Michal bays new movie might be Teenage Alien Ninja turtles

[TurtleMaster4]

Sorry dudes i hate to complain about things before i see them, i just can't resist, Michael bay is making the turtles aliens. this is terrible! i wonder what else he will do to them, don't believe me, check out this link. :tcry: http://www.stuffwelike.com/2012/03/16/michael-bay-talks-teenage-mutant-
ninja-turtles/


so what do you guys think of this.

[Jephael]

Ever since it was announced Michael Bay had a hand in the film relaunch, I knew something bad would come of it!

[ToTheNines]

God dammit.

Are we really gonna have to hear all this unwarranted Michael Bay hate for the next 2 years? HE DID NOT WRITE THE ****ING SCRIPT! He's not even directing. Viacom had him show off that previs stuff because he's a big name in Hollywood and they want this movie to be a success. Of course they'd rather have him pimping the movie out rather than some other dude from Platinum Dunes that no one's ever heard of in their life.

That being said, this alien business is going to really rub me the wrong way if Utroms are not involved.

[Bmaga123]

Maybe Michael Bay wasnt aware of the TMNT back story and just assumed they were another race from a different planet like the Transformers LOL. I really hope this is the case or I will be very dissapointed :tmad:

[tmntgeoff]

Maybe Michael Bay wasnt aware of the TMNT back story and just assumed they were another race from a different planet like the Transformers LOL. I really hope this is the case or I will be very dissapointed :tmad:

this is what im thinking too. he probably doesnt know anything about tmnt and just said that

[Bob]

This thread title is very misleading, not to mention exceedingly premature. Michael Bay never said such a thing. We don't really know anything yet. Calm down.

[Logan]

Bay says they are "from an alien race", which could merely mean that they are the product of alien experiments, which is kind of true in the context of the comics (though it was accidental).

[Bob]

Bay says they are "from an alien race", which could merely mean that they are the product of alien experiments, which is kind of true in the context of the comics (though it was accidental).

True. I think that the ooze that mutates them is what comes from another planet. Maybe Earth-bound turtles get "infused" with the DNA of another race that resemble humanoid turtles?

[Powder]

This thread title is very misleading, not to mention exceedingly premature. Michael Bay never said such a thing. We don't really know anything yet. Calm down.

^^^



Can somebody just delete this thread to avoid further confusion/negativity/stupidity?

[Ninjinister]

Different continuity, different rules.

idgaf

[CyberCubed]

Wow there goes all hope for a good movie.

Why do talentless hacks feel the need to change things that don't need to be changed?

[Jephael]

Wow, for the first time I agree with CyberCubed!

Can somebody just delete this thread to avoid further confusion/negativity/stupidity?

Quit trying to silence everyone you don't agree with! People are allowed to express their concerns.

[Kendamu]

Already being discussed.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=36846

[Andrew NDB]

God dammit.

Are we really gonna have to hear all this unwarranted Michael Bay hate for the next 2 years? HE DID NOT WRITE THE ****ING SCRIPT! He's not even directing.

But it's pretty painfully clear that Michael Bay operates as a producer in the same fashion that George Lucas "produces" movies like Red Tails. He basically directed that and the director was his voice box... a ton of directors operate like that and everything I've read of Bay indicates he's a guy that likes to be in control of pretty much every facet of a production.

Which isn't to say this movie will be bad because of Bay. I don't think I've ever seen a Bay movie that wasn't entertaining, except maybe the very boring and nonsensical Transformers 2.

[joe-eyeball]

Even though I am not a big Michael Bay fan, what he said could be interpreted a number of ways. Technically the Turtles' origins do connect directly to an alien race. Maybe he fumbled his words or really just didnt care otherwise. Seems to me he was just briefly trying to hype a future project. It is much too early to draw any concrete conclusions and go into panic mode.

[ToTheNines]

People are allowed to express their concerns.

But you realize they're concerns based upon one sentence spoken by a man who isn't directing, writing, or even producing (he's EP, different thing) the ****ing movie, right?

And who knows, you might like that change. The new origin might not even affect the plot that much. And if you don't like it, no one's stopping you from popping the first movie in your DVD player. But I bet you peckers would like to blame Michael Bay for that too.

[CyberCubed]

Wow it makes me wonder what the original script was that PL liked.

[Andrew NDB]

But you realize they're concerns based upon one sentence spoken by a man who isn't directing, writing, or even producing (he's EP, different thing) the ****ing movie, right?

But again, it's very, very common for producers of Bay's stature to get their fingers into pretty much every aspect of a production he's involved in. There's a long established precedent for it in Hollywood, in fact, and Bay is not the passive type.

[ToTheNines]

But again, it's very, very common for producers of Bay's stature to get his fingers into pretty much every aspect of a production he's involved in. There's a long established precedent for it in Hollywood, in fact.

I was under the impression that he had next to nothing to do with the Platinum Dunes horror movies.

[CyberCubed]

I don't doubt the Turtles will be aliens. They said in the link they updated the origin from the radioactive waste product.

It's bizarre and changes everything the franchise is about. Talk about a slap in the face to fans.

[ToTheNines]

It's bizarre and changes everything the franchise is about. Talk about a slap in the face to fans.

Drama queen.

Depending on how they write it, it could end up being quite similar despite the origin being totally reworked.

However, my main concern (if this alien business happens to be "worst case scenario") is what's Splinter's deal? Does there just so happen to be a race of Rat people living on a sister planet?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't doubt the Turtles will be aliens. They said in the link they updated the origin from the radioactive waste product.

It's bizarre and changes everything the franchise is about. Talk about a slap in the face to fans.

The idea, kind of like the IDW change-ups, are probably to make the TMNT's origin for some purpose (which will doubtlessly connect to whoever the main villain of the story will be, probably Krang... "I made you, Turtles! I can unmake you!" blah blah blah, I can see it now) rather than just a chance occurrence/freak accident.

For some reason that seems to bother people outside of Kevin and Peter, the origin as just a random thing. But you listen to them talk and they seem to regard it as a pretty definitive aspect of what makes them who they are -- you know, they just are.

[CyberCubed]

The idea, kind of like the IDW change-ups, are probably to make the TMNT's origin for some purpose (which will doubtlessly connect to whoever the main villain of the story will be, probably Krang... "I made you, Turtles! I can unmake you!" blah blah blah, I can see it now) rather than just a chance occurrence/freak accident.

For some reason that seems to bother people outside of Kevin and Peter, the origin as just a random thing. But you listen to them talk and they seem to regard it as a pretty definitive aspect of what makes them who they are -- you know, they just are.

But this implies the Turtles are already intelligent, sentinent beings instead of being turtles that get mutated.

I suppose they should retitle the movie, "Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles."

[ToTheNines]

But this implies the Turtles are already intelligent, sentinent beings instead of being turtles that get mutated.

Put a Superman spin on it and they're good to go.

[Toby Barrett]

They can fly the Turtle Blimp at super speeds, reversing the planet's rotation! :lol:

[Baxter Stockmen]

I'm really just hoping it was him being ignorant and assumed they had to be aliens. :tconfuse:

Sure they may want to reinvent the turtles, but making them aliens is just plain lazy in my opinion.

[Bob]

However, my main concern (if this alien business happens to be "worst case scenario") is what's Splinter's deal? Does there just so happen to be a race of Rat people living on a sister planet?

Yeah, where will Splinter fit into all this?

[CyberCubed]

Put a Superman spin on it and they're good to go.

So the Turtles come from a race of Turtle people now?

Perhaps the writers got the inspiration of this movie from the Planet of the Turtles episode of Season 4 of the old show.

Will we also be seeing the return of Rupert the Turtle salesman?

[ToTheNines]

I'm surprised no one's drawn comparison to Slash from TMNTA.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm not taking what Bay is saying as good fish before someone more credible confirms it, the dude can make good explosions, that's it.

This thread is prematurely dumb.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised no one's drawn comparison to Slash from TMNTA.

I don't think people mind the idea of alien turtle planets or alternate dimensions with turtle people.

But our Turtles are from Earth, they aren't aliens or humans.

[Killer Moth]

If we do end up with a more alien origin, then what Dr.Spengler wrote in his review for the first Mirage issue becomes more prophetic than ever:

"This very first TMNT issue is, of course, the genesis of the franchise. I mean, all the movies and cartoons and other comics have done their own variation of this story; it’s as vital to the characters as "Superman and Krypton" or "Batman and depressing childhood trauma". Though one thing you have to keep in mind is that it was originally conceived as a one-shot parody of Frank Miller’s “Daredevil” (that was supposed to be Matt Murdok getting beaned in the eyes with the ooze canister) with some “X-Men” mixed in for good measure. So with that in mind, it’s kind of a weird story.

"Firstly, the “Daredevil” bit is pretty in-your-face if you’re even remotely acquainted with the character and his origin. It can be a little distracting. I mean, try to imagine if the Turtles’ origin went like this: “The Turtles stowed away on a spaceship carrying an infant, which crash-landed in a small town in Kansas, the yellow rays of the sun turning them into humanoid mutants”. Honestly, it’s more or less the same thing, just with Daredevil."

Link: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2009/05/tmnt-vol-1-1.html

It's also a good observation, as his Superman analogy kept popping in my head when I first read the new movie plot details. So, instead, one superhero origin might be swapped for another, albeit with quite different circumstances and outcomes. As long as we keep the original comic parody in mind, it may not be as insufferable as it sounds now (plus, as Andrew and others mentioned, an alien race's waste by-product did jump-start the whole process). To be generous, such a plotpoint is only taking the alien aspect to their origin to its absolute extreme. Personally speaking, I'm not crazy about the idea, but I can understand it if rationalized in such a manner.

[Baxter Stockmen]

Drama queen.

Depending on how they write it, it could end up being quite similar despite the origin being totally reworked.

However, my main concern (if this alien business happens to be "worst case scenario") is what's Splinter's deal? Does there just so happen to be a race of Rat people living on a sister planet?

Good point. Then it gets to the point where they're diverting too much time and effort to just make the origin story. But if they do it as good as batman begins did then I'll be happy. But they are no Christopher Nolan.

[Redeemer]

Maybe Michael Bay wasnt aware of the TMNT back story and just assumed they were another race from a different planet like the Transformers LOL. I really hope this is the case or I will be very dissapointed :tmad:

I am hoping for this.....If they make TMNT aliens I will really dissapointed....

[Powder]

Quit trying to silence everyone you don't agree with! People are allowed to express their concerns.

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[Xav]

Perhaps the writers got the inspiration of this movie from the Planet of the Turtles episode of Season 4 of the old show. Or from Planet of the Turtleoids from season 5. Or maybe, Casey Jones: Outlaw Hero from season 3.
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[Andrew NDB]

If anything, I would bet it's Krang bringing in a bunch of animals to make a mutant army on Earth (an excuse so they can quickly involve other mutants like Bebop, Rocksteady, etc.) for his own ends, but the Rat Mutant does a Caesar "No!" and escapes with the Turtles. Ninjitsu and the Foot Clan (Bay was doing demo fighting with Foot fighters as long ago as over a year) must figure into things somehow, but who knows.

[ToTheNines]

That would be so Crash Bandicoot. And not in a good way.

[Jester]

That one sentence will haunt me all day.

"These Turtles are from an alien race..."

Is accidental dousing with radioactive ooze really that passè?

[CyberCubed]

There goes all hope of this being a good movie. Why don't they make Batman an alienin the reboot after Nolan's trilogy ends. It's the same deal.

[TurtleMaster4]

This thread title is very misleading, not to mention exceedingly premature. Michael Bay never said such a thing. We don't really know anything yet. Calm down.


yea sorry dudes i guess it is misleading, i wasn't thinking at all when i typed it, i guess turtles from another planet would have been a better way at putting it, and i guess it really isn't bays faught too, if this is true, is there any way to change the title, my guess is no

[Killer Moth]

That one sentence will haunt me all day.

"These Turtles are from an alien race..."

Is accidental dousing with radioactive ooze really that passè?

It's more the standards involviing "suspension of disbelief" has changed over the years. The Silver Age comics tend to do quirks of fates in their origins (Spider-Man, Daredevil, Incredible Hulk), whereas, modern day audiences are shifting to more realistic fare or tend to believe such accidential origins could only work through contrivences. "Chet just happened to be there holding the turtles when the canister just happened to hit the bowl, and so forth." The rest, as many on here have noticed, it's trying to make the Turtles more special or connected than they are. (For a character take, note SOTO's Don's reaction when he discovered their origin was truly an accident.)

A comic example would be John Byrne's Chapter One with Spider-Man. He wanted to cut down the amount of atomic explosions which created quite a few Marvel characters. It didn't quite work, but in theory, that's the direction modern storytelling seems to take and increasing so in recent years.

[Jester]

So accidents are too contrived and unrealistic, but everything in the book being completely interconnected isn't?

I'll never understand modern storytelling logic.

(NOTE: this isn't meant to be snarky at you, Moth, but the industry.)

[Killer Moth]

So accidents are too contrived, but everything in the book being completely interconnected isn't?

I'll never understand modern storytelling logic.

Interesting way to looking at it, but I don't disagree. The other theory being the "simple vs. complex" form of storytelling, as modern storytelling tends to take the latter (and often becomes too complicated or convoluted). Even so, the Mirage origin actually has both (the simple with the Turtles' mutation; the complex with the Yoshi/Shen/Nagi love triangle and its blowback), a rather nice melding of the two. Meanwhile, how the premise will treat the Yoshi/Shen/Nagi love triangle, as that tends to involve the most change for obvious reasons, will be the most telling. The first movie did a good job streamlining it, while the 87 series omitted quite a bit, etc. We'll see, as that is key for their motivation, regardless of being space or sewer Turtles.

Anyway, TurtleMaster4's point is valid, as we just got the one plot detail and how much we should panic over it. Then again, we got the time to navel gaze now, as opposed to later. Between the new Nicktoon and leaked and actual in-depth movie plot details, we'll be keeping busy.

Edit: No offense taken, at all, Jester. The industry has that effect on me, too. I appreciate the addendum, though.

[CyberCubed]

As soon as Michael Bay came into the movie I knew everything would go downhill.

[TurtleTitan97]

Aliens? Their suppose to be MUTANTS. You know, freaks of nature, product of science gone wrong, outcasts, that sort of stuff. But aliens? Yeah they were created because of an alien product, but they aren't aliens. Doesn't Bay know this? I am still excited, though now I am more uneasy about this film...

[Brodie]

This is the most retarded ****ing thread I've seen in a long time.

[jaymq]

Made a page.. eh, like if you want and share your thoughts http://www.facebook.com/BoycottBayturtles

Clarifying a few things:

I made this page cause _I_ felt he has no place dealing in a turtles movie. If you feel differently, that's all you and I could care less. But don't come to the page just to start crap with me. I -can- block people from the page. I prefer not to, but if people are gonna be twats about it, I will take advantage of the option.

[The Stryker]

Wow. It just gets dumber doesn't it?

He's just an executive producer. Calm the f*ck down.

[Cure]

You're all so Goddamned quick to blow your loads, holy sh*t.

Minute men, the lot of you.

[ToTheNines]

Minute men, the lot of you.

I've always liked the phrase "five pump chump".

[Jester]

Look another case of "Know what's gonna be said before the thread it opened."

Brodie and Stryker already said their piece, so who would of thunk Cure would get in on the fun?

The correct answer is "Everyone."

[The Stryker]

Oh please. Shut it. This whole thing is ridiculous.

[Brodie]

Say what you will about the three of us posting around the same time about stuff like this,but don't question if I'm a fan of the turtles or not--that Turtle tattoo I have would require much more explaining if I didn't like them.

But this is another case of fans overreacting to what is essentially not news.

Bay is a goddamned idiot, no question. Its been said in this thread that Bay was pushed out to talk about Turtles because he's a huge name, especially in relationship to what essentially equates to "toy movies." He's tied to exec producer. Shock and gasps. He was on the other Platinum Dune flicks too. You know what that means he did? SHoveled out money. He knew NOTHING of what was going on with any of those movies.

The mother ****er walked out of Friday the 13th, because he stated there was too much sex in the movie.

MICHAEL GODDAMNED BAY said this. And he produced it, so clearly he would have knowledge of something like that, right? Being in the script. Then the editing. Etcetera. But he didn't. Because he ****ing does NOTHING with movies he produces. Those movies might not be popular, but he didn't really touch them.

So am I worried about Bay being involved with the Turtles? No. Because he's an idiot who makes 3 hour long music videos and says stupid **** constantly. He didn't know anything about the Turtles prior to the film being handled by his production company. So does it surprise me that he thinks they're aliens? No. "Its a toy movie right? Aliens, right?"

And the turtles have always had some sort of connection to alien-origin, with the ooze and such. Not really a stretch.

[Jester]

True, we are blowing one sentence from a guy who may have next to nothing to do with the film way out of the water, but it's a fan site, it's what we do.

I wish Nick/Paramount had done/will do 2 things:
1. Give Bay accurate information so he doesn't sound like a complete idiot when he stands up there and says things like they're from an alien race.
or
2. Come out and say Bay was talking out of his sphincter and reassure fans that they wouldn't do something that completely rewrites the origin needlessly.

[Dirty Blond]

I find Michael Bay to be a hack. He's not even ironically bad. He's just lousy.

[Cure]

Look another case of "Know what's gonna be said before the thread it opened."

Brodie and Stryker already said their piece, so who would of thunk Cure would get in on the fun?

The correct answer is "Everyone."

If you can give me a solid reason or justification for everyone being so quick to judge something that they know nothing of, I will secede. Otherwise, go tend to your troll wife. I'm sure being pregnant with your child has taken a toll on her well being, already.

[Jester]

I take him with a grain of salt. Sure he has had movies that are trash, but he's done some good (or at least entertaining) flicks. And besides his role will probably be very VERY minimal... unless Paramount/Viacom wants him to be more hands on since they like the Transformers flicks (I mean...they do make truckloads of cash, despite the quality.)

If you can give me a solid reason or justification for everyone being so quick to judge something that they know nothing of, I will secede. Otherwise, go tend to your troll wife. I'm sure being pregnant with your child has taken a toll on her well being, already.
I'd respond with the classic, "Welcome to the internet!" but that only seems to work as a valid argument in the video game forum...

[The Stryker]

True, we are blowing one sentence from a guy who may have next to nothing to do with the film way out of the water, but it's a fan site, it's what we do.

I wish Nick/Paramount had done/will do 2 things:
1. Give Bay accurate information so he doesn't sound like a complete idiot when he stands up there and says things like they're from an alien race.
or
2. Come out and say Bay was talking out of his sphincter and reassure fans that they wouldn't do something that completely rewrites the origin needlessly.


Just because "It's what 'we' do" doesn't mean it's any less overblown and stupid.

Expecting Paramount to come out and apologize for MICHAEL BAY's comments is crazy. It's insane to me that people here demand that these huge companies personally apologize and explain themselves with every step they take.

It's not going to happen. How about we just wait until the movie is closer to release and you know, NOT NEARLY TWO YEARS AWAY.

[Jester]

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[Kendamu]

Do you really not expect people to take the first bit of REAL news about this movie and turn it into a huge speculative discussion?

[sdp]

I don't like the idea at all but we don't even know much about the movie, I'll see how it plays out. Even with a radically different origin that doesn't mean I won't like the movie, I liked Batman Begins after all (more on that on my response below). I haven't really seen Michael Bay movies besides the first Transformers, now that is a franchise I don't care about and know nothing about but I enjoyed the movie for what it was, it took a concept I found silly and made something I was able to stomach. Way too early to doom the movie, don't overreact, it's ok to complain about it, I don't like the idea if they really are aliens but it doesn't doom the movie.


Z Why don't they make Batman an alienin the reboot after Nolan's trilogy ends. It's the same deal.

Batman Begins changed plenty of stuff from the Batman mythos for his reboot, for one he gave Bruce a love interest who he knew since he was a kid, he changed the movie theater to a normal theater, Bruce was about to use a gun to kill his parents killer, talk about a change on what the character is known to hate one of his most important character traits. Also he allows Ras to die in the train. And yet the movie was still great.

Come on, this is coming from you who have mentioned multiple times how you don't understand people who won't give the Nick toon a chance just from seeing the character models. Why are you having double standards?

[Jester]

Come on, this is coming from you who have mentioned multiple times how you don't understand people who won't give the Nick toon a chance just from seeing the character models. Why are you having double standards?
I've been batting this around in my mind, and the only explanation I can come up with is this is a fundamental, quite major, change to the established origin. I mean "Mutant" is in the title.

[CyberCubed]

Where the hell did they get the idea to make the turtles into aliens?

Its just absurd.

[Foot Soldier Clang]

If Micheal Bay is involved in the new TMNT, then I expect it to be a great visual movie, and that's all. If he gets the story right in anyway, I will consider it a bonus to what will probably be a great action-disaster movie. I also expect the Technodrome to appear to blow something up, or to be blown up.

We already got our near perfect adaptation of the comic. After that we got two sequels that feel like episodes of the OT, and a slightly-terrible-borderline-good CGI movie. Odds are we will never get a perfect adaptation of the comic, so we shouldn't waste hope for that. Let's just sit back and watch the turtles fight stuff, in slow motion, while things blow up. :tcool:

[TurtleTitan97]

I may not like the idea of the turtles as aliens, but I am still giving this movie a chance. I'm not going to make this news make me miss the turtles coming back to the big screen,not after the comeback their trying to make. I guess we will have to wait until we see concept art or an interview. But I wonder, if the turtles are going to be like aliens(and that's a big IF), what about Master Splinter? Where will he fit in all this?

[Baxter Stockmen]

It's hard not to take him saying they're aliens as a big deal. Them being mutant is so far away from being alien that even an idiot like Bay shouldn't confuse.

[Andrew NDB]

Batman Begins changed plenty of stuff from the Batman mythos for his reboot

Bruce was about to use a gun to kill his parents killer

That's out of Batman: Year Two in the comics, I believe.

We already got our near perfect adaptation of the comic.

Not even close.

[CyberCubed]

The origin story is a fundamental part of the character. If Superman was not from Planet Krypton, Batman did not lose his parents at the age of 8, and Spiderman did not get bitten by a radioactive spider, I would call foul unless it was a purpose "alternate universe" kind of deal.

The Turtles being aliens is just...offensive. Its almost as if its a dumbed down origin plot so people believe in talking Turtles. Its idiotic and borderline insulting.

Why the hell should people think a planet full of alien Turtles is going to be more believeable to the average joe blow seeing this movie?

Say what you will about the 3rd and 4th TMNT movies, but at least they were the same Turtles we know.

[Donnie]

I am still excited, though now I am more uneasy about this film...

I'd echo these thoughts...

Look another case of "Know what's gonna be said before the thread it opened."

Brodie and Stryker already said their piece, so who would of thunk Cure would get in on the fun?

The correct answer is "Everyone."

Haha, was thinking the same thing. That lot is hysterical...and not in a pleasant way.

If you can give me a solid reason or justification for everyone being so quick to judge something that they know nothing of, I will secede. Otherwise, go tend to your troll wife. I'm sure being pregnant with your child has taken a toll on her well being, already.

Really? Insulting people's wives over the internet on a forum that is discussing TMNT? Jesus, why are any of you still here? You make this place so much less enjoyable. Just go crawl in a hole somewhere.

[Andrew NDB]

Say what you will about the 3rd and 4th TMNT movies, but at least they were the same Turtles we know.

Eh, maybe the Turtles I'm passingly aware of and avoid. But I guess if your argument is "better the Devil you know than the Devil you don't," then I guess you have a point.

[Slap-Happy]

Bay is a goddamned idiot, no question. Its been said in this thread that Bay was pushed out to talk about Turtles because he's a huge name, especially in relationship to what essentially equates to "toy movies." He's tied to exec producer. Shock and gasps. He was on the other Platinum Dune flicks too. You know what that means he did? SHoveled out money. He knew NOTHING of what was going on with any of those movies.

So am I worried about Bay being involved with the Turtles? No. Because he's an idiot who makes 3 hour long music videos and says stupid **** constantly. He didn't know anything about the Turtles prior to the film being handled by his production company. So does it surprise me that he thinks they're aliens? No. "Its a toy movie right? Aliens, right?"

While the "from an alien race" worries the hell out of me, I have a feeling this might be what's happening.

From everything I've read about the earlier PD films, he'd only come to set or the production offices a few times to "check in", so I wouldn't put it past him to know next to nothing about the actual film he's producing.

Still, it's kind of worrying. Hopefully Brad Fuller can confirm or deny this.

[The Stryker]

Haha, was thinking the same thing. That lot is hysterical...and not in a pleasant way.

Really? Insulting people's wives over the internet on a forum that is discussing TMNT? Jesus, why are any of you still here? You make this place so much less enjoyable. Just go crawl in a hole somewhere.

Problem dawg? Because I'm not freaking out over what amounts to nothing you're upset. Whatever, keep being butthurt over anything we say.

[CyberCubed]

So watching that clip again it does seem Michael Bay might be confused. Aside from "coming from an alien planet," he says something about them being edgy and becoming loveable...whatever the hell that means.

I think he means "loveable" to kids watching the movie, or to the characters in the movie instead...who knows.

If they actually do feature the Utroms in this movie, or even Krang, and the mutagen/ooze starts from there but infects the Turtles on Earth then I would be more open to the origin.

[Slap-Happy]

loveable...whatever the hell that means.
He means the audience will like the characters.

[VaughnMichael]

I say meh.
I think most of the worry has to do with Michael Bay and not the fact that the origin is being changed.
I mean I don't see anyone making a big fuss over IDW doing the same exact thing.

What I get from all of this (the new show, new comic, and movie) is that Nickelodeon wants to reboot everything and give it all it's own universe.

I mean it's been how many times before this?

Every time the format changes people start complaining.

Now I don't like everything that's being done like say teenage April or the 3 toes but really what can I do about it?
Nick asked us what we thought and didn't take any of it into consideration when told things like that are not good ideas and taking things too far.

So I really see no point in crying over it, if it happens it happens.
You can't change any of it and it's not like any of it is set in stone anyway.

I've also started taking Lairds long time advice "don't like it don't buy it".

[Andrew NDB]

becoming loveable...

That's probably the most scary thing I've read about the new movie yet.

[Jester]

I think most of the worry has to do with Michael Bay and not the fact that the origin is being changed.
I mean I don't see anyone making a big fuss over IDW doing the same exact thing.
To be fair, I'm not 100% in love with the changes IDW made to the origin either...
:P
My big gripe is the is the potential alien origin. I have little quarrel with Mr. Bay. But I can only speak for myself.

[CrazySquirrel]

I've been batting this around in my mind, and the only explanation I can come up with is this is a fundamental, quite major, change to the established origin. I mean "Mutant" is in the title.


This is exactly it. If you ask anyone a short quiz about the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" if all you tell them is the name of the franchise it should be simple enough to not get basic things wrong.

Are they adults?
No the name says they are teenagers.
Are they military soldiers?
No they are Ninjas.
Are they frogs?
No in the title it says they are turtles.
Are they aliens?
No they are mutants.

People have the right to complain about this because this is a HUGE mistake stated on stage by someone involved with making this movie. We have every right to be scared. Its a very hard mistake to make to call them aliens in the first statement made about the movie.

To be fair maybe this wasn't supposed to be public information ...

[Rikirk]

Someone must have been offended by the term Mutant.

[Jester]

Someone must have been offended by the term Mutant.
Paramount Exec. 1: Does Marvel own the rights to the word "mutant"?
Paramount Exec. 2: Better safe then sorry...make 'um aliens!

Nah...then the show and comic wouldn't be named Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[Xav]

Still, it's kind of worrying. Hopefully Brad Fuller can confirm or deny this. Yeah, someone should try asking him on twitter.

[ToTheNines]

That's probably the most scary thing I've read about the new movie yet.

What, you don't love the Mirage turtles?

[CyberCubed]

To be fair IDW changed a lot about the origin too, but it was well written enough for it to be understandable. My only gripe is the Turtles quick mutation in 15 months, but that's about it.

And its really not all that different than the past. Splinter and Hamato Yoshi being one and the same, Shredder being from feudal Japan (like the 4kids series), etc.

Raph not growing up with his brothers is a big thing though, but then again these Turtles were only mutated for 15 months.

[SLASH!!!]

I really hate to defend Bay and trust me as someone who hates the Transformers movies I'd rather not. But I think your taking the word alien way too literally. When you get right down to it the turtles are an alien species. Remember alien doesn't always refer to something extraterrestrial. One definition is "unlike one's own; strange; not belonging to one." Sounds like the turtles to me.

Of course he could also be as ignorant to TMNT as he is to Transformers. But I wouldn't read too much from an out of context 15 second clip of Bay.

[gobo]

Mutants can't be from an alien race. That's a fictional impossibility.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I'm kind of with Slash at the moment.

a·li·en/ˈālyən/

noun
1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization ( distinguished from citizen).
2. a foreigner.
3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.

Synonyms:
adjective. foreign - strange - extraneous - outlandish
noun. foreigner - stranger - outlander

So given those definitions it is hard to figure out exactly what Bay was talking about. Given Bay's history for not giving a crud about fans though I could see the later. But as also has been said he is only producing so he has very little to do with the actual project.

[Xav]

Does anyone have the rest of the video? Perhaps that would clear things up.

[Bob]

I'm kind of with Slash at the moment.

a·li·en/ˈālyən/

noun
1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization ( distinguished from citizen).
2. a foreigner.
3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.

Synonyms:
adjective. foreign - strange - extraneous - outlandish
noun. foreigner - stranger - outlander

So given those definitions it is hard to figure out exactly what Bay was talking about. Given Bay's history for not giving a crud about fans though I could see the later. But as also has been said he is only producing so he has very little to do with the actual project.

I do see what you’re saying, but that other blurb I posted in the other thread says that “Another tidbit he offered up is that the Turtles origin story has been updated, from the decidedly 80s radioactive waste accident to an alien planet.” So alien planet this time gets mentioned. I think it’s pretty safe to assume that aliens, at least in some shape or form, are going to play a part.

Taken from this site, BTW: http://blog.viacom.com/2012/03/scenes-from-the-nickelodeon-upfront/

Does anyone have the rest of the video? Perhaps that would clear things up.

I second this. There's obviously plenty more to that panel. I've been looking on Youtube, but no luck.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I think that is just the bloggers take on what the clip showed. There is no context, no video, no transcript that says those words. It is a blogger writing down their take on what went on. Until more comes out it's just people going pell mell over some brief open ended wording.

[TurtleMaster4]

To be fair IDW changed a lot about the origin too, but it was well written enough for it to be understandable. My only gripe is the Turtles quick mutation in 15 months, but that's about it.


didn't get to read the idw comics yet :tcry: but dose 15 months mean they were already teenagers, or they became young mutants over 15 months, cause i always thought their mutation was quick.

[TurtleMaster4]

I really hate to defend Bay and trust me as someone who hates the Transformers movies I'd rather not. But I think your taking the word alien way too literally. When you get right down to it the turtles are an alien species. Remember alien doesn't always refer to something extraterrestrial. One definition is "unlike one's own; strange; not belonging to one." Sounds like the turtles to me

great point

[TurtleMaster4]

Does anyone have the rest of the video? Perhaps that would clear things up.
i heard ninja pizza will be covering this eventually, or some thing like that

[Bob]

I think that is just the bloggers take on what the clip showed. There is no context, no video, no transcript that says those words. It is a blogger writing down their take on what went on. Until more comes out it's just people going pell mell over some brief open ended wording.

But the blogger said alien planet, which means that the word planet was mentioned. The blogger was obviously there. The site is the offical Viacom blog.

[TerranigmaFreak]

Look on the bright side guys. At least it'll make TMNT 3 look like a masterpiece.

[gobo]

At least it'll make TMNT 3 look like a masterpiece.
And, this is a good thing? O_o

[BentonGrey]

I just heard this...I really, REALLY hate Michael Bay. Please, someone, stop that man. This comment just smacks so very much of the usual Hollywood dreck. It's even got the favorite buzzword of the empty suits, "edgy!"

[Slap-Happy]

But the blogger said alien planet, which means that the word planet was mentioned. The blogger was obviously there.
Not necessarily. They might be remembering it wrong. Like how people remember "Beam me up, Scotty" when those exact words were never said in Start Trek. For him alien race translates to alien planet.

Doesn't he also say the film is called Ninja Turtles? I'm pretty sure that Michael Bay is just calling them Ninja Turtles rather than that being the title of the film. Brad Fuller has been calling it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or TMNT whenever he mentions it.

EDIT: Yeah, the blogger even calls the new show just "TMNT" when we know the title is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[CyberCubed]

If he says they are from an alien planet then it's true. That's not something that would be made up out of the blue.

I'd say it's time to start preparing for the worst case scenario.

[Donnie]

But the blogger said alien planet, which means that the word planet was mentioned. The blogger was obviously there. The site is the offical Viacom blog.

It's all a bunch of hear-say right now. However it does seem strange that the blogger would mention that point specifically if it wasn't said by Bay.

I'm not opposed to this alien planet thing as long as it somehow is tied to the Triceratons, Fugitoid, etc...I guess if it's written right and believable I'll get over it...but that depends on how much they are changing and how they write it...

This origin point coulda been what had Eastman not so sure about.

[Bob]

This origin point coulda been what had Eastman not so sure about.

I've heard a lot about his comments, yet I don't know exactly what was said and when it was said. Has anyone got a link? :)

[agliarept]

THANK GOD FOR THE FIRST ORIGINAL LIVE ACTION FILM.

..

no matter how bad this films sucks, I will always have the best version to fall back on. smdh.

[Oculus Orbus]

I'm just gonna refuse to accept they'll be aliens until we get some more information. If it finally is true that they're changing the origin in such a drastic way, it'll make me lose all interest in the film. I'll eventually get to watch it, at some point in the future, but I will not spend my money on it.

I can't get over the new IDW origin, and even tho I'm trying, it's really stopping me from enjoying the book. Now, making them into aliens is just too much.

I can accept changes to the origin, as we've seen a few different versions of it over the years, but at the end of the day they always are mutated turtles. It is important for me, and I consider it to be an essential part of the franchise.

[azrael]

Batman Begins changed plenty of stuff from the Batman mythos for his reboot, for one he gave Bruce a love interest who he knew since he was a kid, he changed the movie theater to a normal theater, Bruce was about to use a gun to kill his parents killer, talk about a change on what the character is known to hate one of his most important character traits. Also he allows Ras to die in the train. And yet the movie was still great.

Batman does not hate guns. He chooses not to use them. As for Batman and Guns if Im not mistaken he even debates on using a gun in "Year Two".

He did not let Ras die in the train, he gave Ras a chance to save himself.

The love intrest has been brought up in comics along with the classic friend from childhood turned villian.

As for the theater its been portrayed as both through-out the years from a play of Zorro to a movie of Zorro to not even seeing Zorro.

[TerranigmaFreak]

And, this is a good thing? O_o

I'm just looking at things from the bright side.

[azrael]

To me it sounds like the Transformers "script" Has just been rewritten with turtles and ninja tactics, specs and fighting.

Splinter- Sentinal Prime
Leo- Optimus Prime
Mike- A talking Bumblebee (only have seen the first 2 movies hadnt had a chance for the 3rd yet.)
Raph- Ironhide
Don- Ratchet

April- Megan Fox's character
Casey- Shia Labeouf

Krang- Megatron
Shredder- StarScream

Interesting note... Ninja turtles (Movie) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (cartoon)

[Warhorse]

Hmmmm. Saw this mentioned on some other web sites. I honestly could care one way or another, it was always the brotherhood and interactions of the characters that I liked, not so much the origin story. As long as they got the brotherhood down, then the movie will be going down the correct path for me. But it's way too soon to start jumping to conclusions.

[CyberCubed]

For what it's worth this news has been posted on plenty of comic and movie sites and the reaction there is all negative with people agreeing its a horrible idea.

So it isn't just Turtle fans opposed to this.

[TurtleTitan97]

Man, I wonder how Eastman or Laird feel about this idea?

[The Stryker]

Doesn't matter either way.

[k_lala]

I blame nick for hiring this guy!!! Seriouslyy!! Wtf!!

[Cowabunga Carl]

It doesn't seem a long leap that the blogger would hear alien and just assume alien planet. Heck that's what a lot of you here are doing. Calm down tell we get more info.

[CyberCubed]

It's been said their origin has been updated to an alien planet. Obviously it's not just what Bay said.

[Cowabunga Carl]

where other then on that one blog does it say that? Source?

[Jester]

Oh god...there's a Michael bay forum...and there's a thread about TMNT.
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?7363-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Tu

[Kendamu]

For what it's worth this news has been posted on plenty of comic and movie sites and the reaction there is all negative with people agreeing its a horrible idea.

So it isn't just Turtle fans opposed to this.
That's good to know. Almost every version of the franchise has a lot of big changes to the origin, but they've always remained mutants and I'm glad that people in general aren't taking to the idea that they might be aliens.

[Kendamu]

where other then on that one blog does it say that? Source?

At the very beginning of the thread there's a link. Click that link and watch the video. Michael Bay says, "These turtles are from an alien race."

There's your source. It was established in the very first post.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Of the alien planet being talked about everywhere, not the alien race comment. Again I'd like to point out alien can mean different then the normal.

I'm all for crucifing Bay along with the rest of you. I think he is a hack. But until we know what context the alien thing is it doesn't do any good to start yelling and screaming.

[Kendamu]

I'm not even gonna get into the semantics game. We all know that Michael Bay isn't referring to them being "strange" or "foreigners" or anything like that. It's pretty straightforward that he was referring to aliens from another planet. Whether the Turtles themselves are the aliens or if they're just much more closely tied to aliens is the question, but I'm not gonna sit here and seriously go back and forth on the different definitions of the word "alien."

[ToTheNines]

To me it sounds like the Transformers "script" Has just been rewritten with turtles and ninja tactics, specs and fighting.

Splinter- Sentinal Prime
Leo- Optimus Prime
Mike- A talking Bumblebee (only have seen the first 2 movies hadnt had a chance for the 3rd yet.)
Raph- Ironhide
Don- Ratchet

April- Megan Fox's character
Casey- Shia Labeouf

Krang- Megatron
Shredder- StarScream

Interesting note... Ninja turtles (Movie) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (cartoon)

Yeah dude, I read the script too. You're totally right.

I blame nick for hiring this guy!!! Seriouslyy!! Wtf!!

Blame Paramount/Viacom, actually.

Oh god...there's a Michael bay forum...and there's a thread about TMNT.
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?7363-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Tu

Lol, tools.

[Cowabunga Carl]

No instead people rather latch onto something and start the torches burning before even learning more. This is why I believe things shouldn't be announced tell they are finished.

[azrael]

Yeah dude, I read the script too. You're totally right.

just going on what was said the premise of both

Alien Race
Alien Planet
Comes to earth
Small group of (alien)heroes taking on a larger group bad guys

Lets face it Transformers was unoriginal (script wise) took a simple alien plot and add that they can mimic vehicles looks then transform to their "normal" bodies to fight.

Add eye candy and someone whom everyone could relate too and you got a movie.

[Samhain]

Man, I wonder how Eastman or Laird feel about this idea?

Eastman is probably for it and Laird most likely think's it's stupid.

[Jester]

I can kinda see where Hob is coming from. We are really loading a 15 second clip and one specific statement in that clip, but it seems that the more this stuff gets away from Mirage, the more crazy things we get added into the mix. Reincarnation (not bad, but it really makes things murky in places.), Yoshi's daughter from his human life (I actually kinda like this idea. I honestly wish we had a Tale of the TMNT issue dedicated to the Nagi/Yoshi feud and Yoshi and Shen's relationship.), and now the possibility of not just an alien influenced origin, but that the Turtles themselves may actual be of an "alien race" (and doesn't a "race" signify more than 4 individuals?) seems like a bit more than some fans are willing to take.

[Katie]

Who cares. I've always considered their origin to be alien....cause it is.

I can't wait for opening day of the movie and all the "I went to see it" comments from all the people swearing they'll never go and never give money to a Michael Bay produced. Turtles movie.

If you think it's gonna suck so much, just don't go see it. Stop bitching like a buncha old women.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Yes Jester, it does seem to be more then some fans are willing to take. When it was announced Nick/Viacom had purchased the rights this was along the lines of things I was thinking. I mean my first reaction was that they were going to change it so much I wouldn't recognize the franchise I loved. My first reaction was to turn my back and just walk away, and I did that for a moment. But then I realized they can't take my memories away from me, they can't take away the comics, shows, and movies that have come before.

I realized I was acting foolish. I can still love TMNT and not like everything about it. I started IDW and was skeptical. I was digging it tell they switched mask colors and a lot of OT influences seemed to make their way into it. But I've stuck with it. It's not my favorite universe but it's still fun. Heck my user name should point out that I enjoy some aspects of it a lot.

I guess my point is I'm not ready to jump on the wagon and say this is horrible beyond repare tell I know more. I'm not ready to condem something based on the Esecutive Producer spouting things.

[Jester]

I can respect that. At the moment this seems like the biggest and most blatantly unnecessary change to mythos. But you're right we really ought to wait until (or til...) we have more info. Bay (whose role may be minimal and was only the mouth piece because of his name.) may have been ill informed. Only time will tell for sure.

[bridgegrn]

I feel like alien race is being taken too literally. It could very well mean alien as in they are different from everyone else and come from a different place, in their case they are mutated turtles who grew up in the sewers. I mean when you hear illegal alien you don't think fugitives from space, you think of people who aren't from here.

[CyberCubed]

I feel like alien race is being taken too literally. It could very well mean alien as in they are different from everyone else and come from a different place, in their case they are mutated turtles who grew up in the sewers. I mean when you hear illegal alien you don't think fugitives from space, you think of people who aren't from here.

For the last time they also said alien PLANET.

[Jester]

For the last time they also said alien PLANET.
I hate to argue the semantics, but that's someone's opinion on what they heard. Much like we're assuming that Bay meant "alien" aliens, that blogger did as well. The only place planet is mentioned is in that one blog post. It's not "official."

And while we're on semantics, doesn't a race comprise more than 4 individuals? You need quite a few more people to comprise an entire race.

[azrael]

I mean when you hear illegal alien you don't think fugitives from space, you think of people who aren't from here.

speak for yourself :twink:

[BubblyShell22]

I'm not too keen on this idea, but as has been said, we don't really have a lot of info yet, so I'm not going to really worry about it until then.

[bridgegrn]

For the last time they also said alien PLANET.

The blogger, not Bay.

[CyberCubed]

I hate to argue the semantics, but that's someone's opinion on what they heard. Much like we're assuming that Bay meant "alien" aliens, that blogger did as well. The only place planet is mentioned is in that one blog post. It's not "official."

And while we're on semantics, doesn't a race comprise more than 4 individuals? You need quite a few more people to comprise an entire race.

Yes just like the Planet of the Turtles episode. Perhaps Rupert the Turtle salesman will make a cameo?

[azrael]

And while we're on semantics, doesn't a race comprise more than 4 individuals? You need quite a few more people to comprise an entire race.

Maybe they are the last 5 (including splinter) of their Mutanimal race.

[Candy Kappa]

hmm, and Shredder will get the parallax/Galactus live-action treatment, the Foot is intergalactic ninja force who makes planets ready to be devoured by Shredder. And, now it is the last of their kinds job to stop Shredder to devour earth like Planet Mirage.

[azrael]

nice!!!! 2thumbs up

[Jester]

hmm, and Shredder will get the parallax/Galactus live-action treatment, the Foot is intergalactic ninja force who makes planets ready to be devoured by Shredder. And, now it is the last of their kinds job to stop Shredder to devour earth like Planet Mirage.
That's be an interesting Else Worlds TMNT story.

[Samhain]

I can't wait for opening day of the movie and all the "I went to see it" comments from all the people swearing they'll never go and never give money to a Michael Bay produced. Turtles movie.



Yep. I can't believe this thread has gone on like this. Seriously.

[stormbringer]

hmm, and Shredder will get the parallax/Galactus live-action treatment, the Foot is intergalactic ninja force who makes planets ready to be devoured by Shredder. And, now it is the last of their kinds job to stop Shredder to devour earth like Planet Mirage.

And Krang will give them the ultimate nullifier.:P

[Xav]

The blogger, not Bay. The blogger said Bay said it.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope there's just some kind of miscommunication. I'm totally fine with the ooze being of alien origin because that's how it's been from day one, but if the TMNT themselves are aliens then that just ain't gonna fly for me.

[ryukenden]

The Turtles as aliens?! You've gotta be kidding me! :x

At least the Transformers mythos were done right even though they were still poorly executed. I can accept the ooze that mutated the Turtles to be alien in origin but the Turtles themselves? That's ain't gonna fly and if that's the case I'm gonna go on a Raph rage.

[xChri5x]

Aliens?
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2011/04/770d5deee1e8529f2278ee09389739dd/original.gif

[Xav]

It looks like people have already made petitions about this.
http://www.change.org/petitions/michael-bay-to-not-make-teenage-alien-ninja-turtles
http://www.change.org/petitions/michael-bay-keep-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-as-mutants-not-aliens

[Baxter Stockmen]

If bay is really spreading mis-information just to cause a controversy and get people talking, then he's doing a good job of it.

[DarkLightDragon]

If bay is really spreading mis-information just to cause a controversy and get people talking, then he's doing a good job of it.


In other words, he's being a Turtle troll?

[Andrew NDB]

Closer to release it could always be retitled "Teenage Walking Alien Turtles." The acronym for which, instead of TMNT, would be TWAT.

[Andrew NDB]

So I asked Peter Laird what he thought about the alien news, and this is what he said:

"Could be interesting -- PL"

[Donnie]

So I asked Peter Laird what he thought about the alien news, and this is what he said:

"Could be interesting -- PL"

....interesting. Lol, I would think PL would be way more against it.

[Oculus Orbus]

So I asked Peter Laird what he thought about the alien news, and this is what he said:

"Could be interesting -- PL"

No way. I could have never seen that one coming.

[Andrew NDB]

He might just be playing against type.

[CyberCubed]

The outrage is all over the Internet. Seriously read the comments of every website that's reporting on this story.

[Cowabunga Carl]

That is interesting. I think he's finally learning to let go and not take it so personal anymore.

[TigerClaw]

I think the whole TMNT alien origin is being misinterpreted all over the net. In the original comics, The chemical that mutated the turtles to become humanoid was by a company called T.C.R.I. It was secretly run by an alien race called the Utrom, Which is Krang's race.
http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/T.C.R.I.

[Andrew NDB]

I think the whole TMNT alien origin is being misinterpreted all over the net. In the original comics, The chemical that mutated the turtles to become humanoid was by a company called T.C.R.I.

No way!

It was secretly run by an alien race called the Utrom, Which is Krang's race.
http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/T.C.R.I.

Krang has never been an Utrom in any incarnation or universe of TMNT. It is possible, however, that he might turn out to be an Utrom in the IDW comics but that remains to be seen.

[TurtleTitan97]

So I asked Peter Laird what he thought about the alien news, and this is what he said:

"Could be interesting -- PL"

Huh, i thought he would be as confused as we are. I am still looking forward to the film, but this alien thing is still a bit strange. It feels like Superman's origin. It's like Bay wants the film to be hated and then when it is close to release he'll be like "Kidding! They are going tp mutants! Gotcha!"like what he did with Revenge of the Fallen.

[ToTheNines]

The comments over at the IGN article for this are as expected:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1221066p1.html#disqus_thread

[Killer Moth]

If bay is really spreading mis-information just to cause a controversy and get people talking, then he's doing a good job of it.

Please, let this be the theory. Pretty please. Because, otherwise, it's really working.

As for Laird's comment, well, he has a clear penchant for sci-fi -- his blog is fun for his Star Trek TOS nerd love -- so, apparently, such a premise didn't "make him puke." Either that, or maybe he's just becoming more mellow. No doubt, he'll add an extenstive thought or two when we know more details. Can't wait.

Interesting how the fandom is going "Do Not Want," but he somewhat isn't. How about that?

[Master Splinter]

Has this been posted...?

a·li·en /ˈālyən/

Adjective: Belonging to a foreign country or nation.

Noun: A foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.

Synonyms: adjective. foreign - strange - extraneous - outlandish
noun. foreigner - stranger - outlander

Hmmm... could it be that TMNT are ALIENS??? Maybe because they are foreign to humans, or maybe even STRANGE? Haven't you ever heard someone say something like "I just can't understand this, calculus is just so alien to me..."

Alien is a noun and an adjective. It also has different synonyms... English is a powerful language, some use it differently than others...

Would you believe that back in the day people used the world "chair" instead of "cool"... For example they would say "that movie was so freaking chair!" Do they mean that it was a device used to sit, no it means that it was cool, awesome, bodacious, radical, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, bing, bang, yacky, yack, don't talk back...

-ms

[Ninjinister]

I think the whole TMNT alien origin is being misinterpreted all over the net. In the original comics, The chemical that mutated the turtles to become humanoid was by a company called T.C.R.I. It was secretly run by an alien race called the Utrom, Which is Krang's race.
http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/T.C.R.I.

lol did you really have to explain what T.C.R.I. is and provide the link? Who here doesn't know what that means?

[Kendamu]

Yes, it's been posted. No, it's not likely that it'll be that complicated. Otherwise we'd all have to ask if "Cowboys and Aliens" was about space aliens, strange people, or foreigners. Let's just not get into semantics and instead focus on the theory that Bay is doing another misinformation campaign like he did with the second Transformers.

[Bob]

The outrage is all over the Internet. Seriously read the comments of every website that's reporting on this story.

No disrespect to anyone, though, but all the movie news and comic fan sites and so forth that are reporting are all visited (and probably run) by fanboys, so of course they're all going to be up in arms about it. The mass audience that makes up about 95% of the audience at the cinema probably don't even visit such sites.

Basically, the fact that the web is "up in arms" over the news doesn't really mean much. When it was announced that Optimus Prime was going to have flames the web was up in arms. Didn't matter.

Vocal minority/silent majority and all that.

[Nelson]

I never understood why some guys were excited that Platinum Dunes was in charge of this movie...

[Master Splinter]

Let's just not get into semantics and instead focus on the theory that Bay is doing another misinformation campaign like he did with the second Transformers.

More than likely it is a misinformation campaign like he has been known to do, I mean the internet is buzzing about this so it has definitely gone viral, there is no arguing that... It's just amazing how people are going ape **** over this...

-ms

[Nelson]

Hmmm... could it be that TMNT are ALIENS??? Maybe because they are foreign to humans, or maybe even STRANGE? Haven't you ever heard someone say something like "I just can't understand this, calculus is just so alien to me..."


The thing is, he didn't say that they'll be an alien race... he said that they'll be "from an alien race". Meaning that there's more than four turtles out there.

I fear for the designs of the characters.

[Master Splinter]

The thing is, he didn't say that they'll be an alien race... he said that they'll be "from an alien race". Meaning that there's more than four turtles out there.

I fear for the designs of the characters.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/848/ancient-aliens.jpg

-ms

[Nelson]

Hahaha! Very fitting.

[JJ TMNT]

I do not care. If Bay makes these turtles themselves aliens then I will be so pissed off. Bceuase it wont end there...

Maybe they're also not brothers?

Maybe there's no splinter (how the hell is this going to work too?)

Maybe they'll have less "cool" "cowabunga" lingo and more "fo sho" "homie" lingo. Don't believe me? See Transformers 2 racist robots.

Respect the stories that are tried and true. Turtles didn't need to be broken down and rebuilt. They just needed to be polished. This is b.s.

[Donnie]

Basically, the fact that the web is "up in arms" over the news doesn't really mean much. When it was announced that Optimus Prime was going to have flames the web was up in arms. Didn't matter.


To be fair I don't think this is necessarily true. Adding flames to a design is much different than revamping an entire origin that has 25+ years under its belt.

I'm glad that it isn't just this forum that is upset about this news - even the TMNT Facebook page (the "official" one via Nick) is sh*tting all over this entire concept, and most of those people on there are dim-wit casuals. If enough fans speak out, it might be changed or AT LEAST clarified.

[Candy Kappa]

To be fair I don't think this is necessarily true. Adding flames to a design is much different than revamping an entire origin that has 25+ years under its belt.

but they did change the characters to personality-less robots that learned from the Internet how to act and emote.

[gobo]

Krang has never been an Utrom in any incarnation or universe of TMNT.
He was in the daily strip.

[Bob]

Obviously take this with a grain of salt, but this guy says "sources" have told him that the Turtles are from a whole other dimension and that Krang is the villain, or at least one of them.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/new-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie-makes-our-heroes-aliens/

[Hero]

Krang in a TMNT movie will be a pleasant first.

[CyberCubed]

The Turtles are from another dimension now? God it gets worse and worse.

[ToTheNines]

The Turtles are from another dimension now? God it gets worse and worse.

Why are you so quick to believe that?

[Andrew NDB]

Krang in a TMNT movie will be a pleasant fist.

Fixed your post for you. And to finish it: "... straight up the rear. With emphasis."

But no, seriously, as I've stated elsewhere I wouldn't grind too much of an axe about Krang in a TMNT movie if he wasn't played for laughs or camp. I mean, a TMNT movie where the citizens go out, look up, and down floats this enormous alien spaceship (the Technodrome), sending down speeders with Rock Soldiers to incapacitate our defenses and subjugate our world by the legions... the Independence Day-sort of visuals that could come from that, that kind of appeals to me.

But I'm not so sure that sort of thing is what's going on here. It's already sounding like an unmitigated toy fiesta.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe they should just adapt the IDW comics into a movie

[Raph's Girl]

Maybe they're from the palm tree planet that Slash was from in Archie comics?? That world was destroyed by Krang...

[CyberCubed]

Well they figured out a way to bring Venus back into the fold.

Perhaps all the Turtles have alien girlfriends in this version?

[The Stryker]

I do not care. If Bay makes these turtles themselves aliens then I will be so pissed off.

Bay. Isn't. Doing. ANYTHING.

It's like trying to train dogs in here.

[Jester]

I'm prone to agree with Nines. I'm taking this "article" with a HUGE grain of salt, as they make the same "Krang was an Utrom" slip that Tiger Claw made earlier. Krang was an Utrom all of once, like gobo mentioned, in the daily comic strips, and those mingled Archie origins for Leatherhead with Mirage characters and a decidedly Fred Wolf feel...well later on anyway.

Besides I read their "source" article as well and I see no mention of inter-dimensional Turtles, just that in the FW series Krang himself was an inter-dimensional being.

The more I read the less outraged I get because it all just seems like either a ploy to get people talking, or people who have no idea what they're saying being allowed to talk like what they know is 100% true.

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe they should just adapt the IDW comics into a movie

Christ no. That s*it shouldnt even be a comic

[Killer Moth]

It's amazing how things can change in only 10 years. Ten years ago, if someone said, "the new animated Shredder would become an Utrom" or "Mirage April was an artificial being," the proper response would have been "you're crazy."* If the alien Turtles come to be, then, logically speaking, aren't the producers taking this subtle and gradual revising that has been occuring over the past decade to its absolute conclusion? I don't know how to word this properly, but the direction is becoming apparent that someone, be it Laird or Bay or whomever, believes it is a good idea to make the core characters even more fantastic or bizarre or outerworldly than the norm or the franchise's original standard, so, from their point of view, why not alien Turtles? (I'm not counting the IDW/Nicktoon de-aging of April or Casey into my thesis, but that shouldn't be ignored, either.)

The alien Turtles re-branding is still absurd, but when one adds the Utrom Shredder or Mirage April's new identity into the equation, it almost makes a modicum of sense. Of course, the likely answer is "change for the sake of change," or everyone in a re-vamping or re-packing mood, these days, "so, hey, why not?"

*I'm not familiar with what happened with Mirage April, as I read little of Vol. 4. So, you guys can refresh my memory.

[CyberCubed]

The only reason Utrom Shredder worked is the backstory was well written and they kept the Oroku Saki persona around through Season 3. That and the show did have a human Oroku Saki in the past.

[Killer Moth]

The only reason Utrom Shredder worked is the backstory was well written and they kept the Oroku Saki persona around through Season 3. That and the show did have a human Oroku Saki in the past.

Oh, it worked quite well, but it's still a drastic change. I'm not asserting change is bad, as some of them can work out fine, as you pointed out with Ch'rell. I'm only observating a subtle pattern that has emerged over the past 10 years, the space or alien Turtles can be interpreted as the next step in that progress.

If they continue this with, say, Casey Jones is secretly working for Bishop or the MIB, then go into panic or be amused, whichever. Because, apparently, "let's make everyone into aliens."

[Cowabunga Carl]

But if it had been revealed that Shredder was an Utrom from the get go people would have flipped. That's the point. Because we saw it play out before learning it people were okay with it.

[TurtleMaster4]

You guys say Turtles Forever right, just consider this another alternative dimension, thats what i think of every tmnt thing! They are are the true storys, but all told in different ways.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess it'd be a lot easier for me to find the energy to get worked up about this if there had actually ever been a good TMNT movie. One sort of OK one, then a freefall in quality from there, movie after movie.

[Dirty Blond]

Bay. Isn't. Doing. ANYTHING.

I pray you are right.

[Killer Moth]

But if it had been revealed that Shredder was an Utrom from the get go people would have flipped. That's the point. Because we saw it play out before learning it people were okay with it.

Agreed, good storytelling certainly downplayed on the potential backlash. Which begs the side question, are the writers going to put the alien origin upfront with some big teaser sequence or we find out at the middle or end of the movie, "you're aliens"? The first movie waited with the origin exposition until April first met Splinter, right? At least, that would give the audience some time to brace itself.

Edit: Besides, it could be worse -- they could become vampires, instead. Sad to say, I'm only half-kidding.

[The Stryker]

I pray you are right.

I am right because he's just a goddamn producer. There's no ifs or maybes on that at all!

[Baxter Stockmen]

You guys say Turtles Forever right, just consider this another alternative dimension, thats what i think of every tmnt thing! They are are the true storys, but all told in different ways.

If they are aliens. That is what I'll have to tell myself. :tgrumble:

[CyberCubed]

The problem is its a movie that he general public sees.

Why instill in the minds of the common folk that the Turtles are aliens?
Especially when the new cartoons and comics do nothing of the sort.

It is a blemish on the franchise that will never die down just like the Venus girl turtle jokes.

[Oculus Orbus]

Agreed, good storytelling certainly downplayed on the potential backlash. Which begs the side question, are the writers going to put the alien origin upfront with some big teaser sequence or we find out at the middle or end of the movie, "you're aliens"? The first movie waited with the origin exposition until April first met Splinter, right? At least, that would give the audience some time to brace itself.

Edit: Besides, it could be worse -- they could become vampires, instead. Sad to say, I'm only half-kidding.

Well, if they stick with this alien thing, it's not really gonna surprise anyone when they're watching the film. It's the very first thing that has been announced, so I don't think it really matters how it is revealed.

[ZariusTwo]

I guess it'd be a lot easier for me to find the energy to get worked up about this if there had actually ever been a good TMNT movie. One sort of OK one, then a freefall in quality from there, movie after movie.

And yet all of them beat the boring prospect of straight up adapting the one-note comics mate.

2003 TMNT tried it. Niche audience.

Your work doesnt work. Suck it.

[Xav]

A bunch of us clicking an online petition and complaining on this forum will have about as much impact as the people who complained about Frank Welker not being involved in the Transformers movie. Yeah, but Frank Welker was invoked in the sequels.
I'm prone to agree with Nines. I'm taking this "article" with a HUGE grain of salt, as they make the same "Krang was an Utrom" slip that Tiger Claw made earlier. Krang was an Utrom all of once, like gobo mentioned, in the daily comic strips, and those mingled Archie origins for Leatherhead with Mirage characters and a decidedly Fred Wolf feel...well later on anyway. Ah, but you are forgetting about 4Kids Krang.

[Oculus Orbus]

Ah, but you are forgetting about 4Kids Krang.

We only saw him for like two seconds, and it was more of a joke than anything else.

[Killer Moth]

Well, if they stick with this alien thing, it's not really gonna surprise anyone when they're watching the film. It's the very first thing that has been announced, so I don't think it really matters how it is revealed.

I don't disagree, as today's audiences are quite savvy. However, not everyone has a computer or would follow the day-by-day details like we would. Depending on who you ask, most casual fans tend to go with their own default media version of the Turtles, and that's that. At least, that's my personal experience prior to joining the forum talking.

And we now or will soon have a new and younger generation of TMNT fans to grow up with the Nicktoon/Viacom film as their first media impression, as we did in past generations with the 87 and '03 series and the respective films. Fortunately, there are almost 30 years-plus of other Turtle media, so it isn't like the next generation doesn't have other options, and "huh, so they aren't always space turtles, after all."

Or to go with TurtleMaster4's advice, "view it as part of the Multiverse and leave it at that." Which is how I'll likely interpret the film, anyway (besides being, as Andrew rightfully observed, "a toy fiesta").

[Venom]

I've said it once and I'm saying it again:

I'm reserving my thoughts until I know more about these Transmutant Ninja Turtles. >_>

[Oculus Orbus]

I don't disagree, as today's audiences are quite savvy. However, not everyone has a computer or would follow the day-by-day details like we would. Depending on who you ask, most casual fans tend to go with their own default media version of the Turtles, and that's that. At least, that's my personal experience prior to joining the forum talking.

And we now or will soon have a new and younger generation of TMNT fans to grow up with the Nicktoon/Viacom film as their first media impression, as we did in past generations with the 87 and '03 series and the respective films. Fortunately, there are almost 30 years-plus of other Turtle media, so it isn't like the next generation doesn't have other options, and "huh, so they aren't always space turtles, after all."

Or to go with TurtleMaster4's advice, "view it as part of the Multiverse and leave it at that." Which is how I'll likely interpret the film, anyway (besides being, as Andrew rightfully observed, "a toy fiesta").

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but the vast majority of the audience these days go to the cinema with a certain idea of what they're about to see, specially with blockbusters. Of course they don't know the details of the plot, but this particular subject doesn't look like it'll be treated secretly if it finally gets to happen. It's already being advertised, and that can only get bigger as we get closer to the release date.

To make it clear, it's not gonna be a twist on the plot intended to surprise the audience, it's just gonna be the status quo of that particular incarnation.

And I just can't view it as part of the Multiverse and leave it at that. I wish I could, as I'm sure it'd made all the different universes easier to enjoy, but I need some things to always be there. I'm not even saying the origin story shouldn't be touched, but if they make them into aliens, I'm feeling like it's a completely different thing.

[CyberCubed]

I wish there was some way to prevent this movie from being filmed.

No Turtle movie at all is better than a bad movie that will remain bad forever.

[Slap-Happy]

I wish there was some way to prevent this movie from being filmed.

No Turtle movie at all is better than a bad movie that will remain bad forever.
Holy f*ck. Stop.

When we hear definite information about this, and not 15 seconds of Michael Bay talking, then freak out.

[The Stryker]

I wish there was some way to prevent this movie from being filmed.

No Turtle movie at all is better than a bad movie that will remain bad forever.

I wish there was a way to shut you up.

[CyberCubed]

Holy f*ck. Stop.

When we hear definite information about this, and not 15 seconds of Michael Bay talking, then freak out.

Well then let's figure out why nobody from Viacom is coming out and correcting this misinformation?

If Michael Bay is an idiot, why isn't Nick on damage control?

[Cure]

Because no damage has been done and only retards like you can possibly jump to the conclusions you have?

Aliens=tentacles=having girlfriends=Venus?

F*ck off.

[CyberCubed]

I'd say how fast the info is being spread on all the movie and comic websites with people on all sites complaining says enough.

Usually misinformation gets clarified sooner or later.

[Killer Moth]

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but the vast majority of the audience these days go to the cinema with a certain idea of what they're about to see, specially with blockbusters. Of course they don't know the details of the plot, but this particular subject doesn't look like it'll be treated secretly if it finally gets to happen. It's already being advertised, and that can only get bigger as we get closer to the release date.

To make it clear, it's not gonna be a twist on the plot intended to surprise the audience, it's just gonna be the status quo of that particular incarnation.

And I just can't view it as part of the Multiverse and leave it at that. I wish I could, as I'm sure it'd made all the different universes easier to enjoy, but I need some things to always be there. I'm not even saying the origin story shouldn't be touched, but if they make them into aliens, I'm feeling like it's a completely different thing.

Good points, all. I can only imagine how the focus groups -- and be assured there will be one -- will react to all this. Should be amusing.

In reading one of Andrew's recent posts, I certainly understand his point about not getting worked up (albeit for different reasons). Any other format, I'd be cynical or apathetic, but it's becoming a tad difficult to accept that in this case, as I did enjoy the live-action Turtle fare, despite the flaws. (Or that could be because I'm now a part of the fandom and able to express such and such Turtle-themed opinion in real time, for the first time in a long while.)

So, anyway, yes, I do mirror your views, even while I attempt to rationalize the rest. "It's just another Turtle movie, so just relax, etc." Or "ignore stupid canon," which I have done with the Turtles, from time to time. Admittedly, it is easy to say, harder to do at times.

[Billbeaux]

The phrase "What in the tumbling ****?!" gets thrown around a lot these days...

...so permit me to do it again:


WHAT IN THE TUMBLING ****?!?!?!

[FearlessLeader]

I want to play devil's advocate.

What if it does end up kind of like Superman.

What if the guys are the last four beings of there kind, what if coming to Earth as infants triggers Splinter's mutation and intelligent now he finds the children and raises them OR what if some of the same beings the guys are from purposely causes Splinter's mutation and also programs him with all the knowledge in order to train the Turtles to be incredible fighters.

What if Krang or any villain is the ones that destroyed their home world and is who they are trained to fight.

Over used plot yes, but I also think I could watch this film, particularly if the effects and fights scenes are top notch.

I feel there are certain aspects of the franchise that can't be altered, like the idea of family and the idea of the guys being real outsiders. I also feel if those aspects can be honored maybe something more out there could work.

Everyone else is making things up so I thought I would too :tgrin:

[Xav]

I guess it'd be a lot easier for me to find the energy to get worked up about this if there had actually ever been a good TMNT movie. One sort of OK one, then a freefall in quality from there, movie after movie. Really? I thought the fourth movie was at very least a step up from the third one.

[Mutant_Hero_Turtle95]

I really hope bay dosent mess up our heroes origin. This is just a terrible idea:tmad:

[Ninjinister]

F**k. This is all over the internet with so many people whining.

They can't honestly do any worse with the characters than Mirage themselves have at times. April and Rat King, anyone?

[k_lala]

There's got to be a petition to stop this right? Common guys, we should do something. It's not too late is it?

[The Stryker]

There's got to be a petition to stop this right? Common guys, we should do something. It's not too late is it?

Instead of starting a useless petition how about you realize that it's just a damn movie.

A MOVIE WE STILL KNOW NEXT TO NOTHING ABOUT!

For the love of christ
Bay is NOT directing or writing the movie.

[TurtleTitan97]

You mean you don't know? People all over the internet are already making petitions. I'm wondering, did Bay wake up one day and say "Hey I got an idea we can use! Let's make the teenage mutant ninja turtles into the teenage ALIEN ninja turtles! People would just love it!" I'm still hoping that this is some bad joke because I want to see the turtles in the movies again. Because if it isn't, then I'm not laughing.

[The Stryker]

They can't honestly do any worse with the characters than Mirage themselves have at times. April and Rat King, anyone?

The only good post here.

[Xav]

There's got to be a petition to stop this right? Common guys, we should do something. It's not too late is it? Just checked, there are numerous ones take your pick.
http://www.change.org/petitions/michael-bay-jonathan-liebesman-platinum-dunes-keep-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-terrestrial
http://www.change.org/petitions/michael-bay-keep-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-as-mutants-not-aliens
http://www.change.org/petitions/producer-stop-trying-to-change-the-origins-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://www.change.org/petitions/sign-to-save-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://www.change.org/petitions/michael-bay-to-not-make-teenage-alien-ninja-turtles
http://www.change.org/petitions/one-million-to-stop-michael-bay-from-remaking-tmnt-stop-michael-bay-from-remaking-tmnt
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/anti-bay/
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/tmnt-movie-petition-mutants-only-no-aliens-allowed/
http://www.change.org/petitions/sign-to-save-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://www.change.org/petitions/do-not-make-our-teenage-mutant-turtles-into-aliens

[The Stryker]

Each one more pointless than the last.

[bmxbandit]

i'm staying positive being that it is still early. too be sure there are smarter folks in hollywood that will tell michael bay that making the turtles into aliens is a bad idea and his idea will get vetoed.

[Toby Barrett]

This is just silly.

[TurtleTitan97]

too be sure there are smarter folks in hollywood that will tell michael bay that making the turtles into aliens is a bad idea and his idea will get vetoed.

I sure hope so. Because this idea is just...strange. I have nothing against the origin being updated, but still...why would he say they are aliens when they have always been mutants? Is he messing with us or something?

[Weapon X]

No Turtle movie at all is better than a bad movie that will remain bad forever.

The irony is palpable.

It's threads like this that remind me why I never come on here.

[CyberCubed]

Makes me wonder if Viacom will release an official statement or a short synopsis of the movie in a few days.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm wondering, did Bay wake up one day and say "Hey I got an idea we can use! Let's make the teenage mutant ninja turtles into the teenage ALIEN ninja turtles! People would just love it!"

highly unlikely since Bay isn't directing nor writing the script. If, IF there is some ground to the alien race thing it would be the doings of someone else.

[ToTheNines]

F**k. This is all over the internet with so many people whining.

They can't honestly do any worse with the characters than Mirage themselves have at times. April and Rat King, anyone?

You're not wrong at all here, but that's apples to oranges man. A couple issues of Tales or Volume 4 can be brushed off, a theatrical release is a BFD.

That being said, I'm not jumping to any conclusions until we get trailers or a couple of interviews with ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THE CREATIVE TEAM AND NOT AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER. Even then, best to wait and see the whole film before judging.

For the love of christ
Bay is NOT directing or writing the movie.

I've given up on trying to get this through their thick skulls. I guess it's just cool to hate on Bay for whatever reason you can find though.

[Andrew NDB]

Really? I thought the fourth movie was at very least a step up from the third one.

A pretty nominal one... improving in some areas while introducing all-new bad elements.

[Cure]

I've given up on trying to get this through their thick skulls. I guess it's just cool to hate on Bay for whatever reason you can find though.

You're cool with me, dawg.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm pretty sure it's Bay's fault That Rob Zombie had Mike Myers have a voice in Halloween 2, everything is Bay's fault.... yup

[Kendamu]

The irony is palpable.

It's threads like this that remind me why I never come on here.

I know the sentiment. That's why I'm mostly a lurker. It was actually not too bad for awhile and I started posting more. However, "They're from an alien race," sort of ruined all of that.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't feel like reading through this thread, since I think the fan outrage is just a bit premature.

But, in case this hasn't been posted here yet, Yahoo! News feed has finally picked this up and packaged it for the non-ign reading crowd:
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/michael-bay-taking-mutant-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-202841767.html

[FearlessLeader]

I don't feel like reading through this thread, since I think the fan outrage is just a bit premature.

But, in case this hasn't been posted here yet, Yahoo! News feed has finally picked this up and packaged it for the non-ign reading crowd:
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/michael-bay-taking-mutant-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-202841767.html

Glanced at it and it's still pretty much a ton of people just yelling about Bay. I am beginning to think he could have said pretty much anything and people would have been yelling at him. :trazz:

[Xav]

Michael Bay posted this on his forum.
Fans need to take a breath, and chill. They have not read the script. Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story. Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place. We are just building a richer world.
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?10389-Ninja-turtles

So they are working with, I guess Eastman so it can't be that bad right?

[Killer Moth]

They can't honestly do any worse with the characters than Mirage themselves have at times. April and Rat King, anyone?

How dare you use Earth logic! Your logic is hard to refute, so I yield. Bring on the space aliens. And we already have multiple petitions? Interweb works fast. Rarely do they work, but, hey, go for it.

As for Bay, I'm fine with his efforts, as long as he didn't do what he did with "The Island." (Basically copied "Parts: The clonus horror." And if it wasn't for MST3K, no one would have known.) Otherwise, I'm fine with him.

After this thread, wonder what the reaction of the next plot leak will be. Heh. Anyway, the real reason for this post, besides the Quoted part above... is to say I like Fearless' plot synopsis. Nice job.

Edit: Didn't know about the Bay posting when I posted. Well, it's one of the two creators. Pick one. Heh.

[Andrew NDB]

That's a bit patronizing. "we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place." How does he have the faintest idea what made me become a fan in the first place? And why is it key to "give a more complex back story"?

[CyberCubed]

And so the damage control from Michael Bay begins. Unless the Utroms or Krang are in this movie and it starts off showing them make the mutagen in space, I wonder what they plan to do.

[Xav]

Didn't know about the Bay posting when I posted. Well, it's one of the two creators. Pick one. Heh. Well it's gotta be Eastman, seeing how Laird is retired from TMNT.

[ToTheNines]

Wouldn't that be wild if it was actually Peter? Lol

[Cure]

And so the damage control from Michael Bay begins. Unless the Utroms or Krang are in this movie and it starts off showing them make the mutagen in space, I wonder what they plan to do.

He didn't apologize or negate what he said. That wasn't damage control; that was him telling people like you to shut the f*ck up.

[Toby Barrett]

Triceratons everywhere.

[TurtleTitan97]

Michael Bay posted this on his forum.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?10389-Ninja-turtles

So they are working with, I guess Eastman so it can't be that bad right?

Well, this is a bit relaxing:tanime:. Thanks for finding this, I was getting really scared for a second. But still, there's the big question...will the turtles be aliens or not? Someone should ask him so we can get this out of the way and maybe calm down all the people against this film.

[CyberCubed]

He didn't apologize or negate what he said. That wasn't damage control; that was him telling people like you to shut the f*ck up.

And he didn't deny that the Turtles might be aliens. So the reason for concern still stands.

[Killer Moth]

Well it's gotta be Eastman, seeing how Laird is retired from TMNT.

Right, right, who else could it be? If IDW is of any indication, this information does assuage me somewhat. A pity it couldn't have been mentioned sooner, but such details are fluid in the industry. Plus, the producers probably didn't expect pushback so soon. Then again, this shouldn't come as that much of a shock to Bay after the Transformers movies and dealing with its fandom lulz.

Someone bump Jester's JSBSB internet exposition clip, please? I need the refresher.

[NinjaPug]

This reminds me of the JJ Abrams Superman script from 10 years ago that thankfully never got made into a movie. He completely changed the origin story.

- krypton never explodes. Superman's parents are alive.
- kal-el was sent to earth because of a prophecy
- Jor-el handpicked the Kents to raise Kal
- superman did martial arts
- lex Luthor was a CIA agent focused on UFOs
- LEX LUTHOR WAS ALSO FROM KRYPTON

We'll see what happens with TMNT.

[Oculus Orbus]

Fans need to take a breath, and chill. They have not read the script. Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story. Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place. We are just building a richer world.

I'm sorry, but he's basically saying nothing there. It's ambiguous, and doesn't even mention the alien origin. Also, and even tho I have the deepest respect for E&L and really appreciate that one of them (Eastman, most likely) is involved, it doesn't guarantee anything. I mean, they were also involved in SotO and TMNT3.

[Bob]

I wish there was some way to prevent this movie from being filmed.

And this mentality, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason why people like Michael Bay (amongst many others) laugh at fans or, as they would call them, "fanboys".

[azrael]

I am betting its PL, for one reason... He isn't bitching about it.

[Kendamu]

Glanced at it and it's still pretty much a ton of people just yelling about Bay. I am beginning to think he could have said pretty much anything and people would have been yelling at him. :trazz:

People would've been saying, "Michael Bay? He's gonna rape my childhood!" no matter what. In this case, people just had something very specific to run off of right away.

[Bob]

People would've been saying, "Michael Bay? He's gonna rape my childhood!" no matter what. In this case, people just had something very specific to run off of right away.

Well, Bay is the new Internet George Lucas. He's hated, even by people who don't have a reason. Not that anyone has a reason to "hate" someone they've never met.

[Slap-Happy]

I don't see Kevin being all gung-ho on the turtles actually being from space. The more I'm looking at it the more it seems that the turtles have origins in space in that the mutagen is an alien substance.