91 killed in Oslo massacre

[Hamato Yoshi]

1 man dressed as a cop first killed 7 by the way of a bomb near PMs office , then he shot 84 kids with a rifle at a youth political gathering. Some prolly drowned trying to escape him.

[Jester]

I didn't know the death toll was that high. I wonder why he did it...not that it will justify it, but you wonder what would cause someone to take so many innocent lives.

[Powder]

Whole thing is a shame, last I heard the death toll was at 80...


For future reference, if you're going to post a thread like this it would be helpful to provide a source.

[PAAATE]

I didn't know the death tool was that high. I wonder why he did it...not that it will justify it, but you wonder what would cause someone to take so many innocent lives.

The guy is a right-wing extremist, and both the Norwegian government and that youth camp are left-wing, so... That's about as good a motive, I can come up with right now.

[KROW]

That's some crazy stuff, right there. I bet a horror film based on this will be released in the next 3 years.

[oldmanwinters]

I had heard about the bomb briefly while walking out of Taco Bell yesterday... but I only just now had a chance to read about the massacre. Man... words cannot describe how tragic the situation is.

[McGregor]

Hi.

I feel deeply sorry about what happend in Norway last friday. It is a shame that one person can do a massacre of young men and kids, dresset as a cop, without any escape route (this happen on a island, and only access by boat). This criminal man must be crazy in his head. First blow up a goverment buildning, then straiht ahead for a killing massacre..

I was on a plane home from hollyday, and landed on Gardermoen this night. Extra controll on ID papers after landing, and Police checket cars that entered airport. My both sisters work at the hospital, and one friend of my work as a security guard in the goverment building. He is okay (not on any list yet)

As far I know there was a carbomb with 500-3000kg fertilzers that went off outside the goverment buliding. Much like the bomb at Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

The terrorist used a registred Glock handgun and a unregistred illegal full auto rifle. The Police and surgeons think that he used hollow-point ammo for maximum danmage for victims. There were lot of danmage inside the victims. He shot people twice, and rumours says lot of headshots at close distance.

He walket around the whole island, and said "everyting should be fine", "police is here" and so on, to try to get people from their hidding places. At one point he shot 20 people at same place, only 5 got away, hidding under dead boddies as in a WW2 movie.. He did spare life of a 16year old boy, after the boy shoutet that the terrorist allready had shot his dad, and there was enough of killing. The terrorist walket away and continuet shooting other people.

93 people dead so far. (7 at goverment building and 86 at the island)
66 ingjuried at the island and 30 in Oslo.

The terrorist was a well educated norwegian man, with political targets for the Norwegian Labor Party. He attacket the political camp and the building, and released a 1500 pages manual of his thoughts and minds. Much of these pages is a direct copy of the "unabomb" terrorist (Ted Kaczynski) manifesto a while ago.

when he was arrested, he had much ammo left.


At this point he is in prison, and I really hope he newer get out.. since there is noe death penalty i Norway, I hope they lock him inn for good.


My deepest feelings for the families that are involved in this tragic terror.



http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/174/174259/17425907/jpg/active/978x.jpg (Photo from Newspaper)

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/174/174208/17420820/jpg/active/978x.jpg (Photo from Newspaper)


Map over island and buildings from newspaper. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/slik-skjedde-angrepene.php

More readings at BBC website. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14270655

[Candy Kappa]

I haven't had Internet for a long time.

This is one insane tragedy caused by an right wing extremist with anti-multi cultural society and anti-Muslim attitude.

it's really creepy knowing how long he have planned this, and the labor party building is just a couple of buildings away from the school I was studying 2 years ago.

[Katie]

It's such an awful tragedy.

Just goes to show that you can never put your guard down for domestic terrorists. Not everything is caused by ((insert terrorist people of the day here)).

[Voltron]

I heard that the death toll dropped? What's the deal with this?

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

And did i hear right that,in that country no matter what, the longest possible prison sentance is 21 years no matter what??? Hopefully they will get this f***er on multiple charges

[PAAATE]

And did i hear right that,in that country no matter what, the longest possible prison sentance is 21 years no matter what??? Hopefully they will get this f***er on multiple charges

They can and probably will lock him up in something called "custody" which means they'll make a new evaluation every five years to see if he's ready to be released (and considering he sees himself as the hero in this, that might take a while)

At least, that's if I remember it correctly.

[Jester]

If there were ever a good case for capitol punishment I think a death toll of 90 should be it.

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

If there were ever a good case for capitol punishment I think a death toll of 90 should be it.

Definatly,especially since a significant amount were children..

[PAAATE]

Anyone read his manifesto? I mean, I know that's exactly what he wants us to do, but I couldn't help myself, too curious.

He did this to free Norway from the "Cultural Marxist-Elite" (whatever the **** that means) that he believes is trying to "Muslimify" Europe.

And like I said, he sees himself as the hero in all of this. The one that will start a race war to eliminate the Muslims and the cultural Marxist elite.

He's been planning this for about 4 years (accounts differ, even in his own manifesto).

He's obviously very smart, and very delusional. Kinda fascinating. Horrible, but fascinating.

[Candy Kappa]

the number of murdered have been lowered to 77 people, 69 died on the island "Utøya" and 8 people died at the bombing.

He will most likely stay for a lot longer then 21 years with his mental health and being a threat to himself and obviously others.

After this event the weapon laws will be heavily evaluated and most likely tighten in; like hunter or people with a weapon license that have been inactive for a ling while might get it suspended and a closer check on mental illness.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Anyone read his manifesto? I mean, I know that's exactly what he wants us to do, but I couldn't help myself, too curious.

He did this to free Norway from the "Cultural Marxist-Elite" (whatever the **** that means) that he believes is trying to "Muslimify" Europe.

And like I said, he sees himself as the hero in all of this. The one that will start a race war to eliminate the Muslims and the cultural Marxist elite.

He's been planning this for about 4 years (accounts differ, even in his own manifesto).

He's obviously very smart, and very delusional. Kinda fascinating. Horrible, but fascinating.

Muslims are not a colour of skin. It's just people following a religion. I don't know his religion.

[PAAATE]

Muslims are not a colour of skin. It's just people following a religion. I don't know his religion.

Well, yeah, I know :P Tell him that.

[Candy Kappa]

Anders B. Breivik have been declared unfit for trial and have been diagnosed with schizophrenia Paranoia. Although several Psychologists calls bullsh*t on this.

If this goes through, he'll be put in an mental institution, and in theory can be out in 5 years.

sure the man must have some mental illness, but he planned this for years and did his planning while hiding it. He was well aware of his actions

[BubblyShell22]

I call B.S. on the insanity thing because he was planning this all along. But, sometimes these idiots go for insanity pleas so they can get less time. Such a shame.

[PAAATE]

The fact that he's a paranoid schizophrenic doesn't exactly come as a surprise. I mean, if you read what he's written and listen to what he says, the guy really does believe that the Norwegian Social Democrats collaborate with Muslims to eradicate Norwegian culture. That's delusional paranoia if I've ever seen it :P

And as a left-winger and friend of a few Muslims myself, I find it kinda... eerie.

But yeah, whatever his mental illness may be, that's obviously no excuse to let him go. On the contrary, the fact that this guy truly is so paranoid is a reason to keep him away from society, whether it be in a mental hospital or a prison.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The fact that he's a paranoid schizophrenic doesn't exactly come as a surprise. I mean, if you read what he's written and listen to what he says, the guy really does believe that the Norwegian Social Democrats collaborate with Muslims to eradicate Norwegian culture. That's delusional paranoia if I've ever seen it :P

And as a left-winger and friend of a few Muslims myself, I find it kinda... eerie.

But yeah, whatever his mental illness may be, that's obviously no excuse to let him go. On the contrary, the fact that this guy truly is so paranoid is a reason to keep him away from society, whether it be in a mental hospital or a prison.

There are some people in Sweden who believe the same thing, even if they're no ready to kill people. You've probably seen the Flashback Forum in Swedish, which has became a hangout for Nazis, racists and fascists in Sweden. I don't want to ban any opinion in a democratic state in Sweden even if I don't agree, but the Flashback Forum is not a place I prefer to hang.

[PAAATE]

There are some people in Sweden who believe the same thing, even if they're no ready to kill people. You've probably seen the Flashback Forum in Swedish, which has became a hangout for Nazis, racists and fascists in Sweden. I don't want to ban any opinion in a democratic state in Sweden even if I don't agree, but the Flashback Forum is not a place I prefer to hang.

I don't like bashing anyone either, but a lot of what's ventilated on Flashback aren't opinions, they're ****ing batshit crazy conspiracy-insanities. Umm, that wasn't bashing, right? Right?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I don't like bashing anyone either, but a lot of what's ventilated on Flashback aren't opinions, they're ****ing batshit crazy conspiracy-insanities. Umm, that wasn't bashing, right? Right?

I hope you're right. Flashback Forum also holds som Libertarianism, how about them?

[KROW]

Reported yesterday:

NORWEGIAN far-right extremist Anders Breivik has shocked an Oslo courtroom with his descriptions of a massacre carried out on an island youth camp.

Survivors of the 22 July killings hugged each other and sobbed during his testimony in the city’s district court, which was broadcast to 17 other courtrooms where the relatives of the victims gathered.

Breivik went into detail as he explained how he shot panicked youngsters at point-blank range.

Sixty-nine people, mostly teenagers at an annual summer camp, were killed on Utoya island last summer.

Breivik admits carrying out 77 killings in total, but denies criminal charges, claiming his victims had betrayed Norway by embracing multi-culturalism. The 33-year-old said: “Some of them are completely paralysed. They cannot run. They stand totally still. This is something they never show on TV. It was very strange.”

Breivik has admitted to setting off a bomb in Oslo, killing eight people, before opening fire on the governing Labour Party’s annual youth camp on Utoya island.

Looking tense but focused, Breivik spoke calmly about the shooting rampage, starting from the moment he took a small ferry to Utoya, an island in a lake outside Oslo.

He was disguised as a policeman, carrying a rifle and a handgun. He also brought drinking water because he knew he would get a dry throat from the stress.

Breivik’s first two victims were Monica Boesei, one of the organisers of the camp, and off-duty police officer Trond Berntsen, who was on Utoya as a security guard.

“My whole body tried to revolt when I took the weapon in my hand. There were 100 voices in my head saying, ‘Don’t do it, don’t do it’,” Breivik said.

But he did – pointing his gun at Mr Berntsen’s head and pulling the trigger.

He shot Ms Boesei as she tried run away. Then, as they lay on the ground, he shot them both twice in the head.

Breivik said he could not remember large chunks of the time he spent on the island before surrendering to police commandos. Still, he recalled some of the shootings in great detail, including inside a cafe building were he shot his young victims as they pleaded for their lives.

Earlier, Breivik had revealed how he took to the internet to learn how to carry out a bombing-and-shooting rampage, studying attacks by al-Qaeda, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre.

Yesterday, the fifth day of his trial, the confessed mass killer told a Norwegian court he paid close attention in particular to the World Trade Centre bombing in New York and McVeigh’s 1995 attack on an Oklahoma City government building, which killed 168 people and injured more than 600.

Breivik also said he had read more than 600 bomb-making guides.

He called al-Qaeda “the most successful revolutionary movement in the world” and said it should serve as an inspiration to far-right militants, even though their goals are different.

Breivik said of al-Qaeda: “I have studied each one of their actions, what they have done wrong, what they have done right. We want to create a European version of al-Qaeda.”

His matter-of-fact descriptions deeply disturbed families of the victims, most of whom were teenagers.

Christin Bjelland, a spokeswoman for a massacre support group, said outside court: “I’m going back to my hometown tonight and I live by the sea, so I have arranged with my husband, he’s going to drive me out to the sea, and I’m going to take a walk there and I’m going to scream my head off.”


SOURCE (http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/anders-behring-breivik-trial-killer-describes-utoya-massacre-in-detail-1-2245752)

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Quite chilling.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Unfortunately people like that have no sense of remorse for what they do. Ask Timothy McVeigh, William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, or Ted Kaczynski.

[BubblyShell22]

Whoa. That's very scary, especially what he said about Al-Qaeda. This guy is truly f*cked up.

[Candy Kappa]

the youngest person he killed was 14.

the whole trial is a circus, and with Breivik's statement about training on Call of Duty, a new Video Game hate seems to be brewing, even got a local wannabe Jack Thompson on my local city (oh joy)

The Prosecutor even had a detailed monologue about World of Warcraft in the court. I know they want to bring everything up to the table, but gaming habits? having a 5-10 minute "commercial" about what WOW is?

Breivik's defense speech was mostly the same crap as his manifesto, couldn't even remeber it and kept his nose on his papers the whole read. He had 30 minutes, but was ill prepared and wanted more time. Let him spew his vile bile so we can get on with it and forget the man behind it all.

But him and Mullah Krekar (Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad in the same jail cell, one extreme Islamist terrorist and one extreme-right anti-Islam terrorist.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

the youngest person he killed was 14.

the whole trial is a circus, and with Breivik's statement about training on Call of Duty, a new Video Game hate seems to be brewing, even got a local wannabe Jack Thompson on my local city (oh joy)

The Prosecutor even had a detailed monologue about World of Warcraft in the court. I know they want to bring everything up to the table, but gaming habits? having a 5-10 minute "commercial" about what WOW is?

Breivik's defense speech was mostly the same crap as his manifesto, couldn't even remeber it and kept his nose on his papers the whole read. He had 30 minutes, but was ill prepared and wanted more time. Let him spew his vile bile so we can get on with it and forget the man behind it all.

But him and Mullah Krekar (Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad in the same jail cell, one extreme Islamist terrorist and one extreme-right anti-Islam terrorist.
The Columbine massacre in the USA years ago started a fear of video games. Not entirely irrational when quasi-realistic shooting and killing people games were coming out.

[Candy Kappa]

The Columbine massacre in the USA years ago started a fear of video games. Not entirely irrational when quasi-realistic shooting and killing people games were coming out.

maybe not irrational ideas back in 99, but today?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Check out these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_post-secondary_schools

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools

Let's see, 1764, which video game did they play?

:)