Next Mutation

[Kalel]

So ive been wanting to watch Next Mutation for awhile now. I was planning on getting the VHS ones from Amazon. Is it worth it?

[Powder]

Youtube it. If you don't like what you see, don't buy it.

[Logan]

Or stream it via Netflix.

[Jester]

VHS ones? We talking about the "movie" version of East Meets West?
http://www.cheer.se/ninjaturtles/images/dvdvhs/vhs1.jpg
It's not THAT bad. I have a copy I was bought as a gift by my parents when it was new. I've watched it a few times, has things cut from the TV airings added back in.

[gobo]

And hear the horrid replacement music! Crapabunga! :D

[ZariusTwo]

So ive been wanting to watch Next Mutation for awhile now. I was planning on getting the VHS ones from Amazon. Is it worth it?

It was declared non-canon by the co-creator of the franchise.

That should tell you bucketloads

[ToTheNines]

It was declared non-canon by the co-creator of the franchise.

That should tell you bucketloads

And so were issues of the Mirage series like "The River".

Regardless, you're misusing the word "canon" again.

[Stingray69]

I really dont think its that bad so go for it.

[ZariusTwo]

And so were issues of the Mirage series like "The River".

Regardless, you're misusing the word "canon" again.

The f*ck I am.

[Galactus]

And so were issues of the Mirage series like "The River".

"The River" was deemed non canon for business reasons. The Next Mutation was deemed non canon because it was crap.

In all seriousness East Meets West and a handful of choice episodes here and there would be okay with some tweaks. I'd still jetison a certain female turtle though.

[ToTheNines]

The f*ck I am.

Yes, you are. You can't just say, "Peter Laird declared it non-canon" when The Next Mutation is its own thing.

You can say it's not canon with the movie trilogy, that would certainly be appropriate and probably true. But you can't just say it's not part of Ninja Turtles canon, because there's no such thing. Even though there's been some cross-overs here and there, each individual TMNT series is its own canon.

[gobo]

TNM is non-canon? With itself?? That sounds like something I'd say to amuse myself. ^_^

[Dragnskull]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_%28fiction%29

"In fiction, canon is the conceptual material accepted as "official" in a fictional universe's fan base. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction, which are not considered canonical. It is used in two slightly different meanings: first, "it refers to the overall set of storylines, premises, settings, and characters offered by the source media text".[1]:28 In this sense, canon is "the original work from which the fan fiction author borrows,"[2] or "the original media on which the fan fictions are based."[3] Secondly, it is used "as a descriptor of specific incidents, relationships, or story arcs that take place within the overall canon"; thus certain incidents or relationships may be described as being canon or not."

looks like hes using it right to me

[ToTheNines]

Next Mutation wasn't fan-fiction, brother. It was produced by Saban, aired on Fox Kids, and had toys made for it by Playmates. It was an officially licensed show, Pete and Kevin made money off it... need I go on?

If we're gonna go by that little blurb, then the Fred Wolf Cartoon, the movies, the Archie series and the 4kids show are all non-canon. They're absolutely not canon with the source material... but they create their own canon. Therefor you can't just say "that's not canon", unless you're saying (or atleast implying) "that's not canon with the _____ series". See?

Way to use wikipedia rather than your brain though.

[Candy Kappa]

worst interpretation of an Wiki article, ever.

TNM ain't a fan creation

[Redeemer]

^This makes me laugh, In all honesty I want to try, key word try to watch TNM

[gobo]

Easier said than done... :nod:

[Kalel]

I didnt know people felt so strong about Next Mutation and if its canon or not. Either way i appreciate the insight. And Im going to get it. Thanks guys.

[Powder]

We don't, we just don't like people who spew off without knowing what they're talking about.

[FearlessLeader]

Good luck with this series, I even enjoy the rock concert version on some levels for how goofy it was, but personally can't stand TNM. I love camp, but I just felt the series was so poorly written and some of the characters so out of line from any other version of them that it isn't even worth your time you will spend watching it.

[Kalel]

I just found it so odd that there is a female turtle Venus?. Now is she a sister or what?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I just found it so odd that there is a female turtle Venus?. Now is she a sister or what?

Something like that. She's a fifth turtle who was mutated, but for some reason ended up with some other guy instead of Splinter.

[FearlessLeader]

I just found it so odd that there is a female turtle Venus?. Now is she a sister or what?

That was actually something else that annoyed me about the series is they really start to try to down play the whole family aspect of the characters and the guys being brothers because the Turtles want to hook up with Venus and I think they figured that would be awkward if she was their "sister".

[Kalel]

I like the idea of Splinter being the turtles adoptive father. And i just saw this image of the Next Mutation...

http://i53.tinypic.com/28sm3oh.jpg

Im not a fan of the whole doo rag on Donnie T and Leo.

[gobo]

That was actually something else that annoyed me about the series is they really start to try to down play the whole family aspect of the characters and the guys being brothers because the Turtles want to hook up with Venus and I think they figured that would be awkward if she was their "sister".
Out of curiosity, did it bug you that they weren't brothers in the OT? I actually always thought they had been until it was pointed out in recent years that they never referred to each other as such. As far as I'm concerned, figurative family is still family. :)

[Kalel]

Out of curiosity, did it bug you that they weren't brothers in the OT? I actually always thought they had been until it was pointed out in recent years that they never referred to each other as such. As far as I'm concerned, figurative family is still family. :)

I know Im gonna get cut for asking but, what is OT?

[gobo]

OT= Original Toon :)

[Galactus]

I just found it so odd that there is a female turtle Venus?. Now is she a sister or what?

The Next Mutation made clear early on that the turtles were not blood relatives so they could chat up Venus as much as they wanted to.

Whether the boys treated each other and Venus as siblings depended on the episode.

[Stingray69]

As far as I'm concerned, figurative family is still family. :)

I feel the same way I've got blood relatives that I don't consider family. But at the same time I have people that are no way blood related that I consider true family.

[sdp]

I've never thought of the turtles as actual brothers but more in the spiritual sense. I find it odd people complain so much about this counting none of the turtles ever try to hook up with venus outside of the pilot when there are some comments of "liking" her, but whatever.

I personally loved the look of the TNM turtles, and the show while it has plenty of flaws is far from awful and has more than a few good ideas.

[FearlessLeader]

Out of curiosity, did it bug you that they weren't brothers in the OT? I actually always thought they had been until it was pointed out in recent years that they never referred to each other as such. As far as I'm concerned, figurative family is still family. :)

It didn't bother me because it wasn't as obvious and wasn't pointed out in a conversation in the show. :tgrin:

[Kalel]

I always assumed they were blood brothers, even if in every version of TMNT they didnt make it clear.

[gobo]

Playmates had them born at random pet shops across America. So, I'm guessing that's why.

[Falconhood]

watching right now on the Youtube. I have Venus since I found her at a Target new long ago, but didn't know about this show.

[Redeemer]

I always assumed they were blood brothers, even if in every version of TMNT they didnt make it clear.

Yeah I always thought of them as blood brothers. In next mutation when they said they werent it kind of dissapointed me

[Jester]

The Next Mutation made clear early on that the turtles were not blood relatives so they could chat up Venus as much as they wanted to.

Whether the boys treated each other and Venus as siblings depended on the episode.
_WIUxRf-gtI

[Galactus]

^^^

Yes, I remember that. Just that the second episode aside it fluctuated whether the turtles treated each other as adoptive brothers or friends like in the OT.

Thinking back the Next Mutation was a huge waste. Obviously it was never going to work as a serious action show but with better designs and a teensy bit more money spent and more care with the writing it could have been entertaining in the way the live action version of The Tick was.

[CyberCubed]

the OT.

Thinking back the Next Mutation was a huge waste. Obviously it was never going to work as a serious action show but with better designs and a teensy bit more money spent and more care with the writing it could have been entertaining in the way the live action version of The Tick was.

I think the show should have just been a continuation of the movies. Probably would have been better received if there was no Venus and more TMNT villains.

Why didn't they use Rat King or Leatherhead? Its like all their villains were just made up and could have been from any other TV series.

[Jester]

True. Not sure why the OT had them as "friends" and why it took years to notice. I think the movie was what made me assume they were brothers, no matter how adoptive.

[Noah13]

Was Kevin Eastman involved in creating Venus? (I know Peter Laird would have nothing to do with it due to his well documented hatred of her)

[Jester]

At the time I think they both were involved with her creation, Laird was just not that keen on the idea.

[Falconhood]

here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRe6POln71U
Not sure why some fans hate Venus, so far I like her.

[Noah13]

At the time I think they both were involved with her creation, Laird was just not that keen on the idea.

Then I wonder if we will see her again in the near future (ie IDW Comic)

[pannoni1]

Another thing that's gimmicky were those weird transitions that they used, such as a pair of sais or fire (oh no, the Leonardo is burning!) in between scenes. It's definitely a "not for everyone" show, and still disappointing that it didn't receive a proper finale.

[Jester]

Another thing that's gimmicky were those weird transitions that they used, such as a pair of sais or fire (oh no, the Leonardo is burning!) in between scenes. It's definitely a "not for everyone" show, and still disappointing that it didn't receive a proper finale.
Someone just watched James Rolfe's TMNT Live Action Left-Overs video.

[gobo]

Who was it that used to say "A turtle with boobs... how hot is that??"? Was it Jaleel White?

[Jester]

Yeah that's the kid... :P

[Stingray69]

True. Not sure why the OT had them as "friends" and why it took years to notice. I think the movie was what made me assume they were brothers, no matter how adoptive.

Did they actually say that in the ot? I always thought they thought of each other as brothers in the ot.

[Jester]

Seldom do they ever call each other "brothers" more often "friends", or Splinter will call them "students" rather than "sons."

I think I can count on 1 hand the number of times they refereed to each other in familial terms. Heck, in the episodes when they revert to kids they call Splinter "Uncle."

[Redeemer]

Seldom do they ever call each other "brothers" more often "friends", or Splinter will call them "students" rather than "sons."

I think I can count on 1 hand the number of times they refereed to each other in familial terms. Heck, in the episodes when they revert to kids they call Splinter "Uncle."

Yeah this is one reason I appreciated the 2k3 series so much more. This is one of the aspects that I think the 2k3 series blows the OT out of the water

[Stingray69]

Seldom do they ever call each other "brothers" more often "friends", or Splinter will call them "students" rather than "sons."

I think I can count on 1 hand the number of times they refereed to each other in familial terms. Heck, in the episodes when they revert to kids they call Splinter "Uncle."

O well I'll still think of them as brothers And thats all that matters to me.

[Redeemer]

Then I wonder if we will see her again in the near future (ie IDW Comic)

I hope not. I am sorry I jst dont know if a good female turtle can be pulled off

[ToTheNines]

I hope not. I am sorry I jst dont know if a good female turtle can be pulled off

I think she'd be cool as a villain. More of a one dimensional minion though, not a "big bad".

[Noah13]

I hope not. I am sorry I jst dont know if a good female turtle can be pulled off

TMNT have been reinvented many times along with their supporting cast (Leatherhead, Shredder, Karai, etc).

Venus on the other hand has only seen one form and thats how we know her. I personally don't like Venus, however I like seeing characters reinvented and shown in a different perspective

[herugrim]

Funny, for all the people that Hate the next mutation, I've never heard a single valid complaint.

People don't like it because Peter Laird don't like it.

People don't like it because people don't like the idea of a female turtle.

The failure of logic is staggering. I'll have to put in on my 'to watch' list.

[ToTheNines]

Wow dude, way to ignore what most people are saying.

I don't hate it, but it's a garbage show. The voice acting is questionable, the animatronics are poor, the writing is not creative or very intelligent, the use (and abuse) of stock footage is embarrassing, the sound effects are moronic and there is a reptile with teets. Covered by plastron, but they're still teets.

[Redeemer]

Wow dude, way to ignore what most people are saying.

I don't hate it, but it's a garbage show. The voice acting is questionable, the animatronics are poor, the writing is not creative or very intelligent, the use (and abuse) of stock footage is embarrassing, the sound effects are moronic and there is a reptile with teets. Covered by plastron, but they're still teets.

Be easy on the noob, he is probably not talking about people here necessarily, but from other opinions, not on this board.

But I gotta say a Female turtle jst looks awful IMO, I have never seen a Venus Design that I can say I like, I think is bc how ridiculous boobs under plastron looks.

[gobo]

Real female mutant turtles don't have boobs. Fact.

[Falconhood]

Real female mutant turtles don't have boobs. Fact.
real??? female MUTANT turtles do.
Real female turtles do not, but since they are humanoid, they have humanoid features.
Turtles also don't have thumbs. Do turtles have teeth?

[Jester]

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...
_WIUxRf-gtI
Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

[FearlessLeader]

Funny, for all the people that Hate the next mutation, I've never heard a single valid complaint.

People don't like it because Peter Laird don't like it.

People don't like it because people don't like the idea of a female turtle.

The failure of logic is staggering. I'll have to put in on my 'to watch' list.

:trolleye::trolleye::trolleye::trolleye::trolleye:

I dislike this show because personally I thought Leonardo was pretty out of character from what little of the series I watched and that made me unable to enjoy it.

Also everything Jester stated.

[gobo]

:trolleye::trolleye::trolleye::trolleye::trolleye:
Is that Mirage Leo, Don, Mike, Raph... and Venus? :o

[rufus]

I tried to watch the VHS release. My VCR kept rejecting it. Not even tmnt 3 gets rejected by my tv.:-?

[Redeemer]

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...
_WIUxRf-gtI
Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

Wow I always wanted to try and watch next mutation , but seeing that video make me cringe so badly......:(

[ZariusTwo]

I'll have to put in on my 'to watch' list.

Whitney Houston had it on her watch list too.

[Candy Kappa]

real??? female MUTANT turtles do.
Real female turtles do not, but since they are humanoid, they have humanoid features.
Turtles also don't have thumbs. Do turtles have teeth?

way to over react on a joke :P

besides, shell boobs do look idiotic and silly.

No matter how sexy fan-fic artists make their DD's fem-turtles look:lol:

[Panda Khan]

I might watch it, again. It's been years since I've seen it. From what I can remember I thought Shredder was weak, didn't like the idea of Venus, and the whole crossover with Power Rangers...although that might have been a Power Rangers episode instead of Next Mutation. Things change over time with me. I remember hating TMNT III but I watched it when it was released on Blu Ray and I found it tolerable.

[Falconhood]

way to over react on a joke :P

besides, shell boobs do look idiotic and silly.

No matter how sexy fan-fic artists make their DD's fem-turtles look:lol:
oh, i couldn't hear it in your inflection of voice. I actually deal with people that say things and ...you wouldn't believe how bad and off they are, but you have to think "Are they joking???"
your's didn't sound like a joke. There is hate for Venus, and I didn't know why, until the boob statements. I personally like boobs, just not on me.
So, seriously, why is there so much hate for Venus?

[Jester]

So, seriously, why is there so much hate for Venus?
Because she's the poster child for an in-continuity Mary-Sue. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mary-Sue)

[Ninja Tiptup]

Next Mutation is just too ridiculous even for Ninja Turtles standards. The SFX and laughable villains make even some of the comic relief villains in the OT seem like a threat by comparison.

It really doesn't help that very few of the villains in Next Mutation were memorable as the majority of them were simply too bland. I get a certain level of amusement from seeing Scott McNeil as Bonesteel. It's a novelty to see the a well known voice actor such as himself in a live-action role. But the Dragons and the Gorillia Gangster, the mad scientist and whoever else just lack that entertainment value villains in the OT had in spades. To add insult to injury they almost immediately do away with The Shredder and in and as Jester pointed out his representation was truly awful as was the was the use of Shinobi powers to defeat him.

Oh that's another thing, "I'm not a ninja I am a shinobi" uh... a shinobi is a ninja right? I could nitpick the show for pages but that's one thing thing that stuck out.

It was overall a rather disappointing follow-up to the the cartoons and movies at the time, stinking of unnecessary affirmative action (which was counter-productive since they didn't have April) and poorly representing Ninja Turtles as a whole. It's not the worst TMNT production by any means but it sure wasn't a good series.

[lizard6king6]

[It was overall a rather disappointing follow-up to the the cartoons and movies at the time, stinking of unnecessary affirmative action (which was counter-productive since they didn't have April) and poorly representing Ninja Turtles as a whole. It's not the worst TMNT production by any means but it sure wasn't a good series.[/QUOTE]

Well said. I tried watching on netflix and just could not.

[herugrim]

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...
_WIUxRf-gtI
Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

1. In the original toon he was beaten by pizza, among more ridiculous things. Or perhaps I should bring up Coming out of their Shells to mention a Shredder who is truly aweful.
2. A personal Nit Pick. You could say much the same about the Adam West Batman and that was always one of my favorite shows.
3. Because Turtles are always cast all pro with established stars...
4. I'll give you that. clip shows always suck.
5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

Aside from the clip shows, you haven't presented a single fact. Maybe I'm just more open minded then most people.

[Powder]

You are 100% troll.

[ToTheNines]

1. In the original toon he was beaten by pizza, among more ridiculous things. Or perhaps I should bring up Coming out of their Shells to mention a Shredder who is truly aweful.
2. A personal Nit Pick. You could say much the same about the Adam West Batman and that was always one of my favorite shows.
3. Because Turtles are always cast all pro with established stars...
4. I'll give you that. clip shows always suck.
5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

Aside from the clip shows, you haven't presented a single fact. Maybe I'm just more open minded then most people.

I haven't cringed this hard at a post in a long time.

[Jester]

1. In the original toon he was beaten by pizza, among more ridiculous things. Or perhaps I should bring up Coming out of their Shells to mention a Shredder who is truly aweful.
The "new kid" came in and took out the established villain of the franchise. It was the height of, "Look, isn't she the best!" Heck, she strings all 4 turtles up by their ankles in seconds. Isn't that awesome! Mary-Sue through and through.
2. A personal Nit Pick. You could say much the same about the Adam West Batman and that was always one of my favorite shows.
You realize Batman was a campy show right? And that the onamonapias and the spinning Bat logo fit the tone of that show. Sure NM was a very light show, but the Three Stooges sound effects were ridiculous.
3. Because Turtles are always cast all pro with established stars...
No, you're right, but they are at least COMPETENT actors.
4. I'll give you that. clip shows always suck.
Huzza, common ground.
5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.
Family is a huge HUGE aspect of what I love about the Turtles. The first movie reeks of family vs. "the gang" sentiment. Splinter's dialogue is touching and wise. And this scene takes that aspect of the franchise and just craps all over it in 5 seconds. All so Leo can mack the new, totally awesome, Mary-Sue character. "We're just mutant boy and mutant girl." Come on.
Aside from the clip shows, you haven't presented a single fact. Maybe I'm just more open minded then most people.
True, it's all my opinion. Maybe I'm just more discerning than some people.

[FearlessLeader]

5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

You not understanding how much of the Turtles franchise is about family devalues any opinion to me that you have on this matter.

Feel free to thoroughly enjoy your sub-par show! :tgrin:

[sdp]

Venus is a scapegoat for TNM, I'm convinced most people have only watched East meets West since outside those episodes Venus is mostly a character that doesn't get much focus and doesn't steal much of the spotlight. Her Shinobi powers are almost never used outside their introduction. She isn't shoved down our throats and basically there is zero romance through out the whole show.

Sound effects and dialog and making villains too goofy is the real problem the show has but it's nowhere near the mess people make it out to be.

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...
Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

1. He makes a neat comeback, plus this isn't that much worse from the way he is dispatched in a lot of the OT, or the lackluster endings of the movies.

2. Yes, this absolutely is the worst thing about TNM.

3. The cast isn't that bad, the dialog on the other hand.

4. Both clipshows aren't actually that bad and feature enough original footage, the Raph/Leo fighting one is interesting and the Venus one serves as a tribute.

5. This I find a petty complain, I refues to believe the turtles are brothers in any incarnation. Plus people take that one scene and blow it out of proportion like the whole show dealt with the turtles having a boner for Venus, outside of the episode she was introduced where the turtles go gaga over her and that scene, no romance is ever hinted at during the show.

[FearlessLeader]

5. This I find a petty complain, I refues to believe the turtles are brothers in any incarnation. Plus people take that one scene and blow it out of proportion like the whole show dealt with the turtles having a boner for Venus, outside of the episode she was introduced where the turtles go gaga over her and that scene, no romance is ever hinted at during the show.

I don't quiet understand how this complaint is petty? I've never considered the guys blood brothers and obviously Splinter is not their blood father, but to me family is the core of the Turtles story. It's what gives it so much heart and that includes April and Casey and their bonds with the Turtles too.

Even if they don't call one another family in the OT they all care about one another and take care of each other. To me it was just the perfect example of how poorly written and how misunderstood the characterizations are for this show.

[sdp]

Because it's irrelevant to the show, if the turtles were hitting on Venus the whole time then it'd make sense but it doesn't matter. The "family" aspect is still there in the sense that they care for one another as shown in a few episodes, especially the two clip shows. This is as much "friendship/family" that was shown in the OT. They were still united as if they were a family and that is what counts, not if they're actually related to each other.

I can easily find 26 episodes that are worse than any given TNM episode in the OT and from 2k3 easily at least 13 episodes that are worse.

[John Pannozzi]

VHS ones? We talking about the "movie" version of East Meets West?
http://www.cheer.se/ninjaturtles/images/dvdvhs/vhs1.jpg
It's not THAT bad. I have a copy I was bought as a gift by my parents when it was new. I've watched it a few times, has things cut from the TV airings added back in.

Any chance of giving us a breakdown of the differences, pretty pretty please? You can use the episodic versions on Netflix as a comparison.

[Zachatello00]

There's a whole story arc about Leo trying to break through some cinder blocks with his head that's wholly edited out of the VHS release. It adds some context to Donatello calling him "Bricks for Brains" when he shows off his "Turtlefied eye in the sky"....

that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

[Jester]

Any chance of giving us a breakdown of the differences, pretty pretty please? You can use the episodic versions on Netflix as a comparison.
Don't have Netflix...

[John Pannozzi]

Don't have Netflix...
I'm almost positive the episodes are on Youtube, so could you please check them out there?

[zkarlette]

I found next mutation on Netflix and decided to watch it since I've never seen an ep and really..out of curiosity given the bad rap it has.
So far I agree of most of what it's said here,it seems like it was Definitely meant for little kids or something..as cringe worthy as it is sometimes ,I think I'm going to try and watch the whole thing at least for TMNT educational purposes .

[TheCanadiandrome]

well with the announcement of the series finally getting a dvd release in NA i'm glad it's not on Netflix here

[Nintendophile]

Personally, the biggest problem I had with the series was the incessant cartoon sound effects. BAD cartoon sound effects. If there was a way to edit them out, it would make the show at least 20% more watchable.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've got the same complaints about the show everyone else has; the poor voice acting, uninspired dialog, introduction of Venus, et al. But it's the insipid, seemingly unending sound effects that really make it difficult for me to watch.

And before the Troll decides to point out that it's "just my personal taste/opinion"; YES, it is my personal taste and opinion. There's no hard facts about taste. I'm sure there's some people out there who absolutely LOVE "Next Mutation" for exactly what it is. (They're entitled to their opinion.) Personally, I'm not one of them. (I'm entitled to my opinion, too.)

[zkarlette]

Those new bandanas they wear look rather off, I wish they had the regular ones..

[gobo]

And before the Troll decides to point out that it's "just my personal taste/opinion"
Yeah, well, that's just your-- waitaminute. :embarass:

[zkarlette]

I'm still in the process of watching this eps on Netflix ,I can't stop I don't know why , I won't get into that..but I'm noticing something that really bugs me among everything else..

What's with all the vehicle close ups ..and why do they use the same ones on every ep..:x

[CyberCubed]

They re-used the same footage almost every time the Turtles got in the truck or Raph on his motorcycle...obviously it was done for costs.

[Stingray69]

Yea I heard it was crazy expensive to make.

[sdp]

They re-used the same footage almost every time the Turtles got in the truck or Raph on his motorcycle...obviously it was done for costs.

IIRC the footage from Raph on his bike and the turtle truck was different every once in a while.

[I'm-a-charging my laser]

This aired when I was younger and something about it draws me back to it, even if the dialogue, acting and production values do make me cringe. Watch it on youtube. Amazon might still sell it, if you really want a copy for keeping.

[zkarlette]

I don't particularly think I would want to keep it ..but I have to say I really like the convenience of having it on Netflix I wish that soon they would incorporate the other versions of the show and the movies,it seems rather odd that they only stream the show that in my mind would be the least watched.

[Stingray69]

Those new bandanas they wear look rather off, I wish they had the regular ones..

I never do like it when they have full head bandanas on.

I don't particularly think I would want to keep it ..but I have to say I really like the convenience of having it on Netflix I wish that soon they would incorporate the other versions of the show and the movies,it seems rather odd that they only stream the show that in my mind would be the least watched.

It was probably the cheapest one to get the rights to.

[zkarlette]

I never do like it when they have full head bandanas on.



It was probably the cheapest one to get the rights to.

You are soo right ! Note:They should have used the sound effects money for something else..like a descent splinter costume or .. Ok I could go on and on...

I don't know if there was a lack of set money but in other series they all had rooms and in this one ,they all seem to sleep on a couch.

Going on ep 16 so far .. At this point bone steel is becoming somewhat amusing ..I must be dehydrated..

[CyberCubed]

What I don't understand is why they even greenlit the show? By 1996 Turtlemania was completely dead and the original cartoon ended.

Wouldn't that have clued them in that starting another Turtle series right after was doomed to fail by the start?

[Candy Kappa]

IIRC the footage from Raph on his bike and the turtle truck was different every once in a while.

I think they had 2 or 3 different stock footage for the vehicle scene. In one of the episodes, the name escapes me, its almost a year since I saw the series, one of the turtles are not on the car ride, but are featured in the stock footage :P

Maybe the episode when Don is captured by Quease

[CyberCubed]

So is the second set still coming in December?

[DF619]

So is the second set still coming in December?

BestBuy.com and Amazon.com have preorder pages up for the second volume.

[TheCanadiandrome]

i've still yet to see the first volume any where around me. so might have to cave and get em both from Amazon

[shinefra]

This is the only TMNT related thing that I will never buy....NEVER!! :tmad:

[LeoNerdo]

I've got the first volume but..... I haven't opened it. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Admittedly I only really liked the first 2 episodes of Next Mutation, the rest of the episodes range from Meh to bad.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Still though being that for some reason or another I missed it in its run, I must own these

[koenne]

The only thing I like about NM are the 1st line action figures..
I don't like the series at all , think they suck really bad.
Cowabunga!

[Cheesebrush]

For anyone in the UK, I've just noticed that this series is available to watch on Lovefilm's online streaming service. As streaming is included in my discs-by-post rental package, I might give it a go tonight as I've never seen it before.

[Guitar_Raph]

Why this series is so cool?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/48285baf_zpsc1f4e861.jpg
Playing as a band in the music video promo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/Raphdrivingtotherescue.jpg
Raph on motorcycle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/PCenter/Ninja%20Turtles%20The%20Next%20Mutation/Mikeyflexing.jpg
Mikey pumpin out!

If anyone has the Volume 2 dvd & is able to make screencaps, please make some of Mikey playung the drums.

[ObiWanFan4life]

God i HATED this show

[gobo]

God i HATED this show
Me too, but let's not be buzzkills for the few who don't.

[DVD]

I found both volumes on Amazon UK. And the UK cut of the Forever movie.
Ordered.
I watched the East meets West, but it was so cut down, it was a complete mess. Ran for about 90 minutes from 125 mins worth of episodes.

I want to give the show a chance, and, it is something that I haven't seen before.

[Cheesebrush]

Well that was quite possibly the most painful 20 minutes of television I've ever seen. I reckon I've got a sock puppet more convincing than Splinter.
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh and will give the 2nd episode a go, just in case it improves (please tell me it can't get any worse).

[DVD]

Ah, it doesn't Im afraid.
I watched ep 1 and ep 2 a while ago, online. I couldn't bear to watch any more.

It's the completist in me that is rocking me to get this series.

It is possible, tho unlikely, that one episodes may be ok. It did run for 26 episodes. There must be a good one in there!

[Cheesebrush]

I just made it through episode 2. Maybe it was because I was watching on my PC whilst doing something else rather than giving it my full attention on the TV, but it seemed to be a minor improvement.

[Nameless]

I just made it through episode 2. Maybe it was because I was watching on my PC whilst doing something else rather than giving it my full attention on the TV, but it seemed to be a minor improvement.

That's how I watched the show and I really didn't find it AS horrible as people make it out to be. That said its not as great as I could have / should have been.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

That's how I watched the show and I really didn't find it AS horrible as people make it out to be. That said its not as great as I could have / should have been.

this is how i feel about it, sure its not perfect but i think a lot of people hate it for the sake of hating it

[Donatello19]

The only thing I remember about the next mutation was getting a video called East Meets West when I was younger, and thinking that it was a 4th movie. Speaking of a 4th movie, did you guys know that "The Next Mutation" was actually going to BE a 4th movie, but the same title was used for a series instead?

[DVD]

I will watch on the laptop, or iPhone if it helps!!
I'm sure it isn't all that bad.. It can't be.
It's just fun to laugh at something with a bad rep with no evidence!

To be honest, I never watched Plan9 From Outer Space until this year, and I thought it was great fun.

[ObiWanFan4life]

this is how i feel about it, sure its not perfect but i think a lot of people hate it for the sake of hating it

No, people hate it because it's:
1. Poorly scripted
2. Poorly acted
3. Poorly edited
4.Poorly choreographed
5. Poorly conceptualized
6. Poorly executed
See where i'm getting here.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

No, people hate it because it's:
1. Poorly scripted
2. Poorly acted
3. Poorly edited
4.Poorly choreographed
5. Poorly conceptualized
6. Poorly executed
See where i'm getting here.

first off , once again most of those are opinion based not fact, poorly scripted fine yea ill give you that one

acting i disagree with, take a look at shows of the time 1997, Power Rangers is pretty much the exact same way and remember this was a show made by the same people, choreography, id like to see you move around naturally in a foam rubber suit for hours on end and a 30 pound fiber glass shell on your back,

AND if you are old enough and take into account that the original movie was deemed to violent, that slapstick fight style in this was probably done for a time when parents where still iffy on tv violence

concepts are in the eye of the beholder, its obvious you hate, what so wrong about someone else liking them, i liked the concepts and so do many people, aside from the no brothers comment its an ok show in my book

poorly executed again not really, it did what it wanted to do put turtles on tv at the time and add a new character, it sold toys and was on every week till its end and it gave people a live action tv show which in itself was cool

i am going to ignore editing since i assume you don't know much about video editing and just trying to get under my shell ( 4 year tv editing and drecting degree) but aside from some strange graphic transitions there is 0 things wrong with the editing and pacing of each episode


"See where i'm getting here."..don't pass your opinions as fact off to me kid

[ObiWanFan4life]

No, kids show or not it's still uncalled for to dumb it down the action for parents who cant handle it

[ObiWanFan4life]

Ok (brethes heavily) im sorry it's just that i have very BAD memories of this show, but i'm calm now and i'm willing to be diplomatic about this. Show had some decent ideas, but it ceases to matter because they are all executed so poorly and the people at fox made terrible decisions. The costumes are unimpressive to say the least, the fight scenes are hindered by the show's low budget. The dialoge is ATTROCIOUS, the villains are cheap knockoffs,the voice dubbing is lazy, & the whole feels like what is REALLY is....a cheap carbon copy of power ranger. (ironic scince saban made both shows.)

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I didn't like; Mary-sue Venus, easily trashed shredder, goofy amitronics and sound effects.

I did like; Diffrent Outfits for the turtles (c'mon, a little change now and then can't hurt XD), The turtle's vechile and Raph's bike, and the villians (Bonesteel, Vam-mi, Silver the Yeti ganster, and my favorite- Dragon Lord)

[gobo]

Bonesteel was an interesting character. Avoid Silver though. P.S. - I think Bonesteel was inspiration for a character in the 2K3 ep, "Hunted", where the Aussie hunter was after Leatherhead and The Turtles.

[Luigiperps]

I noticed in sewer crash, Donnie was never fixed, does that mean when ever someone says "banana" he goes all evil, or was that fixed off screen.