Which character from next mutation might work in your favorite universe.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Alright, my first attempt at a poll thread. I decided on a random question.

If one of these characters exclusive to the (in)famous live-action series "the next mutation" had to be introduced in your favorite universe, which one would you prefer.

Also, in what way would you feel said character would work in your favorite universe.

Venus, Dragonlord, Silver or Bonesteel.

I left out dr Quease intentionally because he's just a generic mad scientist and not really as controversial as the others. I think he would make the choice too easy ;).

[VaughnMichael]

You left off my favorite Dr. Quease!

[Donnie]

You left off my favorite Dr. Quease!

Dr. Quease would have been my choice as well. But since he wasn't there, I voted Dragonlord. Dr. Quease could easily work in a bunch of different TMNT galaxies. Dragonlord probably could have been pulled off in the 2k3.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I had to go with Silver. I think he would have worked well in the OT, Archie, and maybe the IDW book.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I think every character in the poll could be worked into the IDW universe...

[Hermano Dyvas]

You left off my favorite Dr. Quease!

Dr. Quease would have been my choice as well. But since he wasn't there, I voted Dragonlord. Dr. Quease could easily work in a bunch of different TMNT galaxies. Dragonlord probably could have been pulled off in the 2k3.

Yeah, I did that intentionally, I edited my opening post to explain why.

[Donnie]

Yeah, I did that intentionally, I edited my opening post to explain why.

I agree he's kind of generic, but a Stockman/Quease duo has major potential.

[Hermano Dyvas]

I agree he's kind of generic, but a Stockman/Quease duo has major potential.

Oh, I don't mean to imply he hasn't got any potential.

Just out of curiosity, did you have something specific in mind for a Stockman/Quease team-up?

[Powder]

I think every character in the poll could be worked into the IDW universe...

Definitely this, to be 100% honest. But I think Vam Mi & Dragonlord would've been great to introduce somewhere into the timeline via Tales Of The TMNT Vol. 2. The Lizard King & Mafia Monkey are my biggest loves of the series, but I don't think Silver would've fit in all too good in Mirage. Anyway, Dragonlord got my vote.

But hey, why'd ya leave out Vam Mi?

[CyberCubed]

Dragon Lord could be retooled easily, but I'd prefer never to see these characters used again.

[Donnie]

Dragon Lord could be retooled easily, but I'd prefer never to see these characters used again.

Yet you favor the return of Bebop and Rocksteady. How odd.

[Stingray69]

I voted bonesteel why? Because the dude was crazy that why. And crazy works on all levels.

[CyberCubed]

Yet you favor the return of Bebop and Rocksteady. How odd.

What? Bebop and Rocksteady are two of the most popular villains in TMNT history, and seeing a slightly more gritty take on them could be cool.

The Next Mutation characters didn't resonate with me, but I did think Dragon Lord and Bonesteel are two characters that can easily be revamped.

Dr. Quease is a poor man's Baxter Stockman, Silver isn't interesting enough despite being a mutant ape or whatever he was, and Vam Mi was generic.

[sdp]

TNM created an amazing cast of characters, I also think all the characters can easily be retooled with the exception of Dragonlord, sure he can be introduced easily but it requires more suspension of disbelief with his whole army and dream scenario origin. The other ones are much more easily introduced in any one universe. I'd love to see Dragonlord but I'd rather see the other rogues first. I especially would like to see his dragons being more fleshed out, the general and the good dragon introduced in the show were good.

Silver the gangster ape is a great character that has a ton of potential, he wasn't a generic brooding gangster and had some personality if they hadn't made his goons so moronic he could have been seen as a threat, I liked that he didn't care for the turtles except when their plans conflicted.

Dr. Quease is also great, TNM made him a bit too 'mad' at times but I think he is different enough from Baxter Stockman since he isn't actually evil, his priority is science and he will do anything for science whether it's considered good or bad. Just don't make him dragonlords goon or allow him to get too crazy, and he's a great character.

Bonesteel was the crazy/bountyhunter, he is a great character when written well, in Unchain my heart he proved he could be crazy and a threat, in other episodes he was just wacky. keep his crazy personality but make him a threat.

Venus, I'd love to see her again, not as a main character but as a mutant that joins the gang, for a few episodes and later leaves. I like her and I'd love to see her introduced in TMNT mythos again even if it's a very small/cameo role.

Now the character I found most interesting was the blind man who was Splinters friend, that is a great concept of Splinter having a human friend who is blind and of course you can have the cliche, "he always knew Splinter was a giant rat".

The character I would not like to see is Wick, I never liked him though oddly enough his episode "King Wick" wasn't half bad. Didn't care much for Vaami either.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't be against a thoroughly reimagined Vam Mi or a Doctor Quease, all camp removed from both characters.

Doctor Quease himself was actually very clearly a riff on Eastman and Laird's own "Doctor Victor Feral" character which "appeared" in the TMNT & Other Strangeness book, so might as well just do Doc Feral instead. Seems like he'd fit right in as one of Baxter's top men in his company in the IDW TMNT, given his flair for mutation experiments.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Definitely this, to be 100% honest. But I think Vam Mi & Dragonlord would've been great to introduce somewhere into the timeline via Tales Of The TMNT Vol. 2. The Lizard King & Mafia Monkey are my biggest loves of the series, but I don't think Silver would've fit in all too good in Mirage. Anyway, Dragonlord got my vote.

But hey, why'd ya leave out Vam Mi?

To be honest I have no valid excuse for this. Sorry Powder.

If anyone wants to make a case for her just leave a comment.

[Hermano Dyvas]

My own vote went to Bonesteel. I just really like the character. I think it would be great if he showed up again in IDW. Of course he'll have to be revamped somewhat.

He should be just as batshit crazy as he was in the series, less stupid though. He'd also have to be more psycho crazy. Not afraid to kill anyone standing between him and his target.

I also liked how he wasn't impressed at all by the vampires in the series, too crazy to be afraid of supernatural beings like that. He needs to keep that perk too.

Hey, maybe IDW could introduce him when their universe gets too infested with mutants. He could clean up :P.

[Zage]

VENUS!!!!! :D I want her to be real, again, not forgotten. :'(

[Donnie]

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Doctor Quease himself was actually very clearly a riff on Eastman and Laird's own "Doctor Victor Feral" character which "appeared" in the TMNT & Other Strangeness book, so might as well just do Doc Feral instead. Seems like he'd fit right in as one of Baxter's top men in his company in the IDW TMNT, given his flair for mutation experiments.

Yeah, absolutely. He could be a really cool side character involved with Baxter. The only problem I would foresee is Quease trying to supplant Baxter eventually. Although maybe that would be an interesting element to a grander story rather than a problem.

I'd rather not see anything like Venus return, because part of what makes the Turtles er, the Turtles is the fact that they are the only ones of their kind. They're alone. Raph laments a few times in Image that it sucks that this is the case, especially because they are all male - is this incorrect? I think he has said it before...

If we ever were to get a Venus type of character, I would seriously hope they wouldn't use a boobie-shaped plastron. So distasteful.

[gobo]

Leonardo
Donatello
Michelangelo
Raphael
Splinter
Shredder

[Hermano Dyvas]

Leonardo
Donatello
Michelangelo
Raphael
Splinter
Shredder

Cheater! What if you had a gun to your head?

[gobo]

Fine. The green ranger then. :tgrumble:

[Cowabunga Carl]

If we ever were to get a Venus type of character, I would seriously hope they wouldn't use a boobie-shaped plastron. So distasteful.

Yet everyone seems okay with Ninjara and Apolex having boobs...

[gobo]

Ninjara's a mammal. Mammals have mammaries. That's just reasonable.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Venus, if she doesn't use magic.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Venus, if she doesn't use magic.

Well I think if she would return she should be a mystic. Spirituality is a big part of her character. She's a nice contrast to Don.

She also shouldn't become part of the main cast and the possibility of her having a relationship with any of the guys should be eliminated, not because they wouldn't want to (let's face it, that's unrealistic) but because of spiritual beliefs she has or something.

In the end though, I'd prefer no female turtle but I think I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be at least somewhat intrigued if she was ever reintroduced somewhere somehow. She would just have to fullfill all the conditions I mentioned above or I wouldn't like it.

[Andrew NDB]

The conditions I'd be OK with Venus in any universe that isn't already rubbish:

1) Probably don't call her Venus at all (and that right there sidesteps the automatic negative cannotations that any kind of NT:TNM tie-in would invoke). That's a stupid name. Mei Pieh Chi was a fine name, or pick something else entirely.
2) No plastron tits. That's weird, senseless (turtles don't have mammary glands or produce any kind of milk), and if they're going to do that they might as well point a finger (yes, probably that finger) right at readers and go, "We think you're all really stupid and won't be able to tell this is a female Turtle without her having big tits, nevermind that it makes no sense."
3) Don't tease that she might date the Turtles or dance around the issue. Crap or get off the pot.
4) Oh yeah... no magic and especially no magic fireballs. But perhaps she could still have shinobi "magic" that, while it seems like magic to outsiders or people that do not know any better, is actually rooted in real, practical tools she uses and such.

Hell, you know how Venus has always been the poster child for the antithesis of the Turtles being the last of their kind and so forth, so on? Perhaps Venus could actually help drive that home... make her kind of the Gwen Stacy of the IDW TMNT universe.

What do I mean? Picture this:

Venus comes into the picture, meets up with the Turtles, they establish quickly "No, we're not related to Venus," they have some adventures together, and little by little she grows close to one of the TMNT, say, Leonardo. Eventually they get quite close and go past third base... and then it turns out Venus is actually the reincarnation of their mother, Tang Shen.

OK, I had you there. No, rewind a bit to her getting close to Leonardo... and the two of them sort of having this romance... and then she gets killed off.

At the risk of "fridging" Venus, it would accomplish several major things. For one, obviously, it would be the big addressing of "The Female Turtle" thing and "is Venus gonna show up?" but also, and far more importantly, it would highlight the Turtles plight -- you know, they're the last of their kind and alone in the world -- by nullifying it in having Venus around... and then in yanking her away and reminding us all how chillingly real of a situation it is.

But I'd just as soon not a single molecule of NT:TNM is imported into... anything.

[Venom]

The conditions I'd be OK with Venus in any universe that isn't already rubbish:

1) Probably don't call her Venus at all (and that right there sidesteps the automatic negative cannotations that any kind of NT:TNM tie-in would invoke). That's a stupid name. Mei Pieh Chi was a fine name, or pick something else entirely.
2) No plastron tits. That's weird, senseless (turtles don't have mammary glands or produce any kind of milk), and if they're going to do that they might as well point a finger (yes, probably that finger) right at readers and go, "We think you're all really stupid and won't be able to tell this is a female Turtle without her having big tits, nevermind that it makes no sense."
3) Don't tease that she might date the Turtles or dance around the issue. Crap or get off the pot.
4) Oh yeah... no magic and especially no magic fireballs. But perhaps she could still have shinobi "magic" that, while it seems like magic to outsiders or people that do not know any better, is actually rooted in real, practical tools she uses and such.

Hell, you know how Venus has always been the poster child for the antithesis of the Turtles being the last of their kind and so forth, so on? Perhaps Venus could actually help drive that home... make her kind of the Gwen Stacy of the IDW TMNT universe.

What do I mean? Picture this:

Venus comes into the picture, meets up with the Turtles, they establish quickly "No, we're not related to Venus," they have some adventures together, and little by little she grows close to one of the TMNT, say, Leonardo. Eventually they get quite close and go past third base... and then it turns out Venus is actually the reincarnation of their mother, Tang Shen.

OK, I had you there. No, rewind a bit to her getting close to Leonardo... and the two of them sort of having this romance... and then she gets killed off.

At the risk of "fridging" Venus, it would accomplish several major things. For one, obviously, it would be the big addressing of "The Female Turtle" thing and "is Venus gonna show up?" but also, and far more importantly, it would highlight the Turtles plight -- you know, they're the last of their kind and alone in the world -- by nullifying it in having Venus around... and then in yanking her away and reminding us all how chillingly real of a situation it is.

But I'd just as soon not a single molecule of NT:TNM is imported into... anything.

Such a premise would also give the more macabre "fans" the death of a Ninja Turtle that is so popular in fan fiction.

[MikeandRaph87]

Fine. The green ranger then. :tgrumble:

Seconded as long as its Tommy and any team up is not a spit in the face with replacement rangers and Venus. Dragonzord and Cyber Turtles assuming they kept the suits from the '87 series episodes against a suped up Technodrome and a horde of rock soliders.:tcool:


Some characters need new life and second chances while other characters did to never show up again. Which characters will vary from fan to fan though I am sure a great majority will line up behind Peter Laird when it comes to Venus de Milo. She was erased in December of 2000 and is best left that way.

Dragon Lord is like a reptilian Dregg and I kinda lump these two together. Only in a storyline where Shredder faces and defeats one or the other would I want to see it.

[Hermano Dyvas]

I like Andrew's idea but I still feel she should know magic, magic as in how the foot mystics use it.

[Zage]

A lot of people are saying that IF Venus were to come back, no breasts, cause turtles don't have breasts, & it's just stupid, blah blah blah, waaaaaaaaah. Well, guess what people, she NOT all turtle, she DOES have human in her, hence her humanoid mutation, so the kinda justifies the boobs. :trazz:

[ryukenden]

The villains were a complete joke and very hard to take seriously. To be honest, I'm in the camp that says Venus would have had potential if the show wasn't so full of cheese.

[Coola Yagami]

I do like Andrew's idea there, as long as the romance is handled well, and doesn't start unneccesary '2 Turtles fighting over Venus' drama. I'd still nix the magic... seeing that it's sorta ninja-related it leaves the door open as to why she doesn't teach it to the Turtles and we don't want them using magic stuff long after her death.

No boobs. Though I guess it depends on the rest of her. Perhaps they gave her boobs back then since a tall curvy-legged female would look weird being flat chested. Perhaps make her look a little younger so she doesn't look like she should have boobs anyways. Or I don't know... like the April Turtle, despite being female, she had the exact same body-type the others had. I guess for most female animal characters that would otherwise look either male or unisex, cartoon designers always go for hair, boobs or a pink bow on their heads... and Fox went with boobs... at least she wasn't a pink Turtle or wore make-up. Or had long flowing hair like Mona Lisa...