Which underused villains from the 90's deserve a comeback or reimagining? [Archive]

CyberCubed

07-25-2011, 11:51 PM

While Nick probably won't use some of the lesser known villains from the franchises past, what obscure or underused villains do you think deserve a second chance? They could be completely revamped too.

I'd say:

- Groundchuck and Dirtbag. I don't know if its because of the games, but these two were a great pair and I enjoyed them in the Planet of the Turtleoids episodes.

- Hothead. I am not sure if he and The Warrior Dragon from Archie are the same character or not, I am mainly thinking of the toy.

- Chromedome. I have no idea why, but he was one of my favorite robot characters.

Powder

07-26-2011, 12:05 AM

I totally agree with your choices. They were favorites of mine as well.

CyberCubed

07-26-2011, 12:08 AM

There are a lot of underused villains that only got like 2-3 appearances in the old show, its a real shame. They didn't really show up much in Archie either.

Pizzaface and Armaggon definitely deserve to be animated, given they never got to appear in a TV show yet.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Lord Dregg, not as the main villain, but as another alien invader they meet on a space journey. Although he wouldn't be the same without his voice actor, which really made the character.

slimesquare

07-26-2011, 12:12 AM

I always loved chrome-dome and Baxter, but I think baxter always got a decent amount of villain time haha

Donnie

07-26-2011, 12:15 AM

Rat King - it's debatable but I would call him under-used.

Luzmagica

07-26-2011, 12:47 AM

...What about Mr Touch&Go???... :P

I dont like so much Dirtbag.... Agree with others....

Ninjinister

07-26-2011, 02:05 AM

Hothead/Warrior Dragon was NEVER a villain, in any incarnation. He is described as an ally on his action figure, in TMNT Adventures, and in Tournament Fighters.

AK_Mikey_Fan

07-26-2011, 02:28 AM

I would like to see more Leatherhead. And hope they bring back Jim Cummings to do the voice (cause the VA who did his voice in Night of the Rogues was so-so)

VaughnMichael

07-26-2011, 02:57 AM

Slash, Bellybomb, & Armaggon.

hudemx

07-26-2011, 07:43 AM

Tempestra!

She had great potential which wasn't fully used in the OS.

Jephael

07-26-2011, 03:18 PM

Mung from season 10 of the classic series. I have to admit I liked that guy!

VaughnMichael

07-26-2011, 03:24 PM

Mung from season 10 of the classic series. I have to admit I liked that guy!
That would be great!

Jester

07-26-2011, 03:25 PM

I would like to see more Leatherhead. And hope they bring back Jim Cummings to do the voice (cause the VA who did his voice in Night of the Rogues was so-so)
Yeah, I was surprised they had Peter "Splinter" Reneday do LH in that episode.

As for underused villains, what about Scumbug? He was only in one episode...and they made it sound like he should have been in others.

Jephael

07-26-2011, 03:32 PM

I know. It always bugged me they never did an origin story for Scumbug or Antrax. Maybe David Wise or someone else had written an episode about them but it got rejected.

Revan

07-26-2011, 04:13 PM

I know. It always bugged me they never did an origin story for Scumbug or Antrax. Maybe David Wise or someone else had written an episode about them but it got rejected.

I never cared. When I was a kid watching those OT eps I just liked seeing more mutants! more more more. I played right into playmates' hands. I begged my dad to buy me each new character...

Looking back now, it would have made sense to include an origin story, but if you think about it, not much of the OT made sense anyway

Anyhow, I'd like to see human villains instead of mutant ones. Lotus Blossom might be interesting

ssjup81

07-26-2011, 11:22 PM

I'd have to go with the Rat King. I felt that he was underused for the original toon series and he was never all that big comic wise. He's nuts, might as well use him.

Oh yeah, I also agree with Tempestra. She was pretty cool, or even that villainess that had that power with the ring whose name I can't recall. She was pretty cool and looked like she was in the wrong toon show, but what the hey. Anyone remember her name? She hated Krang or something and liked jewels. I would like to see more Leatherhead. And hope they bring back Jim Cummings to do the voice (cause the VA who did his voice in Night of the Rogues was so-so)"So-so" awful, imo! Jim Cummings all the way!

CyberCubed

07-26-2011, 11:22 PM

I know. It always bugged me they never did an origin story for Scumbug or Antrax. Maybe David Wise or someone else had written an episode about them but it got rejected.

Considering there were tons of mutants in the show, its not that big a deal.

Also Scumbug was in the Archie series, wasn't he? In that series he was a human roach exterminator that got mutated.

Jephael

07-27-2011, 04:38 AM

I'd have to go with the Rat King. I felt that he was underused for the original toon series and he was never all that big comic wise. He's nuts, might as well use him.

Why do people keep saying the Rat King was underused? He was in like atleast 10 episodes! Hell, Baxter Stockman was used less often than him!

ssjup81

07-27-2011, 06:15 AM

Why do people keep saying the Rat King was underused? He was in like atleast 10 episodes! Hell, Baxter Stockman was used less often than him!Just like Casey Jones for the OT series, I just felt that Rat King wasn't used enough. I was actually going to say Baxter, but to my knowledge, he was used much better and more for the 2k3 series, which is why I didn't bother, unless he wasn't.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

07-27-2011, 08:36 AM

Hothead/Warrior Dragon was NEVER a villain, in any incarnation. He is described as an ally on his action figure, in TMNT Adventures, and in Tournament Fighters.

I think Cybercubed confuse it with when he was brainwashed by Chien Khan.

Powder

07-27-2011, 02:44 PM

I totally forgot my favorite mutant ever- Wingnut!

Bauer536

07-27-2011, 02:58 PM

Who would I like to see in the new series? Hmmm.

I really want to see Slash make a come back in the franchise. I'd love that.:tcool:

I wouldn't mind seeing Rat King, Leatherhead (starting off good then bad), and maybe Bebop and Rocksteady!

We'll just have to wait and see!

Still, Slash hands down! And Tatsu! He was in the 90's TMNT films.:tgrin:

Powder

07-27-2011, 03:08 PM

Short of Tatsu, none of them are underused... I'd love to see Tatsu come back though, always wanted more of 'im.

CyberCubed

07-27-2011, 03:11 PM

Rat King wasn't underused in the old toon or comics at all. Rat King had the highest appearing rate of any other recurring villain in the original cartoon.

Its only in the 4kids series Rat King was underused, with only one real episode.

Slash got 3 episodes in the original cartoon, but he had a fairly large role in the Archie series so I can't complain.

Logan

07-27-2011, 06:05 PM

Creepy Eddie.

Powder

07-27-2011, 06:10 PM

Ha! Olawd no. Are you really a fan of him?

CyberCubed

07-27-2011, 07:31 PM

I liked the ep that guy was in, if it was that dream episode where he invaded their mental projections.

I also want to see the return of the Roadkill Rodney's, they were in all the old Konami games but only in the first 5 episodes of the cartoon.

Revan

07-27-2011, 07:45 PM

Howie the musician

Jester

07-27-2011, 07:48 PM

Howie the musician

Howie's a villain?

Revan

07-27-2011, 07:51 PM

Howie's a villain?

He is to me. Damn he was annoying

gobo

07-27-2011, 08:30 PM

Zach, the fifth turtle... *hopes fcmoss doesn't notice* :sweatdro:
I think baxter always got a decent amount of villain time haha
Until his mutation, which was actually when he got interesting for me.
even that villainess that had that power with the ring whose name I can't recall. She was pretty cool and looked like she was in the wrong toon show, but what the hey. Anyone remember her name? She hated Krang or something and liked jewels.
Her name was Eartha Kitt, and she was one evil bitch... who unwillingly shares my birthday.
Shreeka. ^_^I totally forgot my favorite mutant ever- Wingnut!
Archie design this time or not at all!

Powder

07-27-2011, 09:30 PM

Archie design this time or not at all!

Do I ever agree...

Jephael

07-28-2011, 08:23 AM

I totally forgot my favorite mutant ever- Wingnut!

Don't you mean your favorite alien?

gobo

07-28-2011, 02:19 PM

^ Wow... Even I didn't catch that. :P

CyberCubed

07-28-2011, 03:40 PM

I don't know why Wingnut/Screwloose were part of the Mutanimals considering they were aliens instead of mutants.

Napoleon Bonafrog should have been there instead.

gobo

07-28-2011, 03:48 PM

Jagwar was a demigod, so...

Sword Slicin' Leo

07-28-2011, 04:03 PM

Not so much Underused, but used the wrong way i would say bebop and Rockstaedy..i just loved those fools so much....

ssjup81

07-28-2011, 09:05 PM

Not so much Underused, but used the wrong way i would say bebop and Rockstaedy..i just loved those fools so much....You mean more like how they were in the very beginning where they were actually a challenge for the turtles. Looking at the ep Shredder & Splintered where Rocksteady just open fired with a real gun (yay Rambo lol) and how it took a bit to even take them out (and imo, Leo's skull should've shattered after Rocksteady threw him and Raphael into that wall), that's the way I feel should've always been.

Too bad they couldn't keep them that way. I liked the goofiness, but hate the fact that they weren't as threatening as the show went on and how easy it became to take the two out. I also liked the fact that neither seemed to be scared of Shredder and Krang in the beginning. I wonder if it was a side effect of their mutations. You saw what happened to poor Baxter.

IMO, I think the best episodes with these two characters were the first few when they were first introduced (first season stuff I suppose) and the ep Bebop & Rocksteady take over the World (I think that was the name).

Fugitoid Jones

08-01-2011, 02:35 AM

I too would like to see an animated version of Armaggon as well as a badass version of Slash.

Mr._Mutant_Man

08-02-2011, 08:26 PM

I'd like to see Slash again. If he teamed up with Tokka, and they found two more turtles, you could have an evil twin version of the Ninja Turtles. Or Bizarro Mutant Turtles, whatever you'd like to call it. That's something that has interested me since the Power Rangers episodes where they'd have evil twins.

Also, that insect queen villain from the TMNT Adventures comics. Maligna. I'd like to see a new take on her.

Sword Slicin' Leo

08-03-2011, 01:38 PM

You mean more like how they were in the very beginning where they were actually a challenge for the turtles. Looking at the ep Shredder & Splintered where Rocksteady just open fired with a real gun (yay Rambo lol) and how it took a bit to even take them out (and imo, Leo's skull should've shattered after Rocksteady threw him and Raphael into that wall), that's the way I feel should've always been.

Too bad they couldn't keep them that way. I liked the goofiness, but hate the fact that they weren't as threatening as the show went on and how easy it became to take the two out. I also liked the fact that neither seemed to be scared of Shredder and Krang in the beginning. I wonder if it was a side effect of their mutations. You saw what happened to poor Baxter.

IMO, I think the best episodes with these two characters were the first few when they were first introduced (first season stuff I suppose) and the ep Bebop & Rocksteady take over the World (I think that was the name).

Exactly....they were awesome...they were as stupid as they were tough, bu that whats made it possible to beat them, but after a few episodes they made B&R pretty much useless (maybe comic relief here and there) they didnt do that to hun...not that i know of..he was still pretty relevent deep in the series..

Coola Yagami

08-03-2011, 04:24 PM

I know. It always bugged me they never did an origin story for Scumbug or Antrax. Maybe David Wise or someone else had written an episode about them but it got rejected.

Exactly... in an episode of rogues, most of them having been seen several times before... the Turtles and April were naming off Scumbug and Antrax as if they were just as familiar to them as Leatherhead and Rat King...

Powder

08-03-2011, 05:00 PM

Very slim odds, but seeing how 5 episodes of the OT went unaccounted for, perhaps two of them were profile episodes featuring them.

ToTheNines

08-03-2011, 05:10 PM

I vote.... Wally Airhead.

CyberCubed

08-05-2011, 12:18 AM

I wish we could see the return of Cheeseburger man, although he wasn't really a villain.

Powder

08-05-2011, 01:10 AM

HA! Took me a second to remember who the hell you were talking about.

TheShredder777

08-05-2011, 05:07 AM

I agree that Bebop and Rocksteady were best in season one. Done properly, those two could be amazing. I feel they were underused in that respect. From season 2 forward, they might as well be different characters.

Slash I think should be brought back a little more menacing and less dumb.

Roadkill Rodneys for sure. I loved those guys and they just vanished.

I loves Lt. Granitor and he didn't hardly get any screen time.

ssjup81

08-05-2011, 06:32 AM

I vote.... Wally Airhead.:tlol: My father loves that episode.

Bjarni

08-05-2011, 09:02 PM

Chrome Dome, Lord Dregg, Wyrm, Maligna, Scumbug, Pizzaface, Tatsu, Dirtbag, Groundchuck, Traag and KRANG!

ssjup81

08-05-2011, 10:32 PM

billbot85

08-14-2011, 04:58 PM

I'd like to see more of Gen. Traag, Lt. Granitor, rock soldiers, multi-colored foot soldiers (from the Konami games), Slash, Metalhead, Chrome Dome, and Baxter Stockman.

If the new series can have some more large-scale and destructive battles involving the rock soldiers and foot soldiers, that would be mint.

Bauer536

08-14-2011, 08:08 PM

Man I would love for there to be a plotline where the 4 turtles discover there's a fifth turtle, and it turns into Slash. That would be awesome!:tgrin:

Slash should make a comeback!

Sage Ninja

09-04-2011, 09:25 AM

Barney Stockman should definately make a come back. I think there is alot of untapped potenticial for him, what with him being Baxter's indentical twin. I detected some rivalry between them which I think should be explored. Maybe have Baxter and him team up while trying to out do and trick one another.

Shreeka is another one. She was Krang's first partner and she seemed ruthless, I think she could have been a good villian. She could have also been used to flesh out more of Krang's past as a warlord. Plus I just liked her.

People are gonna think this weird but, Baxter's alien computer. On his own I think he could have been a pretty cool villian. Maybe like an OT version of Viral from the 2k3 series but less dependant and dumb. I always thought that alien chip had more up his sleeve and even though he never offically came out this way, I suspected he was using Baxter to some degree and that iwas only a matter of time before he turned on him.

Also Creepy Eddie. I know he is lame, stupid rip off but rework him a bit he could have be a cool psychological villain that could really mess with the turtles.

CyberCubed

09-04-2011, 09:37 AM

Was Creepy Eddie based on Freddy?

VaughnMichael

09-04-2011, 01:43 PM

Was Creepy Eddie based on Freddy?
No I think he was based on Santa Claus :P

Xav

09-04-2011, 02:06 PM

I agree with Tatsu. He definitely should've been given more to do or used more aside from the first two movies and Hyperstone Heist for the Genesis (unless he's been other games I'm just not aware of). Tatsu was completely "badass". He was also in the PC game Manhattan Missions. Yeah I rather see them use him than make up yet another second in command for Shredder.

KROW

09-04-2011, 02:38 PM

I see a bit of Archie praise here, which I agree with. In fact, since the 4Kids show was based on the Mirage books, how about having a series based on the Archie books? There were some great villains there: Verminator-X, Armaggon, Maligna, Mr. Null, even the Kraken and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I'd love to see those stories animated.

NameGoesHere1066

09-07-2011, 12:36 PM

Mr. Ogg, I think people are missing out of the potentcial of a pee wee herman-esch villian and the devestation he can bring to the table.

Candy Cougar

09-07-2011, 03:29 PM

- Hothead. I am not sure if he and The Warrior Dragon from Archie are the same character or not, I am mainly thinking of the toy.

Totally agree. I believe he was in the NES TMNT Tournament Fighters too. Just the figure alone is pretty badass, one of my favorites I own for sure.

And Mr. Ogg made me face-palm a little...:trazz:

BentonGrey

09-07-2011, 03:42 PM

Well, I think I'm in line with a lot of the folks here. In terms of villains, I'd LOVE to see Rat King make a triumphant return. Yes, he got used a decent amount in the original series, but I still hope he makes a comeback. I'd also love to see Leatherhead, preferably with the Punk Frogs in tow.:twink: Other than them, I have a soft spot for Metalhead, and Armaggon, as someone else mentioned, totally deserves to be animated. He's such a great villain.

Weapons@theready

09-07-2011, 04:50 PM

A Verminator X storyline would be great if we could actually see the storyline of him working with the Turtles and then turning on them

John Pannozzi

09-07-2011, 09:04 PM

Very slim odds, but seeing how 5 episodes of the OT went unaccounted for, perhaps two of them were profile episodes featuring them.

I remember reading on the official TMNT way back whenabout why the production numbers on the OT were out of whack, and I don't recalling them saying anything that implied there were any episodes written/conceived but never produced.

BTW, I dunno if we'll ever see Tatsu again. Northshore Investments/Golden Harvest owned the rights to him (along with Keno, Prof. Jordan Perry and Chief Sterns) back in the days, and I can't find any indication that Mirage ever tried to buy out those rights.

BentonGrey

09-07-2011, 10:52 PM

A Verminator X storyline would be great if we could actually see the storyline of him working with the Turtles and then turning on them

I would LOVE to see this.

gobo

09-08-2011, 12:03 PM

Which underused villains from the 90's deserve a comeback or reimagining?
Zachary Moss, the fifth turtle

EDIT: Oops! I thought you said "overused villains". :P My bad! :embarass:

Xav

09-12-2011, 12:17 PM

I'd like to see more of Gen. Traag, Lt. Granitor, rock soldiers, multi-colored foot soldiers (from the Konami games), Slash, Metalhead, Chrome Dome, and Baxter Stockman. Lt. Granitor? When was his rank ever given?

gobo

09-12-2011, 12:38 PM

Lt. Granitor? When was his rank ever given?
Same time his name was ever given... when TMNT II: The Arcade Game for NES's instruction booklet was released.

Xav

09-12-2011, 12:45 PM

Same time his name was ever given... when TMNT II: The Arcade Game for NES's instruction booklet was released. No it wasn't it just calls him "Granitor the Stone Warrior".

gobo

09-12-2011, 12:58 PM

Really? I sure thought it was there. Maybe it was a Nintendo Power then? :-?

Xav

09-12-2011, 02:58 PM

No I just checked the guide doesn't even name him it just calls him "The Stone Warrior". BTW who is Zachary Moss?

Sage Ninja

09-13-2011, 10:22 PM

Zachary Moss, the fifth turtle

EDIT: Oops! I thought you said "overused villains". :P My bad! :embarass:

I don't know why but when I first saw what you wrote here I read it as Zack Morris :

http://stevekaczynski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/zack_morris.jpg

:P

Master of the Foot Clan

03-27-2012, 11:30 PM

I remember reading on the official TMNT way back whenabout why the production numbers on the OT were out of whack, and I don't recalling them saying anything that implied there were any episodes written/conceived but never produced.

Northshore Investments/Golden Harvest owned the rights to him (along with Keno, Prof. Jordan Perry and Chief Sterns) back in the days, and I can't find any indication that Mirage ever tried to buy out those rights.
Source? Who owns them now?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-28-2012, 07:04 AM

A Verminator X storyline would be great if we could actually see the storyline of him working with the Turtles and then turning on them

It should be with Armaggon too.

MikeandRaph87

03-29-2012, 04:37 PM

It should be with Armaggon too.

Armaggon might be the most popular TMNT character to never appear in animated form. I have a feeling that Viacom/Nick will not see that. Maybe we can see him again if The Forever War is commissoned to be completetd otherwise we may no.:cry:

ngroove

03-29-2012, 05:51 PM

Hey, since ya' mentioned nineties:

Silver, the gangster gorilla.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

03-30-2012, 05:24 AM

Armaggon might be the most popular TMNT character to never appear in animated form. I have a feeling that Viacom/Nick will not see that. Maybe we can see him again if The Forever War is commissoned to be completetd otherwise we may no.:cry:

I wish Shredder could team up with Armaggon and Verminator even in the 1987 cartoon, later, just leaving Krang behind. Krang could maybe team up with Bellybomb later. I would like to see more Archie stuff in the 1987 show, especially especially since Archie did a fantastic work exploring more of Dimension X.

MikeandRaph87

03-30-2012, 06:48 AM

I wish Shredder could team up with Armaggon and Verminator even in the 1987 cartoon, later, just leaving Krang behind. Krang could maybe team up with Bellybomb later. I would like to see more Archie stuff in the 1987 show, especially especially since Archie did a fantastic work exploring more of Dimension X.

Yeah, it was only really "The Dimension X Story", "Shredder Triumphant" and "Turtle Trek" did we get to see much of it beyond where Technodrome had landed.

Swedenfan,you always could fix that. In your spare time why don't you right a fanfiction about it?:D

Bjarni

03-30-2012, 07:41 AM

Hey, since ya' mentioned nineties:
Silver, the gangster gorilla.
Yes! I think that could be great.

I wish Shredder could team up with Armaggon and Verminator even in the 1987 cartoon
I'm happy that the 80's cartoon and Archie comics became their own thing, sometimes I would wish Wolf-Swenson would use some of the Playmates Action Figures or get more ideas from Mirage or Archie, but I'm happy that they did their own thing and we have so many different adventures to choose from when it comes to continuing the legacy. I do hope that this time we do get a little bit of everything.

ctt4lfecw

03-31-2012, 09:23 PM

I'll say that Slash deserves a reimagining. I love watching him in the FW cartoons. But, I think they could so much with him in the future with more depth added to his character. Slash needs more love.

JonesyKitty

04-01-2012, 12:04 AM

Tempestra!

She had great potential which wasn't fully used in the OS.

i agree, that episode is one of my favorites :)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

04-01-2012, 07:15 AM

Yes! I think that could be great.

I'm happy that the 80's cartoon and Archie comics became their own thing, sometimes I would wish Wolf-Swenson would use some of the Playmates Action Figures or get more ideas from Mirage or Archie, but I'm happy that they did their own thing and we have so many different adventures to choose from when it comes to continuing the legacy. I do hope that this time we do get a little bit of everything.

Yeah, what's the point of TMNT action figures without being in any TMNT story. I bought those I recognized from the cartoons and comics.

And why did they release some Mirage-only characters (like Fugutoid, counted as 2003 show didn't exist back then)? Must be for collectors, since the Mirage comics were intended for an older audience.

Redeemer

04-01-2012, 10:36 AM

I would like to see some shredder he was such an under-used character in the OT;)

Im jst joking I think I would have liked to see more slash I think he was only in like 2 eps of the OT????He was so awesome in the video games :D

Xav

04-01-2012, 11:59 AM

He was actually in three episodes Slash - The Evil Turtle from Dimension X, Donatello Trashes Slash, and Night of the Rogues. Fast Forward did have the Dark Turtles who were kind of like Slash.

Sage Ninja

04-04-2012, 10:57 AM

How about that circus slave driver guy from "Back to the Egg?" He seems like he could have been somewhat interesting if he had more on his creature show in Demension X.

Also going off of the Red Sky era (I don't know if he has been mentioned) but Chonos from "Split-Second" would be cool. I really liked him.

Also Cater's rival from Show Down could have made for a pretty good more down to earth villian. If for no other reason than to have Robbie Rist in the show more. :D

Plasticplayhouse

04-04-2012, 11:31 AM

I would love to see the Rat King get some new exposure. I absolutely LOVED how he was depicted in Jim lawson's vol 1 #4 issue of TMNT Tales and especially how he and that issue of Tails were tied into the city at war arch. How splinter just happened to fall into the same abandoned wearhouse silo as the Rat King fell into (and apparently remained) back in the Tales issue. It's what makes him one of my favorite supporting characters.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

04-04-2012, 12:59 PM

gobo

04-04-2012, 01:05 PM

I hope a mutant elephant sits on your head.

pannoni1

04-04-2012, 01:21 PM

Killer Moth

04-04-2012, 01:41 PM

Technically they're '80s, but I'd like to see the mousers in one episode return with the Super Mouser as seen in the 1989 NES game, and it could be a climax for Baxter right before he turns into something for his failures. I also won't mind Mutagen Man to make another appearance as there was so much he could have done with his body who knows what else he could have done, not to mention his mutagen powers.

I suddenly have this visual in my head with Chrome Dome riding the Super Mouser in the first NES game. Or, if not, do the Mother Mousers from the Manhattan Project. Those were awesome.

All good suggestions, as I would have cited them, myself, but I'll pick the Four Horsemen in particular. Because the world needs more "happy" Grim Reapers who can control such insanely designed monsters through mariorette puppetery. Win-win for its refreshing inventive ness.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

04-04-2012, 04:14 PM