hate for north american women?

[Jelly Bean]

Hey, since this is an international message board I wanted to ask a sensitive question. Are North American women awful?

I recently got my GED and I am going to a community college, one of the classes I am taking is a socialolgy course and one of my assignments is to look online for behaviors of expat dating (among other things) and Oh My God! I was blown away by the amount of hatred for western (especially North American) women. Now I know that we as Americans suck, and world views us as spoiled, entitled, arrogant, and stupid. And they aren't exactly wrong. But I kind of thought that us (men and women) as a whole were in the same boat, but from I've been seeing in my research is condemption of North American women in particular as being vilest of the vile. Even men from North America are bashing them.

I'm a little scared to ask this question because I know it has potenticial to turn into an ugly battle of the sexes, especially if the answers aren't what others want to hear, but this has shocked me enough to ask this question. Are North American women really so bad? As far as dating goes asian (mostly japanese) are on top and north American women are on the very bottom. I heard everything from North American women are too manish, not feminine, fat, opinionated, vulgar, rude, disrespectful, self entitled, lazy, slutty, bitchy it goes on in on, in contrast to women abroad who are classy, feminine, demure, thin, respectful, hard working, and respect their bodies. I don't know if these are legitimate and justifiable gripes due to frustration of how north american women treat their men, or if these complaints are coming from a place of male chauvinism. :-? Maybe both, but I have to say at how surprised I am at this seemingly global contempt for American women.

I know this topic may only be met with amusment and ridicule but I was really curious to know, do you people on here agree?

I guess it was ethnocentric of me to believe that North American women at least had some respect from other cultures and maybe even saw a positive model (right I can see how laughable and stupid that is) but I guess that comes from being a self entitled North American woman myself these people complain so much about. But you know...despite how crappy Americans can be, I thought that North American women weren't as bad as North American men...or at least only equally as bad.

http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

http://www.takenbythewind.com/2010/09/17/are-north-american-women-really-that-bad/

here are some of the articles that I got some of the comments from. These are only two out of many. And I will say that yes the woman who write the articles didn't help her case but acting smug about being an American woman vs. the nerdy American guy.

[gobo]

:blanksta: What? "Expat dating"? :-? Do not get.

[IamtheNorm]

I think a lot of it comes from who today's North American women are looking up too. The Kardashian's, Lohan along with shows like My sweet sixteen, Real Housewives, and 16 and pregnant. These people and show are embarrassing, but these are the things that women and girls see all the time and have started intimating. Which in turn is giving North America and North American women a bad name.

That and women are plain evil to begin with :D

*The ideas and opinions expressed in this post are those of me and only me and should not be taken as facts, nor do I think women are evil...at least not all of them*

[PAAATE]

wtf :-?

I'm not very fond of mankind as a whole, but I don't hate any group of people, or any individuals.

And I've never heard of this before.

I'm confused... :-?

[plastroncafe]

People dislike when the status quo is disrupted. It makes them feel nervous, and can cause them to lash out in anger. This is especially true when it comes to gender and gender roles.

No, North American Women aren't "bad," but the hate for us is palpable because a good number of us refuse to allow things that should be neutral traits for all people to be privileges allowed only to the male of the species.

Men aren't looked down on for openly expressing their sexuality or being assertive
They are, however, picked on mercilessly if they dare act like women, because being female is wrong.

We're the "other," while male is considered the default. A good visual representation of this effect is the stick figure drawing of a person. Without a skirt, or long hair, the figure is assumed to be male.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I think a lot of it comes from who today's North American women are looking up too. The Kardashian's, Lohan along with shows like My sweet sixteen, Real Housewives, and 16 and pregnant. These people and show are embarrassing, but these are the things that women and girls see all the time and have started intimating. Which in turn is giving North America and North American women a bad name.

That and women are plain evil to begin with :D

*The ideas and opinions expressed in this post are those of me and only me and should not be taken as facts, nor do I think women are evil...at least not all of them*

Movies and television don't exactly reflect real life. How many British men act like Benny Hill?

[Katie]

Lessee......

If some american guy is interested in Expat dating he must not like women of his own culture so maybe this is biased a little. And with asian women on top....maybe the sample group of dudes is a little.....internetish. if ya know what I mean.

Who really cares what some foreign guy thinks of an american woman? I'm not really worried what some guy who i'd never meet thinks of me....and really cross culture dating is unappealing to me so...meh?

What you find attractive or not is so subjective. Just cause some group of people don't like american women doesn't mean there aren't lots of groups with other thoughts.

Doesn't affect my self esteem either way.

Also, stop with the self hate over being an american. There will always be groups on th is planet that dislike americans...and americans will dislike others. You can't help where you were born. If you don't like some of the policies of our government, get involved for change. That really is a beautiful thing about our country

[Candy Kappa]

Can't say I've heard any hate on North American women... until now

[Peanut]

People can like it or go f*ck themselves, but media is 99% of the basis for opinion, especially when the opinion isn't backed up by actual experiences pertaining to the opinion being formed. When people watch shows about women from North America, you see loud mouth sluts, fat redneck dikes or plastic airheads.

It's just like how I think 3/4 of Americans are either breaking through chairs, falling off of high things, watching their animal do weird tricks or getting smacked in the balls on a daily basis. Where did I form this opinion? AFV. That's just how it works!

[Redeemer]

I was in a sociology class and dicussed a similar topic and saw a few videos. It wasnt eye opening, it was pretty much what I expected. A minor percentage of the people make the majority of the culture bad and then the culture as a whole is looked down upon. But this is nothing new, its happend through out time.

The above statement is simply my opinion..... and women r evil :P jk

[gobo]

You mean like how the Nazis made all of Germany look evil? O_o

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

You mean like how the Nazis made all of Germany look evil? O_o

Or how Muslim terrorism has convinced many people that Islam itself is the new Naziism?

[That Matt Guy]

How could anyone hate Canadians?

[mysterycolor]

as a north american woman, who has dated north american women...i certainly wouldnt agree that we are horrible... though it is really awful to generalize anyone/group that way... people who think that are (as stated above) probably just going off of an overflow of negative media... but we all have our own preferences...to each his own i suppose...

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

How could anyone hate Canadians?

Go to a hockey game.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think North American women are "bad" per se. Do we have our faults? Yes, but so do NA men. I think it's just bias and how people seem to perceive Americans as a whole. Yes, our country has a lot of flaws, and far be it from me to deny that. We really aren't as perfect as we claim to be, but I don't think that generalizing one group of people (NA women) is really fair.

[Jelly Bean]

it's not just a generalization of a few forigners alot of the bitter comments were coming from American men who have traveled abroad and met other women from different countries and made the comparison. And some where. Like this one right here in the first artcle :

Women of the Anglosphere are going to have to realize that they have low market value on the global dating scene. As a first generation immigrant here in the US I was shocked at the incredible amount of self-conceited arrogance of the average American woman, acting in ways that would have never flown in the old country, and American men are saints for tolerating them. For this reason I only date other expats.

If you wanted to find romance abroad it’s best to stick with other expats. I have an Australian friend who was living at Seoul teaching English and had the exact same problems as you. She’s a tall pretty red head who wasn’t interested in other expats and badly wanted a Korean boyfriend but Korean men completely ignored her. Needless to say she gave up after a while and hooked up with the first expat to show interest in her.

So here’s a tip for all Anglo women, stick to your own kind

Most western women are so unattractive, most are overweight by 50% or 60%, most are bitter, many drink, are loud and agressive,so many have tatoos, smoke, swear, and are angry that even western men dont like them.

If you are none of these, are pleasant, intelligent, slim, healthy, un marked from metal spikes or ink, then you should find a western man with no problem. In the meantime you cant compete against Asian women...

and


I’m American white man, I’m good looking and did well dating woman in US. I came to Japan for business I meet a beautiful Japanese lady the first day in Japan we fell in love and got married and now I live in Tokyo. You say you are average or a cute lady for US. Well then forget it in Japan you have no chance in case you haven’t noticed the Japanese woman are very beautiful, lady like, well dressed and well mannered, an average looking woman in US would not even be noticed here in Japan except for how fat she is and how she dresses like a peasant from a third world country. Your chances of getting a date are nearly zero among so many beautiful desirable Japanese ladies. Its true I got a more beautiful wife here than I had in US, you call it a dating loop hole, reality is US is a dating cesspool, I always thought I was way to good for most American woman, I dress well, work out a lot have a great education and good job, most US woman dress like slobs or sluts are fat and lazy, if they have a college education its useless like french or something. Woman around the world are much more desirable thinner and lady like than woman in the US. Trust me your large and in charge attitude and your belief that your better than everyone else just wont take American woman very far in Japan. Take it from a man that’s been around the world and been with many woman in different countries its not a dating loop hole in Japan, American woman have just been to spoiled and they couldn’t compete as a lady in most countries especially Japan where there is an abundance of thin, beautiful, lady like single woman all looking for a white man that will love them spoil them and treat them great take it from my wife and I we really don’t care what some fat avarage loud mouth American chick thinks[/

[Jelly Bean]

this last post was made by an American guy named Andy and there were alot of others that agreed with him. Actually he seems to have made it his mission to educate the American male population not to put up with Nortn American woman's crap any more.

I’ve been dealing with this issue for many years now. My experience is don’t try to argue with or persuade Western/American White Women on how to become of value to a man because its a waste of time, in keeping with their training these creatures will argue endlessly in the face of truth and logic for no other purpose than to take a combat stance against a man. Rather, in good conscience, just try to reinforce the convictions of our fellow man, especially American white men of the dangers of these unpleasant creatures and to inform those men who don’t know, that if they choose, there is an out for them, there is freedom and happiness for them in Asia with an Asian lady who will be your best friend, partner and lover for life with great care and love.

He actually goes on a rant later on down the page. I don't know if he is serious or if he is just trolling. But he seemed so passionate on his stance I can't imagine he is only trying to get a rise out the other commentators out of spite:

American White Women get used to being alone. My brother married a Mexican lady!! All my friends have married Mexican, Indian, Black or Asian ladies. Around the world no men want American white women, American men are now starting to see it too!! My goal is to encourage every man to not marry a white woman. GO AWAY!!! Even Black American woman are getting good careers and working hard to be desirable and please men, the way Asian woman do! Many black women are becoming very lady like, attractive and pleasant. Trust me white American woman are finished they cannot compete with any other woman. You can sit alone in your tshirts and sweat paints with all your cats and tell the cats how buetfuil you are, how great you are and how stupid men are, for not bowing down before you!!
To all American White Women
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR US MEN? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PLEASE US? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SAY “HEY MAYBE I’M NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIM, HE HAS MANY WOMEN TO CHOOSE FROM, I AM NOT A PRINCESS, WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE MYSELF MORE PLEASANT AND DESIRABLE FOR A MAN”?
You will never say it or think it that is why you are all fat slobs, with the behavior of a drunken construction worker and you will die alone with your 10 cats, thinking you are a princess and men are just screwed up with a mommy complex, god your stupid!!!

I agree with you most western white women are disgusting in appearance, but they are even more disgusting in attitude, personality and behavior. The modern expectations, the role and the demands that American white women have for men, have been forged during the collapse of the civilization, many of these communist Ideas have destroyed the United States and any chance for a positive relationship or family with American white woman so don’t even think that is possible!! You will pay and you will suffer. even if you consent to being a complete slave and giving her everything she wants, its never enough for her trust me.
If a American white woman is somehow attractive, still avoid her like the plague, maybe even more so. Sure she can be nice and sweet at first, or even ok while she is getting what she wants out of you but Please Please for the love of god never make the mistake of thinking an American white woman is different from others or that this one is ok, you will suffer great misery, you will pay endlessly and suffer extreme abuse for many years. You will be hated, you will be a slave, you may be thrown in jail (for doing nothing) she will steal every thing you ever earned and worked for, its not just my story look at a post from a friend of mine here. This is a typical relationship in the US today with these monsters called American white woman. Its a nightmare from which escape is nearly impossible she will use the law and courts to torture and punish you for years if you try to get out.

from my friend
I’m a StepDad of 3 still hanging in the relationship trying to give my all, despite all the insecurity issues, time, affection, appreciation, even sexualness I don’t get. I still stick around for her and the kids. We both work but I make about 4x as much as she does, my check goes on her the kids and bills. All my time is spent on them but not at all reciprocated. Everything and everyone else is her priority, ie. Birthday parties (for children) all parades, holidays, anything she can take the kids to or do she does which makes absolutely no time for us or me. I still send her flowers to work for special occasions but most times just for the heck of it to tell her I love her.. I try relieving any of her stress I can just so she can focus on me a little but It never works out that way.. other than what I do for her and the kids I am pretty much an inconvenience to her. I love them to death but I am really asking myself if I could live the rest of my life as an OPTION for her.

What is scary about this guy's opinions is that they closely mirror the opinions of my father. He doesn't like American women either. My mom isn't even from here. I guess it kind of shocks me that so many other American men feel this contempt for N.A women. For the longest time I thought only my dad felt this way because he is close minded. I can't wait till this assignemnt over, it's getting on my nerves now.

[gobo]

Now that you mention it, I'm kinda leaning towards that contempt, myself. I'm trying not to, but the virtuous women are few and far-between in America, as far as I can tell.

[PAAATE]

But why the **** would anyone hate any woman because they don't make themselves attractive to men?

Reading those quotes makes me wanna repeat what I first wrote "I'm not very fond of mankind as a whole"

I mean, seriously... If a general group of women (urgh) isn't desirable to you, is that a reason to hate that group?

I didn't read all the quotes Jelly Bean posted, so maybe there's more to the hate, but what I read just made me ****ing wanna throw up. Disgusting.

[plastroncafe]

Reads like garden variety misogyny to me. These men don't want partners, they want objects, and they're upset that their partners demand to be treated like people.

There's a saying that goes:
The one common denominator for all of your failed relationships, is you.

These guys are telling an entire culture of women to change because they don't like how they've been treated in their failed relationships. It's more than a little pathetic.

[Katie]

...yeah. pathetic is the right word.

Apparently these losers had no idea where to look for quality women. Because seriously, I worked my way from a family who's father had to hunt to put meat on the table to having a master's degree in finance and a solid middle class income all in my 20's. Probably couldn't get the "quality white women" to give him a second look.

Also seems like a couple of these guys just want a female to submit and do what he says. Now I admit this is how I was raised to be as a female, but as an adult I realize a partnership is about peopleworking together to mitigate weaknesses in one another, thus creating two stronger people.

Disgusting really....but again, what do I really care what a few guys think.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I couldn't help but be reminded of the old Japanese movie Yojimbo, about a ronin who enters a village in which two factions are fighting. One faction is ostensibly run by a rich merchant but it is his wife who is the real leader. And this is a movie made in Japan by Japanese with a Japanese crew, though the movie was intended to mock American Western which were popular in that era.

[Luzmagica]

Can't say I've heard any hate on North American women... until now

Yep.... same here.... :teek:
...I mean there are many tipical topics on every population...tho. I never heard about this before neither...

[Logan]

At the risk of sounding ethnocentric, I could really care less what other countries think of women in my country. They hate us for a lot of things, mostly things that we do our own way as opposed to their way.

If they want to pick apart a culture and put its flaws under a microscope, they should start with their own.

[Spitfire]

There's a larger online population of men out there who will bash chicks on their blogs and do other equally immature things like spam their facebook pages with mean words. The problem is that women and men don't understand each other and in most cases never will. Men are impulsive and not governed by emotions like women are. Men are quicker to turn sadness to rage and then manifest that rage into rants over the internet. It's preferable to taking their fists to a girl but still not cool.

Not to say women aren't at fault either. I'm sure some of the men complaining about their X's online have very valid reasons to be upset, cheating is a major one, but I don't really agree with the outlet. Airing dirty laundry in public is pretty low.

[Donnie]

This is generalization at its finest. I see tons of beautiful women in my wonderful beauteous land of Eastern North America. F*ck those generalizers.

[Katie]

Exactly.

From the descriptions in those posts I imagine those guys as the "country boys" from around here (Alabama). Low income. Blue collar. Mom ruled the house. Dad was a skinny laborer. Women around him same. Picked women up in bars. (Cause that's where classy women hang out :roll: ) never ventured outside his "area" and if he did the girls he met realized that he himself wasn't a catch and blew him off.

Foreign women, though...here's an american guy who will get me established/move me up a class/whatever. Treat him nice. Etc. Etc. Etc.


I can imagine this guy is actually surrounded by girls like this, but calling out a whole population based on what to me appears to be a low income trailer trash selection? F*ck that.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. Those posts are ridiculous at best. The thing is, they know nothing but think they do. They think that just because one woman treated them that way that all women in NA are like that. Wrong. And what's this about a college degree not getting anyone anywhere? Really? Having a college degree is the best thing anyone can do in life. Sure, it may not seem like it now with our poor economy, but before our economy got screwed up, having a college education was the best way to ensure you had a life.

These people who are posting are mindless idiots who have nothing else better to do with their lives than to bash others. They really need to grow up.

[NameGoesHere1066]

you know what I like about these comments is that they sound just as fanitical, emotional and stupid as some of the arguments of radical feminists they disdain so much. I love the hypocracy of it all.

But to play devil's advocate a little, some of the comments may have a point about the B.S guys put up with from girls with the "princess" mentality. I don't know why but I always see the nicest most decent guys end up with the most spoiled loudest mouthed bitchs that treat them like crap. Then suddeny when they've had enough they hate all women. But then I see a similar trend with shy nice girls ending up with assholes...:ohwell:

[Dirty Blond]

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[Cascadia]

If the quoted information is true, it may be more what the authors have experienced. Sometimes authors bias things that they see on TV, fanfiction, and/or movies and consider them to be true or base their information from their own experiences. Also, society as a whole love to generalize about people. I would not say that all North American women are absolutely evil. However, I am sure that some North American females are somewhat similar to what is mentioned in the quoted information. I do not think that it is right to bash and indicate that each North American woman is evil. Each male and female in North America as well each continent in this world are individuals...some are genuine while some are evil in terms of their behaviors.

[NameGoesHere1066]

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dude, I love your subtle wit......