Do you feel most of the villains in the OT were wrapped up?

[CyberCubed]

From what I can remember:

- Shredder/Krang, sent back to Dimension X during the 3 parter in Season 10. Most likely stranded somewhere.

- Lord Dregg, blown up with Krang's Android body off-screen in a portal

- Bebop/Rocksteady, lost in Dimension X in the finale of Season 8

- General Traag, Dimension X?

- Baxter Stockman, still trapped in the space between Dimensions during his last appearance in Season 7.

- Rat King. Tied up and most likely arrested in, "Wrath of the Rat King," in Season 8.

- Leatherhead, on the loose, never seen again after "Night of the Rogues."

- Slash, on the loose, never seen again after "Night of the Rogues"

- Groundchuck/Dirtbag, most likely arrested on Shell-ri-La in their last appearance in Season 7.

- Tempestra, never captured.

- Rahzar/Tokka, technically not true villains in the OT. They only seemed to want to look for food. Let go at the end of, "Dirk Savage, Mutant hunter."

- Hi-tech, drifting in space.

- Mung, just left in Dimension X, most likely quit working for Dregg.



Overall with the exception of Leatherhead, Tempestra and Slash, I think the OT wrapped up most of the villains pretty decently. Its not like they would literally be killed off, as Raph said, "That is not the way we get rid of villains on our show."

[gobo]

Vernon wasn't.

[Icebot]

I don't know about Dregg. I don't think he was destroyed when Krang's body exploded. He could have also easily been destroyed when he got sucked into the black hole in "The Day The Earth Disappeared" and he obviously wasn't. And he didn't even have the extra armor to protect him like he did in Divide and Conquer.

Titanis from season 8 ended up in the prehistoric. But they never showed his mutants again or whether or not they turned back into humans. At the end of the last HAVOC episode, April said their mutants are still running loose, after that, we never see them or hear about them again.

It would have been nice to see Baxter turn back into a human instead of being stuck in limbo.

[LotusBlossom]

Overall with the exception of Leatherhead, Tempestra and Slash, I think the OT wrapped up most of the villains pretty decently."

Well, technically speaking, you should also add Scumbug, Antrax and Chrome Dome (v. 2.0) to that group "that got away".

And also, what about all the various assorted gangsters and mad scientists? Do they count, too?

[Powder]

One thing the OT was certainly not credited for was giving closure to characters. Oh well. Toy schilling doesn't require it, right?

[ssjup81]

Personally, I hate the fact that Baxter's character was never fully dealt with. I hated the fact that he was stuck in between dimensions and that he was always going to remain a fly. He was just royally screwed, imo. I always hoped that he'd get his revenge on Shredder and Krang. Sucks that the longer he remained a fly, the dumber he was becoming.

[Stingray69]

Well, technically speaking, you should also add Scumbug, Antrax and Chrome Dome (v. 2.0) to that group "that got away".

And also, what about all the various assorted gangsters and mad scientists? Do they count, too?

Dint they crush chrome dome in one episode in season 7 I think. Did he come back after that?

[Powder]

Dint they crush chrome dome in one episode in season 7 I think. Did he come back after that?

Yes, hence her referring to him as version 2.0. Night Of The Rogues.

[Stingray69]

Yes, hence her referring to him as version 2.0. Night Of The Rogues.

Nite of the rogues is the episode that chrome dome gets crushed in. What episode(s) does he appear in after that?

[pannoni1]

Bebop and Rocksteady's gang from Once Upon a Time Machine are simply normal people, so I find that their lives actually turned out better than everyone else.

Most of the random scientists either disappeared or gave up. But Dregg, Foot Soldiers and mousers on the other hand were the only enemies to truly be destroyed.

Roadkill Rodney, on the other hand, survived and is probably somewhere in Dimension X or the Technodrome.

But leaving villains wrapped up allows for the opportunity to make a return in future episodes; thus the multiple episodes with Slash, Rat King, the Shredder/Krang reappearance in Season 10, Baxter returning after you think he's wrapped up forever.

[CyberCubed]

Well, technically speaking, you should also add Scumbug, Antrax and Chrome Dome (v. 2.0) to that group "that got away".

Chrome Dome was crushed in his last appearance, what are you talking about? I agree with Scumbug/Antrax though.

And also, what about all the various assorted gangsters and mad scientists? Do they count, too?

The mad scientists were all always arrested at the end of their episodes. Most of the mobsters stopped appearing once Season 6 ended, and were arrested if I remember correctly in their last appearances.

[Powder]

Nite of the rogues is the episode that chrome dome gets crushed in. What episode(s) does he appear in after that?

My bad, I got confused. Totally forgot that was how he met his demise in that episode.

[CyberCubed]

Personally, I hate the fact that Baxter's character was never fully dealt with. I hated the fact that he was stuck in between dimensions and that he was always going to remain a fly. He was just royally screwed, imo. I always hoped that he'd get his revenge on Shredder and Krang. Sucks that the longer he remained a fly, the dumber he was becoming.

I don't think David Wise ever had any intention of Baxter becoming human again.

He was supposed to be a tragic villain. Baxter lost his mind more and more as he kept appearing, and being stuck in Dimensional limbo was a fitting end for his character.

As for Leatherhead, I assume he just returned to the swamp after his last appearance. Hope the Punk frogs are ready for him this time. :p

[Cryomancer]

It's interesting how Baxter pretty much ALWAYS ends up being one of the most perpetually boned characters in the franchise, no matter what universe you're talking about.

[Jester]

Nite of the rogues is the episode that chrome dome gets crushed in. What episode(s) does he appear in after that?

The yet to be released on DVD, Planet of the Turtleoids.

EDIT: Also, I don't think many of the characters period got a proper send off. I mean, did Carter ever fix his unstable mutation?

[gobo]

The yet to be released on DVD, Planet of the Turtleoids.
Except that wasn't "after". :P
did Carter ever fix his unstable mutation?
Yes. Then regretted it, and hulked it back.

[Jester]

Except that wasn't "after". :P
I need to learn to read...:(

[CyberCubed]

EDIT: Also, I don't think many of the characters period got a proper send off. I mean, did Carter ever fix his unstable mutation?

He went to the future to have it fixed. We didn't need to see him again.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Vernon wasn't.

Rofl :tlol:

I dunno, I think it seems all the villains seemed to be wrapped up. I just wonder about Krang and Shredder, if they were stuck in Dimension X, why didnt they use the Technodrome to escape again?

[LotusBlossom]

Didn't they crush chrome dome in one episode in season 7 I think. Did he come back after that?

Oh, my fault!

I didn't realize he had been permanently destroyed by that hydraulic press. I thought it had just, like, incapacitated him or something. Especially since he had been repaired in the past.

BTW, if I were April, I would have tried contacting Bugman, REX-1, Mondo Gecko, Muckman and maybe Mario the pizza delivery guy before I got around to calling Zach. In fact, I might have even called Howie Hardy first.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Groundchuck/Dirtbag were locked up on some prison on Shell-ri-la. The last we see of them they're just tied up on the ground.

Same for Rat King. He's tied up for the police on the ground in his last appearance.

Leatherhead likely returned to the Florida swamp. I wish Slash got some type of ending though.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I wonder if Groundchuck/Dirtbag were locked up on some prison on Shell-ri-la. The last we see of them they're just tied up on the ground.

Same for Rat King. He's tied up for the police on the ground in his last appearance.

Leatherhead likely returned to the Florida swamp. I wish Slash got some type of ending though.

As mutated back?

[sdp]

I felt most OT villains didn't get proper wrap up, I mean being defeated at the end of the episode and captured really wasn't the way to go for them, they needed a better send off, a shame none of them really got one.

From what I can remember:

- Shredder/Krang, sent back to Dimension X during the 3 parter in Season 10. Most likely stranded somewhere.Sent back to Dimension X though? they didn't even get any last lines or even a comment from the turtles that they were gone for good, this is no different from all the times in S3/4 were they did the same to Shredder only to have him come back next episode.

- Lord Dregg, blown up with Krang's Android body off-screen in a portalWhile Dreggs character seemed to reach the point that he went mad and no longer the threat he once was the ending still screamed "he isn't gone for good", but I guess he is the one who got the best wrap up

- Bebop/Rocksteady, lost in Dimension X in the finale of Season 8Again like Shredder, there were just so many great send offs for these villains through out the show the last one they got just feels like a filler episode way of getting rid of them for good

- Baxter Stockman, still trapped in the space between Dimensions during his last appearance in Season 7.He'd been trapped there plenty of times before and gotten out, he really needed something different for his last appearance since we know he'll eventually get out again

- Rat King. Tied up and most likely arrested in, "Wrath of the Rat King," in Season 8.Rather lame way to go for the rat king




With those endings it's hardly better than them being loose like leatherhead or slash, at least it leaves it open ended to what happened to them.

[Killer Moth]

I didn't realize he had been permanently destroyed by that hydraulic press. I thought it had just, like, incapacitated him or something. Especially since he had been repaired in the past.

An understandable error. Technically, his head was still intact, so if Wise went there, CD could have pulled a late-BTAS Mr. Freeze with a detachable head and he could have gotten away. But that's why we have fanfiction.

In terms of "did such and such have a good or decent finale," it depends. Baxter and Rat King technically did, as after their final episodes, how could they top themselves? Baxter's final revenge scheme was a good one, and, frankly, he probably couldn't go farther than that. He planned to turn all humans into insect mutants -- what's left after that? Conversely, I suppose it's possible for Rat King to break out of prison, since "Wrath" re-established him as a bad-ass and a serious threat, but otherwise, where else could he go after commanding briefly a major weapon of destruction and giant mutant rats in one episode?

From the interviews I've now seen of Wise, it's clear Wise and the writers wrote as they went. Nothing wrong with that, but the Red Sky reboot just suddenly appeared, right, so many things had to get lost in the shuffle. Furthermore, some animated series plan finales for certain major and minor villains ahead of time, while most typically don't (especially on Saturday morning television). Or in case of "Revenge of the Fly," it works well enough as a decent finale for Baxter, despite it was as open-ended as anything else.

Now, Dregg's fate in "Divide and Conquer" worked well in that it was a major setback for him (relentless in his personal pursuit of the Turtles with his new tech and still failed). He probably survived it, but it was still a humilating defeat for him -- close enough. Same could be said with Shredder and "Turtle Trek," except the plant monster he wanted to use against the Turtles instead destroyed his Technodrome. (Whether the Turtles intended for that to occur is for another post.) Shredder's still around, but it was a humilating defeat, so it provides enough closure.

The cynical version would be, "it's an episodic television series, so everything has to be open-ended in case the writers want to use character X or Y for whatever occasion and on short notice." After all, who knew Shredder and Krang would be back only a season and a half after "Turtle Trek", for example?

[MikeandRaph87]

The cynical version would be, "it's an episodic television series, so everything has to be open-ended in case the writers want to use character X or Y for whatever occasion and on short notice." After all, who knew Shredder and Krang would be back only a season and a half after "Turtle Trek", for example?

I will comment further later on but, Splinter acts as though Shredder and gang will be back soon not a season and a half later. That was before Dregg and Carter were thrown in Wise's face by the CBS suits. I felt that after Turtles of The Second Power, the last three episodes which showed Dregg was wrong. He was thrown back into Dimenxion X just like Shredder and Krang yet he just operated from there with no episode break. Why not have Shredder and Krang do that instead? We see Krang's body defeat Dregg as a way for them to stick it to Dregg but it would have made better sense to have them there instead of Dregg. I will only assume this is because it was unknown at the time it would be the last episode. To see one last battle with Shredder would have been more fitting and why I would havel iked season 11 and Dregg free.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if IDW is planning on doing this storyline. I wouldn't be surprised if they do once the Turtles have known April for a while.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Rofl :tlol:

I dunno, I think it seems all the villains seemed to be wrapped up. I just wonder about Krang and Shredder, if they were stuck in Dimension X, why didnt they use the Technodrome to escape again?

To teleport the Technodrome back to Earth, they need energy for a portal big enough for the Technodrome to slip through. Common theme during season 2 and 4.

[sdp]

Now that we´re mentioning IDW, dont they make a ton of different transformers books from different continuities, it wouldnt be out of the question to have a comic based on the OT continuity from what I hear they do that for transformers and GI Joe books either continuing a specific series or even a previous comic.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Now that we´re mentioning IDW, dont they make a ton of different transformers books from different continuities, it wouldnt be out of the question to have a comic based on the OT continuity from what I hear they do that for transformers and GI Joe books either continuing a specific series or even a previous comic.

I doubt that would sell well. Most kids weren't even born when the old TMNT show was taken off air in 1996.

[sdp]

That's not the audience they're going for, you can use the same logic for the transformers books.