New Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie Set For Christmas 2013!

[Bob]

Its official, Jonathon Liebesman is directing, and they describe it as being a “live-action-CGI combo”. Guess the Turtles and Splinter will be motion-capture, just as I thought. After Planet of the Apes, this is a good decision, IMO. Don’t like the idea of putting it up against The Hobbit part 2, though. That’s a bit iffy. I would have thought TMNT would lend itself to the summer season perfectly.

Oh well, at least we know now it is official. Start getting excited!

http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/paramount-sets-ninja-turtles-for-xmas-2013-tom-cruises-one-shot-for-xmas-2012/#comment-2340381

[Roseangelo]

SWEET! Glad it's official.

This is actually the news that I was excited about a couple weeks ago, but couldn't share. ^_^

[MikeandRaph87]

Glad to see something is finally on the ground running after changing release dates and writers and over all plot. It all seems promising so cheers to the team and looking forward to more screen time for the Green Team!:D

So now lets start guessing the chances we have of Shredder being involved! I always perferred to have the big bad in thier at least to some capacity.:tcool:

[Master Splinter]

Its official, Jonathon Liebesman is directing, and they describe it as being a “live-action-CGI combo”. Guess the Turtles and Splinter will be motion-capture, just as I thought. After Planet of the Apes, this is a good decision, IMO. Don’t like the idea of putting it up against The Hobbit part 2, though. That’s a bit iffy. I would have thought TMNT would lend itself to the summer season perfectly.

Oh well, at least we know now it is official. Start getting excited!

http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/paramount-sets-ninja-turtles-for-xmas-2013-tom-cruises-one-shot-for-xmas-2012/#comment-2340381

This is great news. Thanks for sharing the link.

–ms

[oldmanwinters]

It's hard to believe that they've finally got their act together for a new film.

I wonder if they'll use the "live-action" turtle costumes in the picture!
http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/turtles__120314010341.jpg

:tlol:

[Uki]

I just read this at Superherohype.com-although they said that the director wasn't confirmed... In any event, this is AWESOME NEWS!!!!!!

I'm so excited!!!

:)

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, it's good to hear that the "lightening" of the script has been completed to everyone's satisfaction...

[CyberCubed]

The 2013 date will hopefully hold. By that point the Nick cartoon will be in its second season and the IDW comics in its third year....perfect time to kickstart the height of Nick's TMNT era.

Hopefully the movie does well and brings tons of fans to the comics and shows.

[Bob]

Yes, it's good to hear that the "lightening" of the script has been completed to everyone's satisfaction...

I've heard of this "lightening" thing before. Care to explain it/who said it? Was it originally too dark?

Also, I read the same story over at Hollywood Reporter and Variety. They also both said it will be a combo of live-action and CGI and, more importantly, they both said that the budget will be 100 million dollars. I must say, for this day and age and for this type of film, 100 million dollars is pretty moderate. Still, it will be easier to make a profit and ensure a franchise this way.

[Kendamu]

Yes, it's good to hear that the "lightening" of the script has been completed to everyone's satisfaction...
I don't think any of us have truly been expecting a darker TMNT film for awhile.

[Killer Moth]

For a lark, I decided to look up the release dates of the prior movies. Apparently, they've all been released in March. If Wikipedia is off, feel free to yell at them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_(film_series)

Weird to break tradition like that, but whatever. Glad the project is moving forward, and maybe I can finally have Utrom Baxter on the screen. Heh. Just kidding... mostly.

[Jester]

Why do I even bother reading threads when I see the last poster and can tell what was said.

Example: I saw that Andrew was the last poster in this thread (at one point), so I knew anything said would be about how the movie isn't Mirage and will therefor suck.

Don't even have to open the flippin' thread.

[Andrew NDB]

I've heard of this "lightening" thing before. Care to explain it/who said it?

No, not really.

Look, I'm not trying to be Negative Nancy here, but when a person of whose opinion is absolutely paramount in this franchise reads the script and goes, "it's the best Turtles story I've ever read anywhere, period!" and then a few weeks later you hear, "It's being completely rewritten to be lightened up" (when it was already in a PG/barely PG-13 territory)... that kind of gives me cause for concern.

It may be for nothing. It's very possible there's a new vision being brought to light that's even better than before. I hope so, I really do. There's few things that would give me greater joy on the big screen than sitting down with my popcorn and flask (hey, it's like they say: it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it, and watching TMNT movies is a bit like playing Russian Roulette by yourself with like 3 bullets already in the chamber) and watching a truly awesome, definitive TMNT movie.

[Bob]

No. Not really.

Look, I'm not being Negative Nancy here, but when a person of whose opinion is absolutely paramount in this franchise reads the script and goes, "it's the best Turtles story I've ever read anywhere, period!" and then a few weeks later you hear, "It's being completely rewritten to be lightened up" (when it was already in a PG/PG-13 territory)... that kind of gives me cause for concern.

It may be for nothing. It's very possible there's a new vision being brought to light that's even better than before. I hope so, I really do.

I don't want you to think I was being confrontational before, I just genuinely didn't know.

[Donnie]

It really sucks that it was rewritten from what was rated so highly by Kevin (that's who said it right?), and that gives me cause for concern too. I just don't understand why they can't do a spin-off of a TMNT movie 1 feel and still please the kiddies. Maybe they are, I dunno. I'm hopeful and just glad this news has been made official, finally!

Question: what does this mash up of CGI/live action mean? Will there actually be guys in costumes or not? I don't understand this in between stuff. Is it like Gollum in LotR?

[Andrew NDB]

Question: what does this mash up of CGI/live action mean? Will there actually be guys in costumes or not? I don't understand this in between stuff. Is it like Gollum in LotR?

Given the budget, I'm thinking guys in suits with CGI assists for eyes, lip movements and possible ALL-CGI for quick bits of action that would be awkward/cumbersome/damaging to the costumes to have guys in suits do.

[TurtleTitan97]

Alright, some news! I hope that during this year we get more news on the film.

[Jester]

Mikey, either what Andrew said, or like Rise of the Planet of the Apes, we'll have 4 guys in motion capture suits who are later removed in favor of all CG turtles.

[Andrew NDB]

Mikey, either what Andrew said, or like Rise of the Planet of the Apes, we'll have 4 guys in motion capture suits who are later removed in favor of all CG turtles.

Given the budget I'd be really surprised, even shocked if the TMNT we see in the movie the whole time are CGI. Real costumes with CGI assists mean they can save on CGI rendering and save (pretty much entirely) on animatronics while leaning on CGI only where absolutely necessary.

[CyberCubed]

Assuming there are no other mutants in the movie other than the Turtles/Splinter, (and there shouldn't be), I don't see why they can't do it similar to the first live action movie.

CG would be used for the Turtles jumping on rooftops or aerial battles that the costumes couldn't do.

[Jester]

Given the budget I'd be really surprised, even shocked if the TMNT we see in the movie the whole time are CGI. Real costumes with CGI assists mean they can save on CGI rendering and save (pretty much entirely) on animatronics while leaning on CGI only where absolutely necessary.
But the expense of creating the costumes (animatronics not withstanding) might be just as hefty as just removing the mo-capped people and replacing with CG....

But then again, I don't rightly know. I'd assume the suits would need to look pretty real, aside from the faces, and they'd probably be put through heck for stunts.

I guess one way would be to look at the budgets of a CG-assisted costume film vs. a fully CG mo-capped movie.

EDIT: How was Where the Wild Things Are produced? It cost 100 Million, where as Rise of the Planet of the Apes was 93 Million, according to BoxOfficeMojo.com. The cost is similar.

[Andrew NDB]

But the expense of creating the costumes (animatronics not withstanding) might be just as hefty as just removing the mo-capped people and replacing with CG....

Not really. You introduce fully CGI characters into a live-action set interacting with live-action actors and actresses and it's to be believable, you're introducing a million variables and millions of dollars in man hours. Light sourcing, 3D mapping onto live action landscapes, and then actual people too? And it's not even in a blue/greenscreen environment that can be manipulated with layers? That's about as painstaking to produce as it gets.

EDIT: How was Where the Wild Things Are produced? It cost 100 Million, where as Rise of the Planet of the Apes was 93 Million, according to BoxOfficeMojo.com. The cost is similar.

Where the Wild Things Are is probably the exact template this movie is following. That was all real suits with CGI assists for facial/lip movement. I bet that's what we're getting here, along with maybe a few high-action scenes where they can afford to insert some fully-CGI TMNT going crazy with ninjitsu in a way you just can't if it's a guy -- no matter how capable -- fumbling around mostly blindly in a suit.

[sdp]

Nice to have a date, I think we all wanted summer time but there is always tons of competition then, though that would've meant they were taking it more seriously, I thought they wanted TMNT to be their next "Transformers" but who knows if that's what they're still planning. Christmas 2013 really isn't that far away, about a year and a half away, we should see a teaser poster of some kind by SDCC.


Why do I even bother reading threads when I see the last poster and can tell what was said.

Example: I saw that Andrew was the last poster in this thread (at one point), so I knew anything said would be about how the movie isn't Mirage and will therefor suck.

Don't even have to open the flippin' thread.


ooohh what about for me? :D

[Spitfire]

Eh I'll believe it when I see the trailer. Also still not thrilled with the choice of director.

[Luzmagica]

Anyway! Nice to have news!!!! :):):) Something is something!!!! :D
Thanks for sharing ! :tcool: :twink:

[BubblyShell22]

Hey, that's awesome news. I'm glad there's a release date for it at least.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Glad to hear we are finally getting some news on this film!:tgrin: Hopefully their will be more in the close future!

[ZariusTwo]

Eh I'll believe it when I see the trailer. Also still not thrilled with the choice of director.

You're not "thrilled" about anything TMNT-related these days. All the more reason to ignore you.

[DarkLightDragon]

Great to hear.:tgrin:


Just gotta wait for trailer to really see how this will shape up.

[Baxter Stockmen]

Glad to see it's getting some progress.

Would really like to see a teaser image or something. Just to see the direction they are going. I've been wanting a dark and gritty TMNT movie for a very long time. :tgrin:

[ToTheNines]

Cool news, not too far away. Good time to be a Turtles fan!

Wish we could get some info on the plot though.

Don’t like the idea of putting it up against The Hobbit part 2, though. That’s a bit iffy. I would have thought TMNT would lend itself to the summer season perfectly.

Well all movies have competition. If they rushed it and went with summer 2013, it'd be up against Superman, Wolverine, etc. And if they held off until summer 2014, then that runs into Paramount's very own Transformers 4, and whatever else pops up there too (probably the sequel to Amazing Spider-Man).

[Xav]

It really sucks that it was rewritten from what was rated so highly by Kevin (that's who said it right?), and that gives me cause for concern too. When did Kevin say this? Does anyone have a link?

[tmntgeoff]

Im very excited myself i just hope none of the violence is toned down like the secret of the ooze!

I was hoping for a Sin City style movie where everything is black and white except touches of color like the headbands

If they can make a sin city movie like the graphic novel why not tmnt ?

[AquaParade]

Im very excited myself i just hope none of the violence is toned down like the secret of the ooze!

I was hoping for a Sin City style movie where everything is black and white except touches of color like the headbands

If they can make a sin city movie like the graphic novel why not tmnt ?

I agree with you there, dude. That would be awesome.

Quite a few reason's they can't do that though. TMNT is marketed as a very kid-friendly franchise, and kid's love color.


Oh, and yes, I'm stoked to see this moving forward!

Andrew, in the last Kevin interview I saw he discussed how they had a dark script, tried to lighten it, and were now kinda taking it back to the original script idea. So, there is some hope there. Did you ever get a chance to read the first proposed script?

[Master Splinter]

When did Kevin say this? Does anyone have a link?

http://mutantooze.org/wiki/?p=2163

He mentions in the video that he read the script and really liked it... Who knows how much of the original script will be used...

-ms

[ToTheNines]

Do we even know if the Nemec/Applebaum script has anything to do with the Fusco script?

[pannoni1]

I feel a Christmas release may benefit Playmates more since it will encourage more to buy the toys in addition. But like the 1990 movie, we need a good first couple seasons of the cartoon to build some hype for this movie. It's nice, but since its down the pike, I'm still more anticipated over the Nick series.

[AquaParade]

http://mutantooze.org/wiki/?p=2163

He mentions in the video that he read the script and really liked it... Who knows how much of the original script will be used...

-ms


But, wait a second! It says that the video was uploaded in November. Unless I missed it, Kevin doesn't clarify when he read the script. It sounds very possible that he read a fairly recent draft and thought it was "...excellent"

Thanks for the Link. I must have missed that if it was posted here last year.

[Xav]

Yeah that video was posted months after the Mi4 guys were hired to rewrite the script.

[marcelangelo]

hey dudes, back when I was sitting at the movies in sin city(twice) I thought that a tmnt movie realized much like sin city but just catching the eastman and laird spirit and art would be a perfect thing,;)great to see you guys share this point of view!...

[Andrew NDB]

hey dudes, back when I was sitting at the movies in sin city(twice) I thought that a tmnt movie realized much like sin city but just catching the eastman and laird spirit and art would be a perfect thing,;)great to see you guys share this point of view!...

I'm sure many of us have had that exact thought. But then we have to pinch ourselves and wake up.

Too bad, though.

[Bob]

Given the budget I'd be really surprised, even shocked if the TMNT we see in the movie the whole time are CGI. Real costumes with CGI assists mean they can save on CGI rendering and save (pretty much entirely) on animatronics while leaning on CGI only where absolutely necessary.

Just saying, Rise of the Planet of the Apes had a budget of 93 million dollars: http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

Full motion-capture for the Turtles and Splinter can be achieved no problem on 100 million. Where the Wild Things Are looked bad, IMO. Their faces were very well done, to be fair, but the body movement was horrid. They all moved like Big Bird. They just looked like men in clunky suits, which is what they were.

[FearlessLeader]

So excited for this! And I find that a very interesting time to release it and with the cold weather I will have the perfect excuse to stop into the theater and see it a few times :tgrin:

Holding off my opinion on pretty much everything else until I actually see something :twink:

[Donnie]

Well all movies have competition. If they rushed it and went with summer 2013, it'd be up against Superman, Wolverine, etc. And if they held off until summer 2014, then that runs into Paramount's very own Transformers 4, and whatever else pops up there too (probably the sequel to Amazing Spider-Man).

Honestly, I think putting TMNT up against The Hobbit 2 is foolish, for sure. The Hobbit is going to be huge. I don't see Superman and Wolverine as a bigger threat than The Hobbit...

[FearlessLeader]

Honestly, I think putting TMNT up against The Hobbit 2 is foolish, for sure. The Hobbit is going to be huge. I don't see Superman and Wolverine as a bigger threat than The Hobbit...

I am just hoping one get's released towards the start of the month and the other towards the end. That way the wealth can be spread out a little bit more between them. At least hopefully Turtles and Hobbit should be close to it for action/ effect films at the time hopefully, since Harry Potter's done and I think after the last film Narnia is pretty dead in the water and those were the only other Holiday franchises I cant think of.

[Bob]

Honestly, I think putting TMNT up against The Hobbit 2 is foolish, for sure. The Hobbit is going to be huge. I don't see Superman and Wolverine as a bigger threat than The Hobbit...

Good thing is that films that come out in December have the strongest holds. In a lot of ways, its one of the best times to release a movie. If the budget of TMNT is a mere 100 million, you can bet your life that this is sure to spawn a very lucrative franchise. The TMNT brand still holds a lot of weight around the world.

[ToTheNines]

Here's the IGN report: http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1220708p1.html

Nothing of note other than this sh*t-head's comment:


The only way I go see TMNT in theaters is if it's nothing like the Archie comics version of the turtles and more like Eastman & Lairds orginal storyline. For example Shredder was renegade Krang in the comic, and the other Krangs were actually quite peaceful.

:roll:

Good thing is that films that come out in December have the strongest holds. In a lot of ways, its one of the best times to release a movie.

I agree. Personally, I'm much more likely to see several movies in the course of a month if the weather is cold. I normally only catch one or two movies in the cinema during summer.

[Redeemer]

Awesome news!!!!!Great to hear!!!!! I cant wait to see this movie and I will definately be seeing this in theaters. The only problem is that the world is going to end this year.....

[Jester]

Im very excited myself i just hope none of the violence is toned down like the secret of the ooze!

I was hoping for a Sin City style movie where everything is black and white except touches of color like the headbands

If they can make a sin city movie like the graphic novel why not tmnt ?
I've been calling for a TMNT DTV animated movie (in the same vein of the DC animated flicks) based on TMNT #1. Glad to see there are other who would like to see something like it.

[marcelangelo]

I'm sure many of us have had that exact thought. But then we have to pinch ourselves and wake up.

Too bad, though.

;)....well, maybe some of us will grow to be working in the movie business and have a pinch at it someday;)...I mean wasn't there an incredible example for something that would have rocked big time but it wouldn't see production and then some fans got together and knocked it out of the park...hmmm what was that again?...oh yeah, I got it:it was the mother****ing incredible image issues 24 and 25!!!!!!;)

[Cowabunga Carl]

I've been calling for a TMNT DTV animated movie (in the same vein of the DC animated flicks) based on TMNT #1. Glad to see there are other who would like to see something like it.

I was so excited when this was going to be the 25th Anniversary DVD. The idea of having the actual first issue as an animated movie seemed to good to be true. And like they say if it sounds to good to be true it is. As we saw it didn't happen. I'd love to see it happen someday though.

Then again one day I'd love to actually see Eastman and Laird's main story done as a set of DTVs. I think having their story as they originally told it would be amazing.

That said I know that isn't what this new movie will be. However I'm still excited to see the TMNT on the big screen again. I'm going to hold off trying to guess what we will see for the moment. Whatever it is I hope they spend the time and energy to give us something that old fans and new can both enjoy.

[Baxter Stockmen]

The thing is. If they make a damn good dark and gritty move with some Sin City style. It'll bring so many more people to the comic series and maybe even spur up some new ones. :tgrin:

[Kendamu]

The thing is. If they make a damn good dark and gritty move with some Sin City style. It'll bring so many more people to the comic series and maybe even spur up some new ones. :tgrin:
I actually think a Sin City style TMNT movie would have the same reaction as the last movie: "WTF? No Krang? Where's Bebop and Rocksteady? And the Shredder was missing, too! I wanted to see the Technodrome!"

[TheCanadiandrome]

awesome! can't wait for more news

[Baxter Stockmen]

I actually think a Sin City style TMNT movie would have the same reaction as the last movie: "WTF? No Krang? Where's Bebop and Rocksteady? And the Shredder was missing, too! I wanted to see the Technodrome!"

I feel like you have to start small for villains. Say shredder and the foot clan. Then maybe in a sequel add shredder testing the mutagen on a warthog and rhino.

Sadly, as much as i love krang. It may be too far fetched. But i'm no writer. :tgrin:

[Jester]

Sadly, as much as i love krang. It may be too far fetched. But i'm no writer. :tgrin:
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[Andrew NDB]

I actually think a Sin City style TMNT movie would have the same reaction as the last movie: "WTF? No Krang? Where's Bebop and Rocksteady? And the Shredder was missing, too! I wanted to see the Technodrome!"

Oh, you mean to the 30-35 year olds who are long, long out of the target demographic of films of this sort?

[Cowabunga Carl]

As much as I'd like the new movies to not draw from the OT but from the comics I fear that's what we will see. I've come to accept that with Nick that Bebop and Rocksteady will be playing a much larger role in things then I'd like.

That said I'd like to see something that isn't a direct formula of the first two movies.

[Kendamu]

Oh, you mean to the 30-35 year olds who are long, long out of the target demographic of films of this sort?

Yeah, the adults who would be the target mature audience of a serious and dark Ninja Turtles film. The same ones who would bitch that stuff from the OT wasn't present.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, the adults who would be the target mature audience of a serious and dark Ninja Turtles film. The same ones who would bitch that stuff from the OT wasn't present.

You're really not seeing the bigger picture.

A super successful TMNT movie in 2012 (or 2013, or 2014, or whatever it ends up being) cannot be "for" any existing faction of the fandom. It will not become a blockbuster on any sort of virtue of "nostalgia," be it for guys like me who only find a lot of merit in the source material or the clusters of people who replay Fred Wolf episodes every couple of weeks or so.

It needs to be provocative and exciting for brand new viewers in modern demographics that make quirky martial arts actioners successful. And focus group limiting things to what children of a certain age are supposed to like is falling into the same age-old trap that a lot of would-be franchise makers fall into. C'mon, think back a bit. Kids aren't entirely stupid... when they're kind of told "This sort of thing is what you should be watching," they kind of become hip to it. They resist it. Kids like to know they're watching something with a bit of an edge, something a bit above what society tells them is above the cut of their jib... it's what makes it provocative.

And we're not talking about an R-rated Turtles movie... I'm talking about a pretty hardcore PG-13 Turtles movie that would strike a perfect balance of demographic vs. faithfulness to the source material, something that's never been tried before.

[Alex]

Awesome, awesome, awesome!! So excited!

[Baxter Stockmen]

You're really not seeing the bigger picture.

A super successful TMNT movie in 2012 (or 2013, or 2014, or whatever it ends up being) cannot be "for" any existing faction of the fandom. It will not become a blockbuster on any sort of virtue of "nostalgia," be it for guys like me who only find a lot of merit in the source material or the clusters of people who replay Fred Wolf episodes every couple of weeks or so.

It needs to be provocative and exciting for brand new viewers in modern demographics that make quirky martial arts actioners successful. And focus group limiting things to what children of a certain age are supposed to like is falling into the same age-old trap that a lot of would-be franchise makers fall into. C'mon, think back a bit. Kids aren't entirely stupid... when they're kind of told "This sort of thing is what you should be watching," they kind of become hip to it. They resist it. Kids like to know they're watching something with a bit of an edge, something a bit above what society tells them is above the cut of their jib... it's what makes it provocative.

And we're not talking about an R-rated Turtles movie... I'm talking about a pretty hardcore PG-13 Turtles movie that would strike a perfect balance of demographic vs. faithfulness to the source material, something that's never been tried before.

Exactly. To me it needs to do what Batman Begins did for batman. A new concept and a totally new direction. Basically redefining what everyone had previously thought about batman.

[Bob]

A new concept and a totally new direction.

This is what I think the new film should be. I don't want a re-hash of the first movie.

[TurtleTitan97]

Man, I would love it if TMNT went the Dark Knight route. Be the coolest thing ever.

[JakeSully]

Who wants WETA for the turtle effects?

[Bob]

Who wants WETA for the turtle effects?

Definitely me.

[Kendamu]

You're really not seeing the bigger picture.

A super successful TMNT movie in 2012 (or 2013, or 2014, or whatever it ends up being) cannot be "for" any existing faction of the fandom. It will not become a blockbuster on any sort of virtue of "nostalgia," be it for guys like me who only find a lot of merit in the source material or the clusters of people who replay Fred Wolf episodes every couple of weeks or so.

It needs to be provocative and exciting for brand new viewers in modern demographics that make quirky martial arts actioners successful. And focus group limiting things to what children of a certain age are supposed to like is falling into the same age-old trap that a lot of would-be franchise makers fall into. C'mon, think back a bit. Kids aren't entirely stupid... when they're kind of told "This sort of thing is what you should be watching," they kind of become hip to it. They resist it. Kids like to know they're watching something with a bit of an edge, something a bit above what society tells them is above the cut of their jib... it's what makes it provocative.

And we're not talking about an R-rated Turtles movie... I'm talking about a pretty hardcore PG-13 Turtles movie that would strike a perfect balance of demographic vs. faithfulness to the source material, something that's never been tried before.

It's not that I don't agree and it's not that I don't see what would make a really cool TMNT movie that's supposed to make people see TMNT in a whole new light. It's just that, after how the average person responded to the 2007 film, I have no faith in said average person "getting it" when it comes to something cool and provocative in the TMNT sense. I can see kids getting into something new and a bit edgier than what their used to in the same sense that I got into the original TMNT flick and, several years later, the comics once I saw the connection between the two. I just don't see fully grown adults accepting anything that "OMG IT DIDN'T HAEV THA THEME SAWNG!!!!!111"

In short, while the kids would fall in love with something like that, I'm extremely cynical on what the average adult will accept in regard to a TMNT film.

[TheCanadiandrome]

This got covered on Electric Playground, albeit just a tidbit

[Baxter Stockmen]

It's not that I don't agree and it's not that I don't see what would make a really cool TMNT movie that's supposed to make people see TMNT in a whole new light. It's just that, after how the average person responded to the 2007 film, I have no faith in said average person "getting it" when it comes to something cool and provocative in the TMNT sense. I can see kids getting into something new and a bit edgier than what their used to in the same sense that I got into the original TMNT flick and, several years later, the comics once I saw the connection between the two. I just don't see fully grown adults accepting anything that "OMG IT DIDN'T HAEV THA THEME SAWNG!!!!!111"

In short, while the kids would fall in love with something like that, I'm extremely cynical on what the average adult will accept in regard to a TMNT film.

Yeah. you have a point. But if they get the type of direction Nolan had with Batman. Fans won't care there wasn't the theme song. As long as they don't try to reinvent a theme song. Just get a good composer to score the movie.

[Rat A Tat]

All I want is something that truly defines and explores the characters. I enjoy some good action, but for me, a great movie is more story driven and even more character driven. I want a film that doesn't just say "ok audience, Raph is the hot head," for example. I want a film that takes time to delve into it and explore it.

I think if you make a film that creates real, believable characters with a story that connects with them, then you can overcome the audience predetermined expectations. I think that's what ultimately comes down to how the Nolan Batman films changed some people's perception of Batman.

[Andrew NDB]

It's just that, after how the average person responded to the 2007 film, I have no faith in said average person "getting it" when it comes to something cool and provocative in the TMNT sense.

I think the only thing the 2007 film proved was that general audiences won't go and see a horrible TMNT movie and nostalgia won't fill seats. I could've told them that beforehand and saved them a lot of money.


In short, while the kids would fall in love with something like that, I'm extremely cynical on what the average adult will accept in regard to a TMNT film.

The adults would and could only be the icing on the cake of any super successful TMNT movie... it's the teens that will fill the seats. They have to. And if it's not insultingly kid-pandering as, say, a PG TMNT movie would be (Teenaged Ninjas... but it has to be completely pasteurized for pre-teenagers? why?), then it wouldn't keep out adults either.

I guess my point is that there can still be a PG-13 movie that's awesome and intriguing for teens and youths that still has enough teeth that, 1) It'd be faithful enough tonally to the source material, 2) A "Children Only" flag won't go up for adults. But #2 doesn't even matter in the big picture of box office, I'm just saying that in this case, we can have our cake and eat it too so why not?

[Baxter Stockmen]

Would anybody be opposed to it being just "Ninja Turtles"??

Where you know, they aren't teens anymore. A little more mature, maybe even more cynical and brutal with their handling of thugs.

[shezcrafti]

Would anybody be opposed to it being just "Ninja Turtles"??

Where you know, they aren't teens anymore. A little more mature, maybe even more cynical and brutal with their handling of thugs.

You read my mind. I think it makes complete sense to age the Turtles into something more mature. I can easily envision a film where they're in their early 20's and have more life experience. The TMNT fanbase has grown up, so why shouldn't the Turtles?

[Andrew NDB]

Would anybody be opposed to it being just "Ninja Turtles"??


I would be more than OK with that.

In fact, I made this about 12 years ago as a kid:

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/ntposter.gif

Of course, I understand there's a kind of a kitsch charm to the full "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" title but strictly speaking personally I like the idea of just "Ninja Turtles" for a variety of reasons, but largely for the greater emphasis that gives on the "Ninja" aspect of the TMNT.

[Bob]

You read my mind. I think it makes complete sense to age the Turtles into something more mature. I can easily envision a film where they're in their early 20's and have more life experience. The TMNT fanbase has grown up, so why shouldn't the Turtles?

I suppose that because turtles are such naturally long-living creatures, they can say that they may be “teenagers” in human years, but they’re really in their early-to-mid-twenties in their own years.

Honestly, though, I think they’re probably going to stick fairly close to each turtle’s characterisation that people have known for years. Michelangelo will be the “comic-relief” one, for example, whilst Leonardo will be the serious, sensible leader and so forth.

And yes, I do like Ninja Turtles as the title. I still think they're going to go with the full title, though, seeing as their "rebooting" the franchise, so to speak, and starting from scratch.

[Bmaga123]

I would be more than OK with that.

In fact, I made this about 12 years ago as a kid:

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/ntposter.gif

Of course, I understand there's a kind of a kitsch charm to the full "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" title but strictly speaking personally I like the idea of just "Ninja Turtles" for a variety of reasons, but largely for the greater emphasis that gives on the "Ninja" aspect of the TMNT.

That is one sick cover you created Andrew, I love it :o

[AquaParade]

"You grew up. So did they"

Ha! I love it. Cheesy like most taglines, but awesome nonetheless.

I love the name "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", but if it meant the direction of the film would follow suit, I'd be all for dropping the "Teenage Mutant". I think it'd be a fresh name for a tmnt film either way, really.

[Slap-Happy]

At the Nick upfront presentation that happened earlier this week Michael Bay presented some pre-viz stuff from the movie to the audience.

Not much, but it's still info.

[Powder]

I'm not familiar with the term "pre-viz", so what kind of content would that be?

[oldmanwinters]

I would be more than OK with that.

In fact, I made this about 12 years ago as a kid:

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/tmnt/ntposter.gif

Of course, I understand there's a kind of a kitsch charm to the full "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" title but strictly speaking personally I like the idea of just "Ninja Turtles" for a variety of reasons, but largely for the greater emphasis that gives on the "Ninja" aspect of the TMNT.

Seems like I remember that as part of the whole "!*@$ with the Green, and it's gonna get Mean!" mantra.:tlol:

[Bob]

At the Nick upfront presentation that happened earlier this week Michael Bay presented some pre-viz stuff from the movie to the audience.

Not much, but it's still info.

Where did you hear about this?

EDIT:

OMG, I think its actually going to be called NINJA TURTLES! Read. What's this about an alien planet? Oh, oh......Here's more info:

http://blog.viacom.com/2012/03/scenes-from-the-nickelodeon-upfront/

This is what it says:

After an earth-rattling sizzle reel of his greatest hits – from The Rock to Pearl Harbor to the Transformers trilogy – Michael Bay gave the crowd a first look at the previsualization – filmmaker speak for a 3D, digitally animated storyboard – for Ninja Turtles, Paramount Pictures’ live-action reinvention of the franchise set to hit theaters next year. “We want this film to have the impact of a Transformers one,” said Bay. If the stunning previs is any indication, Bay is making good progress against that lofty goal in his role as producer. Another tidbit he offered up is that the Turtles origin story has been updated, from the decidedly 80s radioactive waste accident to an alien planet.

[TurtleTitan97]

Interesting. I wonder what the origin will be this time.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Alien planet? Could that mean Utroms are responsible?

[Jester]

My guess is that they are warriors from another planet engaged in a century long battle with their enemies...


Gah, it sounds like Transformers.

[Bob]

Alien planet? Could that mean Utroms are responsible?

The alien planet worries me, but if it was that, I wouldn't mind.

[Jester]

Turtleoids wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Triceratons...

[TurtleTitan97]

You know, it's funny, I heard a rumor awhile back that said that someone saw the concept art for the turtles for this movie that said one of them had a futuristic looking gun. With this recent news, it makes me wonder if that's coming true since they are properly going to another planet. I hope we get to see an adaption of the "Turtles in Space" storyline in this new film series.

[Bob]

Turtleoids wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Shredder-cons....

Wouldn't Turtlebots be better? ;)

[Jester]

Wouldn't Turtlebots be better? ;)
Maybe, but The Turtleoids were at least ET Turtles. :P

I'm debating changing Shredder-cons to Triceratons though.... :P

[Andrew NDB]

Well... Utroms come from an alien world and it's their waste that originally mutated the Turtles. I guess some greater emphasis on their world to start with wouldn't be completely apocryphal.

Something tells me it's a setup for Krang, though. You know how these things work... everything is connected and such.

[AquaParade]

It'd be pretty cool if the turtles were dumped on earth as some kind of utrom experiment. Assuming they didn't begin mutation until they were abandoned.

[ToTheNines]

I'm not gonna hate on it. IDW totally redid the origin and that turned out great.

[Powder]

"Alien planet" on its own I will admit immediately made me go WTF but there are a lot of things sensible that could be worked into/out of that.

[Andrew NDB]

That the first bit of real news on the shooting script we get is "alien planet," though, seems to torpedo the hope that they'd begin things fairly down-to-earth.

But it might just turn out to be a small thing. Like, think the Jor-El on Krypton beginning to Superman: The Movie.

[Killer Moth]

Interesting they'd drop about the alien planet. It would make for some interesting pacing if they went there, throw in some aliens (Utrom, Triceraton) and a ninja battle with Shredder in the same movie. The tone shift can be tricky but not impossible. Unless they don't opt for the latter, of course, but with a new revamp film, I can't see it without Shredder playing some role.

"Turtles In Space," eh? Well, we're due for a Triceraton movie appearance and the 2003 series ensured modern audiences should be able to split the difference between Krang and the Utroms. Or, maybe, we'll finally get the 'Secret of the Ooze' premise that was meant to be done, but couldn't be done in '91 for reasons that has since been discussed.

Edit: In case we do get the "Turtles = aliens" plot treatment, as some are inferring, hoo boy. If so, expect a lot more Star Wars references. Ugh. I won't be looking forward to that, and I was an ex-Star Wars fanboy.

[TurtleTitan97]

I just hope the designs are not overdone for the turtles. I wouldn't mind if they looked something like this pic:

http://mutantooze.org/wiki/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Alfredo-Lopez-Jr-TMNT-Print-Free-TMNT-1990-Screening-Promo.jpg

[Baxter Stockmen]

how about the crooked ninja turtle gang? :tlol:

[Jester]

I know I'm gonna get a "But the Turtles aren't *insert hero here*" response but how much was Spider-man's origin changed for his movie? Or Batman's? How about Superman? The Turtles also have an "iconic" or at least really simple and straight forward origin story. Why does it need to be made complicated and convoluted?

Funny you should mention IDW, Nines, because I'm not 100% thrilled with the reworking of the origin. I think reincarnation muddies the waters and over complicates things. Besides, shouldn't there other "pasts lives" for Yoshi and his sons, or did they die, and then wake up as a rat and 4 turtles? I don't think reincarnation works that way... though to be fair, I don't really know how it works.

[Kendamu]

If they turn the Turtles into aliens, it's sort of like Bruce Wayne's parents dying of cancer instead of being shot. I'm gonna guess that it's not a direct "the Turtles are aliens" thing, though.

[Jester]

If they turn the Turtles into aliens, it's sort of like Bruce Wayne's parents dying of cancer instead of being shot. I'm gonna guess that it's not a direct "the Turtles are aliens" thing, though.
Me too. They can't be that crazy.

But can we expect a TMNT movie where April and Casey get more focus than the Turtles?

[Andrew NDB]

But can we expect a TMNT movie where April and Casey get more focus than the Turtles?

Maybe. We got a Transformers movie from Bay's stable where the humans got more focus than the Transformers... and those humans weren't even pre-existing characters.

No matter what happens, though, I'm sure the Turtles will still have been normal turtles from Earth who get mutated humanoid. Whether that happens on an alien planet or via their ooze or some kind of intentional experiment or project, who knows.

[Kendamu]

Something like that might actually work for a movie about Ninjas, though. Spending a lot of the movie going unseen or barely seen in a Dreamwave kind of way would really be awesome if done right. In the case of Transformers, you had these huge battles between giant robots going on and a lot of what we get are shots of them fighting in the background while the main human characters dodge debris or something. With the Turtles it could at least make a little more sense to play it up like the earlier parts of Ninja Assassin while not giving them a full reveal until much later.

I'd prefer the Turtles getting center stage, but I could see the humans getting center stage if done right.

[Andrew NDB]

With the Turtles it could at least make a little more sense to play it up like the earlier parts of Ninja Assassin while not giving them a full reveal until much later.

I dig that example.

[Jester]

Congratulations Goonga. Not only did you make a wonderful explanation of how to fix the Turtles as background characters in their own movie by using "ninjitsu" as the logical reason, but you created common ground between Andrew and me. :P

[Xav]

No matter what happens, though, I'm sure the Turtles will still have been normal turtles from Earth who get mutated humanoid. Whether that happens on an alien planet or via their ooze or some kind of intentional experiment or project, who knows. I don't know, there is no mutant in the title or radioactive waste. We could very well get alien turtles.

[Bob]

But can we expect a TMNT movie where April and Casey get more focus than the Turtles?

Quite possibly. I could definitely see the new movie being more from April’s perspective. She’ll be playing the role of the audience, so to speak. Sort of like Sam in the Transformers films.

[CyberCubed]

I wouldn't mind if Krang is in this movie if he's like IDW's Krang.

Remember Krang more or less is the cause of the Turtles mutation just like the Utroms.

[TMNT]

Because it was bound to be asked sooner or later, any idea when details of said previz sequence will become available :lol:?

Like many have said, the "alien planet" idea can go both ways, but it is nice to see that the project is moving forward in some capacity. Michael Bay is known to extensively previz a lot of his movies ahead of time.

[Cowabunga Carl]

It can go a lot of ways, which is what is scary. The last time we had aliens in a TMNT movie though it was TMNT. While not a horrible horrible movie it didn't even bother to use things that were established.

[TurtleTitan97]

It can go a lot of ways, which is what is scary. The last time we had aliens in a TMNT movie though it was TMNT.

Those were monsters from another world, not aliens.

[Baxter Stockmen]

Quite possibly. I could definitely see the new movie being more from April’s perspective. She’ll be playing the role of the audience, so to speak. Sort of like Sam in the Transformers films.

I really don't like that idea. It may have worked for the Transformers. But that is because there were tons of different transformers out there. There are only 4 turtles.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Those were monsters from another world, not aliens.

Wouldn't anything, monster or not, from another world be an alien on this one? Just saying.

[Uki]

I'm hoping that we're going to see Utroms-that'd be cool to me. Shoot, have the turtles face Shredder and Baxter in 1, with it ending with a shot of a TCRI worker exposing his true alien self and 2 can kick off with the Transmat adventure and Fugitoid!

[CyberCubed]

The Turtles themselves better not be aliens. I mean who would believe a planet full of talking Turtles? (And yes, I am aware of the original cartoons 2 alien Turtle planets)

[Jester]

The Turtles themselves better not be aliens. I mean who would believe a planet full of talking Turtles? (And yes, I am aware of the original cartoons 2 alien Turtle planets)
I think one was an alternate dimension, technically despite the episode being called Planet of the Turtles.

[Andrew NDB]

The Turtles themselves better not be aliens. I mean who would believe a planet full of talking Turtles?

They won't do that. But if they do, I hope we can all collectively agree to throw our arms up in dismissal.

[Jester]

They won't do that. But if they do, I hope we can all collectively agree to throw our arms up in dismissal.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles would be boycotted by me.

[Kendamu]

They won't do that. But if they do, I hope we can all collectively agree to throw our arms up in dismissal.
I'm certainly in that camp. I don't expect it to be the case, but I'm prepared to not want to see this movie if they mess up the origin so badly that they're alien turtles.

[Toby Barrett]

It's Bay. He'll screw it up one way or another.

[FearlessLeader]

As long as the humor in the film is actually funny unlike all the Transformer movies I am interested in seeing them try pretty much anything. (Though I don't think they would make the Turtles from another planet.... that seems too far off for the origin story, but I could very easily see the reason for their mutation being from another place.)

Now I really want to know what they are going to do. Man I hate waiting :tlol:

[ToTheNines]

It's Bay. He'll screw it up one way or another.

He's only the EP. He's not writing or directing.

[Toby Barrett]

Oh! My mistake then.

[Raph's Girl]

Dear Michael Bay,

WTF?! Aliens?! The turtles are aliens now?!

Tough, edgy, funny and completly lovable aliens.... uh.... :ohwell:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpi22w_michael-bay-talks-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles_shortfilms

[Zany Orange Dude]

The turtles are going to be aliens?....Okay that's......uh....new? Strange? Weird?:tconfuse:

I...have no idea what to say to this. I hate to judge a movie when close to nothing has been released on it, so I won't.

[Bob]

I’m sure the Turtles themselves won’t be aliens, as in a whole other species that just so happens to resemble Earth-bound turtles. I think what they mean is that the ooze that mutates them comes from another planet.

EDIT: I just saw that clip. Do you think maybe its just Michael Bay's innocent ignorance on the whole back story? Maybe he's just got it wrong? Or, maybe Earth-bound turtles get "infused" with the DNA of another race that resemble humanoid turtles?

Is there anymore of that clip anywhere?

[Powder]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

There goes their uniqueness.

[CyberCubed]

I really hope that when he says "these Turtles are from an alien race" he's really refering to the Utroms.

Why would Nick/Viacom approve of such a script? They approved of the IDW origin where they were from Earth and the Nick show will probably have a normal origin as well.

Why the hell would they want the movie origin so different, if they want fans of those to see the comics and cartoons?

[Xav]

Because they don't care about fans, and are aiming this at kids who never heard of the Ninja Turtles.

[CyberCubed]

So Nick wants 3 different origins going on between all the new stuff?

So much for brand unity. Down with Michael Bay.

[prophecy718]

:o what the hell did i just hear?!! damn......

[Andrew NDB]

when he says "these Turtles are from an alien race"

Technically that's true, though, isn't it? Even in the Mirage material, they are technically "from an alien race." Specifically "from the byproduct of an alien race," but still from an alien race.

Why would Nick/Viacom approve of such a script?

Because there's no longer any Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird to veto bad story/script after bad story/script.

Which isn't to say it'll be bad. If there's a larger than we're used to alien influence in the Bay TMNT but the rest of it is pretty badass and tonally faithful... should we throw the baby out with the bathwater? No, probably not.

No matter what, though, it's still really got me scratching my head that literally the first thing ever publicly released about the story of the new TMNT film is something that -- on the surface -- appears to completely fly in the face of everything people know and identify with in the Turtles. They want this to be the first nugget they throw out there, really? It just seems bizarre. I don't believe they'll not be mutants but it could definitely be read that way, but either way it's puzzling from a marketing standpoint... I mean, "they're aliens, folks!" is supposed to get people excited? It's a meaningless announcement to make to non fans and only serves to piss off existing ones.

They approved of the IDW origin where they were from Earth and the Nick show will probably have a normal origin as well.

Why the hell would they want the movie origin so different, if they want fans of those to see the comics and cartoons?

I doubt Nick/Viacom quite puts the same stock or care in what IDW does with the comic book they licensed as they do with what's going on in their movie and cartoon -- those, and toys, were always the two focal points for Nick/Viacom. More comics were just something they said "OK" to.

[Toby Barrett]

Hm. I think it'd be best to just wait to hear what others involved in the film say about it. Previews, trailers, interviews. Until then, I'm just gonna wait.

No use in pulling out hair before you know the big picture.

[Xav]

Why would Nick/Viacom approve of such a script? They approved of the IDW origin where they were from Earth and the Nick show will probably have a normal origin as well. But aren't they reincarnated humans in the IDW series?

[TonySiegel]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/10/14/4b365355-b82d-407f-a88a-d94a5f0eb24d.jpg

Michael Bay is going to own this movie! Turtles, explosions, and terrorists! I hope the US armed forces make an appearance in the movie. Maybe ford can design the turtle van? i cant wait! :trolleye: :tcry:

[Jester]

Maybe ford can design the turtle van? i cant wait! :trolleye: :tcry:
Hey...hey... The Turtle Van is a VW Micro Bus. :P

[Andrew NDB]

Michael Bay is great at spectacle... if there was some way to marry his eye for action and "big" with some pretty brutal (and not campy) ninja fighting, that'd be great.

I'd feel a lot better about this if there were interviews from the writer(s) talking about their general vision for the Turtles.

[Jester]

I'd feel a lot better about this if there were interviews from the writer(s) talking about their general vision for the Turtles.
Indeed. I guess I should reserve judgement until someone more intimately involved says something that makes me want to firebomb Paramount*.

*Figure of speech. Jester does not condone arson.

[CyberCubed]

I have never lost this much interest in a movie before.

Even if it turns out decent, if the Turtles are aliens I cannot enjoy the movie.

[The Stryker]

I have never lost this much interest in a movie before.

Even if it turns out decent, if the Turtles are aliens I cannot enjoy the movie.

That's great. Don't pay money to see it then.

[TonySiegel]

Scrap the turtle van and give each turtle a camaro thats the same color as their bandanas. Think of the toy possibilities people! :x

[I will never forgive Michael Bay for his film atrocities]

[Jester]

*slinks away with his copy of The Rock.*

[TurtleTitan97]

The turtles as... aliens? Well, it's certainly... umm... there are no words that I can express over this news. This picture will have to do:
http://images.wikia.com/tmnt/images/6/6a/Raph_and_Leatherhead_1.jpg
Nevertheless, I will have to wait until I see a trailer or concept art before I judge.

[Kendamu]

One possibility is that the war in Dimension X spilled over to Earth and the Turtles are created through experimentation sorta like IDW. That, or they're from Dimension X (lame!).

[Jester]

Ninja Turtles....More than meets the eye....

*sigh*

[Samhain]

I think everyone just needs to relax and wait for more news. And besides, lets be real. You know damn well you are gonna see it. Regardless of if the turtles are from space or not.

[Jester]

And besides, lets be real. You know damn well you are gonna see it. Regardless of if the turtles are from space or not.
It would make me seriously consider NOT seeing it, I'll say that much.

[Toby Barrett]

I save going to the theatre for very special occasions, so if I don't like the sound of it, I certainly would'nt go see it. XD

[Kendamu]

Seeing it is one thing. Paying for it in theaters is another.

[Jester]

Seeing it is one thing. Paying for it in theaters is another.
Touchè .

[CyberCubed]

Wow and instead of getting a movie we have all been waiting for it sound like we're getting a bastardized version instead.

I hope they retitle the movie to Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles because this is not the same franchise to me.

[Kendamu]

It's simply titled "Ninja Turtles."

[Jester]

It's simply titled "Ninja Turtles."
*wonders if they'll be adults as well as aliens.*
;)

[Killer Moth]

I think everyone just needs to relax and wait for more news. And besides, lets be real. You know damn well you are gonna see it. Regardless of if the turtles are from space or not.

Since I skipped the 2007 movie, I will make a serious attempt to see the 2013 film. Or, just get it on DVD, as that's my preferred choice. Either way, I'll see it, but with tweaked expectations (more than usual).

If the fandom can survive the revisions of "tried to destroy Yoshi with that mutagen," Venus' sudden appearance into the origin and Shredder as an Utrom, this will be no different. Furthermore, maybe the producers figured since the 2003 series made Shredder an alien and people eventually accepted it, they figured, 'hey, why not?'

It's best to wait until the writer chimes in, whenever that is. At least, we're not wanking it up too much, right? Meanwhile, I'll go laugh at Goongasnootch's sig.

[The Stryker]

Scrap the turtle van and give each turtle a camaro thats the same color as their bandanas. Think of the toy possibilities people! :x

[I will never forgive Michael Bay for his film atrocities]

Because Ninja Turtles has never been exploited for toys before right? RIGHT?

*wonders if they'll be adults as well as aliens.*
;)

YOU GREW UP, SO DID THEY!

*Vomit*

[CyberCubed]

Why do I get the feeling that April will be some hot 18 year old high school girl with huge boobs?

[The Stryker]

Because you're jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

[Jester]

Why do I get the feeling that April will be some hot 18 year old high school girl with huge boobs?
Imagine the re-imagining of Donnie and Casey fixing the truck from TMNT 1 done Transformers style.

[Toby Barrett]

Masterbation and fart jokes.

[Jester]

Masterbation and fart jokes.
Pot jokes and racial stereotypes.

Z0GFRcFm-aY
Remember guys, Bay is only the producer...

[ToTheNines]

You know a thread is whack when Stryker's making sense.

[CyberCubed]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Katy Perry gets the role of April. After she played Smurfette in the new Smurfs movie it wouldn't surprise me.

[Jester]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Katy Perry gets the role of April. After she played Smurfette in the new Smurfs movie it wouldn't surprise me.
Dude, that was a voice role...anyone can do a voice role. (And by that I mean a 300 pound black man has twice played a fit Asian man in TMNT)

[Xav]

Why do I get the feeling that April will be some hot 18 year old high school girl with huge boobs? Well she is going to be a 16 year old high school girl in the new toon.

[CyberCubed]

The April in this movie will probably be a Megan Fox clone.

[Andrew NDB]

The April in this movie will probably be a Megan Fox clone.

I would bet money that's probably not far from the truth. I guess I feel guilty that I don't have an exceedingly large problem with that.

[Jester]

As long as she has some brains to balance the "beauty," I'm game.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Dude, that was a voice role...anyone can do a voice role. (And by that I mean a 300 pound black man has twice played a fit Asian man in TMNT)


Quoted for sheer awesomeness.

[Moonlight1102]

Aliens? :(

[Donnie]

Has anybody brought up that Nick has been doing the right thing with TMNT and they most likely will not give the green light on the TMNT being actual extra terrestrials?

[Samhain]

I really don't think that the movie's origin story would differ that greatly from the Nick toon. If it's too different from the show the kids they are aiming all this too will be confused.

[Donnie]

I really don't think that the movie's origin story would differ that greatly from the Nick toon. If it's too different from the show the kids they are aiming all this too will be confused.

I don't know about that...I wasn't confused seeing TMNT 1 when the cartoon was big, and that origin was different. Kids that little won't even make the connection. In this respect I do hope that the movie is it's own universe.

[Samhain]

I don't know about that...I wasn't confused seeing TMNT 1 when the cartoon was big, and that origin was different. Kids that little won't even make the connection. In this respect I do hope that the movie is it's own universe.

Yeah, but that was back when Mirage owned the turtles. Peter and Kevin were involved in the making of that movie so it's no suprising it came out ''darker'' than what kids were used to. But Nick is different. They paid a lot of money and I don't think they are gonna screw this up.

[Killer Moth]

I would bet money that's probably not far from the truth. I guess I feel guilty that I don't have an exceedingly large problem with that.

Go with the feeling, sir.

This all could be academic, anyway, as if enough people female dog about this, they will probably scrap the alien angle and go back to square one. With the internet age, everything is more fluid, including instant retractions or revisions. It isn't like the script is finalized or anything else, so there is time.

Unless, it really is to galvanize the fandom and to create massive lulz, as Andrew and others had alluded earlier. Because, it's a few days later, and 'this can't be for real, right? It has to be a joke.'

[ZariusTwo]

And besides, lets be real. You know damn well you are gonna see it. Regardless of if the turtles are from space or not.

I waited until the first Bayformer movie was on torrent sites before I watched it. No way was I paying money to see that s*ite no matter how big a TF fan I was.

[mb1025]

I would bet my house that he doesn't mean they will be from outer space. The turtles are technically an alien race since they are the only 4 turtles in the world who can walk, talk, and perform martial arts.

[FearlessLeader]

I have two thoughts:

1) I still think people are flipping out WAY too much about this when we have next to no actually information

2) Megan Fox's character was just about the only thing I liked about the first 2 Transformers films so I have no issue with an April like her.

[PizzaFan87]

The Nick cartoon will keep the Mutant origin: http://blog.viacom.com/2012/03/scenes-from-the-nickelodeon-upfront/

[Jester]

The Nick cartoon will keep the Mutant origin: http://blog.viacom.com/2012/03/scenes-from-the-nickelodeon-upfront/
Aside from Yoshi being Splinter...which is borrowed from FW.

(reads that article closely) I know this is the one that said "alien planet" but it also says the movie is sans "Teenage Mutant". But where do you see the Nick too keeps Mirage (or at least normal Turtles mutated by alien ooze) origin?

[CyberCubed]

It's a sad day when scumbags who don't care about the source material think they can turn the Turtles into anything they want.

The bizarre thing is since this is a movie that means more people will see it than the comics or cartoons. Why would Viacom approve this?

The comics and the show seem to respect the source material an old stuff, what do these people in charge of the movie think they're doing?

[Samhain]

It's a sad day when scumbags who don't care about the source material think they can turn the Turtles into anything they want.

The bizarre thing is since this is a movie that means more people will see it than the comics or cartoons. Why would Viacom approve this?

The comics and the show seem to respect the source material an old stuff, what do these people in charge of the movie think they're doing?

Oh my lord. You can't be serious. All this over a 20 second clip?

[CyberCubed]

Oh my lord. You can't be serious. All this over a 20 second clip?

They dropped the "Teenage Mutant" from the movie title. That means instead of mutants they can make them aliens.

The signs are all adding up. Sounds like this movie is going to be awful.

[Jester]

Oh my lord. You can't be serious. All this over a 20 second clip?
I agree. I may be miffed about the (potential) alien angle, and it may be a deal breaker for me seeing the movie opening weekend, but come on cubed is this really helping?

[CyberCubed]

I agree. I may be miffed about the (potential) alien angle, and it may be a deal breaker for me seeing the movie opening weekend, but come on cubed is this really helping?

Why would anyone accept this? It's awful. I'll see the movie just to see what it's like but this new origin is god awful and does harm to the comics and cartoons.

[Machias Banshee]

But you're condemning a movie we know NOTHING about yet... You always jump the gun like this. I wouldn't assume Anything until we've actually SEEN something, not just read a two line blurb from some random blogger who has ZERO involvement in the movie...

[Cowabunga Carl]

Why would anyone accept this? It's awful. I'll see the movie just to see what it's like but this new origin is god awful and does harm to the comics and cartoons.

How exactly does it harm the cartoon or comics? I'm pretty sure what is out already wont change or be taken from you. I mean I don't think Viacom is going to send thugs to take my collection. So I'm pretty sure if I want to read the Mirage origin I can, watch the FW origin, IDW origin got that too so what exactly are they in danger of?

See this is what I am trying to say, regardless of what they do we will still have what we like. Maybe the new movie wont be your cup of tea but it doesn't ruin anything that came before.

[CyberCubed]

But you're condemning a movie we know NOTHING about yet... You always jump the gun like this. I wouldn't assume Anything until we've actually SEEN something, not just read a two line blurb from some random blogger who has ZERO involvement in the movie...

But isn't it telling the alien thing is the first thing they mentioned? Also notice how the IDW and Nick shows have nothing to do with the turtles being aliens.

Why defend a movie that destroys the very essence the franchise is about? What's next, the Turtles take April to their home planet?

[azrael]

Maybe its not to late for the Dawn of the Ninja script?

[FearlessLeader]

But isn't it telling the alien thing is the first thing they mentioned? Also notice how the IDW and Nick shows have nothing to do with the turtles being aliens.

Why defend a movie that destroys the very essence the franchise is about? What's next, the Turtles take April to their home planet?

I just think you need to have slightly more information before you completely write everything off.

You are making a lot of assumptions about one sentence and then here-say from a few other sources.

And you know what at this point this might be the best or the most terrible Turtles film ever made, the simply fact is we don't know enough.

I mean before IDW started their comic line you have to admit if some confusing bit about reincarnation had gotten out instead of us all being introduced to it within the context of the story people would have been flipping out most likely as they are now. Perception is everything.

Just let things play out for a while longer see what is actually going on. Once you have concrete proof of something if you want to flip out then by all means please do.

[Jester]

I mean before IDW started their comic line you have to admit if some confusing bit about reincarnation had gotten out instead of us all being introduced to it within the context of the story people would have been flipping out most likely as they are now. Perception is everything.
This is probably the most cogent thing I've read about the whole issue. Not that it makes my mild righteous indignation at this rewriting of the origin, but it remind me that despite my initial balking, I'll be sure to keep up with the updates to see if they redeem this idea that at face value makes me want to do this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/TMNTFFFUUU.jpg

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?

Pearl Harbor sucks, and I miss you....

I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of "maybe alien doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial". But why would he have said it then?:x

[Andrew NDB]

I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of "maybe alien doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial". But why would he have said it then?:x

Actually that's a good question to ask. I just watched the clip in question finally myself and he does seem to light up a bit as he says it, like, "Guuuesss what we're doing... I'll give you a tease: ALIENS! That's all I'll give you for now, HAH."

[PizzaFan87]

Aside from Yoshi being Splinter...which is borrowed from FW.

(reads that article closely) I know this is the one that said "alien planet" but it also says the movie is sans "Teenage Mutant". But where do you see the Nick too keeps Mirage (or at least normal Turtles mutated by alien ooze) origin?

Another tidbit he offered up is that the Turtles origin story has been updated, from the decidedly 80s radioactive waste accident to an alien planet. The “teenage mutant” remains intact, however, for the brand-new CG-animated TMNT series debuting on Nickelodeon this fall

All the article says is that the Nick cartoon is still "teenage mutant" meaning that the Turtles are definitely mutants. The movie is going in a different direction.

[Kendamu]

It's really hard to not take it at face value and interpret it the way the rest of the Internet is reporting on it, but I'm really trying to hang back and not wholly assume that the Turtles are aliens without hearing anything else first.

[Slap-Happy]

All the article says is that the Nick cartoon is still "teenage mutant" meaning that the Turtles are definitely mutants. The movie is going in a different direction.
I doubt that. I think that Michael had just referred to the movie as a "ninja turtles" movie. This blogger probably thought that the title was literally "Ninja Turtles"

Also, being called "Ninja Turtles" doesn't automatically mean no mutants. Next Mutation, anyone?

[Jester]

Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?

Pearl Harbor sucks, and I miss you....

How could I miss that potentially hilarious reference!

[Andrew NDB]

If he had said the aliens comment as one of many things in a blurb about what they're doing with the Turtles in the movie it might be easy for me to do what I instinctively want to do, which is say, "Oh, we're misinterpreting him" (i.e., my early theory about, "Oh, he just probably means aliens/Utroms play a bigger/direct role in the Turtles' mutation"). But it's really the only thing he's throwing out there in that blurb, and rather playfully so, so objectively it does seem pretty damning to that end.

That said, the more I think about it, the less I'm willing to condemn the movie if it turns out they're aliens. I won't like that aspect, I will think it's lazy and maybe even a bit disrespectful to the core concept of the Turtles... even displaying a kind of cavalier attitude toward audiences a bit like "Aw, who even cares about the Turtles' origins"... and at the very least, it's getting early hype about the movie off to a truly awful start... but...

If at the end of the day Bay and company deliver a movie with ass-kicking Ninja Turtles at a level that has never been seen before on the big screen... I think I'd be willing to forgive a lot.

But then there's that comment about making the Turtles "loveable"... screw it, where's my pitchfork?

[Slap-Happy]

Also notice how the IDW and Nick shows have nothing to do with the turtles being aliens.
That's one reason not to get so damn worked up about this. The two big things to come out of the Viacom sale are things that kept the basic parts of the origin.

Don't take everything at face value. You're freaking out because Michael Bay said something retarted that might have just been him misinterpreting something or knowing next to nothing about the movie he's producing (you know, like the other Platinum Dunes films).

[CyberCubed]

The problem is more people, as in the general public, will go see a TMNT movie in theaters over reading the comics or watching the cartoons.

Its the same with any superhero movie. You think most of those people who see the Spiderman/X-men/Batman movies in theaters then go to their nearest comic store to pick up comics and watch the old cartoons? Of course not, the only people who do that are already the hardcore fans.

The Turtles being aliens is a horrible thing to put into the mindset of people. There's already huge backlash about this on every movie/comic site, just read the comment sections of the articles.

Its also perplexing why Viacom would allow a movie to go in this direction when they seem to have such a tight grip on the IDW comics and cartoon, and seem to be handling those well.

[Jester]

You know reading CyberCubed's rants only makes me start to assume more and more that Michael Bay didn't have a flipping clue what the heck he was talking about.

[PizzaFan87]

This blogger probably thought that the title was literally "Ninja Turtles"

That's the official Viacom blog. Viacom owns Paramount. So, if he says that the movie is simply called "Ninja Turtles" then there has to be some truth behind it.

Also, being called "Ninja Turtles" doesn't automatically mean no mutants. Next Mutation, anyone?

Yeah, but the word "mutation" was in the title.

[CyberCubed]

You know reading CyberCubed's rants only makes me start to assume more and more that Michael Bay didn't have a flipping clue what the heck he was talking about.

I think everyone just hopes Michael Bay is an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. Because if otherwise....GOOD GOD.

[Jester]

It's you're "Would Viacom really make a change this big and unwarranted?" question that makes me think the answer is, "No, they wouldn't. That's be totally stupid."

[Slap-Happy]

That's the official Viacom blog. Viacom owns Paramount. So, if he says that the movie is simply called "Ninja Turtles" then there has to be some truth behind it.
Even so, the blogger is an outsider. He is not involved with the movie. He's writing only from what he saw at the presentation.

Yeah, but the word "mutation" was in the title.

Wow, I'm retarted.

[FearlessLeader]

Even so, the blogger is an outsider. He is not involved with the movie. He's writing only from what he saw at the presentation.


This was the way I saw that blog post too. Like just some guy throwing out what he thought about what he saw. It didn't seem like he had any secret information or knowledge just an opinion.

[Slap-Happy]

This was the way I saw that blog post too. Like just some guy throwing out what he thought about what he saw. It didn't seem like he had any secret information or knowledge just an opinion.
Yeah, sort of like a description of a Con panel or something.

[FearlessLeader]

Yeah, sort of like a description of a Con panel or something.

I mean does anyone even know if this guy actually works for Viacom, or is he just some freelancer they hired to do a write up for the event. There's still too many "what-ifs" here. I need concrete proof before I will commit to my emotions on what they are doing!

[Jester]

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Oh, sooo much neck beard!
NSFW language...and neck beard.

[Leonardo87]

I want to mention that if it's just called 'Ninja Turtles' I am down with it; did anyone know that Kevin was the one who wanted that named but Pete added 'Teenage Mutant' to add to the flow/rhythm?

[Donnie]

The more I hear about this alien thing the more I get upset! :ohwell:

Why did that have to be the only thing he said practically? Like Andrew said, he doesn't drop much, but he drops that they are from an alien race...gahhh.

[PizzaFan87]

Even so, the blogger is an outsider. He is not involved with the movie. He's writing only from what he saw at the presentation.

This was the way I saw that blog post too. Like just some guy throwing out what he thought about what he saw. It didn't seem like he had any secret information or knowledge just an opinion.

I mean does anyone even know if this guy actually works for Viacom, or is he just some freelancer they hired to do a write up for the event.

I don't think Viacom would want false or misleading information to come from their camp. If the title "Ninja Turtles" was incorrect they would have posted a correction. So, as it stands, that's most likely the title.

[Jester]

I don't think Viacom would want false or misleading information to come from their camp. If the title "Ninja Turtles" was incorrect they would have posted a correction. So, as it stands, that's most likely the title.
Using that logic, they'd correct Bay if the turtles weren't "from an alien race".


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[raphaelprime]

I don't think Viacom would want false or misleading information to come from their camp. If the title "Ninja Turtles" was incorrect they would have posted a correction. So, as it stands, that's most likely the title.

Title could be anything at this point. Movies, just like shows and cartoons, go through multiple names before being released. So at this point, it could be simply called "Ninja Turtles" but when released actually be called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: (whatever)"

As for the alien race news, i'm not buying into it. I think it's just misinformation. Bay's involved, Paramount/Viacom is involved, i say they're just treating it like Transformers 2 and 3. I mean, Bay said Megatron wouldn't be in Revenge of the Fallen.

[Jester]

As for the alien race news, I'm not buying into it. I think it's just misinformation. Bay's involved, Paramount/Viacom is involved, i say they're just treating it like Transformers 2 and 3. I mean, Bay said Megatron wouldn't be in Revenge of the Fallen.

During production, Bay attempted to create a misinformation campaign to increase debate over what Transformers would be appearing in the film, as well as to try to throw fans off from the story of the film. However, Orci confessed it had generally not been working. The studio went as far as to censor MTV and Comic Book Resources interviews with Mowry and Furman, who confirmed Arcee and The Fallen would be in the picture. Bay told Empire that Megatron would not be resurrected, claiming his new tank form was a toy-only character, only for Orci to confirm Megatron would return in the film in February 2009. Bay also claimed he faked the leaking of daily call sheets from the first week of filming, that revealed Ramón Rodríguez's casting, and the appearance of Jetfire and the twins.
Well what do you know...thanks Prime.

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EDIT: been reading the IMDB forum about this, and someone brings up a good point if these turtles are from an alien race, like Bay said, then what the heck does that mean for Splinter?

[ToTheNines]

been reading the IMDB forum about this, and someone brings up a good point if these turtles are from an alien race, like Bay said, then what the heck does that mean for Splinter?

I brought that up here a couple days ago. Not that I'm freaking out, because I doubt they'd leave Splinter out of a TMNT movie... but if they did, I'd never ever watch it.

[Oculus Orbus]

This retard has written an article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/mar/19/michael-bay-ninja-turtles-aliens) on The Guardian, wich is one the biggest papers over here. It's plain stupid and the guy desn't know jack about the TMNT, but that thing is gonna be read by a lot of people.

[BubblyShell22]

I'm not going to panic just yet. I say we wait and see. To me, it sounds as though Bay is misleading us into thinking that the Turtles are going to be from an alien planet, so I'd calm down, folks. Though if Splinter is axed from the movie, you can bet I'll be steamed.

[Luzmagica]

This retard has written an article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/mar/19/michael-bay-ninja-turtles-aliens) on The Guardian, wich is one the biggest papers over here. It's plain stupid and the guy desn't know jack about the TMNT, but that thing is gonna be read by a lot of people.

I was to post about Im not going to be scared about previous info/news....maybe they only want controversia/discuss...as publicity/advertising of the Movie....but.....That article....is....scaring....itself.....! :tcouch: :tsad:

[Xav]

This retard has written an article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/mar/19/michael-bay-ninja-turtles-aliens) on The Guardian, wich is one the biggest papers over here. It's plain stupid and the guy desn't know jack about the TMNT, but that thing is gonna be read by a lot of people. I don't get what your talking about. I didn't see anything wrong in that article.

[Oculus Orbus]

I don't get what your talking about. I didn't see anything wrong in that article.

The Turtle in the picture is Mike, not Raph; the film series didn't "quickly descend into CGI irrelevancies", it took 17 years; the turtles didn't "came about because they were exposed to radioactive material", it was actually an alien ooze in their first incarnation.

And then, you've got things like:

The original cartoons are almost unwatchably jerky.

Well, whatever.

I'm glad this alien thing is getting negative publicity, but I just find the whole article awful.

[Xav]

Granted the ooze is often called radioactive waste even on wikipedia and tmntpedia. And Kevin Eastman called it radioactive ooze.

[syk_skillz]

The Turtle in the picture is Mike, not Raph; the film series didn't "quickly descend into CGI irrelevancies", it took 17 years; the turtles didn't "came about because they were exposed to radioactive material", it was actually an alien ooze in their first incarnation.


That is Raphael...you can tell by threat his head is shaped and the foot in the background. That is were he was about to be jumped on the rooftop

[azrael]

it was actually an alien ooze in their first incarnation.

Didnt the utroms say that it was Radioactive waste from their planet?

[Oculus Orbus]

That is Raphael...you can tell by threat his head is shaped and the foot in the background. That is were he was about to be jumped on the rooftop

Yeah I think you're right. The bandana just looks so orange.

Didnt the utroms say that it was Radioactive waste from their planet?

The Utroms referred to it as a "Mutagenic Agent", but I can't recall them saying it was any sort of waste from their planet. I might wrong, tho.

[azrael]

If I am not mistaken that is why they were trying to get rid of it. Its been a min though.

[Donnie]

At least people are getting wind and don't like the idea..

[Bob]

I really want to see the rest of that clip. There was obviously much more said.

It's a sad day when scumbags who don't care about the source material think they can turn the Turtles into anything they want.

Why's Michael Bay a scumbag, exactly? This is why "fanboys" get such a bad rap.

[ToTheNines]

I really want to see the rest of that clip. There was obviously much more said.

Mhm. Very ironic that the event was called "Nickelodeon Upfront" but no one from Viacom has been upfront about any of this.

[Bob]

Mhm. Very ironic that the event was called "Nickelodeon Upfront" but no one from Viacom has been upfront about any of this.

I just find it strange. Why was only that little 15 second snippet revealed? More was obviously filmed. Does anyone know where the footage originated from? The presentation probably lasted for a good ten minutes.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

This retard has written an article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/mar/19/michael-bay-ninja-turtles-aliens) on The Guardian, wich is one the biggest papers over here. It's plain stupid and the guy desn't know jack about the TMNT, but that thing is gonna be read by a lot of people.

Wait a second, are they really dropping the "Teenage Mutant" part of the title for the movie???:teek:

[FearlessLeader]

Just curious in a general way:

If the Turtle are not aliens, just their origin is and it's pretty close to what we have usually seen will people still be up in arms if they change the title to just "Ninja Turtles"??

Just personally while I honestly don't like the alien idea, it really doesn't matter to me if they just called the film Ninja Turtles.

[Andrew NDB]

Just curious in a general way:

If the Turtle are not aliens, just their origin is and it's pretty close to what we have usually seen will people still be up in arms if they change the title to just "Ninja Turtles"??

Just personally while I honestly don't like the alien idea, it really doesn't matter to me if they just called the film Ninja Turtles.

I've always been for changing the title to "Ninja Turtles." But only if the material within the movie suitably justifies the greater emphasis on "Ninja." If it's a kiddy camp fest, just leave it as-is, I say.

[CyberCubed]

This movie is shaping up to be the worst thing to happen to the TMNT franchise since Next Mutation.

[Bob]

I've always been for changing the title to "Ninja Turtles." But only if the material within the movie suitably justifies the greater emphasis on "Ninja." If it's a kiddy camp fest, just leave it as-is, I say.

I would assume that the title change is not just because they’re aliens (if that ends up being the case), but also because they want to give them an edgier and more mature feel. Obviously having “Teenage” in the title will sort of back them into a corner, because no matter what the characters would have to at least act from time to time like conventional teenagers. Getting rid of the “Teenage” means that they don’t have to worry about that.

[ToTheNines]

This movie is shaping up to be the worst thing to happen to the TMNT franchise since Next Mutation.

Your definition of "shaping up" is odd. We don't really know anything at this point.

[CyberCubed]

Every new detail leads to the worst case scenario.

[Toby Barrett]

You drive it to the worst case scenario.

[Baxter Stockmen]

I hate jumping to conclusion. So I'll just wait for a trailer.

[Oculus Orbus]

If they really make them into aliens, I won't care about the title. I mean, technically speaking, they won't even be turtles anymore.

[Baxter Stockmen]

If they really make them into aliens, I won't care about the title. I mean, technically speaking, they won't even be turtles anymore.

True. Turtle-like aliens.

[Killer Moth]

True. Turtle-like aliens.

http://youtu.be/lVII3jslO2o

Like these guys, starting around 2:00. Except they actually make you drink blazing electric death.

(For those unsure about the link, it's the aliens in the movie, Laserblast, or the last MST3K episode on Comedy Central.)

[Knight_man]

Bay is known to be a fall guy for tidbits of info to be spread early in a films development. He did it with transformers to gauge reaction. They are probably doing it with this film to. He is also known to give false info to keep story/plot points secret as well. I take this with a grain of salt until the movie gets closer to release.

And i have no problem taking the "teenage mutant" out of the title as long as they stay true to the origin stories. I personally am liking the new IDW Comics stories the best.

[Leonardo87]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?10389-Ninja-turtles This just recently came up. He mentions he is working with one of the original creators which I am sure it is Kevin; so the alien race just got out of hand and most likely he was referring to the Utroms.

[TurtleTitan97]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?10389-Ninja-turtles This just recently came up. He mentions he is working with one of the original creators which I am sure it is Kevin; so the alien race just got out of hand and most likely he was referring to the Utroms.

That's already been posted, I'm afraid.

[Peanut]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?10389-Ninja-turtles This just recently came up. He mentions he is working with one of the original creators which I am sure it is Kevin; so the alien race just got out of hand and most likely he was referring to the Utroms.

I hope this settles things down a bit. I've followed the whole thing from the outside instead of diving into this cesspool and it's been absolutely ridiculous.

[Leonardo87]

I just noticed that after as I looked at the other trending topic of this matter.

[Slap-Happy]

Can someone merge the two threads? It's pretty much the exact same conversation going on.

[Andrew NDB]

Can someone merge the two threads? It's pretty much the exact same conversation going on.

I agree. It's becoming a bit confusing now.

[Jester]

Motion made and seconded...who's for the merger?

[ToTheNines]

I'd rather see the one with the typo laden title just get locked.

[Kendamu]

Like I said on Page 1 of the other thread, this is already being discussed here!

A merger or a lock would be nice just to simplify things.