The Official E3 2012 Thread For Great Justice

[Peanut]

It's here again gang! We're just a week away from E3 2012 and a ton of new game info! The Wii U is gonna be blown out, MS and Sony will probably ignore the inevitable new console announcement and we'll probably laugh and cry at more poorly produced press conferences!

Pre-show press conference times:

Monday June 4th
Microsoft - 9:30 AM
EA - 1:00 PM
Ubisoft - 3:00 PM
Sony - 6:00 PM

Tuesday June 5th
Nintendo - 9:00 AM

And of course once the show starts rolling around I'm sure we'll have a lot of members dropping info, videos and screens so that we can all keep up to date. Now, the meat of the discussion. What's everyone looking forward to? Predictions?

[The Stryker]

More Kinect and Killzone please.

[Turo602]

Wii U details and possible name change
The Legend of Zelda 3DS
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Smash Bros Wii U Teaser
Luigi's Mansion 2
Donkey Kong 3DS?
Star Fox-Metroid: Fusion Saga?
Super Mario Wii U?
Sonic the Hedgehog Wii U?
Halo 4 story/gameplay trailer
New Gears of War
Resident Evil 6 gameplay trailer
Resident Evil: Revelations DLC?
Resident Evil: Downfall?
Splinter Cell Black List trailer
Grand Theft Auto V
Tomb Raider
Dead Rising 3 reveal
Rainbow Six: Patriots info and trailer
More Assassin's Creed III
Prince of Persia?
Tomb Raider gameplay trailer
Kane and Lynch 3?
Army of Four
Dead Space 3
Saint's Row the Third: Enter the Dominatrix


I guess that's it, for now.

[Cure]

I'm looking forward to Wii U stuff. Above all else, I want it to have a good online structure. Like I've told my dawgz, I would not mind at all paying for one as long as it meant it was great.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Wii U details and possible name change
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Smash Bros Wii U Teaser
Luigi's Mansion 2
Super Mario Wii U?
Sonic the Hedgehog Wii U?
Halo 4 story/gameplay trailer
Rainbow Six: Patriots info and trailer
More Assassin's Creed III




Pretty much this.

Are all the press conferences being aired on G4 or will Microsfts be on SPIKE again?

[Peanut]

I'm not sure that G4 will be carrying everything again this year, but the big three have taken care of things themselves this year. Nintendo and Sony will both be live streaming theirs through official websites. I'm not sure if Microsoft will be on Spike again, but I do know they're live streaming the conference on Live.

[Brodie]

Since I'm working, I'll be expecting frequent text updates from Peanut, Stryker and Cure.

Also, why the **** would they waste E3 time for DLC to a game that came out months ago---DLC which we've already gotten info on? DAMNIT TURO.

[愛]

I'm not particularly interested in anything this year, sad to say. I'll watch the big three like usual, though. Sh*t is so hype every year, even when we know nothing good is being shown.

[Redeemer]

I am most interested in the Wii U, I like all the uses is has and Nintendo has had great titles recently. I unfortunately dont have a Wii so I think I will b getting a Wii U....Also Halo 4, welcome back MasterChief :D
Oh and Assassin's Creed 3

[IamtheNorm]

I'm not particularly interested in anything this year, sad to say. I'll watch the big three like usual, though. Sh*t is so hype every year, even when we know nothing good is being shown.

I'm with you. I sure there might be one or two things that I'll get excited about, but we will see once E3 comes around.

[Peanut]

I'm not particularly interested in anything this year, sad to say. I'll watch the big three like usual, though. Sh*t is so hype every year, even when we know nothing good is being shown.

Because there's always the chance! WE CAN DREAM!

Just like every year I'm going to hope and pray that Rare is allowed to do something with their existing properties that isn't complete sh*t, even though I know that pipe dream gets less and less likely every year I say it.

[Turo602]

Also, why the **** would they waste E3 time for DLC to a game that came out months ago---DLC which we've already gotten info on? DAMNIT TURO.

It's something I'd like to see, but not sure will happen, hence the question mark. And last I checked, Capcom has mentioned possible DLC in a magazine recently. Also, so what if it came out months ago? Is Batman Arkham City not receiving DLC? A game that released months before RE:Revelations. I especially want DLC because I found something odd about the game, which was Rachel. They had a whole trailer dedicated to her, and none of what was seen there ever happened in the game. I also remember seeing gameplay footage of her, which is odd.

Just like every year I'm going to hope and pray that Rare is allowed to do something with their existing properties that isn't complete sh*t, even though I know that pipe dream gets less and less likely every year I say it.

Yeah, it's a damn shame Rare went to ****. I recently found myself interested in Conker's Bad Fur Day and it would be cool for Microsoft to expand a bit.

[Frozen_Cereal]

I'm mainly excited for Nintendo's conference this year, given that we might get new info on Smash Bros and Luigi's Mansion. One of my favorite parts of E3 is the occasional surprise, so if Atlus decides to reveal Persona 5 at some point, or if we got more information on Final Fantasy Versus XIII or Kingdom Hearts III from Square Enix, that would certainly be interesting. I can only hope E3 will be great this year.

[Cure]

The only way they can make me excited about Kingdom Hearts 3 is if they guarantee that it'll be more Disney and less Square sh*t.

[愛]

What always cracked me up about Kingdom Hearts was the imbalance of stages between the two companies. Mostly Disney, no Square. It was like they were embarrassed. And they should be!

[TheCanadiandrome]

I'm not sure that G4 will be carrying everything again this year, but the big three have taken care of things themselves this year. Nintendo and Sony will both be live streaming theirs through official websites. I'm not sure if Microsoft will be on Spike again, but I do know they're live streaming the conference on Live.

got that email from Nintendo. might try to catch theirs online. Sony's also, I know they do theirs in HOME, might be interesting to catch it there.

I'm on holidays all next week so i'll be keeping tabs on everything! i don't wanna miss a single big release or any announcements/surprises that there may be

[Peanut]

I'm mainly excited for Nintendo's conference this year, given that we might get new info on Smash Bros and Luigi's Mansion. One of my favorite parts of E3 is the occasional surprise, so if Atlus decides to reveal Persona 5 at some point, or if we got more information on Final Fantasy Versus XIII or Kingdom Hearts III from Square Enix, that would certainly be interesting. I can only hope E3 will be great this year.

I don't know that E3 would be the venue for a Persona 5 announcement. Atlus has a history of letting NA game releases hang long after Japanese announcements. P4 Golden just got announced for a NA release a couple weeks ago, but the game was announced last summer for Japan and hits there I think in the next two weeks.

What always cracked me up about Kingdom Hearts was the imbalance of stages between the two companies. Mostly Disney, no Square. It was like they were embarrassed. And they should be!

What kind of stage could they have actually made for Square though? They've got huge field from generic fantasy world or back alley from generic steam punk future world.

[Cure]

They could have Midgar, right?! That's original and not steam punky at all!

Also, Lain. lolololz

[愛]

You actually made me look and see if someone changed my name. ROALZ

[Turo602]

Splinter Cell: Blacklist! (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/30/is-splinter-cell-6-called-black-list) **** yeah!!!

[Brodie]

If its like Conviction, I'm in. If its like any other Splinter Cell? No thanks.

[愛]

Not an old school SC guy? I sort of felt that the franchise lost its sense of stealth, though stealth wasn't really that hard to achieve in those games, anyway.

Anyone remember that spy vs. spy multiplayer mode that they implemented into the games, and then randomly removed at one point? That made me sad.

[Peanut]

I think the trial and error stealth genre took a bullet for a reason. That sh*t just isn't fun anymore and I'm gonna go ahead and say wasn't fun almost immediately. It got to a point where you'd save, mess around a few times until you figure out the general layout and enemy pattern of an area and then reload and go for a good run, reloading and saving as necessary. That just isn't fun.

I still think Conviction is the best Splinter Cell since the first game in the series. The stealth aspect is still there, but it's snappier. The faster pace makes sneaking around and taking dudes out way more fun than just waiting around a corner for 30 seconds while a dude slowly makes his way towards you.

Like Brodie said, Conviction style SC or I couldn't care less.

[TheCanadiandrome]

so from what i can see, Spike's airing allot of E3 coverage on Monday and Tuesday and G4 ain't airing nothing.

[Turo602]

New Gears of War title? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/31/gears-of-war) Well, this was unexpected...

[Slap-Happy]

Looking forward to Ryse from Crytek.

[Redeemer]

New Gears of War title? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/31/gears-of-war) Well, this was unexpected...

Turo I freaken love you!!!!

[Peanut]

New Gears of War title? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/31/gears-of-war) Well, this was unexpected...

Unexpected? It was pretty much already announced three different times.

I hate that they're doing this sh*t AGAIN this year, though. Dead Space 3, new Gears, Skyrim: Dawnguard reveal, new DC fighter from NetherRealm, Star Wars 1313, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, Shin Megami Tensei 4. Everything is getting blown way ahead yet again. Super f*cking annoying. Looks like another E3 where sh*t all happens we haven't already heard of. Nintendo is the only one with anything still under wraps.

[Turo602]

Unexpected? It was pretty much already announced three different times.

Well duh, a new Gears was inevitable... But really? An announcement? This soon? The Gears of War trilogy wrapped up perfectly this gen. I was expecting another title for next generation. A prequel most likely. Maybe Microsoft has something up their sleeve for E3, after all.

[sdp]

I'm looking forward the most to the Wii U and I'm not even that excited about the Wii U, in fact I'm pretty disappointed that it's only a souped up version of current gen I was hoping something more along the lines of 360.5/PS3.5 instead of the .1 upgrade we're getting. Still I love Nintendo games and I'll have a blast with the console no matter how much third party support it gets.

As far as the other consoles, I'm just tired of current gen, all we're getting is sequels of stuff we've already played. It would really take something revolutionary/new/shocking to keep me interested but I don't see it happening sadly.

[TheCanadiandrome]

New Gears of War title? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/31/gears-of-war) Well, this was unexpected...

Very cool!

[Peanut]

Well duh, a new Gears was inevitable... But really? An announcement? This soon? The Gears of War trilogy wrapped up perfectly this gen. I was expecting another title for next generation. A prequel most likely. Maybe Microsoft has something up their sleeve for E3, after all.

Again, it was already announced, just not the specifics. Someone at Epic, maybe Mark Rein, said they were working on a "new gears experience" before 3 even came out. There was some speculation it was a Kinect game and some speculation that People Can Fly was behind it.

[Turo602]

Again, it was already announced, just not the specifics. Someone at Epic, maybe Mark Rein, said they were working on a "new gears experience" before 3 even came out. There was some speculation it was a Kinect game and some speculation that People Can Fly was behind it.

Gears of War Exile, I knew about, but that has been canceled for a while already. The People Can Fly project, I just found out about recently. Weren't they working on Bulletstorm 2 which they put on hold for a more important project? Which now seems to be Gears. I just found it wierd that they're announcing another Gears game just months after GoW 3 released. Almost like overkill, but too early to judge.

[Peanut]

There was never talk about Bulletstorm 2. Rein said they liked the project and thought it was quality, but the game sold like sh*t.

[Turo602]

There was never talk about Bulletstorm 2. Rein said they liked the project and thought it was quality, but the game sold like sh*t.

IGN said something about People Can Fly getting pulled from Bulletstorm 2, here (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/05/31/what-is-the-new-gears-of-war). I guess development never really started then, or they started to work on it and moved on to Gears. Could be either one, according to IGN anyway.

And I'm also really loving the direction the new Tomb Raider is going in.
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[Peanut]

Stop reading IGN. It's the asshole of videogame websites.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Stop reading IGN. It's the asshole of videogame websites.

:lol: this made me lol!

[Turo602]

Stop reading IGN. It's the asshole of videogame websites.

Technically I was watching/hearing.;)

Anyway, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance looks really cool.
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WRONG!:P

I didn't even know Depeche Mode still made music. Great song BTW.

[愛]

Oh yeah, the game based on the character very few people liked? I gotta say...I don't see the point in a game like that considering the franchise it's based on.

[TheCanadiandrome]

yeah most spin off games don't usually do well, even if the character used is popular, and like you said, that character wasn't too liked

[Barkworm]

I hated MGS4, the gameplay in this one looks a bit entertaining but as far as over-the-top storytelling goes, I think I'm done with this series.

[Archon_Turtle]

I just wanted to pop in and say if anyone is going to the show and wants to grab a bite, or walk the floor, or exchange fist-bumps and/or high-fives with me... PM me your number :-)

[IamtheNorm]

I just wanted to pop in and say if anyone is going to the show and wants to grab a bite, or walk the floor, or exchange fist-bumps and/or high-fives with me... PM me your number :-)

Dude is there anywhere you aren't? You're like an easter egg or something, a little surprise hidden at each event. :lol:

[Barkworm]

I usually hate CG trailers but the one for the new Castlevania was pretty awesome.

[The Stryker]

Really? I thought it was cliched garbage. Oh look a guy who has the same powers as the main character but he's evil and has white hair. Must be EVERY BAD JAPANESE GAME EVER MADE!

[Peanut]

After watching it, I think it's supposed to be Alucard. My problem is with the fact that they're pulling a cop-out after the ending of the first game. That game ended with f*cking Dracula in a modern city, now we go back to see Gabriel before he's a totally pissed and hateful Dracula in the same setting as the first game. Suuuuuucks.

[Frozen_Cereal]

What kind of bothers me about this E3 is that most of the games that we've heard of so far are either sequels or prequels. Not to say that new entries in an awesome series are bad, it's just that the gaming industry could use some great new IPs.

[Peanut]

That bothers you about this years E3?

[Frozen_Cereal]

Well, it goes for the last couple of E3s. The problem is that there's too much sequel/prequel and little new stuff.

[Cure]

Welcome to video games.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I've been enjoying the Microsoft Xbox presentation, lots to look forward to coming to the 360

[Peanut]

Microsoft conference. Oh f*cking boy. Worthless.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Sony is up later, looking forward to their conference, and seeing God of War ascension

[The Stryker]

You would. It looks like absolute trash.

[TheCanadiandrome]

What are you looking forward to then?

[The Stryker]

Things that don't look like garbage mostly.

[TheCanadiandrome]

So, COD Black Ops 2 or Gears of War Judgment, or Halo 4?

[The Stryker]

How about Splinter Cell. That looked hot.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Yeah that did look good. Tomb Raider looked good. Might get em both

[The Stryker]

I doubt it!

Resident Evil 6 also impressed me a bit. I hadn't seen a thing gameplay wise and I thought it looked cool. I also loved RE5 so I'm probably offbase from the 'core RE fanbase' but whatever man.

[TheCanadiandrome]

What did you think of the South Park game?

[The Stryker]

Barely anything was shown but it looked alright.

[TheCanadiandrome]

EAs up next showing their games

[Turo602]

Halo 4, Resident Evil 6, and Splinter Cell Blacklist...Holy ****en **** nuggets! Highlight of my day. Although, I'm still disappointed that Michael Ironside is no longer voicing Sam Fisher.

[Peanut]

Come on, man. Some of that stuff looked neat, but are you actually still impressed by this kind of stuff anymore?

[The Stryker]

The only surprise for me so far is UFC going to EA sports.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Ubisoft's up next

[The Stryker]

Nooooo sh*t.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Looking forward to AC3 and the newest Rainbow Six game

[Cure]

Rayman Legends and Watch Dogs, guys, amirite?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Watch Dogs basically just cucked Rockstar in the ass. I want that game now.

Otherwise, I'm waiting on Sony. Vita lives or dies at 8:00.

Tomorrow... Nintendo. Hold me.

[Peanut]

Nintendo needs to pull through. This gen has gone on too long. It's so f*cking tiring.

Edit: Sony done. My feelings? Save us, Nintendo! You're our only hope!

[Cure]

Nintendo will be good, u gayz. I can feel it.

[Peanut]

Holy f*ck! Star Wars 1313 looks god damned amazing. Cagey on the specifics, saying it's been built and runs on "very high-end PC hardware" which I take as code for "next-gen systems". Sounds like 1313 and Watch Dogs may end up being the first two next-gen games we actually know about.

Here! (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-star-wars/731126)

[Redeemer]

uggh.....little bummed that Marcus Fenix wont be starring in this next Gears of War game......I am interested to see this new "Over-run mode" Also I am always up for more Gears Campaigns

[Turo602]

Come on, man. Some of that stuff looked neat, but are you actually still impressed by this kind of stuff anymore?

Well, if three of my favorite franchises going through a pretty major evolution (and not bad ones either) isn't something to get excited over, then I don't know what is.

Watch Dogs looks very awesome. And hey, it takes place in Chicago, finally. The Last of Us looks pretty good too.

[Barkworm]

It's very hard to get excited about any console game when you see stuff like Watch Dogs and 1313. Even "The Last of Us" pales in comparison and the gameplay video looked... boring.

[Peanut]

RIGHT!? Especially when all of the current-gen stuff has been retreading the same ground for yeeeears and has gone into an entirely new realm of staleness this year. 1313 and Watch Dogs have stolen this thing so far.

I think That Last of Us was among the more intriguing things at the show, but it honestly looks like Uncharted with less ammo and a lot of sneaking. Naughty Dog is good at what they do and I'm sure the game will be polished as hell, but it looked like a chore to play. Sony had a pretty boring conference overall, seemingly leaving the Vita to die already, more boring talking heads from Quantic Dream, a jank looking Smash Bros rip-off, underwhelming "third party exclusive" content which amounts to nonsense for a bad looking game (Farcry 3) and more hardware bundles, absolutely busted Move crap, and perhaps the stalest thing at the show with more God of War.

Microsoft was worse though. I admit to being more interested in Halo 4 than I was in ODST and Reach, Splinter Cell taking the "killing in motion" thing to the next level looked hot, and I'm still interested in the South Park RPG, (jokes about the conference were the highlight) but the rest of it was a wash. Fable? Forza? Gears again this quickly? Microsoft desperately needs more first-party IP and MGS needs a huge infusion of talent. A handful of XBLA titles that leave zero impression, barely functioning Kinect crap, further proof that Resident Evil 6 may as well be the start of an entirely different series, more "added functionality" to one of the most outdated pieces of hardware in the industry, and more embarrassing dancing. Also closing out on the ever present and SUPER LONG AND BORING Black Ops 2 demo was the worst thing ever.

EA may as well have never happened. Looks like they're ruining Dead Space, so great. F*ck them.

Ubisoft would have been a great conference if they didn't, once again, decide to saddle the show with an unfunny nobody incapable of not being a sh*t stain for 2 straight seconds. Aisha Tyler would have been perfect on her own. Rayman Legends had an amazing demo, but it looks like the exact same game as Origins, which I couldn't really get into. Farcry 3 looks embarrassingly mediocre, Assassin's Creed 3 has given me faith again, the entire Shootmania thing was a joke and a ruse that used a days old livestream, and Flo Rida SOUNDS AWFUL LIVE! Watch Dogs stole the show, especially with the revelation that it was also multiplayer, which blew my mind.

I hope Nintendo doesn't disappoint tomorrow.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I can't wait for Assassin's Creed 3! That gameplay was awesome! And I've had it preordered for awhile already

[Slap-Happy]

Watch Dogs looks amazing. Very, very excited to play that game.

[Luke795]

Can someone give a recap for each day of E3 for me?

[The Stryker]

No. You have the internet.

Oh boy. Arkham. Again. Whooooo.....

[The Stryker]

Wii U looked like sh*t. What a ****** conference.

[Barkworm]

The WiiU looked AWFUL.

[Cure]

That sh*t was f*cking bullsh*t out the f*cking ass.

F*ck you, TMB, I blame you.

[LeoNerdo]

Nintendo was weak this year. They didn't want to show anything that won't be available in their "launch window" apparently. That said there is some great 3rd party stuff, most we've known about. Arkham City still looks good, Assassin's Creed 3 is interesting, Lego City looks like it could be a lot of fun. They didn't try to wow anybody this year though, no real new first party IP's. I wanted to find out what Retro is working on. Wii U is still interesting to me, and has a ton of potential, but I don't think they won anybody over that wasn't already interested in it or those who are on the fence. Looking forward to what they show for 3DS this week also.

[The Stryker]

I dont get how Arkhan City looked good. It looked exactly the same. On a console thats supposed to be next gen. Stupid second screen gimmicks don't make a year old game worth new money.

[Peanut]

Wii U looks so bad. Nintendo has put themselves in an awful position with that POS. F*cking 10 year old hardware and another gimmick. Great. They better hope all the fools who fell for the Wii fall equally as hard for the Wii U or this is Gamecube all over again.

They can't really be THIS stupid, can they? You expect people to give a sh*t when your "next-gen" console comes out and everything on it looks like games we've been playing for 6+ years? What happens when the new Xbox and Playstation come out, Nintendo? Shovelware and ports out the f*cking ass. They've got a year from the moment this thing launches before it's completely and utterly out of date by a DECADE. A DECADE NINTENDO! 10 F*CKING YEARS!

Edit: Best part of E3.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/17635/2227634-miyamoto.gif

[ThirdMarioBro]

I've said a thousand times that I don't care about the hardware at all. It's 1080p. Whoopie. That's all I need. The hardware looks nice in my opinion. I LOVE the controller, but I want freaking GAMES, and they didn't show me ****. Consider me pissed as hell. The conference sucked balls. New SMB 2 & U both use the same goddamn graphics engine they've been using since 2005 on the DS (love the squirrel suit though). Oh well. I'll play them both and love them both.

Nintendo conference sucked. Microsoft conference sucked. Sony was alright, but strung out. Ubisoft was awesome. F*ck Usher, and f*ck Flo Rida.

Assassins Creed 3 looks spectacular, but Watch Dogs stuck a grenade right up Rockstar's ass. AMAZING ****.

Star Wars 1313 is game of show. Period. Dear Jesus that looked amazing.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Assassins Creed 3 looks spectacular, but Watch Dogs stuck a grenade right up Rockstar's ass. AMAZING ****.

Star Wars 1313 is game of show. Period. Dear Jesus that looked amazing.

that's pretty much what i agree on

[CyberCubed]

The only thing I liked was Pikmin 3, and that should have been a Wii game.

I really don't understand why Nintendo is constantly rehashing the "New" Super Mario bros. series now. The DS one was a big deal because it was the first 2D Mario in like 15 years. The Wii one had 4 player co-op and the return of the Koopalings.

But now we're getting a NSMB2 on 3DS, AND NSMB on the Wii-U? What the hell is the difference between both games?


I kinda hope the Wii-U is Nintendo's last home console. People won't be fooled again and its time they just focus on games.

[Peanut]

Or put out a system that isn't obsolete upon release? That might help.

[TheCanadiandrome]

do i dare ask what everyone thought of the Assassin's Creed Vita game?

[Peanut]

It looks like typical handheld schlock? The kind of thing the PSP was rife with and no better for it.

[愛]

I remember half of the PSP games I played being Japanese imports, and even those weren't very good. The game I played the most on PSP was a goddamn Mahjong game.

I'm actually really glad I never bought a Vita or a 3DS. The handheld market is simply awful. Once I can download games for free on them, I'll pick them up...maybe.

[CyberCubed]

Most of the gaming industry is in a slump creatively. Every new game they've shown I feel like I've played before. The Japanese gaming industry is all but dead at this point.

The Last of Us does seem way too close to Uncharted gameplay wise. God of War looks the same as the last 5 games, (its the 6th in the series if you count the PSP ones).

Assassin's Creed III will likely be good, but its the 5th in the series. RE6 I'll buy simply for being a hardcore RE fan for 15 years, although I know others will hate it.

Dead Space 3 at least looks awesome, it was my favorite new franchise of the generation. The Tomb Raider reboot surprisingly looks good.

[Peanut]

Dead Space 3 looks terrible. It's yet another "take this awesome atmospheric, slow-paced game and TURN DA ACTION UP TO 11! RAAAWR!" You have cover-based SHOOTOUTS with HUMAN BEINGS. F*ck. That.

And again this is the end of the longest console cycle in history. Do people really expect to see new IP and mind-blowing sh*t for the current generation of consoles? These last two years have been nothing but a stop gap while things gear up for the next generation.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I don't get why people keep bashing the Wii U's hardware when we don't even know the specs. I'm not really defending. I just want info. Somebody show me the specs, and if they suck I'll bash right along.

[The Stryker]

I'm just bashing it because what I saw of it looked like same old sh*t we've been seeing for the past 6 years.

Not even good sh*t either. Low end Wii sh*t. Scribblenauts looking no better than a 2 dollar iPhone game? Come on son.

[Peanut]

I don't get why people keep bashing the Wii U's hardware when we don't even know the specs. I'm not really defending. I just want info. Somebody show me the specs, and if they suck I'll bash right along.

Word on da street is that it's on par with the 360/PS3, better and worse in some areas. That doesn't instill confidence.

Also, soooo much sh*t about how mainstream press doesn't know the Wii U is an actual console and not just an add-on. Nintendo should have learned their lesson with the sh*tty 3DS name.

[TheCanadiandrome]

And again this is the end of the longest console cycle in history. Do people really expect to see new IP and mind-blowing sh*t for the current generation of consoles? These last two years have been nothing but a stop gap while things gear up for the next generation.

So is that a prediction for E3 next year? The big next gen reveal?

[Peanut]

If it isn't I'm gonna get a new f*cking hobby.

[Slap-Happy]

It's a little worrying that the Wii U is only coming now that next-gen consoles are on the horizon. Is Nintendo going to be stuck a generation behind everybody else?

[Cure]

Is Nintendo going to be stuck a generation behind everybody else?

They are and have been.

[Peanut]

UVX0OUO9ptU

NEXT GEN! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

*dies*

[Slap-Happy]

They are and have been.

I know that they were with the Wii. I'm just wondering when they're going to catch up.

[Peanut]

At this point? Probably never.

[Barkworm]

I know that they were with the Wii. I'm just wondering when they're going to catch up.

If the Wii U tanks and they'll have to come up with a new business strategy.

[CyberCubed]

Their handhelds have always been inferior graphically to the competition yet held up fine. The Gameboy destroyed the Game Gear, and the GBA and DS had fantastic libraries. Even though the PSP sold well, its game library is absolutely abysmall compared to the DS's.

The Vita is currently bombing in every country while the 3DS is on track to outsell the DS at this point.

Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo should go handheld only if the Wii-U fails. Especially now that the 3DS is as powerful as the Gamecube/Wii.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo should go handheld only if the Wii-U fails.

i'd mentioned that myself once before.

but can they still go strong just focusing on the handheld market alone, when the Iphone and Ipad offer way cheaper games with just as good graphics as on the 3DS?

[Peanut]

LOL! What the ****!?

[The Stryker]

i'd mentioned that myself once before.

but can they still go strong just focusing on the handheld market alone, when the Iphone and Ipad offer way cheaper games with just as good graphics as on the 3DS?

Oh jesus.

Know what games look exactly the same? Angry Birds and f*cking Luigi's mansion.

Clown idiot.

[Redeemer]

ass-hole sense is tingling :!:

[Peanut]

Spider sense detects danger, not spiders. It's called a spider sense because he's Spider-Man. What you're telling me is you have asshole sense, there for you must be Asshole-Man, with the power of an asshole.

[Brodie]

I ****ing love Peanut. He says things I think before I can type them.

[Frozen_Cereal]

i'd mentioned that myself once before.

but can they still go strong just focusing on the handheld market alone, when the Iphone and Ipad offer way cheaper games with just as good graphics as on the 3DS?

You know, just because the Iphone/Ipad/Iwhatever games can have graphics just as good 3DS games doesn't mean that they're better games. A game can have beautiful graphics yet have horribad gameplay, I don't know why so many people think that graphics mean everything in a game. Most of those Iphone games are as cheap as they are because they're rudimentary games that are good for playing for a few minutes while you're bored, but they certainly aren't a complete gaming experience like Mario Kart 7, Resident Evil: Revelations, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, etc.

[The Stryker]

Don't mention complete gaming experience and RE:Revelations in the same statement.

[Frozen_Cereal]

Don't mention complete gaming experience and RE:Revelations in the same statement.

I thought it was good, but we all have our own opinions. My point is that the 3DS offers longer and more developed gaming experience in comparison to the typical cheap Iphone game.

[CyberCubed]

I only have 5 3DS games:

Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Kid Icarus Uprising
Zelda OOT
Starfox 64


And two of them are remakes of games from 13-14 years ago. I just watched Nintendo's 3DS presentation, New Super Mario Bros. 2 looks almost exactly like the previous two, they're even rehashing the same horrible music in the levels. :-?

I never thought Nintendo would rehash 2D Mario as if it were Madden, but here we are with 4 different 2D "New" Mario titles that all look almost exactly the same.

[Peanut]

Nintendo is in a bad spot. After the astronomical success of the Wii and DS its completely mind-blowing to see how they're seemingly ready to collapse under the weight of their own stupidity.

[TheCanadiandrome]

You know, just because the Iphone/Ipad/Iwhatever games can have graphics just as good 3DS games doesn't mean that they're better games. A game can have beautiful graphics yet have horribad gameplay, I don't know why so many people think that graphics mean everything in a game. Most of those Iphone games are as cheap as they are because they're rudimentary games that are good for playing for a few minutes while you're bored, but they certainly aren't a complete gaming experience like Mario Kart 7, Resident Evil: Revelations, Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, etc.

That's true, but theres games like the "Infinity Blade" series and some ports of XBLA and PSN games on iPhone and iPad and they are complete gaming experiences and also quite popular just like those titles you mention

[Barkworm]

Spider sense detects danger, not spiders. It's called a spider sense because he's Spider-Man. What you're telling me is you have asshole sense, there for you must be Asshole-Man, with the power of an asshole.
While even I sometimes feel like I'm getting tired of the negativity here, this quote is an instant classic. Great work, sir!

[sdp]

Nintendo is in a bad spot. After the astronomical success of the Wii and DS its completely mind-blowing to see how they're seemingly ready to collapse under the weight of their own stupidity.

People called the DS and the Wii the end of Nintendo as well. Come on everyone has spelled doom for Nintendo since I was a kid. The 3DS has picked up and the Wii U while it failed to impress at E3 it really isn't that bad, the launch is already looking pretty good, Nintendoland as a pack-in should be fun which is what I expect it to be and more interesting than Wiisports was. NSMBU is no 3D Mario but have you looked at the recent videos it looks pretty damn fun something I haven't felt since the original NSMB (NSMB2/NSMBWii). Pikmin 3 may have a limited appeal but that is a system seller for me. I would've bought the Wii U regardless since my favorite developer is Nintendo and I know I'll eventually get awesome games in it, I don't spend all my free time playing videogames sadly I don't have the time so having months between releases has never hurt me, I guess if I was a "hardcore" gamerj who has to play something new all the time that might be a problem.

The graphics of the Wii U is about what we expected, in fact it might even be much better than what we expect it, I won't judge it until a few years down the road, remember the Wii was indeed just a faster Gamecube while this is a brand new GPU, the Dreamcast to PS2 comparison isn't that far off. Who even knows when PS4/NextBox may launch I wouldn't be surprised if SW1313 and the other "High end" PC games came out on PS3/360 with obvious downgrades, that's happened beforej. Third party failed to do anything impressive but then again to me a NIntendo console doesn't require it, having ports of PS3/360 does nothing for me now anyways and we all knew they weren't getting big third party exclusives. So yeah I think the WIi U will entertain me. Now if NIntendo fails to deliver at next years E3 that's another thing, the launch window of the Wii U is far from abysmal as people make it out to be.

[The Stryker]

It's not a sure thing that Nintendoland is a pack-in.

The fact that they're flip flopping on that is a goddamn joke.

[Peanut]

I'm not spelling doom for Nintendo. They're too good at what they do to ever truly be doomed. At the same time the sentiment around the Wii U is...here's another piece of Nintendo hardware that'll be outstripped by the competition almost immediately, completely lack any true support from third-parties and offer little outside of your typical Nintendo 6-12 month release that everyone is going to buy that sh*t for anyways, which isn't a problem for me, but you have to wonder if it's going to be a problem for everyone else.

Nintendo was doing alright before the Wii and DS, then it exploded, now they're doing the worst they've ever done and it's because they're falling behind the companies that cater to actual game players, so not only are they losing the casuals who don't give a f*ck, they're losing people who've loved their stuff for years. Even as someone who loves Nintendo games and games in general, the thought of the Wii makes me sick. There are so many Nintendo developed Wii games I straight up passed on in the last two years because of how dated and stale they feel.

You say you're ready for two more NSMB games. That's great, but I've been playing Mario games for the past 20+ years and sh*ting out two identical looking titles, NSMBU and NSMB2(what the ****?), in the same 6 month window, on platforms that are supposed to be "next-gen", that also look almost entirely the same as the games that preceded them, which are based almost whole f*cking cloth on games from 20 years ago, is not going to f*cking cut it.

One of the main problems is Nintendo is running out of the nostalgia factor. They've been to the well so many times that when they trot out Mario and Zelda and go "Well, here they are!" it does nothing anymore. They dropped Kirby's Epic Yarn and I was stoked, then they decide to drop ANOTHER Kirby game that's just...you know...Kirby...suck up that guy. Pass. Admittedly I'll be inherently more interested in the WiiU versions of the franchises because they've finally caught up to the technology of the last half decade and it'll be great to see what Nintendo does in that space, if they've got the man-power to generate those kinds of assets, but if in two years this turns into "Here's NSMBU2!" I'm just going to throw my hands up in the air.

I'm going to buy a WiiU, certainly I'm going to buy a lot of the Nintendo produced titles for the WiiU, not only because I want to see Nintendo succeed but because I like their games. However, I think they're banking on another surge of mainstream focus, which is always hard to predict. Worst case scenario is the WiiU is a flash in the pan and Nintendo makes it back to being profitable for at least long enough to do some interesting things before shuttering the WiiU and moving on, but I really hope we get more than that.

I dunno. I kinda want the WiiU to sink just enough that Nintendo realizes who the f*ck kept them alive all these years and repays us with more than "We know you like X from the X franchise from X years ago, so we made the exact same game as last time, but we put X in it then showed it off in a trailer so you all go crazy about how X is back in the game!"


That's true, but theres games like the "Infinity Blade" series and some ports of XBLA and PSN games on iPhone and iPad and they are complete gaming experiences and also quite popular just like those titles you mention

Infinity Blade is the rare f*cking example of an iDevice game that looks good. And those games are complete to the extent that your typical downloadable game would be, but they still don't touch a fully featured handheld game. And at the same time, you're also paying $5 - $10 for those console ports and "real" games on an iPad or iPhone. Let's also not pretend for a second that any actual games requiring more than a screen tap is even remotely playable on an those devices. Virtual joysticks are a joke.

Very simply, you can't sell a game with the depth and fidelity of something like Pokemon or Paper Mario for 99 cents and make anything out of it, and the only reason any iPhone game is making money is because they cost almost nothing, which is fitting because they're generally worth almost nothing.

[sdp]

I was excited about the first NSMB since it was well a "New" SMB but that was back in the early days of the DS. I never cared for SMBWii since it looked like more of the same though I'll admit the one time I played it with 4 people I had a lot of fun. NSMB2 doesn't really do much for me but I'll give it a pass since we did get 3D Land. NSMBU doesn't get me crazy excited but some of the video's i've seen look gorgeous and fun. Now this isn't a system seller for me that is Pikmin for me and the fact that I know eventually I'll get titles I want. NSMBU looks like a good second game I'll pick up and enjoy with the console. Nintendoland actually looks pretty fun, I loved Pacman VS on the Cube and got to play it like once for obvious reasons. I would never buy this game but it looks like a pack-in for sure, it hasn't been confirmed but I'm betting it will, I wouldn't buy it otherwise but for a freebie it should be fun.

I wanted more information from the press conferences and whatnot but at least the Wii U if you look at the "Launch" window it isn't that bad, better than the Wii launch window in my eyes at least. We'll see what next year delivers. Nintendo is full of missed opportunities, that's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of them. Their strange methods are both their greatest strength and weakness.

I'm just so tired of this generation's games and while Wii U may have similar specs I'm already seeing more color today than whatever else was gone. The rest of E3 was boring, I find current gen graphics to look like plastic and I tire of all the gray, I hope Wii U does something different, especially if this gen is sticking for another 2 years... I think I'm giving hope on Sony ever wowing me again with some first party title and well Microsoft never did have muchj to offer first party wise outside of Halo which I never cared for. So which of those two will have my money next-gen is still up in the air.

[Peanut]

So...despite this E3 just being awful in terms of news and exciting announcements, it seems like developers are actively attempting to destroy their games. Dead Space 3 sounds...absolutely f*cking awful? Like...everything they've said sounds like it's totally contrary to what the series IS. You fight human beings using cover, you have universal ammo for all your weapons, the game is sectioned off with some kind of loading doors and you can't ROTATE THE F*CKING PLASMA CUTTER? WHAT!?

Darksiders 2 also looks pretty bad. Apparently it's less Zelda and more God of War with loot drops and light puzzle solving? What the f*ck is going on?

And I know my views on LP2 are contrary to popular opinion, but LP3 looks like everything I don't want from that series.

Also, I read that Beyond is just Heavy Rain with LESS interaction...which would be what exactly? A cut-scene? It's like everyone was seriously out to make this the worst E3 imaginable.

[Turo602]

Seriously...E3 ****ed a dick this year. It started strong, then just went to hell. I'm especially disappointed in Nintendo. I was expecting some new and exciting announcements.

[tmnt transformer]

Dudes just chill......The Wii-u Might be better then you think.

[Peanut]

Uuuuugghhhh. New kids in the VG section.

[Brodie]

Man, **** E3.

What a waste of everyone's ****ing time.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Infinity Blade is the rare f*cking example of an iDevice game that looks good. And those games are complete to the extent that your typical downloadable game would be, but they still don't touch a fully featured handheld game. And at the same time, you're also paying $5 - $10 for those console ports and "real" games on an iPad or iPhone. Let's also not pretend for a second that any actual games requiring more than a screen tap is even remotely playable on an those devices. Virtual joysticks are a joke.

Very simply, you can't sell a game with the depth and fidelity of something like Pokemon or Paper Mario for 99 cents and make anything out of it, and the only reason any iPhone game is making money is because they cost almost nothing, which is fitting because they're generally worth almost nothing.

ok, you made your point

[Barkworm]

This is the first E3 in TEN years of which I didn't watch any interviews or press conferences. I had a feeling it would be bad and OH GOD it was bad. Stuff like the two "new" NSMB games make me sick and if I watch a video of a franchise I once truly loved (both GoWs) and think "Yeah. I really, really don't care." there must be a problem somewhere. Even things I was excited about like the new Paper Mario (stickers... wow) or The last of Us looked boring.

This generation has outstayed its welcome by a long shot. It was an admittedly awesome one but it's time to get the f*ck out.

[sdp]

This whole generation was a disappointment by all three companies, sure we got some awesome games but most gamers seem to agree on this. Also people are complaining about this E3, but we've been complaining about E3 pretty much since it downsized back in 2007. Nintendo wouldn't show anything new MS/Sony went "casual" with their conferences. We haven't gotten an exciting E3 in years.

[The Stryker]

What gamers? Retarded nostalgia f*gs? This generation has been fine, great even.

It just needs to die now is all.

[sdp]

Each generation has it's problems but they don't come close to this gen. You can overlook at some of the stuff like too many shooters but not the biggest offenders like DLC, pre-order exclusives and online passes. Which sadly won't go away. You basically said the same thing I said but with different words, this gen was fine but it's overstayed it's welcome it wasn't that great to continue for another 2 years which is what it's looking like.

[The Stryker]

Wait, DLC is an awful thing from this gen to you? Oh boy.

[Barkworm]

Isn't the ridiculous amount of DLC one of the most criticized aspects of this generation? He's got a point there.

[Turo602]

Isn't the ridiculous amount of DLC one of the most criticized aspects of this generation? He's got a point there.

I don't mind DLC because it expands the experience. But what I don't like, is when DLC is used as a form of robbery *cough* Capcon *cough*. Like ****en locking content on a disc just so we can pay for it again. Other than that, this gen was great.

[The Stryker]

Isn't the ridiculous amount of DLC one of the most criticized aspects of this generation? He's got a point there.

Criticized mostly by idiots. Sure some developers abuse it and put out overpriced pieces of garbage but DLC is the greatest thing to come out of this gen IMO.

Its like saying movies are the worst thing in the world just because bad movies exist.

Borderlands is the only justification I need for DLC's existence. A game that was made infinitely better by additional content.

[Frozen_Cereal]

DLC is great because it allows us to keep playing games we already like with new content. I was also a big fan of Borderlands, and the DLC made the game even more amazing than it was at the start. The problems start when companies start locking content on the disc that we paid for to start just to nickel and dime us later. In that case, it's more like part of the game is being stolen from us, since part of the disc that we put money down for is practically gone until we give up more money. I think that if we own the disc, we should get everything on the disc, rather than be cheated out so that the company can make more money.

[Peanut]

There's nothing wrong with DLC. There's also a wrong and a right way to do it.