Could the Turtles take down Batman?

[CyberCubed]

http://www.megatokyo.com/extra/batmanVsTmnt.jpg

All 4 Turtles against Batman, could they do it?

[oldmanwinters]

Not a chance.

[Andrew NDB]

No. No, they could not.

[Jester]

Haven't we done this before?
:roll:

[CyberCubed]

No. No, they could not.

4 highly trained ninja's vs. 1 highly trained ninja.

[oldmanwinters]

I refer to the old joke about "how do you kill a vampire?"

The true answer is not "garlic," "stake to the heart," or anything elaborate like that.

The true answer is "any freakin' way you want, because vampires aren't real."

The same logic could be applied to this pointless question.

That said, characters of fiction evolve in the popular consciousness due to established "rules" that their creators and fans have contributed to their mythos.

The Batman myth currently reigns supreme over all other super-heroes and comic book characters.

Regardless of the combined "skill" of our four favorite mutant terrapins, Batman will always continue to win this hypothetical question because he can say one thing no other character of fiction can say...

"I'm Batman."

[TurtleTitan97]

I would have to go with Batman since he has had much more years of training than the turtles.

[Foot Soldier Clang]

I think I see Godzilla in that picture... I'm pretty sure Godzilla would win this fight.

[Logan]

The Batman myth currently reigns supreme over all other super-heroes and comic book characters.

Regardless of the combined "skill" of our four favorite mutant terrapins, Batman will always continue to win this hypothetical question because he can say one thing no other character of fiction can say...

"I'm Batman."

In a nutshell, quite true. Batman can beat anybody. Anybody. I remember reading the JLA guide book and reading a caption of how Batman discovered all the weaknesses of his JLA mates in case he had to take them out. He's nothing if not prepared for the worst.

[Jester]

I think I see Godzilla in that picture... I'm pretty sure Godzilla would win this fight.

Oh, is that what that is... :P

In a nutshell, quite true. Batman can beat anybody. Anybody. I remember reading the JLA guide book and reading a caption of how Batman discovered all the weaknesses of his JLA mates in case he had to take them out. He's nothing if not prepared for the worst.
And we call that, "Paranoia."

[Kendamu]

Paranoia isn't so bad when it makes you properly prepared to be zapped back in time while simultaneously being killed in the present so that you can fight your way back to the present just in time for a relaunch.

[Andrew NDB]

4 highly trained ninja's vs. 1 highly trained ninja.

But he's a genius tactician and genius... well, everything. He plans for every possible outcome of just about anything.

And the four Turtles have taken on and engaged dozens upon dozens of Foot soldiers, great... but Batman has taken on the entire League of Assassins' worth of ninjas single-handedly and still come out on top.

And he's beaten Superman. And Darkseid.

[Redeemer]

Im going with TMNT!!!!! U know what I think Bat girl, NightWing, and Robin be thrown into the mix for a even match up!

[Andrew NDB]

Im going with TMNT!!!!! U know what I think Bat girl, NightWing, and Robin be thrown into the mix for a even match up!

That would be extreme overkill... on the Turtles.

[Jester]

That would be extreme overkill... on the Turtles.
Indeed. As it's been said, Batman has plans to take out THE ENTIRE JUSTICE LEAGUE! I'm sure 4 teenage ninjas would be no sweat, for just Bruce.

[Herald7]

Maybe if Donatello became the Dark Turtle again! ;)

Btw I love Raphael's reaction to Batman in that picture, lol. :lol:

[Xav]

Yeah but what version of Batman and the Turtles?

[CyberCubed]

Yeah but what version of Batman and the Turtles?

You have to make it fair.

60's Batman Vs. 80's Fred Wolf Turtles

B:TAS Batman Vs. 4kids Turtles

1989 Tim Burton Batman Vs. Movie 1 Turtles

DC comics Batman Vs. Mirage Turtles

[Jester]

You have to make it fair.

60's Batman Vs. 80's Fred Wolf Turtles

B:TAS Batman Vs. 4kids Turtles

1989 Tim Burton Batman Vs. Movie 1 Turtles

DC comics Batman Vs. Mirage Turtles
Batman .

[Andrew NDB]

You have to make it fair.

60's Batman Vs. 80's Fred Wolf Turtles

B:TAS Batman Vs. 4kids Turtles

1989 Tim Burton Batman Vs. Movie 1 Turtles

DC comics Batman Vs. Mirage Turtles

Those are all fair examples. Sadly (for the Turtles), I believe Batman would win in all of those pairups.

[Slap-Happy]

Remember that Batman trained for years and years under the best teachers and experts in the world, and that the turtles were trained by a rat who remembers the moves he saw his one master do.

[CyberCubed]

Those are all fair examples. Sadly (for the Turtles), I believe Batman would win in all of those pairups.

For some reason, I suddenly have the urge to really see 60's Batman in a fight with the Fred Wolf Turtles.

It would be hilarious.

[Jester]

Those are all fair examples. Sadly (for the Turtles), I believe Batman would win in all of those pairups.
Well... the FW Turtles might be able to defeat Batman West... maybe.

[Slap-Happy]

Well... the FW Turtles might be able to defeat Batman West... maybe.
I think that's the one that they could probably win.

[CyberCubed]

I think that's the one that they could probably win.

Donatello would likely zap Batman into another dimension with his portable portal.

[Powder]

I cant believe this is actually a thread, haha.
It brings to mind this Mitcheroney art. The faint pencil text reads "Yes, it's true! Bigger than Batman!".

http://i43.tinypic.com/2quky7a.jpg

[Herald7]

Donatello would likely zap Batman into another dimension with his portable portal.

I agree, adios Batman, you're no match for Donatello's techno babble! :tsmile:

[Jester]

Batman plans for all contingencies, even portable portals.

[Luzmagica]

But he's a genius tactician and genius... well, everything. He plans for every possible outcome of just about anything.

....

For a moment I believed you were talking about Leonardo!!! :lol: :twink:

Anyway Im going to vote for my TMNT team....just because a terrapin has nothing to fear from a bat..... :trazz::trazz::trazz: :P

[Andrew NDB]

Donatello would likely zap Batman into another dimension with his portable portal.

Like a Phantom Zone Generator that Batman owns? Oh, 60s TV show Batman, right... same as the Fred Wolf series had weird contrivances for Donatello and the others to produce, 60s TV show Batman would pull all sorts of bizarre contraptions from his belt or otherwise.

k_B_n-Rbros

There's no reason to believe 60s TV show Batman wouldn't have some kind of retarded "Mutant Turtle Repellent" or just happen to have some kind of random retromutagen to revert them to normal turtles.

For a moment I believed you were talking about Leonardo!!! :lol: :twink:

Anyway Im going to vote for my TMNT team....just because a terrapin has nothing to fear from a bat..... :trazz::trazz::trazz: :P

Whatever that means.

[Jester]

Whatever that means.
I think it means on the food chain, Turtle > Bat. *shrugs*

[Luzmagica]

Whatever that means.

I think it means on the food chain, Turtle > Bat. *shrugs*

Oops!! Nop...sorry for mislead!! :toops::toops::toops:

I mean...Leonardo is also a genius tactician and Don is a genius...As you said about Batman: " But he's a genius tactician and genius... well, everything. He plans for every possible outcome of just about anything."

So then .....Leo "Genius tactician" and Don "Genius" are similar to Batman...adding "Berseker Raph" and "Creative Michelangelo"...I think this team could take down Batman in a fight.

[Jester]

Leo and Don are nowhere near as intelligent or resourceful as Batman. Sorry to say, but true.

[Herald7]

Anyway Im going to vote for my TMNT team....just because a terrapin has nothing to fear from a bat..... :trazz::trazz::trazz: :P

Good point. ;)

[Luzmagica]

Leo and Don are nowhere near as intelligent or resourceful as Batman. Sorry to say, but true.

:o Well...We can not be agree in everything...! :lol: ! ;) I disagree....Also
....Of course I recognize that I can not compare the resources and the education of a millionaire with poor mutant survivors of sewers ... :)

Good point. ;)

Thanks!! :tgrin:

[Slap-Happy]

Leo and Don are nowhere near as intelligent or resourceful as Batman. Sorry to say, but true.
This.

Also, they're just teenagers. Batman (depending on what version) can be in his late twenties to his sixties and has a ton more experience.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm gonna use the same Bat-fan boys use and say. Batman is just a guy, no superpowers (which is udder bull but a different discussion) He isn't unbeatable.

In a situation where Batman don't have time to formulate a bullet proof plan, the turtles could take him out with team work.


Although Batmam does have the Mary-Sue factor as my girlfriend well put it when I asked her opinion.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Donatello would likely zap Batman into another dimension with his portable portal.

Or just from New York City back to Gotham City. But that's cheating, just like of Batman would call the other Justice League members.

[Ninja Tiptup]

I think the argument of "experience" is most acceptable.

With team work the turtles would have a fighting chance if Batman doesn't already have a plan. But Batman generally always has a plan.

I've gotta go with Batman. He's kind of like Bishop and we've never seen the turtles even 4 on 1 defeat Bishop in a fight.

I mean if Batman can use his wits to go toe to toe with super powered beings, taking out four decently skilled ninja at once probably wouldn't be difficult for him.

But... there have been some rather wimpy versions of Batman over the years (though mostly in the 60s and 70s). And those Batmen might lose to even the Fred Wolf TMNT much less the Archie, 2003 or Mirage TMNT.

[pannoni1]

Except that Batman Forever is NOT like TOS/B:TAS together, but sure would whip the Movie III turtles' ass. You have parallels with Batman and TMNT pretty well:

Batman= Leonardo
Robin= Donatello
Red Robin= Raphael
Nightwing= Michelangelo
Flamebird= April
Ace the Bat Hound= Casey Jones
Joker= Shredder
Riddler= Baxter
Poison Ivy= Karai
Mr. Freeze= Rocksteady
Harley Quinn= Bebop
Killer Croc= Leatherhead
Catwoman= April from "the Catwoman From Channel 6!"
Batwoman= Venus

[Jester]

*reads pannoni's list, get's to "Casey = Ace the Bat-Hound"*
No....just, No.

[Ninjinister]

The godd*mn Batman. No contest.

[Herald7]

Ultimately I think it would depend on who's show it was. In either case, the guest star would probably lose in the end. :lol:

[ABrown]

You have to make it fair.
60's Batman Vs. 80's Fred Wolf Turtles
B:TAS Batman Vs. 4kids Turtles
1989 Tim Burton Batman Vs. Movie 1 Turtles
DC comics Batman Vs. Mirage Turtles

I agree that it's definitely first movie Batman/Batman Returns vs first movie TMNT.
Batman Forever vs TMNT II
Batman And Robin vs TMNT III
I'm putting Adam West Batman and Robin vs Next Mutation turtles.
The DCAU Batman is going up against 2003 TMNT

I think I see Godzilla in that picture... I'm pretty sure Godzilla would win this fight.

Ha! What the shell is that? I didn't even notice that when I first saw the image. I'm gonna have to agree. Godzilla is gonna take this fight.

[Galactus]

Haven't we done this before?
:roll:

Many times.

I refer to the old joke about "how do you kill a vampire?"

The true answer is not "garlic," "stake to the heart," or anything elaborate like that.

The true answer is "any freakin' way you want, because vampires aren't real."

The same logic could be applied to this pointless question.

This.

Batman can beat anybody. Anybody. I remember reading the JLA guide book and reading a caption of how Batman discovered all the weaknesses of his JLA mates in case he had to take them out. He's nothing if not prepared for the worst.

Yet Batman can struggle against his own rogues gallery. Hell he's been shown struggling against normal street level villains.

Batman is only as smart and powerful as whichever writer at the time wants him to be. True a lot of writers like the whole Batgod concept and some lampoon it but any skilled writer could come up with an entertaining and believable scenario were the turtles could best him.

[shuriken]

Batman is only as smart and powerful as whichever writer at the time wants him to be. True a lot of writers like the whole Batgod concept and some lampoon it but any skilled writer could come up with an entertaining and believable scenario were the turtles could best him.
^^ I agree.
oh and this seems fun
60's Batman Vs. 80's Fred Wolf Turtles
60's Batman due to having Turtle repellant, or some sort of anit Mutagen. The Fred Wolf Turtle would kick his ass until he busts out with that, then they're screwed.

B:TAS Batman Vs. 4kids Turtles
Gonna have to go with Batman here too.

1989 Tim Burton Batman Vs. Movie 1 Turtles
I think the TMNT take this one. Since 89' Batman doesn't give a f**k about killing he'll probably take out 2-3 of the guys and then an enraged Leo decapitates him.


DC comics Batman Vs. Mirage Turtles
The Turtles would all be crippled within about 15 minutes

SOOOO Batman would win 3 out of 4 times. NOT including Batgirl, Robin, Azrael, Nightwing, Huntress or Alfred. If anyone were to help Batman in any of these incarnation the TMNT would be screwed, even if all of the TMNT allies (save for lord simultaneous and any of the Justice force) were to help

[Redeemer]

Indeed. As it's been said, Batman has plans to take out THE ENTIRE JUSTICE LEAGUE! I'm sure 4 teenage ninjas would be no sweat, for just Bruce.

Yeah, thats for them. I wonder if he has plan to take Four Mutant Ninja Turtles?????? Doubt it. He would get his Ass kicked if they met and then immediately fight

Remember that Batman trained for years and years under the best teachers and experts in the world, and that the turtles were trained by a rat who remembers the moves he saw his one master do.

Oh wow the turtles were trained by a Rat who jst happened to win the Battle Nexus, Best fight in all of the known universe.... Who were also trained by the Ninja Tribunal.

But he's a genius tactician and genius... well, everything. He plans for every possible outcome of just about anything.

And the four Turtles have taken on and engaged dozens upon dozens of Foot soldiers, great... but Batman has taken on the entire League of Assassins' worth of ninjas single-handedly and still come out on top.

And he's beaten Superman. And Darkseid.
Oh yeah I guess bringing an entire race of Triceritons to their Knees is nothing or the Foot is just a well.

Hey lets not forget that the turtles do have mystical powers and have turned into dragons. Or the fact that they took down a demon......
Yeah turtles dont stand a chance.... I think Leo or Mikey could beat Batman on there own. Leo is the most well rounded fighter. I think Mikey would jst piss him off and win (Who doesnt he piss off)
I think TMNT can Definately take on Batman and Nightwing, Batgirl, and robin.
Tmnt would win IMO cases can be made for both sides

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, thats for them. I wonder if he has plan to take Four Mutant Ninja Turtles?????? Doubt it. He would get his Ass kicked if they met and then immediately fight

Ppfft. Deathstroke kicked a Green Lantern's butt. The Turtles are easy.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Turtle Van against Batmobile

[Redeemer]

Turtle Van against Batmobile

This would be interesting:P

[ToTheNines]

You have to make it fair.

60's Batman Vs. 80's Fred Wolf Turtles

B:TAS Batman Vs. 4kids Turtles

1989 Tim Burton Batman Vs. Movie 1 Turtles

DC comics Batman Vs. Mirage Turtles

I'd go with 60's Batman vs. Next Mutation, and Fred Wolf Turtles vs. Brave and the Bold Batman. And Beware The Batman vs. Nicktoon Turtles for good measure.

I can't think of a single major superhero the turtles would beat though... because they're not superheroes.

[Herald7]

I can't think of a single major superhero the turtles would beat though... because they're not superheroes.

Frankly that's why I find the turtles refreshing. They're independent teenagers who don't have to belong to some grown up league to be powerful. I think they could take on any conventional super hero. ;)

[Xav]

I think they would fight for a little bit, and both realize that the're good guys.

[Herald7]

I think they would fight for a little bit, and both realize that the're good guys.

Good point, this isn't Freddy vs. Jason here, lol. :lol:

[Redeemer]

I can't think of a single major superhero the turtles would beat though... because they're not superheroes.

Neither is Batman

[Herald7]

Neither is Batman

Yeah doesn't superhero mean you have super powers, and not just a lot of money? ;)

[Hermano Dyvas]

Yeah, thats for them. I wonder if he has plan to take Four Mutant Ninja Turtles?????? Doubt it. He would get his Ass kicked if they met and then immediately fight

Dude, get real! The turtles don't even have superpowers. Batman really doesn't need "a plan" to take them down, he's always prepared for opponents like the turtles.

Batman wipes the floor with the turtles. I'm not even sure if they could beat nightwing!

[Herald7]

Dude, get real! The turtles don't even have superpowers.

Yeah but again neither does Batman.

[Candy Kappa]

Neither is Batman

He is a Superhero

[Hermano Dyvas]

Yeah but again neither does Batman.

Batman has a lot more resources then the turtles do and is trained in a lot more skills then they are.

Are there any members of deathbattle here? They should propose this fight. :)

[Herald7]

Batman has a lot more resources then the turtles do and is trained in a lot more skills then they are.

Technically Shredder has a lot more resources than the turtles do too and we've seen how that turned out. :lol:

[Hermano Dyvas]

Technically Shredder has a lot more resources than the turtles do too and we've seen how that turned out. :lol:

1) I've never seen shredder use a utility belt...
2) Shredder also isn't trained in as many skills as batman.

Honestly, what makes you think the TMNT have a chance against Batman? Where do they have an edge?

[Xav]

Yeah turtles dont stand a chance.... I think Leo or Mikey could beat Batman on there own. Leo is the most well rounded fighter. I think Mikey would jst piss him off and win (Who doesnt he piss off) Yeah but Mikey would probably try to ask Batman for an autograph or something.

[Hermano Dyvas]

I think Mikey would jst piss him off and win (Who doesnt he piss off)

Bruce isn't Raphael, he can keep his cool in a fight...
He fights the Joker who spills bad jokes all the time while murdering dozens of innocents, not really Mikey's style....

[Herald7]

Honestly, what makes you think the TMNT have a chance against Batman?

Because I'm their fan, not Batman's. ;)

[ToTheNines]

Neither is Batman

He's in the Justice League bro, he's a superhero.

[Herald7]

He's in the Justice League bro, he's a superhero.

I'm flashing back to that Tiny Toons episode where they rightly point out that Batman has no super powers. :lol:

And again, I'm glad the turtles are rebellious kids who don't have to be part of a league to be taken seriously. That's a lot more inspirational to me.

[gobo]

Could the Turtles take down Batman?
Shell yes. Four against one... No question.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think they would fight for a little bit, and both realize that the're good guys.

Except one of them is brainwashed.

[Redeemer]

Batman has a lot more resources then the turtles do and is trained in a lot more skills then they are.

Are there any members of deathbattle here? They should propose this fight. :)

Wow really I listed valid points and u jst repeat urself :lol:

Anyway u cant say he got better training.
Turtles were trained by a battleNexus champion, Ancient One, and Ninja tribunal

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Wow really I listed valid points and u jst repeat urself :lol:

Anyway u cant say he got better training.
Turtles were trained by a battleNexus champion, Ancient One, and Ninja tribunal

In the 2003 show, yes.

[Jester]

Batman traveled the globe, learning from masters of many disciplines. Batman has a keen mind and a highly trained body. The Turtles might get the drop on him, but I'm sure he'd let them take some shots, learn from them and turn it around and take them down.

As for the "Mikey pissed Raph off in the Battle Nexus, he'd piss Batman off too." argument, I give you this clip from Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker:
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I'll quote the relevant dialogue:
Terry: He's tough. Any suggestions, boss?
Bruce: Joker's vain and likes to talk. He'll try to distract you, but don't listen. Block it out and power on through!
so....This. Batman can block out the Joker's incessant prattle. Mikey doesn't stand a chance.

[Redeemer]

Jester now u metion it I would like to see Batman Beyond vs Leonardo
I think Leo might get his but whoop bc all of Terry's weapons, but it would still be a good match :P

[clanmalkav]

While I'd like to say the turtles....I think the first match would end with a draw. Then Bats would learn everything about the turtles and take them out. Seeing Splinter in his prime against Bats would be interesting.

[Jester]

Hamato Yoshi vs. Batman!

FIGHT!

[Samhain]

The Batman wins, hands down.

[Andrew NDB]

A better fight would be all the Bat-family aside from Batman vs. the TMNT.

For example, a matchup like this would interest me (and yes, I'm talking about the comics):

Leonardo vs. Nightwing/Dick Grayson (seems natural to me)
Raphael vs. Red Hood/Jason Todd (both hotheads, both great fighters)
Donatello vs. Red Robin/Tim Drake (both thinkers, analytical minds)
Michelangelo vs. Barbara Gordon/Batgirl (not sure who to throw at Mikey, honestly, but Barbara Gordon might be the closest fit skill level-wise)

I would throw Robin/Damian Wayne in there (he's actually a very, very skilled killer ninja himself and bio-engineered), but he would only really be interesting against Leo or Raphael and I'd rather see Dick and Jason in there. I would throw him against Michelangelo just because Michelangelo is the only one without a great matchup, but Michelangelo would get eviscerated by Damian.

[KROW]

Haven't we done this before?
:roll:

Ugh, THAT was a lot of fun, huh?

http://www.megatokyo.com/extra/batmanVsTmnt.jpg

Morla?

[gobo]

Batman doesn't stand a chance against... THE DARK TURTLE!!
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Omisgurl/DarkDon.jpg

[Herald7]

Batman doesn't stand a chance against... THE DARK TURTLE!!

"Better not dude, could be copyright infringement!" ;)

[FearlessLeader]

A
Leonardo vs. Nightwing/Dick Grayson (seems natural to me)


I don't feel I have enough Batman verse knowledge to add anything credible to this discussion but I have to say I would pay good money to see or read this fight.

Two of my favorite comic characters it would be awesome!

[Luzmagica]

I think they would fight for a little bit, and both realize that the're good guys.

Good point, this isn't Freddy vs. Jason here, lol. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol: LOL!!! All are good friends ...and all come together and eat a pizza!!! :twink: :lol:
Best solution to the cuestion for me!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Batman doesn't stand a chance against... THE DARK TURTLE!!
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Omisgurl/DarkDon.jpg

When Donatello was the Dark Turtle, he saw no problem with just killing off his enemies, so maybe.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Wow really I listed valid points and u jst repeat urself :lol:

No I didn't... read all my reactions before you say something like that please.

Fact is, when Batman is going to face folks like the X-men he will need preparation because he needs to learn about their superpowers and what would work against them.

You say he would need a plan to face the turtles also, while all they really have is ninja skills. Something which I'm sure Bats is always prepared for due to simple training.

Gosei Hattori has multiple expert fighting skills as well and the turtles recognise him as the best. Granted Hattori's skills go back further then Wayne's (as in centuries).


The only situation in which I would give the TMNT a fighting chance is when they surprise attack him in the sewers of New York, because it's their territory and it's unfamiliar ground to bats. But they'd have to make great use of their stealth abilities and it would not be a cakewalk!

[Zachatello00]

For some reason, I was thinking we were no longer allowed to have these types of discussions...

[Hermano Dyvas]

A better fight would be all the Bat-family aside from Batman vs. the TMNT.

For example, a matchup like this would interest me (and yes, I'm talking about the comics):

Leonardo vs. Nightwing/Dick Grayson

This may sound crazy but I think Nightwing has a shot fighting all 4 tmnt to be honest. It'd be hard but I think he could do it if motivated enough.

[Stingray69]

I think the turtles have one advantage on there side.

That in at least some forms they have no problem killing there foes. Where as batman never would.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think the turtles have one advantage on there side.

That in at least some forms they have no problem killing there foes. Where as batman never would.

Batman must have killed some at least? For TMNT, if depends of version, but it's mostly the Mirage TMNT who killed off people.

[Candy Kappa]

Batman must have killed some at least? .

Batman have killed.


Several times.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Batman have killed.


Several times.

Even beings from Earth? (I didn't watch-read much Batman)

[Candy Kappa]

Even beings from Earth? (I didn't watch-read much Batman)

yes, the whole "no kill rule" is a newer-ish thing

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

yes, the whole "no kill rule" is a newer-ish thing

OK. I just recall watching some 1970's Justice League cartoon in the early 1990's ("Super Friends").

[joe-eyeball]

Michelangelo vs. Barbara Gordon/Batgirl (not sure who to throw at Mikey, honestly, but Barbara Gordon might be the closest fit skill level-wise)

This part is freakin hilarious:lol:

[mysterycolor]

this thread made me want to watch "Stand by Me"- Vern- "You think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman?" - Teddy- "Boy, you don't know nothing. Mighty Mouse is a cartoon. Superman's a real guy. There's no way a cartoon could beat up a real guy."

[Dovahkiin]

Reading most of the posts; I have to ask are you guys even fans of TMNT or Batman? 'cause when someone mentions Batman your reasoning and logical sense is eliminated creating an undesirable bias aura. All bias statements should be ignored for their unprofessional attitude.

Each turtle can match Batman's skills and maybe go beyond it because their not human. The turtles have a high-density bone structure while Batman has a removable suit. The turtles have mutated strength while Batman has gadgets and the average male physique of 210LBs. A Snapping turtle can weigh up to 240LB and they are small compared to the turtles, so be logical and do the math of their actual weight. Each turtle can fight Batman but their strengths and weaknesses will be even; So the loser will be the one who makes the first mistake. Meaning the win chance for Batman fighting a single turtle will be 50/50 but if its him alone against four of them than the turtles will win because hes just one highly-trained fighter against four highly-trained fighters.

The only reason why most people say Batman is because he had the most character growth and better story to reveal great traits.

[Candy Kappa]

Reading most of the posts; I have to ask are you guys even fans of TMNT or Batman? 'cause when someone mentions Batman your reasoning and logical sense is eliminated creating an undesirable bias aura. All bias statements should be ignored for their unprofessional attitude.

Each turtle can match Batman's skills and maybe go beyond it because their not human. The turtles have a high-density bone structure while Batman has a removable suit. The turtles have mutated strength while Batman has gadgets and the average male physique of 210LBs. A Snapping turtle can weigh up to 240LB and they are small compared to the turtles, so be logical and do the math of their actual weight. Each turtle can fight Batman but their strengths and weaknesses will be even; So the loser will be the one who makes the first mistake. Meaning the win chance for Batman fighting a single turtle will be 50/50 but if its him alone against four of them than the turtles will win because hes just one highly-trained fighter against four highly-trained fighters.

The only reason why most people say Batman is because he had the most character growth and better story to reveal great traits.

Doesn't matter, Batman got the Mary Sue factor :P

[gobo]

Batman got the Mary Sue factor :P
O_O So, that's why I resent Batboy... Never bothered to question it. Thanks!

[Kendamu]

Reading most of the posts; I have to ask are you guys even fans of TMNT or Batman? 'cause when someone mentions Batman your reasoning and logical sense is eliminated creating an undesirable bias aura. All bias statements should be ignored for their unprofessional attitude.

Each turtle can match Batman's skills and maybe go beyond it because their not human. The turtles have a high-density bone structure while Batman has a removable suit. The turtles have mutated strength while Batman has gadgets and the average male physique of 210LBs. A Snapping turtle can weigh up to 240LB and they are small compared to the turtles, so be logical and do the math of their actual weight. Each turtle can fight Batman but their strengths and weaknesses will be even; So the loser will be the one who makes the first mistake. Meaning the win chance for Batman fighting a single turtle will be 50/50 but if its him alone against four of them than the turtles will win because hes just one highly-trained fighter against four highly-trained fighters.

The only reason why most people say Batman is because he had the most character growth and better story to reveal great traits.
"Average" physique? Now who's playing favorites?

[nintendo2600]

People seem to forget that in the original comic books batman had a GUN! Of course Batman is willing to kill if he thinks it's needed.

[ToTheNines]

All bias statements should be ignored for their unprofessional attitude.

We are very professional here at this strictly business TMNT fan forum.

People seem to forget that in the original comic books batman had a GUN! Of course Batman is willing to kill if he thinks it's needed.

That was in the 40's.. several reboots ago. Try again?

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't there a Batman story where he basically goes back to the beginning of the universe or something and battles the hands of fate or something like that?

[Nintendophile]

There are times when Batman has "lost" a fight, and had to make a tactical retreat, to further investigate the situation, formulate a plan, then come back and win; this is probably what would happen the first time he goes up against the Turtles. It's four against one, and they're all somewhat equally trained in fighting skills. So, Batman makes a tactical retreat, and the Turtles "win" the first encounter.

But, it's reasonable to assume that Batman would do something very Batman-esque before escaping, i.e. planting a Bat-tracking-device on one of the Turtles shells, or acquiring a blood/DNA sample from one of them during battle. He could then either track them back to their lair, and gain great tactical advantage from knowing where they live; or he could use a sample of their blood to develop a retro-mutagen that could turn them back to ordinary turtles.

At any rate, I'd say it's believable that the Turtles could "win" in a first-fight encounter, but Batman would do all the things that Batman does to make sure that he'd ultimately win the war. That's how Batman would take down Superman; he DEFINITELY wouldn't beat Supes in a first-fight encounter, but he'd make a tactical retreat, gain intel, formulate a plan, then come back completely prepared to win.

[Powder]

I cant believe this is actually a thread, haha.
It brings to mind this Mitcheroney art. The faint pencil text reads "Yes, it's true! Bigger than Batman!".

http://i43.tinypic.com/2quky7a.jpg

I still can't believe this is actually a thread, let alone one so active. Usually these kinda things are just bias arguments...

[Dovahkiin]

Doesn't matter, Batman got the Mary Sue factor :P

I just noticed that Batman is a mary sue, lol. Why didn't I think of this before.

--By average physique I mean the average fighter not civilian physique.

And it is possible for the turtles to survive gunshots becuase of their high-density bone structure. (For example, If someone were to shoot a bull in the head with a handgun the bull would be able to survive and thats just a normal animal.) The possibility for the turtles to survive common firearms is credible but powerful firearms would be a problem for them.

[Candy Kappa]

That was in the 40's.. several reboots ago. Try again?

people are picking up 60's TV Batman, but sure why golden age batman ain't valid.

Surprisingly he didn't use his gun that often when he did the kills back in the 40's.

And first movie batman...

[Avatar Yuffie]

I'm with Batman.

Sorry, Turtles.

[Mighty Bebop]

There are times when Batman has "lost" a fight, and had to make a tactical retreat, to further investigate the situation, formulate a plan, then come back and win; this is probably what would happen the first time he goes up against the Turtles. It's four against one, and they're all somewhat equally trained in fighting skills. So, Batman makes a tactical retreat, and the Turtles "win" the first encounter.

But, it's reasonable to assume that Batman would do something very Batman-esque before escaping, i.e. planting a Bat-tracking-device on one of the Turtles shells, or acquiring a blood/DNA sample from one of them during battle. He could then either track them back to their lair, and gain great tactical advantage from knowing where they live; or he could use a sample of their blood to develop a retro-mutagen that could turn them back to ordinary turtles.

At any rate, I'd say it's believable that the Turtles could "win" in a first-fight encounter, but Batman would do all the things that Batman does to make sure that he'd ultimately win the war. That's how Batman would take down Superman; he DEFINITELY wouldn't beat Supes in a first-fight encounter, but he'd make a tactical retreat, gain intel, formulate a plan, then come back completely prepared to win.

As insane as this argument is, this is probably the most logical scenario.

[Redeemer]

I still can't believe this is actually a thread, let alone one so active. Usually these kinda things are just bias arguments...

Really???? I dont understand why u cant believe it especially when we have cybercube :P

[Andrew NDB]

Batman killed AND used a gun in Final Crisis.

As he said, he made a "one in a lifetime exception" against Darkseid.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Reading most of the posts; I have to ask are you guys even fans of TMNT or Batman?

I'm a bigger fan of Batman then Superman but if Superman wouldn't hold back Batman is dust. He'd be dead before he could even open his lead kryptonite box. It really doesn't matter who's biggest fan you are.


Each turtle can match Batman's skills and maybe go beyond it because their not human.

...despite bats knowing plural arts including ninjitsu instead of just ninjitsu.
I don't even see how not being human gives the tmnt the advantage?

The turtles have a high-density bone structure while Batman has a removable suit.

The turtles' shells are probably tougher I'll give you that. But just for the record I'll say you forgot one important detail, a reinforced suit.

The turtles have mutated strength while Batman has gadgets and the average male physique of 210LBs.

Average male physique? This statement is pure bias, he's at te pinnacle of human physique, this is often clearly stated.

The turtles are mutants but I've never heard of mutated strength. I think you can compare their strength to the strength a human their size would be. They are in great shape obviously but besides Leo I don't think any of them are at the absolute top of their game.

The only reason why most people say Batman is because he had the most character growth and better story to reveal great traits.

Well that and he has often beaten tougher odds then the turtles ever faced.


Nintendophile's argument is probably the most sensible. I'll go with that.

[Boy Wonder]

The answer is Werewolf Queen! It's always Werewolf Queen! (bonus points for anyone who gets the reference)

But for serious; the correct answer is Batman.

[Xav]

You say he would need a plan to face the turtles also, while all they really have is ninja skills. Something which I'm sure Bats is always prepared for due to simple training. Yes but you forgot about Turtle Power!

[Jester]

And according to "The Gang's All Here" when Michelangelo turns into a human he looses his awesome "Turtle powers" so there's that proof that the Turtles are more than human...


Oye...that hurts.

[Stingray69]

Yep I sure dint know batman ever killed.

And can any one tell me what a mary sue is?

[Jester]

Not Batman, that's for sure.

But here. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary-sue)

[AcidBurn30]

i think Donatello could win this one.. They think a like when it comes to machines and gadget they come up with :).....hmm, it should be a tie.

[Samhain]

i think Donatello could win this one.. They think a like when it comes to machines and gadget they come up with :).....hmm, it should be a tie.

So, never mind all 4 turtles, you think Donny would beat Batman.... alone?

[Jester]

Of course. "Doing machines" trumps millions of dollars in crime fighting gear and years of honing his body into the perfect possible shape. It's simple logic...:roll:

[Samhain]

Of course. "Doing machines" trumps millions of dollars in crime fighting gear and years of honing his body into the perfect possible shape. It's simple logic...:roll:

I was just gonna say. The way he worded it was as if Leo, Mike and Raph would almost be overkill. Don's like, ''I got this one guys''.:roll:

[Jester]

Any one Turtle could take out Batman alone. I mean he's only human.

aYn0k8BRhW4@ the 3:30 mark
Or...you know...maybe not.

[Candy Kappa]

Batman is only human

But he still got:

Genius-Level Intellect.

Photographic Memory.

Within a period less then twenty years he trained and mastered most known martial arts
.
Within same period honed his body to near super-human.
Mastermind scientist.

A disguise master.

Only needs 15 minutes to come up with a plan to defeat anyone.

Extreme iron will, enough to get rid off drug addiction within a week spending solitary in the cave.

An unending bank account.

The ability to make everyone else around him dumber.

Adept in interrogation techniques.

Master acrobat.

Master of Stealth.

Expert marksman.

Expert Mechanic and Vehicular Driver.

Multi-lingual.

Escapologist.

Master Tactician and Strategist.

Worlds greatest Detective.

Studied Biology, Technology, Mathematics, Physics, Mythology, Geography, & History.

Gained degrees in Criminal Science, Forensics, Computer Science, Chemistry and Engineering. Biology, Physics, Advanced Chemistry, and Technology

Mastered Diverse Environmental Training, Security Systems, and illusion/sleight of hand.

Learned Forensic Sciences, Medical Sciences, Expanded Computer and Engineering Sciences. Advanced New Development in Forensic and Medical Science.

Ventriloquism.

Can fly planes and space ships.

And then theres all his toys and gadgets....

But I still think if they randomly met in an alley. Batman chasing a baddy and stumbles upon the turtles, and the turtles sees a dark clad guy with a cape. (Mandatory crossover fight ensues) I think the turtles would have the upper hand if they had blitzed him.

Batman would probably win in the end because... He's Batman, he have beaten up guys like Superman and Spawn, barely breaking a sweat, cause "I am Vengeance, I am the night. I. AM. BATMAN!"

[Hermano Dyvas]

The turtles are mutants but I've never heard of mutated strength. I think you can compare their strength to the strength a human their size would be. They are in great shape obviously but besides Leo I don't think any of them are at the absolute top of their game.


And according to "The Gang's All Here" when Michelangelo turns into a human he looses his awesome "Turtle powers" so there's that proof that the Turtles are more than human...


Oye...that hurts.

I can't believe you just countered my argument using that OT episode!

Alright yeah, that does hurt! :lol:

[Xav]

There are times when Batman has "lost" a fight, and had to make a tactical retreat, to further investigate the situation, formulate a plan, then come back and win; this is probably what would happen the first time he goes up against the Turtles. It's four against one, and they're all somewhat equally trained in fighting skills. So, Batman makes a tactical retreat, and the Turtles "win" the first encounter.

But, it's reasonable to assume that Batman would do something very Batman-esque before escaping, i.e. planting a Bat-tracking-device on one of the Turtles shells, or acquiring a blood/DNA sample from one of them during battle. He could then either track them back to their lair, and gain great tactical advantage from knowing where they live; or he could use a sample of their blood to develop a retro-mutagen that could turn them back to ordinary turtles.

At any rate, I'd say it's believable that the Turtles could "win" in a first-fight encounter, but Batman would do all the things that Batman does to make sure that he'd ultimately win the war. That's how Batman would take down Superman; he DEFINITELY wouldn't beat Supes in a first-fight encounter, but he'd make a tactical retreat, gain intel, formulate a plan, then come back completely prepared to win. I was thinking the same thing.