's anything the superman movies have taught me it is that he is not the most convincing evildoer
prometheanworks
07-18-2011, 02:56 PM
Tragic? Yes. Awesome because of it (and because he's a fly)? Yes.
Provided he's a half fly mutation (regardless of color) I'm there.
AK_Mikey_Fan
07-18-2011, 04:49 PM
I always did see Baxter as a tragic bad guy. Poor guy got pulled into the whole thing because of the mouser incident. And after that, being stomped on and then almost incinerated in a machine, only to be cross-mutated with a bug? Yeah, very tragic indeed
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