Leo In Yellow/Venus In Pink (Next Mutation)

[Powder]

In the intro/outro clips of The Next Mutation, there's a group shot shown in which Leonardo is wearing yellow pads and a yellow/green bandana.

What the shell?

I noticed it right from the first episode and was always confused by it. I know that Venus was originally going to be Pink... My theory is that once they switched her over to a pale blue somebody figured "We can't have two blue ones, that will confuse the kids." and thus switched Leo over to the next primary color. Then, somebody else workin' on the show said "C'mon, he's the leader, he's always been blue. You can't just change that!" & they brought her back to pink. Then they said screw it & thus they ended up as we know them all to be.

Does anybody have any details behind this? What would your reaction of been had they kept this change? Do you think Venus would've been better suited in pink? Share all yer thoughts on the matter.

Here you can see Leonardo in Yellow-
http://i41.tinypic.com/210xguv.png

& here is where you see Venus in pink. This Playmates promo picture was released prior to the show airing, but I'm assuming after they'd already made the change.
http://i44.tinypic.com/339ksbd.png

I remember having the Playmates catalog (or whatever it was) that this picture was featured in, and thinking that I much preferred the pink bandana. Now as an adult I understand that they probably switched it because it was too much of a LOOK IT'S A GIRL SEE SHE WEARS PINK vibe going on, plus maybe boys would've been completely turned off by the color... I dunno. Even so, I still kinda like it better but maybe that's only because it's something different from the norm. I love variation.

As for Leo in yellow... I actually always thought it looked really neat, if only for this series. Leo is my favorite turtle, so switching his color for the rest of time wouldn't be cool with me, but if The Next Mutation had been an exception, I wouldn't of minded at all. It's a cool "highlighter" kinda color, and I'm a sucker for neon. :trazz:

[oldmanwinters]

Now that's WEIRD!!! My guess is that something when wrong with the coloring effects on that green/blue screen shot. But why not just give Venus a color other than pink or blue, like... maybe yellow?

EDIT: And seeing how this was Saban, Leo totally should have became the White Rang.... er... Turtle!

[Master Splinter]

I've never noticed that Powder and I didn't know she was originally going to be pink. I think they might have been more successful with her if they did leave her pink. Just asked my wife and she said Pink for sure.

-ms

[Jester]

Pink's too stereotypically "girl"....

Just kidding, It'd have been better than "lighter shade of blue".

[mysterycolor]

maybe it is a bit of a stereotype- but i think the picture that shows her wearing pink looks a lot nicer.

[Eiko]

No idea with Leo in yellow. But i think Venus looks a lot better in pink.

[Jester]

I think Leo's yellow by accident, Like Adam said, a snaffu with either the lighting or the "chroma key".

[pannoni1]

To me I associate yellow with April, so not having her in TNM makes some sense with Leo, though it's stranger. Maybe they should have just had red bandanas with different skintones (except for Venus, who could be blue). But given that it was live action and people liked the pink ranger on Power Rangers, I'm sure it could have worked here.

[Powder]

There's no way that Leo is yellow by mistake, guys.

[Protoman]

Really digging that pink Venus figure.

[ToTheNines]

I remember something about them wanting to have Venus be pink, Leo be yellow, and Don be black but it was decided against at a certain point in pre-production.

[The Fifth Turtle]

Leo in blue, Venus in pink hands down

[Zachatello00]

DRAGON SKULL! SO AWESOME!!!!


I also seem to remember hearing somewhere that Venus was originally supposed to be Pink, but I can't for the life of me remember where...

[Filespit]

http://i44.tinypic.com/339ksbd.png
Did they actually release these? I've never seen them to be honest.

[Candy Kappa]

Did they actually release these? I've never seen them to be honest.

yup, although Venus colors was more show accurate

[Powder]

DRAGON SKULL! SO AWESOME!!!!


I also seem to remember hearing somewhere that Venus was originally supposed to be Pink, but I can't for the life of me remember where...

Dragon Skull being what? And you heard that in my first post. :trazz:

[Chaotix12345]

Dragon Skull being what?

Judging by the image, that was the prototype name for the Dragon Lord.

[Powder]

Judging by the image, that was the prototype name for the Dragon Lord.

Oh wow, I never even noticed.

[Nelson]

They probably used a blue backdrop for that shot (instead of green because of the turtles' skin color) so Leo got a different color for his bandana. Then they didn't correct it to reduce costs (it's a very short shot anyway)

That's the most likely explanation.

[Candy Kappa]

Venus is still blue in the picture, seems a bit lazy correcting her colors but not on the turtle that is closer in the shot

[Ninjinister]

Isn't that more of a magenta?

[Candy Kappa]

more magenta then pink

[Stingray69]

Magenta pink what ever it would have been better then powder blue. Seeing that pink figure makes me want to track down one and custom paint it.

[KROW]

Venus should've been in yellow. I remember my synapse going buggy for a split second when I saw her instead of Leo and vice versa.

[Ninjinister]

Venus should've been in yellow. I remember my synapse going buggy for a split second when I saw her instead of Leo and vice versa.

Wouldn't she be mistaken for Michelangelo then?

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1825/screenshot20111105at124.jpg

[Jester]

Ah good ole yellow Mickey....whoops. :D

[Candy Kappa]

Seen a lot of fan art with her mask as white, looks pretty good

[Powder]

That won't cut it, people will think Benvenuto got a sex change.

[Donnie]

I like Venus in pink. Looks cool. Leo in yellow sucks, though.

[Redeemer]

EDIT: And seeing how this was Saban, Leo totally should have became the White Rang.... er... Turtle!

It would have been awesome if Leo was white and had simply passed his blue bandana down to venus. I mean seriously I can picture it now, it would have been awesome. :o

[Dragnskull]

I must have figure D for obvious reasons. And just FYI, this is a coincidence. Never even heard of him before now.

[KROW]

Wouldn't she be mistaken for Michelangelo then?

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1825/screenshot20111105at124.jpg

Only to retarded graphic designers.

[KirkyMonster]

I think it would be weird for Leo to be yellow. Venus in pink being the only female is pretty cliche I would say either white or possibly yellow, I think light blue looked good for Venus though.

[oldmanwinters]

This thread LIVES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z53G7k4ftg#t=00m37s) again!

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

To me, it's more like a zombie of sorts. Specifically, like Frankenstein's monster. It's a reanimated corpse that teeters between alive and dead. Soon, the townspeople will come and try to exile the abomination using torches and pitchforks.

[Cryomancer]

Someone post a easy-to-work-with* shot with Leo and Venus in it and I'll do some color changes on it.

*Somewhat high resolution, the more the better, and the more "defined" the color sections are, the better. Artwork would be ideal, really.

[FoxZerro]

Venus would have been better if she had had her own distinct color instead of powder blue. While I like the idea of Pink and have no problem with it being a traditionally stereotypical girl colour, especially since it was Saban who brought us the pink ranger. I think going with a white bandana would have made a whole heap of a lot more sense. Maybe that's just because I thought it worked out well in the April as a turtle story in TMNTA:Special 11. However, I can justify it in terms of Next Mutation because she was holy and used magic and White is associated with both of those.

[Jephael]

Maybe if the show had picked up for a second season we might've gotten to see Venus obtain a new color bandana.

[Cryomancer]

Here, did a few various edits to the only half-decent next mutation images I could find (from http://www.flickr.com/photos/terrible2z/ , of course).

After doing these, I think bright yellow Venus could have maybe worked the best for live action, but would look bad in drawings. These are all pretty sloppy because I didn't feel like spending a whole lot of time on this.

Enjoy http://imgur.com/a/tW2M7#0

[ryukenden]

Leo in yellow was freaky. It would have made long time fans hate this series even more. Venus in pink would have been fitting. In Sentai/Power Rangers, the leader would wear red and the main girl would wear pink but since red is Raph's color, they went with darker shade of blue for Leo and turquoise for Venus.

[Jester]

So.....Movie Bob Chipman talks about Pink Venus, Yellow Leo, and a proposed Black masked Donnie.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/highdefinition/12090-tmnt-ninja-turtles-next-mutation

[Shark_Blade]

Tell them to stuff it.

[Jester]

Tell them to stuff it.
Um.....ok.

[Commenter 42]

What? Lol....
Anyways, thanks Jester. I missed this post in August. Nice read.

[turtlefanforever]

I prefer the pink. At least the toy looks really cool to me. Things are fine the way they are though.

[MikeandRaph87]

I often wondered, why did TPTB give Venus blue when Raphael was already blue even if it was light blue and Leo's was made a dark blue. Yellow would have been preferable atleast to me. There were teases of Mike wearing yellow in the Arcade game art so for Venus to wear it that would have made sense. Leo to give up his color to Venus though? No thanks.

[IndigoErth]

Well that's a new one on me. :teek: Yeaaah...glad they just went with what they did, two blue tones isn't exactly "confusing." Maybe only if you're color blind to blue... (But then there are the turtle boobs to help differentiate either way. :roll:)

Yellow does not have good connotations to stick the leader with and pink would be an annoyingly lazy choice for "the girl." Heck, they could have gotten brave for Venus and went with...heaven forbid...a green, in a shade far different enough from her skin tone. Or I dunno, the yellow? Or better yet, the black option! But who could ever imagine putting a girl in a color that's not seen as inherently "girly"? Surely not them.

[pennydreadful]

But Indigo, if she doesn't have a pink mask and turtle-bewbs, how will people know she's a girl?! :tlol:

[IndigoErth]

lol Super glue and a big "hair" bow stuck right to her bald noggin. It's a shock anyone knows she's a girl without one.

[Birdman37]

Those toys looked so much better than the ****** design of the actual turtles and villains in the show lmao

[Donatello19]

I've actually never seen those prototypes before, they look awesome, especially Venus! While I can see why they changed it, I actually do like the pink on her better...but Leo with the yellow/green doesn't look that great to me.

[Bossa Nova]

I really love the color pink and wish it didn't have a strong stigma attached to it. But then again pink=girly and girly=bad so I guess it only makes sense. Whatever. I think it would have made more sense for Venus to wear pink, yellow or even white since the fact that there have been two turtles wearing the same color always bothered me.

[pennydreadful]

It's not that pink = bad, it's just that a lot of the time it's the only option/default for girl characters, and it can get really annoying.

Interestingly enough, the pink for girls/blue for boys thing with kids stuff didn't really get started until 1940. Prior to that, pink was actually seen as a boys' color as it was seen as a stronger color, while blue was perceived as daintier and more suitable for girls.

[Xav]

I often wondered, why did TPTB give Venus blue when Raphael was already blue even if it was light blue and Leo's was made a dark blue.When the hell was Raphael blue?

[VaughnMichael]

I don't know who took my catalog scan and re-uploaded it to another site but not cool.
I mean I know I can't stop people but what's the point when you can link from the page?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/vaughnmichael/sets/

Anyway Venus was going to be pink from the start to my knowledge.
I don't know why they switched it to baby blue like they did.
I also remember at one point hearing that the turtles would switch colors and start wearing things outside of their normal color choices for this show.
We didn't really get to see that outside of the camo figures.

I think to really get a real solid answer on this you'd have to get it from Kevin Eastman.:)

[sdp]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/Zakiyah/banner2.gif
Anyone remember Aska Badoura (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/member.php?u=1453)?

I liked her drawings of Venus with a white bandanna. I really don't know why they went with a lighter blue when they could've gone with any other color, white, pink, yellow, etc. I'm guessing they thought boys wouldn't buy a pink turtle but they might buy a girl turtle if she's another color. Or maybe she was never meant to be pink; for Power Rangers they actually painted the Zord for the Pink Ranger pink on the toy while in the actual show it was white so kids wouldn't be confused so prototype colors on toys shouldn't necessarily mean something else.

[Ninjinister]

Oh man thanks for the flashback.

[Powder]

I think to really get a real solid answer on this you'd have to get it from Kevin Eastman.:)

I wouldn't count on that, he's referred to Karai as Shredder's daughter in the context of Mirage & made all kinds of other wildly inaccurate statements. :lol:

[VaughnMichael]

I wouldn't count on that, he's referred to Karai as Shredder's daughter in the context of Mirage & made all kinds of other wildly inaccurate statements. :lol:
Oh really, that's odd as hell.
Nevermind then, he must be slipping.:ohwell: