Three Toes

[Zog the Equalizer]

So I've noticed that a lot of people seem to hate the new three toe design for the nick show, so I figured I might as well ask what people thought. Personally I don't really care either way. It seems to make sense since they have 3 fingers. I've never really understood why they didn't have five of both considering that turtles do, at least as far as I remember from the pet one I used to have.

[discordiatookie]

I'm in the camp of I don't really care that an extra toe has been added. I do find it a bit strange why it has been added, and haven't actually heard any explanations, but to be honest, in neither gets me up nor down.

[Revan]

So I've noticed that a lot of people seem to hate the new three toe design for the nick show, so I figured I might as well ask what people thought. Personally I don't really care either way. It seems to make sense since they have 3 fingers. I've never really understood why they didn't have five of both considering that turtles do, at least as far as I remember from the pet one I used to have.

They have always had three toes.

The new show designs simply moved their "heel toe" to the front.

I don't care but I admit I'm interested in why they felt the need to change it.

[ToTheNines]

I was pissed when I first heard about it. Mainly because the turtles have pretty much had the same type of foot no matter what show, movie or comic they were in, and adding a 3rd toe to that look would be very awkward. But as you can tell from what we've seen so far, this new character design totally overhauls their feet.

Honestly, the way their feet are drawn now, it would look awkward if they had two toes.

[gobo]

It's apparently not gonna be all Viacom-controlled incarnations, so I'm hardly concerned. Since I only have the vaguest, fleeting interest in the Nicktoon, that won't bug me much. If they decide to do it in the movie though, I'll be ticked. It's just distracting.

[Powder]

I was pissed when I first heard about it. Mainly because the turtles have pretty much had the same type of foot no matter what show, movie or comic they were in, and adding a 3rd toe to that look would be very awkward. But as you can tell from what we've seen so far, this new character design totally overhauls their feet.

Honestly, the way their feet are drawn now, it would look awkward if they had two toes.

Same here. In the beginning I wanted to murder the employee who felt it was a good idea, now I just wanna kick 'em. It's whatever.

[Zog the Equalizer]

The more I look at the designs the more I'm starting to like it. At least in this particular style

[Donnie]

Personally, I love it and think it's better fitting.

[Jester]

Meh!
Made ya look!

[triplexxx]

Well I got to be honest, regardless of real-life turtle anatomy or what the "heel" is interpreted as, since I'm completely accustomed to seeing them with two, I don't support the idea. The pupils I never cared one way or the other, the finger- and toe-nails in the live action movies weren't much of a bother either, but this is anatomy change is a little too major in my opinion. That's my entire thought on this and I swear never to mention it again.

[Jephael]

This topic has been beaten like a dead horse long enough!

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[1984TMNT]

Hate it. Aside from the fact that they've always had 2 toes, I Just don't like the look.

[1984TMNT]

What I don't quite get is the argument around the new foot design being "easier" to handle with CG when compared to the normal 2-toed (or "3" toes including the rear "heel"). Can anyone further explain this? If they can handle 3 fingers on their hands, one would think that the feel wouldn't be much different....?

[Candy Kappa]

They have always had three toes.

The new show designs simply moved their "heel toe" to the front.

I don't care but I admit I'm interested in why they felt the need to change it.
I'm about the same here :)

What I don't quite get is the argument around the new foot design being "easier" to handle with CG when compared to the normal 2-toed (or "3" toes including the rear "heel"). Can anyone further explain this? If they can handle 3 fingers on their hands, one would think that the feel wouldn't be much different....?

the way they are designed now the animators don't need to animate too much, the feet are almost like a one big lump like a shoe. I guess 2 toes in the same circular style didn't look as good as they wanted it to be. So they gave them teddy bear feet

[Powder]

What I don't quite get is the argument around the new foot design being "easier" to handle with CG when compared to the normal 2-toed (or "3" toes including the rear "heel"). Can anyone further explain this? If they can handle 3 fingers on their hands, one would think that the feel wouldn't be much different....?

It's probably easier to animate a big lump than it is the prong-esque feet of yore... I dunno.

[1984TMNT]

I'm sure it's easier, but if they have to do it for the fingers, is it really that much more work? That's what I don't get.

[gobo]

^ No, but it's just an extra corner they can cut.

[Kendamu]

Looking at what I saw at the MiP, it looks more like a style choice than cutting corners.

[gobo]

Well, ya can't expect them to admit it. :P I'm sure the animators don't mind having to work with those ridged tree trunks rather than actual foot-fingers.

[Vincent]

I picked "I hate it" in the poll, but only for lack of better alternatives. I disagree with it and think it seems mostly like change for the sake of change, which seems pointless, since the two toes thing has kind of been consistently a part of the ninja turtle image throughout every incarnation in the past. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? No. But it's unnecessary.

[The Stryker]

It's not an issue at all and it doesn't even require any 'why' questioning. It's a design choice and nothing more.

All of this "I want an explanation" stuff is ridiculous.

[Volvagia]

I don't mind them having three toes but I hate how they look, urgh.

[1984TMNT]

All of this "I want an explanation" stuff is ridiculous.

That's your opinion.....a lot of people think the design choice flat out sucks.

[Whitewolf89]

Personally, I'M not that fond of the change, either, but, other than when I start drawing them later on, I doubt that I'll be paying THAT much attention to their feet, anyway, prefering to focus on their faces and upper bodies, AND the fact that we're getting a new TMNT series so soon after the 2K3 one ended, instead of having to wait close to 10 years. THAT's the important thing here, in MY (very) humble opinion.

Do I wish that Nick had stuck to their original design of two toes? Goes without saying, as with some other folks around here, but I'm sure that I'll get used to it, and comfortable with it eventually.

Besides, there are other aspects of the new series that I like a LOT less than the guys having three toes on each foot (which remind me of elephant's hooves, to be honest). Splinter being Hamato Yoshi mutated into a rat (ALA the 80's series), and 6 feet tall (too weird for me, when thinking about Splinter's height), rather than his pet rat, like he's been in the comics, movies and the 2K3 series, AND April being the guys' age, rather than an adult, like she should be. So, compared to these, the guys having three toes is nothin'.

IMHO.

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

Would'nt say i hate it, but i don't see why they went to three toes...but whatever

[The Stryker]

That's your opinion.....a lot of people think the design choice flat out sucks.

And? Going about saying "I want an explanation" is still stupid. It's a choice they made and I doubt there's some giant elaborate story behind it.

[Koi]

The third toe on each foot are actually mutated turtle heads growing out of their feet.

Explanation complete. No need for thanks! :3

[The Stryker]

You are just the worst type of person. Let me start a private facebook group and you'll get what's coming to you.

The real answer is that the creators really love sporks and wanted them represented on the show.

[Koi]

Omg, they do look like freakin sporks. My mind is blown.

[Ninjinister]

Sporks are amazing. I now completely support the three-toed turtles.

[Leonardo_]

Same here. In the beginning I wanted to murder the employee who felt it was a good idea, now I just wanna kick 'em. It's whatever.

*shakes head* I really sometimes dont get you guys...why that aggressive over nothing...there are much worse things in the world than fictional chars having three toes...

Besides...REAL turtles DO have more toes AND fingers...if you can call it fingers that is...

[Slap-Happy]

Who the f*ck really cares about a third toe? I mean the new designs look very different from other things we've seen already, the feet would look awkward with two toes.

[Donnie]

I mean the new designs look very different from other things we've seen already, the feet would look awkward with two toes.

I've always been a nitpicker, but the third toe was from the start the least of my worries. I like it better, anyway. It goes well with the Nick Turtles. I voted "I like it"...I wonder who the other 4 were? We're certainly in the minority.

[Powder]

*shakes head* I really sometimes dont get you guys...why that aggressive over nothing...there are much worse things in the world than fictional chars having three toes...

Besides...REAL turtles DO have more toes AND fingers...if you can call it fingers that is...

If you think I *actually* wanted to murder anyone over a toe, you need to adopt a sense of humor.

[1984TMNT]

Who the f*ck really cares about a third toe? I mean the new designs look very different from other things we've seen already, the feet would look awkward with two toes.

Well, obviously people care - all you have to do is read the forums to see that. I don't see how having 2 toes would look awkward with Nick's designs...? Because their legs are thick where the "ankle" should be? Obviously they would need to re-design that a bit to make it look right.

Anyway, as most have stated, this isn't a deal breaker for anyone (that I've noticed). But, it's a design that a lot of people don't like, so people will vent about it. Including me. :trazz:

[Whitewolf89]

Well, obviously people care - all you have to do is read the forums to see that. I don't see how having 2 toes would look awkward with Nick's designs...? Because their legs are thick where the "ankle" should be? Obviously they would need to re-design that a bit to make it look right.

Anyway, as most have stated, this isn't a deal breaker for anyone (that I've noticed). But, it's a design that a lot of people don't like, so people will vent about it. Including me. :trazz:
Well put, indeed, sir.

[Filespit]

They're getting a third toe!? That's news to me, I've completely missed this, and I don't like it. Why not give them a fourth finger as well? They've always had two toes, it's part of them, so why change it? This is sort of like shaving Mario's moustache! Well, not really but you get the point!

[Redeemer]

Truthfully I dont like the three toe design, it jst sticks out to me.....But I think will adjust, jst let me adjust my nostalgia goggles a little!!!! :lol:
I think I will eventaully get used to it, the idea and design is jst so foriegn to me

Oh and I voted to be a hater by the way ;)

[BubblyShell22]

While I'm not keen on the idea, I feel that I'll get used to it the more I watch the show. Like others have said, we need to at least be glad that Nick's even going to give us a Turtles show at all. I say wait and see. Maybe it won't be as bad as many are saying.

[Bauer536]

They're getting a third toe!? That's news to me, I've completely missed this, and I don't like it. Why not give them a fourth finger as well? They've always had two toes, it's part of them, so why change it? This is sort of like shaving Mario's moustache! Well, not really but you get the point!

I think Nick is giving them a third toe, not only to try something different, but really to make sense of the turtles' mutations. They have three fingers. You would expect they have three toes if you never heard of them. Just like humans, we have five fingers on each hand, and we have five toes on each foot. Therefore, it makes sense why Nick would be giving them three toes. I don't really care about it that much. I'm just paying attention to the leg wrappings each character has. They look cool, by the way.:tsmile:

[Stingray69]

Wait a minute splinters gonna be 6ft tall? When the heck did that happen. I don't think I like that at all. What are the turtles 8 ft tall now to.

[Slap-Happy]

Wait a minute splinters gonna be 6ft tall? When the heck did that happen. I don't think I like that at all. What are the turtles 8 ft tall now to.
The turtles are shorter than him.

And don't worry, everything will be great if you keep an open mind.

[Stingray69]

O I'm going to keep a open mind it will just take getting used to.

[Spitfire]

Honestly it makes no sense. The turtles have never had a third toe since conception, over 25 years ago. It'd be like giving Batman an extra finger. Is there a reason for it? Does it even look good? No, it doesn't.

[Slap-Happy]

Honestly it makes no sense. The turtles have never had a third toe since conception, over 25 years ago. It'd be like giving Batman an extra finger. Is there a reason for it? Does it even look good? No, it doesn't.
But Batman's a human. Humans have ten fingers and ten toes.

These are mutant turtles we're talking about. Things that don't exist. There's no rule that they have to have two toes.

It actually makes more sense that they have three toes. They have three fingers after all, don't they?

It may not be my preference, but the three toes look fine on these designs. Any other designs... Not so much.

[Spitfire]

My point was they never had them before why have them now? Why change something that's been standard accepted design for over 25 years? Would it be okay to give the Predator an extra head just because he's an alien? How about we give Mondo Gecko 2 tails. Extreme cases I know but it seriously looks just as horrid. Yeah they're just feet but it's enough to put up with the awful CG look without pointless design decisions. There is no practical reason for them to have 3 toes. Makes them look more like frogs in my opinion which they need to stop doing.

[The Stryker]

So 2 giant toes makes them look more like real turtles?

[rav4ge]

So 2 giant toes makes them look more like real turtles?After 25 years, I guess people have adopted that opinion.

I personally don't mind, as long as the show is good.

[Spitfire]

So 2 giant toes makes them look more like real turtles?

If that's all you can manage to take away from what I said then sure let's go with that. In the 3 live action films where they were realized without use of CG the 2 giant toes are what they had, essentially in the real world.

I'm floored the idea of basic design is above people's heads.

[The Stryker]

Are you arguing for what can be accomplished in the real world? For Ninja Turtles?

It's such a tiny thing I barely even notice. I seriously thought they didn't have toes at all for a long time.

[BubblyShell22]

I never really noticed the toes until the 2K3 toon.

[EvilStarLegacy]

I'd rather have 3 toes than claws looking feet. I actually don't give a ****. The character design works with 3 toes.

[shuriken]

[QUOTE=EvilStarLegacy;882150] I actually don't give a ****. [QUOTE]

Smartest thing said in this thread. While I'm not crazy about three toes, it really makes more sense. but at the end of the day my sentiments resemble EvilStarLegacy's.

[Jester]

Smartest thing said in this thread. While I'm not crazy about three toes, it really makes more sense. but at the end of the day my sentiments resemble EvilStarLegacy's.
What do you mean!? There is a 25 year tradition of the Turtles having 2 toes, and now all of a sudden...EXTRA DIGIT!
MY CHILDHOOD WAS A LIE!!!!

[Bauer536]

Enough with this three toes thing. I've made my point. We should move on.

Frankly, I don't mind this. Like I said, I'm just not sure how they're going to wear Japanese sandals in future episodes.:tconfuse:

[Jester]

Enough with this three toes thing. I've made my point. We should move on.
1. This thread is dedicated to the 3rd toe...if we stop talking about it, the thread dies.
2. Well, I'm glad YOUR point has been made. No further discussion is needed. Ok, kids we can go home now.

Sorry, Bauer, but that reads really poorly.

[Bauer536]

1. This thread is dedicated to the 3rd toe...if we stop talking about it, the thread dies.
2. Well, I'm glad YOUR point has been made. No further discussion is needed. Ok, kids we can go home now.

Sorry, Bauer, but that reads really poorly.

I apologize, Jester. It's just when I hear this, I have this feeling that no one is feeling for this new toon. I guess I got a little worried that the amount of haters were going to increase. Maybe I do want this thread to die down. Maybe I just think this is getting ridiculous. But whatever misconvenience I brought on you, I'm very sorry.:tsad:

As for the three toes: I don't mind them at all. I'm just happy that the TMNT are coming back so quickly. What do you think?:tsmile:

[Jester]

Not really something I'm gonna get bent out of shape about. 3 toes doesn't bother me. But if they mess with the characters or the show is just plain not good, that's what concerns me. Minor design decisions don't really bother me, I clan look past it. Character and writing decisions do.

[Bauer536]

Not really something I'm gonna get bent out of shape about. 3 toes doesn't bother me. But if they mess with the characters or the show is just plain not good, that's what concerns me. Minor design decisions don't really bother me, I clan look past it. Character and writing decisions do.

I doubt they'll mess with the characters that much.:tsmile: I like the idea of Leo being a sci-fi geek. It's the Don having a crush on April I'm not sure about.

[Slap-Happy]

I apologize, Jester. It's just when I hear this, I have this feeling that no one is feeling for this new toon.

I think this show will probably be more successful than 2k3. It's on a huge cable network.

And, IMO, looks better than 2k3. I'm extremely excited for this show.

[Dirty Blond]

At least they don't have a tail that looks as though it could be a little turtle winky.

[The Stryker]

At least they don't have a tail that looks as though it could be a little turtle winky.

Yes. Always a concern.

[ToTheNines]

Remember this time period?

[Barkworm]

Is there anyone left who still has strong feelings about this?

[ToTheNines]

Is there anyone left who still has strong feelings about this?

It went away completely before the first episode even came out. But people were going nuts before we started seeing stills and clips.

[neatoman]

I know Nieli tried to claim the heels were toes the way he interpreted it... And maybe he wasn't lying... But I kinda get the feeling the main reason is that two toed cankle feet would look too much like hooves.