Multiverse count!

[ToTheNines]

Thought this might be a neat thread. Let's try to count how many seperate dimensions there are in the TMNT Multiverse. I'll just throw up a couple to get started since I got work super early tomorrow, but let me know what else should go on the list and I'll update whenever possible.

Despite my personal opinion, I'm splitting up the movies, next mutation and TMNT just to avoid that argument. Feel free to get fired up about anything else, but I'm quite sick of that one in particular.

If anything's in the gray area, I'll more than likely just split them up just to see how high a number we can reach. Here goes:

1. Mirage (Image)
2. Fred Wolf Cartoon
3. 4kids Cartoon
4. New Line Movies
5. The Next Mutation
6. TMNT (2007)
7. Archie's TMNT Adventures
8. IDW Comics
9. Nickelodeon Cartoon
10. Michael Zulli Comics
11. Hedden and McWeeny Comics
12. Mark Bode Comics
13. Mark Martin Comics
14. Same as it Never Was
15. 1990's Konami Games
16. Tournament Fighters Super Nintendo
17. 2000's Konami Games
18. Legend of the SuperMutants OVA
19. Playmates Toys
20. Smash-Up
21. Operation Blue Line
22. Matt Howarth Comics
23. Turtle Prime branch-off
24. Coming Out of Their Shells/Turtle Tunes/Turtles Christmas and other musicals
25. Dreamwave Comics
26. Super Turtles
27. Lightning Comics' "Creed" comic book
28. Minsk Publishing's Russian Comics
29. Mutant Turtles Gaiden manga books
30. TMNT Comic Strip
31. The Hyperstone Heist
32. Flaming Carrot Comics
33. Tournament Fighters Sega Genesis
34. Green-Grey Sponge Suit Sushi Turtles
35. Las Tortugas Ninja Comics
36. Palladium's TMNT & Other Strangeness
37. Simon Spotlight's Kid Books
38. Dan Berger's TMNT Letters (official website)
39. TMNT The Official Magazine
40. Equine The Uncivilized Comics
41. The Last of the Viking Heroes Comics
42. CBS Action Zone's Cyber Strike
43. Random House's Kid Books
44. Konami Arcade Games
45. The Manhattan Missions
46. Konami Gameboy Games
47. Bill Fitts' Adult Only Mini-comic
48. Arcade Attack
49. Ralson Cereal Mini-comic
50. Archie Future
51. TMNT: Out of The Shadows
52. Ninja Turtles (2014)
53. TMNT: New Animated Adventures

Your turn :)

[Jester]

The Super Turtles are one...

If you go by images shown on Turtles Forever there's a Cube Craft Universe...:D

[CyberCubed]

Aren't the videogames based on those particular cartoons though, essentially taking place in that universe? I know the 2k3 games had slightly altered stories, but that's just because they were trying to cut down a season to fit into the timeframe of a game.

Likewise I don't really view the Playmates toys as their own universe, I just see whatever mutant or character there that didn't get an ep in the cartoon to be a potential character to show up, but we never saw them.

For all we know, perhaps the OT Turtles did have a battle with the likes of Pizzaface, Monty Moose, and Scratch, and the only info about that is on the card.

Also TMNT Hero Turtle comics....

[Jester]

The 80's games and the toys I'd count as their own universes. They introduce characters from multiple universes and tend to hodge-podge. The 4kids based games, I'd say fit that universe...they don't add any characters from other parts of the franchise.

[John Pannozzi]

Turtles Prime/ Eastman & Laird's TMNT (vol. 1 #1) from May 1984

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue

Savage Dragon/ Highbrow Universe (the Turtles' crossovers with Dragon and Vanguard happened simultaneously in both their universe and Dragon's pre-Savage World universe)

Big Bang Comics Universe (same as Dragon's universe)

Whatever Universe "Shattered Image" happened in (FYI, Erik Larsen doesn't consider this miniseries part of the Savage Dragon canon, so I'd say it happened in its own little corner of the multiverse).

Matt Howarth's TMNT (vol. 1 #41 and the Haunted Pizza one-shot special)

Flaming Carrot Universe

Cerebus Universe (maybe TMNT vol. 1 #8 happened simultaneously in both the TMNT and Cerebus's respective universes?)

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)

[Jester]

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue

I'd say that's FW, but then again...it could be a splinter of the FW universe, ala the Archie series.

*Man I'm bad. I capitalized Splinter when it's the word...not the mutant rat....:D

[ABrown]

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue


So wait, you mean the original cartoon's Michaelangello didn't actually help teach some kid about the danger of drugs? Well I'll be. I just figured that Shredder and Krang weren't up to anything bad that Saturday morning (April 21st, 1990).

[Jester]

What would make this even more complicated is to work in tangents...

I.E:
Fred Wolf --> Archie
|
V--> Cartoon All-Stars

[gobo]

I cast my vote for a TMNT franchise/family tree. :D

[Jester]

I cast my vote for a TMNT franchise/family tree. :D
That exact though had crossed my mind...:P

[Powder]

All of The Below

Turtles Prime/ Eastman & Laird's TMNT (vol. 1 #1) from May 1984
= Mirage

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue
= Original (Fred Wolf) cartoon

Savage Dragon/ Highbrow Universe (the Turtles' crossovers with Dragon and Vanguard happened simultaneously in both their universe and Dragon's pre-Savage World universe)
= Mirage/Image

Big Bang Comics Universe (same as Dragon's universe)
= Mirage/Image

Whatever Universe "Shattered Image" happened in (FYI, Erik Larsen doesn't consider this miniseries part of the Savage Dragon canon, so I'd say it happened in its own little corner of the multiverse).
- Fair enough though it's so small I wouldn't even count it period

Matt Howarth's TMNT (vol. 1 #41 and the Haunted Pizza one-shot special)
- Ok

Flaming Carrot Universe
= 50% Mirage

Cerebus Universe (maybe TMNT vol. 1 #8 happened simultaneously in both the TMNT and Cerebus's respective universes?)
= Mirage

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)
= Next Mutation

No reason to branch these out into their own, obviously it's easy to put them where they fit...

[Master Splinter]

Here's this to help... The Multiverse Collage by Demon Alukard

http://mutantooze.org/tmntdb/other/tmntmultiverse/TMNT_Multiverse_Collage_by_demon_alukard.jpg

-ms

[Master Splinter]

What about Dean Clarrain and Dan Berger's comic strip? Would that be it's own universe?

-ms

[Oniri]

What about that one TMNT/Spawn crossover someone posted here? Can that count as its own universe or does it have to be more than one issue? :trazz:

[Powder]

What about Dean Clarrain and Dan Berger's comic strip? Would that be it's own universe?

-ms

I'd consider it Archie, personally.

What about that one TMNT/Spawn crossover someone posted here? Can that count as its own universe or does it have to be more than one issue? :trazz:


I dunno, I'd throw it into the Mirage/Image universe.

[ToTheNines]

The 80's games and the toys I'd count as their own universes. They introduce characters from multiple universes and tend to hodge-podge. The 4kids based games, I'd say fit that universe...they don't add any characters from other parts of the franchise.

The 4kids games have characters like Slashurr who aren't canon with the actual cartoon. Plus in the first game they fight the Turtlebot and a Foot Mech, which doesn't happen until season 2 of the show.

What about Dean Clarrain and Dan Berger's comic strip? Would that be it's own universe?

-ms

I'd remembered them, but I forgot to ask if there was anything in them that contradicted "Adventures" canon.

The Super Turtles are one...

Number 18?


Turtles Prime/ Eastman & Laird's TMNT (vol. 1 #1) from May 1984
= Mirage

Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue
= Original (Fred Wolf) cartoon

Savage Dragon/ Highbrow Universe (the Turtles' crossovers with Dragon and Vanguard happened simultaneously in both their universe and Dragon's pre-Savage World universe)
= Mirage/Image

Big Bang Comics Universe (same as Dragon's universe)
= Mirage/Image

Whatever Universe "Shattered Image" happened in (FYI, Erik Larsen doesn't consider this miniseries part of the Savage Dragon canon, so I'd say it happened in its own little corner of the multiverse).
- Fair enough though it's so small I wouldn't even count it period

Matt Howarth's TMNT (vol. 1 #41 and the Haunted Pizza one-shot special)
- Ok

Flaming Carrot Universe
= 50% Mirage

Cerebus Universe (maybe TMNT vol. 1 #8 happened simultaneously in both the TMNT and Cerebus's respective universes?)
= Mirage

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)
= Next Mutation

No reason to branch these out into their own, obviously it's easy to put them where they fit...


Bingo. Thank you.

[ToTheNines]

Can anyone confirm that all the stupid live-action musical's are in the same continuity as one another?

Likewise I don't really view the Playmates toys as their own universe, I just see whatever mutant or character there that didn't get an ep in the cartoon to be a potential character to show up, but we never saw them.

For all we know, perhaps the OT Turtles did have a battle with the likes of Pizzaface, Monty Moose, and Scratch, and the only info about that is on the card.

But certain character's origins deviate from the what they are in the show. Ace Duck, Slash (I think) and some others. Plus all those stupid turtle variants have a little blurb about them. Even if it's a retarded paragraph to help sell a toy, it's still fiction.

[Jester]

Can anyone confirm that all the stupid live-action musical's are in the same continuity as one another?

I think so...the Turtle Tunes and Turtle Christmas have modified Getting Down in Your Town costumes, which was a spin-off (squeal?) of the Coming Out of Their Shells tour.

[gobo]

I'd remembered them, but I forgot to ask if there was anything in them that contradicted "Adventures" canon.
There was. While there might have been more than one instance,
I recall the characters Scul & Bean borrowed their design from admitting to being roaches and talking about their king, who is named Kafka (as in the novelist who wrote himself transforming into a cockroach).

[ToTheNines]

There was. While there might have been more than one instance,
I recall the characters Scul & Bean borrowed their design from admitting to being roaches and talking about their king, who is named Kafka (as in the novelist who wrote himself transforming into a cockroach).

Nice.

How about the different platforms of Tournament fighters? Was the story different between Sega and Nintendo versions?

[Powder]

I think so...the Turtle Tunes and Turtle Christmas have modified Getting Down in Your Town costumes, which was a spin-off (squeal?) of the Coming Out of Their Shells tour.

I say COOTS & all of those musical VHS specials should all be one universe. Pretty much the same costumes & everything.

[Jester]

There was. While there might have been more than one instance,
I recall the characters Scul & Bean borrowed their design from admitting to being roaches and talking about their king, who is named Kafka (as in the novelist who wrote himself transforming into a cockroach).
I'm reading through scans I have of them and wow...Scul and Bean are called Brik and Brak...and if you thought TMNT Adventures were eco-preachy, Murphy kicks it up a notch in these strips

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Also TMNT Hero Turtle comics....

UK Hero Turtles comics.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Nice.

How about the different platforms of Tournament fighters? Was the story different between Sega and Nintendo versions?

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles:_Tournament_Fighters

The SEGA version is set in Dimension X.

[Cryomancer]

Super Turtles can technically be argued as part of Fred Wolf. They used the exact same designs on the Neutrino leader people, and bothered to explain why Shredder looks different now (the turtles destroyed his normal outfit in battle). It's strange, but they did make an effort to connect them.

Mutant Turtles Gaiden though, that can pretty much be it's own thing. It seems like it could just be "episodes of FW in manga form", but it does the origin story itself, Irma has a fairly drastic re-design, the Technodrome...is not the Technodrome, there is no Krang, and hell the TMNT even have somewhat altered outfits. It's obviously originally based upon FW material, but does what it wants to without sticking to it very much.

[gobo]

I thought Super Turtles was the official Mirage reimagining of the TMNT as a superhero team. The OVA is pretty much a toy commercial for the Turtle Sentai (?) and Metal Mutants..

[John Pannozzi]

Green-Grey Sponge-Suit Sushi Turtles

Equine The Uncivilized

Ninjara serial from Furrlough

Miami Mice

Pre-Teen Dirty-Gene Kung-Fu Kangaroos

The Last of the Viking Heroes (the Turtles wear different colored bandanas in this, FYI)

The Super Turtles Manga (tells a similar but different story than the OVA)

Division Comics (Las Tortugas Ninja)

Cyber Strike (from CBS Action Zone)

TMNT Magazine's comics and stories

[Cryomancer]

I thought Super Turtles was the official Mirage reimagining of the TMNT as a superhero team. The OVA is pretty much a toy commercial for the Turtle Sentai (?) and Metal Mutants..

I'm talking about Super Turtles the manga, which is effectively the same universe as the OVA, at least. But from my work on the first volume of the manga thus far, I think it could mesh with FW. Of course, there's still two volumes to go, so maybe something totally out there will happen.

[ToTheNines]

I was also gonna count Dan Berger's TMNT letters that he used to do. Were those all canon with one another?

And what about Mutant Melee? Did that have a story line?

[Cryomancer]

Hell, what about Tournament Fighters? Every version of that game is something else.

The TMNT arcade style bralwers can probably be claimed as FW offshoots, but what about the first NES game? Mirage?

[ToTheNines]

How's about the TMNT Adventures Specials? Are they each their own thing or what?

[Jester]

I think the Archie Specials are like the Tales of the Archie comics. They stories occur within the larger narrative.

[ToTheNines]

I sold the only one I've ever owned, and I remember it being whacky as all get out. #8 I think.

[sdp]

Here (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=17478)is an old thread about the Turtles multiverse but it was made a few years before Turtles Forever so its a bit outdates.

As far as videogames, I don't think they all deserve their own continuity, I think all the games based off the OT can be one continuity easily and works fine. While it was based on the OT it didn't take place on that universe but the storylines from each game are consistent enough to be able to be the same. The 2k3 games while based on the show are their own continuity technically, since the handheld games re-count the same thing but differently I think they are also a different continuity. And the Ubisoft games can be one continuity.

I also think at least the original toyline deserves its own universe, most toys had bios that were different from the actual show, tons of characters we never saw on the show plus the artwork featured stuff that we would never see in the OT. I don't think I'm alone that when I played with my TMNT toys I wasn't playing the OT, I was playing the awesome universe the toyline made me imagine, so I definitely think it deserves its own universe. Of course I won't mention the Movie/TNM/TMNT2007 since we don't want to open up that debate yet again. But yeah.

If a something is different enough it deserves its own universe however, if there's enough consistencies I don't see why various media can't be one universe. For example the Dreamwave comic never got to expand outside the 2k3 show and I think the one original story it made easily fits unlike the videogames so I think thats not a different universe but part of 2k3. Same with the Japanese OVAs and the Manga of the OT. We know the backstory of the Japanese OVAs is that its a similar universe to the OT, and we have the Japanese Manga that is similar to the OT but more "japanese" so I think the OT Manga are the adventures before the OVA, it fits nicely.

[ToTheNines]

Power Rangers Universe (Maybe the same deal as TMNT and Savage Dragon's shared multiverse)

Ya know, you might be on to something here. The turtles have brand new voice actors and if you watch the episode they don't seem to inhabit the same universe.

The turtles refer to the Power Rangers as fake comic book characters, then the Power Rangers are excited to see that the Ninja Turtles are real (even refering to them as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), and know them by name even though the turtles' existence insn't known to the public in NT: TNM.

I'll probably give it its own universe unless someone talks me out of it.

[sdp]

I'll talk you out of it.

First you have to remember that this isn't the first case in the Power Rangers Universe that they are thought of as fictional characters, people are usually shocked PRs exist and even in Ninja Storm they are mentioned to only be comic book characters, even though we know all PR's shows are in continuity and have constant team-ups with each other, its almost as if the news of giant monster attacks don't leave the city the current team is defending. Now they refer to them as TMNT however various people have seen the turtles, its not too far of a stretch that someone named them, after all the first movie (which TNM is based on but we won't get into that) has that deleted scenes is of April trying to publish a comic book of the turtles, so the explanation really isn't that out there that they would think they are "comic books" at the very least the TMNT have to be Urban Legends like Nessie or crocodiles in the Sewer of NY, its not like TNM turtles were too careful about not being seen... Not to mention it was a crossover of the two shows, and explicitly in continuity.

If you're going to make it a different universe then might as well make the Red Sky episodes of the OT a different series. And actually there's a lot of people who like to think that the OT Turtles in Turtles Forever are from a different earth similar to the OT but sillier, so they deserve their own universe more than the PRs universe.

[ToTheNines]

I'll talk you out of it.

First you have to remember that this isn't the first case in the Power Rangers Universe that they are thought of as fictional characters, people are usually shocked PRs exist and even in Ninja Storm they are mentioned to only be comic book characters, even though we know all PR's shows are in continuity and have constant team-ups with each other, its almost as if the news of giant monster attacks don't leave the city the current team is defending.

Fair enough, I know very little about Power Rangers so I'll take your word for it.

Now they refer to them as TMNT however various people have seen the turtles, its not too far of a stretch that someone named them, after all the first movie (which TNM is based on but we won't get into that) has that deleted scenes is of April trying to publish a comic book of the turtles, so the explanation really isn't that out there that they would think they are "comic books" at the very least the TMNT have to be Urban Legends like Nessie or crocodiles in the Sewer of NY. Not to mention it was a crossover of the two shows, and explicitly in continuity.

I guess that works in the context of ridiculous Saban shows lol. I'll keep them together then.

[oldmanwinters]

Demon-Alukard has hands-down the best basis for a TMNT multiverse tree. More branches could certainly be added on in the future:
http://demon-alukard.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24#/d2r9sdh



Mutant Turtles Gaiden though, that can pretty much be it's own thing. It seems like it could just be "episodes of FW in manga form", but it does the origin story itself, Irma has a fairly drastic re-design, the Technodrome...is not the Technodrome, there is no Krang, and hell the TMNT even have somewhat altered outfits. It's obviously originally based upon FW material, but does what it wants to without sticking to it very much.

Ah, but you forget! Krang did indeed have a cameo!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__8tv2laMEBk/SgHFdXpTyoI/AAAAAAAADkM/w_ZFLF6Uj64/s1600-h/VisMT17.jpg

[Master Splinter]

Demon-Alukard has hands-down the best basis for a TMNT multiverse tree. More branches could certainly be added on in the future:
http://demon-alukard.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24#/d2r9sdh


Demon-Alukard's tree is great. I posted it a while back hoping it would help.

-ms

[oldmanwinters]

Demon-Alukard's tree is great. I posted it a while back hoping it would help.

-ms

Ah-ha! Missed it the first time (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=859624&postcount=12).

[ToTheNines]

Even though I have some issues with it, that chart is pretty cool. I'm think I've included everything he has.

[miru]

Thought this might be a neat thread. Let's try to count how many seperate dimensions there are in the TMNT Multiverse. I'll just throw up a couple to get started since I got work super early tomorrow, but let me know what else should go on the list and I'll update whenever possible.

Despite my personal opinion, I'm splitting up the movies, next mutation and TMNT just to avoid that argument. Feel free to get fired up about anything else, but I'm quite sick of that one in particular.

If anything's in the gray area, I'll more than likely just split them up just to see how high a number we can reach. Here goes:

1. Mirage (Image)
2. Fred Wolf Cartoon
3. 4kids Cartoon
4. New Line Movies
5. The Next Mutation
6. TMNT (2007)
7. Archie's TMNT Adventures
8. IDW Comics
9. Nickelodeon Cartoon
10. Michael Zulli Comics
11. Hedden and McWeeny Comics
12. Mark Bode Comics
13. Mark Martin Comics
14. Same as it Never Was
15. 1990's Konami Games
16. Tournament Fighters Super Nintendo
17. 2000's Konami Games
18. Legend of the SuperMutants OVA
19. Playmates Toys
20. Smash-Up
21. Operation Blue Line
22. Matt Howarth Comics
23. Turtle Prime branch-off
24. Coming Out of Their Shells/Turtle Tunes/Turtles Christmas and other musicals
25. Dreamwave Comics
26. Super Turtles
27. Lightning Comics' "Creed" comic book
28. Minsk Publishing's Russian Comics
29. Mutant Turtles Gaiden manga books
30. TMNT Comic Strip
31. The Hyperstone Heist
32. Flaming Carrot Comics
33. Tournament Fighters Sega Genesis
34. Green-Grey Sponge Suit Sushi Turtles
35. Las Tortugas Ninja Comics
36. Palladium's TMNT & Other Strangeness
37. Simon Spotlight's Kid Books
38. Dan Berger's TMNT Letters (official website)
39. TMNT The Official Magazine
40. Equine The Uncivilized Comics
41. The Last of the Viking Heroes Comics
42. CBS Action Zone's Cyber Strike
43. Random House's Kid Books
44. Konami Arcade Games
45. The Manhattan Missions
46. Konami Gameboy Games
47. Bill Fitts' Adult Only Mini-comic
48. Arcade Attack
49. Ralson Cereal Mini-comic
50. Archie Future
51. TMNT: Out of The Shadows
52. Ninja Turtles (2014)
53. TMNT: New Animated Adventures

Your turn :)

You should add:

The Picasso backup strips in IDW

The Nick online games (the turtles stand eye to eye with SpongeBob in some of them, another has an evil Leatherhead and several original characters)

The never-made fourth live-action film

The original plans for the live-action movie (a comedy with Billy Crystal)

The Casey Jones short film

The Panini TMNT comics

A world of all those playmates sketches that were never used

The Playmates 2k7 line, which had all kinds of random stuff.

[ticktack]

In youtube was a short video of tmnt never happened movie 2000. There were triceratons.

[John Pannozzi]

Let's not forget Fleetway's UK Hero Turtles comics, various manga, and the UK Annuals.

[Powder]

In youtube was a short video of tmnt never happened movie 2000. There were triceratons.

That was to be a TV series, not a film.

[dragonside]

i think a visual chart would be awesome, maybe a tree... just a thought.

[CyberCubed]

Half of this stuff doesn't count as unique universes. Especially unproductive or canceled shows or movies.

[Vivi]

Would you count the faniverse as an offshoot? All that art/writing etc should count for something.

[Powder]

It all takes place in different continuities, many of them based in their own. There's far too many, and with little quality control. There's no point in validating mary sues, terrible OC's, etc.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

What about their crossovers with Usagi's world? Wasn't there an issue (or two?) of Usagi Yojimbo where they showed up? Could that count as a separate continuity? (I know there were only ever four comic book encounters with him, but I seem to recall reading that at least one of those was in his book. That would make it a different universe from the Archie appearances he made.)

[Powder]

They're considered canon in the Mirage universe, but not in Usagi's, I think? So I dunno, maybe there's some sorta split timeline there, eh.

[NinjaPug]

That was to be a TV series, not a film.

Is this video still on YouTube?

[Powder]

Is this video still on YouTube?

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& while we're at it here's an animatic for the also never made WB animated series.

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[NinjaPug]

Thanks for posting that Powder. That's the first time I've seen it. That looked....interesting.

[Powder]

No sweat, dude. I think much of it was the inspiration for the 4kids series. The Battle Shell & dark visual tone especially.

[Jester]

Is that the legendary Don LaFontaine doing the narration?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Stuff like toys and videogames are just toys and videogames. Nothing else. The might be inspired from different universes and based on them, but not set in any universe or form an own.

However, when you play with the toys, you can make it set in which universe you want, or form a new one.

[Andrew NDB]

Stuff like toys and videogames are just toys and videogames. Nothing else. The might be inspired from different universes and based on them, but not set in any universe or form an own.

Probably the best way to speak on the videogames that I've seen.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Probably the best way to speak on the videogames that I've seen.

I mostly know those videogames of the late 1980's-early 1990's.

[CyberCubed]

A lot of this stuff doesn't count:

- Fanfiction/fanart etc. doesn't count as a universe.

- Failed pitches or concept arts that never got produced do not count as a universe. The failed 2000 CG show, the WB pitch, etc. do not count as universes. They were failed concept arts.

- The toyline isn't a "universe" as they're based on the cartoons and the few unique characters from it like the old Playmates mutants are just characters that don't exist in canon. Stuff like Farmer Mike and Clown Leo didn't happen in a story, they're just toys.

- The videogames I see as a loose adaption of the cartoons they were based on. Even Tournament Fighters can fit into the universe of the original cartoon or Archie rather than something new. Likewise I see the classic games on NES/SNES and the 4kids and Nick games just as "lost episodes" of the cartoons.

- Garbage like "Coming out of their Shells Tour" is not a universe, its just a crap music gimmick using the TMNT license.

- The TMNT anime OVA is debateable, as its clearly set in the OT universe...despite all the anime stuff in it.

[pannoni1]

I feel that the LEGO series should count since it provides established designs and like Playmates have a similar toy vibe. The series is still ongoing.

With the subject of unreleased TV series, the Mighty Mutanimals TV series. A series bible with characters does exist, so it should count for something.

Also include Dave Morris' TMNT books for the 7 to 10 year old audience that are their own thing, such as Buried Treasure and Sky High.

[John Pannozzi]

You can add TMNT Amazing Adventures.

[dragonside]

you know what would be sweet, a diagram - with universe split offs.

[miru]

More recently, Rise of the TMNT and Mutant Mayhem can be added to this list, much to the regrets of many people however. On the other hand, Urban Legends has more or less destroyed the idea of Image as its own continuity for good, and the Amazing Adventures continuity is largely forgotten. The Rise comic fits in the Rise TV show continuity. Meanwhile, Raphael Mutant Apocalypse may count as a continuity of its own, the TMNT shorts may each have their own continuities, and many obscure international continuities have been rediscovered. So I think it’s over 70, possibly over 80, continuities now.

I also think the first NES game counts as it’s own continuity more than Hyperstone Heist or maybe even Tournament Fighters do.