New Movie Postponed... Release date pushed to May 2014

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56447

"The heroes on the half shell are getting put on the shelf indefinitely.

Paramount has pulled the plug on the Jonathan Liebesman-helmed reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, pushing its release back indefinitely... and, no, it's not for 3D post-conversion and/or more Channing Tatum.

The Hollywood Reporter reports that Paramount, already gun shy with the delays the studio is facing with G.I. JOE: RETALIATION and WORLD WAR Z, is willing to take its time with NINJA TURTLES in order to iron out what it feels are script problems. Rather than rush it out there in order to make its December 2013 release date and potentially damage the future of the franchise with a poor showing, Paramount is learning their lesson of putting forth a subpar product that may come back to bite them in the ass later. Better late than never.

In the meantime, Platinum Dunes will have to chill with the reboot, and, once the script is ready to go, NINJA TURTLES will move forward again... but when that will be is right now anyone's guess."

Your Thoughts?

[Master Splinter]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56447

"The heroes on the half shell are getting put on the shelf indefinitely.

Paramount has pulled the plug on the Jonathan Liebesman-helmed reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, pushing its release back indefinitely... and, no, it's not for 3D post-conversion and/or more Channing Tatum.

The Hollywood Reporter reports that Paramount, already gun shy with the delays the studio is facing with G.I. JOE: RETALIATION and WORLD WAR Z, is willing to take its time with NINJA TURTLES in order to iron out what it feels are script problems. Rather than rush it out there in order to make its December 2013 release date and potentially damage the future of the franchise with a poor showing, Paramount is learning their lesson of putting forth a subpar product that may come back to bite them in the ass later. Better late than never.

In the meantime, Platinum Dunes will have to chill with the reboot, and, once the script is ready to go, NINJA TURTLES will move forward again... but when that will be is right now anyone's guess."

Your Thoughts?


Whhhhhhaaaat?

-ms

[Roseangelo]

I got an email tip about this about an hour ago. Alas!

[Slap-Happy]

Someone should change the thread title. It's definitely still happening.


NINJA TURTLES PUSHED BACK TO MAY 2014

Another week, and another Paramount movie in trouble. First there was G.I. Joe 2‘s plot problems leading to reshoots and a release date delay. Then there was World War Z‘s problematic production and required reshoots and third act revision. Now it’s the Michael Bay-produced Ninja Turtles reboot. Paramount says it has pushed back the pic’s start date by 10 weeks in order to cut the budget $10M to $20M down to $125M. That means the release date also will push back: from Christmas 2013 to May 16, 2014. Initially, Paramount hired the Iron Man writing team of Art Marcum and Matt Holloway for close to $1 million to revamp Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for a fast-tracked live action feature film to be released in summer 2012. At the time, the studio was looking at this as its next huge franchise like Transformers. Then the Jonathan Liebesman-directed live action-CGI combo’s release date was pushed to Christmas 2013. Now Paramount tells me it’s pushed again to May 16th, 2014 — presuming that the studio’s cost target is achieved.
SOURCE (http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/paramount-delays-ninja-turtles-start-date/#utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

[TurtleMaster4]

So, mabey they were going to be aliens after all? or it could of been some thing else. (I doubt they were aliens in the first place.) What are your guy's thoughts on this.

[Bob]

The only problem is that May 2014 is already bursting at the seams with big releases, including the Planet of the Apes sequel, the Spider-Man sequel and an as-yes-unrevealed Marvel Studios film. Interesting that Deadline says the budget is 125 million. Another article over at the Hollywood Reporter describes the film as being "effects heavy". Really hoping it is just temporary.

Basically, Paramount have got problems. I don't think anyone can deny that.

[Mr. Orange]

Maybe Bay's name will detach itself from this by the time it comes back.

And the Nicktoon will decide if the world is ready for more TMNT right now.

[Donnie]

Next thing we hear the toys will be canceled. This sucks.

More changes to the script? W...T...F

[Cure]

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

[Darth Knuckles]

After reading the thread I'm glad they still plan on releasing the movie. The thread title made me almost go bonkers! I guess I'm fine with it in that they want to make it as good as they feel it can be. We already love the characters that are going to be in this movie so the script is the most important thing. I guess I can wait a little longer....again as long as it's getting made.

[Bob]

Maybe this is for the better. I always said that the summer is better suited for this type of film. This way it can get the exposure of a real summer blockbuster. I’m just a little nervous, though, because after having looked at the release schedule for 2014, May 16th is the same release date as the unrevealed Marvel Studios film. Many people think it will either be Doctor Strange, Ant-Man or Black Panther. Could any of them beat out the Ninja Turtles?

In short, I don't think we should all cry just yet. This could work out well. :)

Hopefully Michael Bay will give an update on his website like before.

[Spitfire]

Great news. This gives me hope whatever script they're using may not be the final one.

[ZariusTwo]

Ironing out the script is good news, let's not make this an effects-driven brainless bit of action shlock, let's have a story with heart and purpose, something missing from every brand-based movie nowadays.

[Bob]

Great news. This gives me hope whatever script they're using may not be the final one.

I’m starting to wonder whether it was all that hoo-hah the “aliens” thing created that’s had a part to play in this delay? Could be.

[Jester]

Ironing out the script is good news, let's not make this an effects-driven brainless bit of action shlock, let's have a story with heart and purpose, something missing from every brand-based movie nowadays.

Great news. This gives me hope whatever script they're using may not be the final one.

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

These. :D

[Powder]

A little disappointing that there will be a longer wait but...

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

This.

[mysterycolor]

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.
my thoughts exactly

[MikeandRaph87]

I’m starting to wonder whether it was all that hoo-hah the “aliens” thing created that’s had a part to play in this delay? Could be.

That was my thought when I saw the news. Its good they are taking notice of the backlash on the alien concept. The question of how much profit it would make as well with this backlash and with Turtlemania is in the past played into the script rewrite after TMNT without criticism got just $60 million.It all comes down to how much money can be made.

[KROW]

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

Yep. This will hopefully allow more time to flesh out a more decent product.

[The Stryker]

It's not because of the aliens thing. I can almost guarantee that. Studios don't give a f*ck about nerds complaining about things.

More script work? That's nothing but good. Shows they care about the project and want it to be worth watching.

Channing Tatum should totally play Raphael though.

[Ravenxl7]

My initial reaction was anger, but if they really are pushing it back to ensure the end product isn't a rushed piece of shell, than I'm ok with this. The Christmas release date seemed kinda weird anyways. I just hope that whenever they do release it allows it to shine.

May 2014 might not be the best time to release this movie, what with the multitude of other big name movies set for that month...If they stick with that, I'll see it on opening day, and wait at least a week before seeing any other big name movies. If the movie is actually enjoyable, which I hope it is, I'll probably see it multiple times too.

[Bob]

Providing Paramount stick to the May 2014 date (hope they will), I’m not really that bothered by this, thinking about it some more. Being from England, it was originally scheduled to come out in February 2014 over here anyway. So, for me, the delay is only three months. I bet US fans are pissed, though.

This is the release schedule for May 2014 (from boxofficemojo.com):

• The Amazing Spider-Man #2 (3D) (Sony) - 5/2
• Marvel Untitled 1 (BV) - 5/16 - *and now Ninja Turtles*
• Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (Fox) - 5/23
• Pixels (Sony) - 5/23
• The Good Dinosaur (BV) - 5/30

Looking at it some more, June and July might actually be a better bet, because those two months are still virtually empty.

[Slap-Happy]

Studios don't give a f*ck about nerds complaining about things.

But they do care about making money. When there is almost unanimous hate surrounding a project, the profitibilty of it decreases.

[Cipher]

Thank goodness.

[Drose18]

Yes!!! I hope they rethink everything that is going to happen. It sounds pretty bad from what weve seen!

[RiseAbove873]

Hahahahaha! Yeeeeeeessssssss!

[TurtleTitan97]

It sounds pretty bad from what weve seen!

We haven't seen anything from the movie at all.

[eddski]

Nooooooo :x

but....if it releases a better product then thats cool.....

[Drose18]

We haven't seen anything from the movie at all.

Good point but the alien thing pissed me off!!!

[The Stryker]

But they do care about making money. When there is almost unanimous hate surrounding a project, the profitibilty of it decreases.

Like Transformers right?

OH WAIT.

Good point but the alien thing pissed me off!!!

You mean the thing that we never got a rock solid confirmation on and didn't know how it actually would've played out in a movie at all?

[CyberCubed]

Looks like the alien backlash actually made a difference! I wonder if Michael Bay will leave the project.

[Baxter Stockmen]

I'm more optimistic about this project already.

[gobo]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56447

"The heroes on the half shell are getting put on the shelf indefinitely.

Paramount has pulled the plug on the Jonathan Liebesman-helmed reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, pushing its release back indefinitely... and, no, it's not for 3D post-conversion and/or more Channing Tatum.

The Hollywood Reporter reports that Paramount, already gun shy with the delays the studio is facing with G.I. JOE: RETALIATION and WORLD WAR Z, is willing to take its time with NINJA TURTLES in order to iron out what it feels are script problems. Rather than rush it out there in order to make its December 2013 release date and potentially damage the future of the franchise with a poor showing, Paramount is learning their lesson of putting forth a subpar product that may come back to bite them in the ass later. Better late than never.

In the meantime, Platinum Dunes will have to chill with the reboot, and, once the script is ready to go, NINJA TURTLES will move forward again... but when that will be is right now anyone's guess."

Your Thoughts?
Oh well. I'm in no hurry.

[BubblyShell22]

I'm not upset about this at all. This is a good thing as they're fleshing out script problems. I'd rather have them delay it and come out with a good movie than release it now and deliver a horrible movie. I can wait.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Maybe they're trying to save money by axing some outer space plot points form the movie.

[ThePickleweed]

c'mon guys, this has nothing to do with aliens, and everything to do with battleship.

they just watched universal take it in the shorts releasing some hackneyed, effects laden IP. the last thing they want to do it is go down the same route. tmnt in effect, just got jon carter'd so to speak.

it'll probably get reworked with a lower budget now, and THAT is the script problem.

my 2 cents.

[shezcrafti]

Great news. This gives me hope whatever script they're using may not be the final one.

This. I'm all for anything that causes this creative team to take a step back and re-think whatever dumb decisions they were inevitably going to make (and presumably already had) regarding this film.

[Bob]

Of course, all the garbage movie news blogs are using the word "indefinite" to describe this move; even though the three movie websites that are 100% official (Variety, Deadline Hollywood, Hollywood Reporter) all report that this is simply a delay, and not an indefinite hold. This is from Variety's article on the matter:

Paramount Pictures has shut down pre-production on its reboot of "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and moved its release date to May 16, 2014, the latest in a string of pics the studio has delayed in recent months.

Sources say "Turtles" was pushed because the filmmakers and studio felt they wouldn't be ready for the October shoot date. Paramount had no comment.

The shutdown is not indefinite and the plan is to work on the script over the next couple of weeks in order to beef up the material and bring the budget down slightly.

[pannoni1]

This will also ensure that the entire second season of the Nick Toon will air at this point before the movie's release, which is plenty of time for a new round of fans to join in for this project. All of a sudden, it seems like the sky is the limit once again, and I laughed when I saw that "what's next, will the toys be cancelled?" after seeing that some are already on eBay!

[Bauer536]

Whatever happens, it's safe to say we have the 1990 film. The update about the new movie being postponed has made me lost hope for a new film at all. It may take a few years before the turtles debut on the big screen. Let's just hope we get something some time.

[zkarlette]

Maybe all the complaints didn't help... Or they are just waiting to see how the new show does...either way terribly disappointed.

[Andrew NDB]

It's pretty amusing to me the number of people who seem to think this is somehow indicative of Paramount buckling to all the backlash about the aliens thing. Please.

It could be being pushed back for a hundred different reasons, but absolutely none of them include "Because the Technodrome fans are mad about the aliens."

[Bob]

As we all know Deadline Hollywood is a legit website that has a direct link with news in Hollywood. The comments section beneath each story can be used by anyone, and is very often used by people who work in some capacity in the industry. Anyway, in the comments section for this story someone wrote this:

The first half of the script is terrific, just adult enough for those of us who grew up with the original cartoon, but friendly enough for tweens. But when the Turtles and Casey get back to NYC and the final act begins, with a sort of a “Fringe” twist, it’s a total mess. I really hope they make a more grounded act 3, while keeping the tone of the first two acts.

There’s no reason to disbelieve this. What do they mean by “Fringe” twist? I’ve never watched it.

[Cure]

There’s no reason to disbelieve this.

NO REASON, you say?! Well, you've convinced me! I believe in random faceless internet person!

[Bob]

NO REASON, you say?! Well, you've convinced me! I believe in random faceless internet person!

Cynicism aside, Deadline isn't just your run-of-the-mill movie blog website. People who work in the industry are constantly making posts there. I've read many things that people have left in the comments section before that turned out to be legit. If you don't believe, though, that's fair enough. You don't have to be so abrasive.

[TerranigmaFreak]

but absolutely none of them include "Because the Technodrome fans are mad about the aliens."

Except we're not the only ones complaining. I'm not saying this is the reason for the delay, but to think only us here at The Technodrome is pissed is very wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHtoKkGaoE&feature=share

[The Stryker]

Oh boy. An unfunny youtube video. That proves that EVERYONE was complaining and was swearing off the movie.

The raping childhood thing is so goddamn overdone.

[Machias Banshee]

Someone should change the thread title. It's definitely still happening.

If anyone's got a good suggestion, we can update the title.

Personally, if they're slowing things down to improve the movie quality, it will be worth the wait... :)

[KROW]

If anyone's got a good suggestion, we can update the title.

Change "Shut Down" to "Postponed" or "Suspended" maybe?

[Redeemer]

It's not because of the aliens thing. I can almost guarantee that. Studios don't give a f*ck about nerds complaining about things.

More script work? That's nothing but good. Shows they care about the project and want it to be worth watching.

Channing Tatum should totally play Raphael though.

You jst contradicted yourself :lol:
I am getting to wonder if TMNT will be in production Hell.... ugh......we will just have to wait and see

[Mr.Turtle]

i wanna read that script...

[Andrew NDB]

i wanna read that script...

No you don't.

[Leonardo Mystic]

I like this news. I've never had a good feeling about the movie anyway since the whole alien thing exploded all over.

I'd rather wait and have a quality movie than for them to do a rush job and turn out a complete embarrassment.

[Slap-Happy]

I am getting to wonder if TMNT will be in production Hell.... ugh......we will just have to wait and see

It has been for the past five years. Who's to say it won't take five more?

[Andrew NDB]

I like this news. I've never had a good feeling about the movie anyway since the whole alien thing exploded all over.

I'd rather wait and have a quality movie than for them to do a rush job and turn out a complete embarrassment.

A rush job? Turtles Part 5 has officially been in pre-production since about 2009. And look how well Turtles Part 4's 13 year pre-production went... come 2007, we got a stillborn, toothless fart with a bunch of monsters and nonsense. I would put absolutely no faith in "more time" resulting in a better product... it just gives the financiers more time to figure out how to better align the toy placement and merchandising angles. This movie is in no way, shape, or form the labor of love by someone wanting to bring their vision of their definitive Turtles movie to light... it's just a studio who has acquired the rights to TMNT hiring guns and figuring out the best ways and best angles to maximize revenue on their investment. There will be focus groups, multiple "writing teams," and all sorts of nonsense that goes into productions like these.

Sorry if I sound cynical, but it's true.

[CyberCubed]

I am sure Nick wants the movie out as soon as possible, it would inevitable lead to a boom for the show and toys from casual fans or new little kids. Maybe some 20 year olds might check out the IDW comics too after seeing the movie.

[Andrew NDB]

I am sure Nick wants the movie out as soon as possible, it would inevitable lead to a boom for the show and toys from casual fans or new little kids.

It probably has more to do with wanting to wait and ride whatever kid wave results from the new cartoon. Sort of letting that "set" first without being premature, and then doing the movie... similar to how the first movie rode the Fred Wolf cartoon wave. Whether or not the movie tonally has anything to do with the new cartoon is irrelevant.

But I suspect the problems pushing back the movie are much simpler, and more down to brass taxes.

Maybe some 20 year olds might check out the IDW comics too after seeing the movie.

Or pick up some IDW Mirage trades. In either case it's a win, so whatever.

[Leonardo87]

So it got pushed back to 2014; it's not world ending news. It's funny though it will be my girlfriend and I's 4 years into our relationship if it comes out that date.

[CyberCubed]

TMNT movies always go through development hell, this shouldn't be a surprise.

[Andrew NDB]

It's funny though it will be my girlfriend and I's 4 years into our relationship if it comes out that date.

You're a little bit off, aren't you?

[bloodstainedwings]

Will this news effect the new cartoon show coming out??

[Roseangelo]

Will this news effect the new cartoon show coming out??

No, the two are not connected at all.

[bloodstainedwings]

No, the two are not connected at all.

Thanks good to know. I only started looking into the new show yesterday, and from what I know so far its seems like its going to be a good series.

I really started to like the animation style. At first I thought it was too childish, then shortly after it started to grow on me the more I learned about the show.

[Leo656]

A lot of what Andrew said is ringing true. I also almost promise that it has a lot to do with toys. They want to make sure that there's a large gap between the cartoon toys coming out, and the movie toys coming out, so everything sells as much as possible. Plus the project apparently just isn't going very well.

I wouldn't bet on that new release date being set in stone, either, I wouldn't be shocked to see it get pushed back even further. If that one doesn't, one of the other "big" movies opening will open later around 4th of July. TMNT will never even try that, because the franchise as it stands likely wouldn't draw big against whatever CGI explosion movies come out in any given summer.

I predict it opens sometime around late-May or early-June 2014, if it comes out in 2014 at all. I can see it getting pushed back a whole year. Critics will call it juvenile and write reviews where they mix up references to the old cartoons and the first movie. Fans will have mixed feelings. Andrew will hate it. I didn't need my "Eye Of Kreskin" for that one. :P

[Andrew NDB]

Andrew will hate it.

Hey, no surprises there but that's been a foregone conclusion for a while now. Believe it or not, even before Kevin Eastman posted on his Facebook: "Hey Turtle fans, what's your favorite Fred Wolf cartoon episode so we can try and work that into the new movie?"

[Roseangelo]

Hey, no surprises there but that's been a foregone conclusion for a while now. Believe it or not, even before Kevin Eastman posted on his Facebook: "Hey Turtle fans, what's your favorite Fred Wolf cartoon episode so we can try and work that into the new movie?"

That wasn't a literal question he was asking.

[Andrew NDB]

That wasn't a literal question he was asking.

I know. But not exactly reassuring either...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

My take is, Paramount wants this movie to make it's money (of course, no duh, right?)

But what I mean is, they have 2 movies that are going through total Nightmares of production, called GI Joe 2 and World War Z.

*GI Joe 2 - A film that was supposed to be released in June, and then only a few weeks from release they decide to push the film about 9 months back, add more 'Channing Tatum' because he died in the opening of the flick and he's 'now more popular' thanks to flicks like The Vow & 21 Jump Street, as well as 3D conversion...so not only do you have the mucho dinero put into the production, you ALSO have all that $ spent on advertising (like the Super Bowl ads, and such...weirdly enough I have friends who STILL sees ads that the flick's coming out in June) as well as reshooting AND the 3D conversion...definitely a film that is in serious trouble financially (and they're Begging for big Box Office overseas).

*World War Z -The budget is up to $170 million. Though the principal shoot is long done, Paramount just tapped “Prometheus” screenwriter Damon Lindelof to rewrite the last act of the movie, which will require reshoots.

About 7 Weeks of reshoots...

And I think Paramount will be dealing with these Runaway Projects...along for fear of them (or Ninja Turtles) becoming just like how Universal is hurting from the Mega-flop "Battleship", as well as Disney's Mega-flop "John Carter", even Warner Bros. "Dark Shadows" didn't do that well, and that was a $150 million production.

And plus, the Ninja Turtles movie was going to come out on Christmas...now, Christmas?? Who goes to the movies on Christmas Day? And a week or two before that film you had the Hunger Games Sequel AND a Hobbit movie...as much as I love Ninja Turtles, it would've been crushed by those 2 giants.

[Andrew NDB]

Paramount just tapped “Prometheus” screenwriter Damon Lindelof to rewrite the last act of the movie, which will require reshoots.

Huge mistake, by the way. *hack* *hack* *cough* *cough* Prometheus is virtually a case study in how everything about a movie can be picture perfect... except for the script.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Huge mistake, by the way. *hack* *hack* *cough* *cough* Prometheus is virtually a case study in how everything about a movie can be picture perfect... except for the script.

Heh...you mean like the part where the 2 guys get lost, one gets high in his suit, and the other calls a snake creature 'beautiful' and 'a cutie', and then looks like he wants to French kiss it after it hissed at him? :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

Heh...you mean like the part where the 2 guys get lost, one gets high in his suit, and the other calls a snake creature 'beautiful' and 'a cutie', and then looks like he wants to French kiss it after it hissed at him? :roll:

The same two biologists who ran away and wanted to go back to the ship at the first sign of actual alien dead bodies to examine like two scenes before that? Yeah. Like that part.

[Slap-Happy]

I have the sneaking suspiscion that this might go straight back into development hell.

[PAAATE]

Huge mistake, by the way. *hack* *hack* *cough* *cough* Prometheus is virtually a case study in how everything about a movie can be picture perfect... except for the script.

Now, don't be like that. He also co-wrote Cowboys & Aliens, which really is a.... Wait, he co-wrote ****ing Cowboys & Aliens? ****.

He should never write anything without Carlton Cuse. And yes, I liked Lost up until the very end :)

[ZariusTwo]

I know. But not exactly reassuring either...

I'd be sold, then again I'm not a biased, boring elitist MIRAGE loyalist who can only enjoy ever one version of the TMNT. Sucks to be you doesnt it?

"Oh boo hoo, TMNT 2007 was toothless, this movie will be a hack job, all because it's not having the Turtles be the kind of Turtles I want (throws toys out of the pram), I want them to be ruthless and vengeful, I want them stabbing and gutting people, I want dark and gritty, I want..."

...Just go away Andrew, it's never happening and you know it. The Turtles are seen as kids icons and their far more interesting and wholesome morality is centerfold to just about every version period. The MIRAGE and overrated IDW books are irrelevant in the long run, you will never get your way, so stop infesting every thread on this movie with your useless doom-report DRIVEL. Accept there's more than one version of TMNT, and either like it or...you know, DON'T BLOODY WATCH IT. Some of us on the other hand will keep discussing and looking forward to it because unlike you, we CAN accept other versions.

And TMNT wasnt a bad film at all.

[CyberCubed]

Will this news effect the new cartoon show coming out??

If anything it's a good thing the movie will come out when the show is in its second season. The show will already have an established fanbase of little kids who will beg their parents to take them to the new movie, much like what happened in 1990 with the first movie.

Anyway between the movie, comics and cartoon, the movie always sounded like the worst of the 3 so hopefully this turns out for the best.

[TurtleMaster4]

Whatever happens, it's safe to say we have the 1990 film. The update about the new movie being postponed has made me lost hope for a new film at all. It may take a few years before the turtles debut on the big screen. Let's just hope we get something some time.

Don't lose hope man, it's just postponed for improving and i'm sure we'll get something sooner of later!

A rush job? Turtles Part 5 has officially been in pre-production since about 2009. And look how well Turtles Part 4's 13 year pre-production went... come 2007, we got a stillborn, toothless fart with a bunch of monsters and nonsense. I would put absolutely no faith in "more time" resulting in a better product... it just gives the financiers more time to figure out how to better align the toy placement and merchandising angles. This movie is in no way, shape, or form the labor of love by someone wanting to bring their vision of their definitive Turtles movie to light... it's just a studio who has acquired the rights to TMNT hiring guns and figuring out the best ways and best angles to maximize revenue on their investment. There will be focus groups, multiple "writing teams," and all sorts of nonsense that goes into productions like these.

Sorry if I sound cynical, but it's true.

TMNT 2007 was a great movie, better than most of the animated movies out there. Yea sure it's not the best movie for the turtles. BUT It was good.

I have the sneaking suspiscion that this might go straight back into development hell.

Could possibly, The turtles are known for that. What would have been the next mutation movie, and wasn't there another they were gonna make?

I'd be sold, then again I'm not a biased, boring elitist MIRAGE loyalist who can only enjoy ever one version of the TMNT. Sucks to be you doesnt it?

"Oh boo hoo, TMNT 2007 was toothless, this movie will be a hack job, all because it's not having the Turtles be the kind of Turtles I want (throws toys out of the pram), I want them to be ruthless and vengeful, I want them stabbing and gutting people, I want dark and gritty, I want..."

...Just go away Andrew, it's never happening and you know it. The Turtles are seen as kids icons and their far more interesting and wholesome morality is centerfold to just about every version period. The MIRAGE and overrated IDW books are irrelevant in the long run, you will never get your way, so stop infesting every thread on this movie with your useless doom-report DRIVEL. Accept there's more than one version of TMNT, and either like it or...you know, DON'T BLOODY WATCH IT. Some of us on the other hand will keep discussing and looking forward to it because unlike you, we CAN accept other versions.

And TMNT wasnt a bad film at all.

AMEN! Andrew is like the grouch, he's just grouchy. It's better to ignore characters like that. Then on the other hand, it's better to ignore all the characters on Sesimy (or how ever you spell it ) street.

If anything it's a good thing the movie will come out when the show is in its second season. The show will already have an established fanbase of little kids who will beg their parents to take them to the new movie, much like what happened in 1990 with the first movie.

Anyway between the movie, comics and cartoon, the movie always sounded like the worst of the 3 so hopefully this turns out for the best.

I think the movie will be the worst (I didn't say it would be bad though) The IDW comics will be the best. And the shows will be in the middle.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I'd be sold, then again I'm not a biased, boring elitist MIRAGE loyalist who can only enjoy ever one version of the TMNT. Sucks to be you doesnt it?

"Oh boo hoo, TMNT 2007 was toothless, this movie will be a hack job, all because it's not having the Turtles be the kind of Turtles I want (throws toys out of the pram), I want them to be ruthless and vengeful, I want them stabbing and gutting people, I want dark and gritty, I want..."

...Just go away Andrew, it's never happening and you know it. The Turtles are seen as kids icons and their far more interesting and wholesome morality is centerfold to just about every version period. The MIRAGE and overrated IDW books are irrelevant in the long run, you will never get your way, so stop infesting every thread on this movie with your useless doom-report DRIVEL. Accept there's more than one version of TMNT, and either like it or...you know, DON'T BLOODY WATCH IT. Some of us on the other hand will keep discussing and looking forward to it because unlike you, we CAN accept other versions.

And TMNT wasnt a bad film at all.

I hear what your saying, but he like what he likes. Im open minded to watch what they do with this movie, (if it happens now). As long as they do the franchise justice I will be happy.

[Bauer536]

Don't lose hope man, it's just postponed for improving and i'm sure we'll get something sooner of later!

I'm not going to lose that much hope. It's just I have a feeling that this movie will take long to make. Therefore, we can't expect it to be closer.

TMNT 2007 was a great movie, better than most of the animated movies out there. Yea sure it's not the best movie for the turtles. BUT It was good.

Right on, dude!:tcool:

AMEN! Andrew is like the grouch, he's just grouchy. It's better to ignore characters like that. Then on the other hand, it's better to ignore all the characters on Sesimy (or how ever you spell it ) street.

"Sesame" Street. That's how you spell it. Plus, Sesame Street is still not bad for kids, but the Muppets have stronger characters.

I think the movie will be the worst (I didn't say it would be bad though) The IDW comics will be the best. And the shows will be in the middle.

I think it's a matter of opinion. To me, the comics fall in the middle. I don't like them that much and find the change of origin unnecessary. Plus, I find Don unlikeable in that one so far. The show, I believe, will be at the top. With all the hype, advertising, merchandising, and previews it's getting, it seems Nickelodeon's CGI show is the one to be the best. Come on. A Leonardo that's into this Star Trek show is better than the boring one we have in IDW at this moment. Yet, I must agree. The movie may be the worst. We'll just have to see what happens.:tsmile:

[The Stryker]

TMNT 2007 was a great movie, better than most of the animated movies out there. Yea sure it's not the best movie for the turtles. BUT It was good.

I want to know what animated movies it's better than. 'Most' is a pretty broad statement and I bet it's completely wrong.


it's better to ignore all the characters on Sesimy (or how ever you spell it ) street.


Maybe if you watched more Sesame Street you'd know how to spell.

[TurtleMaster4]

I want to know what animated movies it's better than. 'Most' is a pretty broad statement and I bet it's completely wrong.



Maybe if you watched more Sesame Street you'd know how to spell.

I'm talking about stuff like walle, how to train you dragon, and stuff like that. I would say kung fu panda too, but that one might be a bit better than tmnt

realy i guess it depends on what you like



And as for Sesame Street....... it would be tourtue, but... that's not a bad idea

[The Stryker]

I'm talking about stuff like walle, how to train you dragon, and stuff like that. I would say kung fu panda too, but that one might be a bit better than tmnt

Wow. If you really think How to train your dragon isn't as good as TMNT. You must have some sort of crippling brain disorder or you haven't seen the movie and you're just being an idiot. Kung Fu Panda too. Those movies are GALAXIES better than TMNT. TMNT is in a league with Doogal and Hoodwinked 2.

Sesame Street is awesome. Follow that bird is also better than TMNT.

[Slap-Happy]

Wall-E and How to Train Your Dragon are leaps and bounds better than TMNT.

[TurtleMaster4]

Wow. If you really think How to train your dragon isn't as good as TMNT. You must have some sort of crippling brain disorder or you haven't seen the movie and you're just being an idiot. Kung Fu Panda too. Those movies are GALAXIES better than TMNT. TMNT is in a league with Doogal and Hoodwinked 2.

Sesame Street is awesome. Follow that bird is also better than TMNT.

i didn't say kung fu panda was worse than TMNT. And besides, those are my opinion. To me TMNT isbetter than most animated films is all because of my love for the turtles, nothing else. You gotta look at it from a certain point of veiw, to know where i'm getting at.

[Archon_Turtle]

TMNT gross: $54,149,098

Wall-E gross: $223,808,164

How to Train Your Dragon gross: $217,581,231

Kung Fu Panda gross: $215,434,591

...just sayin'

[Jester]

Stephan! How dare you use silly things like FACTS!

Are we as Turtle fans so blind as to just say thing like the Turtles are as big as Batman, Spider-man, and other mainline comic characters and to say that TMNT is on par with vastly superior CG films like Wall-e and How to Train Your Dragon without any real reasoning or logic to back it up? Are we really THAT diluted? (Don't answer that Stryker...)

[thelouisguy]

What do they mean by “Fringe” twist? I’ve never watched it.
I like Fringe. They use "fringe" science to investigate a series of unexplained, often ghastly occurrences, which are related to mysteries surrounding a parallel universe. Although I do not think it will be that literal, some of the Triceraton stuff could be considered a little bit "out there".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)

Stephan! How dare you use silly things like FACTS!

Are we as Turtle fans so blind as to just say thing like the Turtles are as big as Batman, Spider-man, and other mainline comic characters and to say that TMNT is on par with vastly superior CG films like Wall-e and How to Train Your Dragon without any real reasoning or logic to back it up? Are we really THAT diluted? (Don't answer that Stryker...)
Even I can admit that TMNT (2007) was not that great.

[AcidBurn30]

all i know Kevin Eastman loaded a picture showing his new look for the new movie..

[Powder]

Prove it. Post it.

[TurtleMaster4]

Wall-E and How to Train Your Dragon are leaps and bounds better than TMNT. I actually liked walle, not as much as TMNT. On the other hand How to train your dragon wasn't my favorite, but it was still good.

TMNT gross: $54,149,098

Wall-E gross: $223,808,164

How to Train Your Dragon gross: $217,581,231

Kung Fu Panda gross: $215,434,591

...just sayin'
The facts do hurt




Even I can admit that TMNT (2007) was not that great.

Yea, but id didn't make it a bad movie

all i know Kevin Eastman loaded a picture showing his new look for the new movie..

INCORRECT!

Prove it. Post it.

This is what I think he's talking about.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u1J7aZBL358/T3vfvAkidwI/AAAAAAAAC4Q/7Xe2g0Pu6pU/s1600/eastman-2012.jpg

Acid, This is just a sketch he did, i doubt this is for the movie. I think he was just having some fun.

As for the TMNT movie, I know it wasn't the greatest, but I still wish there was another. The reason is, they hinted at shredder, which would be better than the monster mumbo jumbo (Which I still thought was good) My opinion of course.

[Drose18]

I like Fringe. They use "fringe" science to investigate a series of unexplained, often ghastly occurrences, which are related to mysteries surrounding a parallel universe. Although I do not think it will be that literal, some of the Triceraton stuff could be considered a little bit "out there".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)


Even I can admit that TMNT (2007) was not that great.

I think it sucked ass but that was Warner's fault not Munroe's.

[Slap-Happy]

How was it Warner's fault?

[Andrew NDB]

How was it Warner's fault?

Because they famously cut off Munroe's balls and tied his hands -- I'm not sure in which order. I don't blame Munroe one bit for the way things turned out, he's a cool guy. If left to his own devices he would have given us "City at War"... not Pokemon Green: The Movie/Playstation 1 FMV, which is the way it turned out with all the suits.

[Cipher]

I'd be sold, then again I'm not a biased, boring elitist MIRAGE loyalist who can only enjoy ever one version of the TMNT. Sucks to be you doesnt it?

"Oh boo hoo, TMNT 2007 was toothless, this movie will be a hack job, all because it's not having the Turtles be the kind of Turtles I want (throws toys out of the pram), I want them to be ruthless and vengeful, I want them stabbing and gutting people, I want dark and gritty, I want..."

...Just go away Andrew, it's never happening and you know it. The Turtles are seen as kids icons and their far more interesting and wholesome morality is centerfold to just about every version period. The MIRAGE and overrated IDW books are irrelevant in the long run, you will never get your way, so stop infesting every thread on this movie with your useless doom-report DRIVEL. Accept there's more than one version of TMNT, and either like it or...you know, DON'T BLOODY WATCH IT. Some of us on the other hand will keep discussing and looking forward to it because unlike you, we CAN accept other versions.

And TMNT wasnt a bad film at all.H-holy hell. Where did that come from? He already said it was pretty much a forgone conclusion he wouldn't enjoy the new TMNT movie, likely for all the reasons you mentioned (TMNT always falling into its comfortable kid-tween niche in larger media), and was pretty much at peace with it.

Then he gave a fairly realistic set of circumstances for this movie's production that will likely leave it in the territory of popcorn-flick mediocrity we've seen from just about every toy/comic franchise not named Batman in the past ten years, which I think is also fair.

While I vastly prefer Mirage to other incarnations, I have a soft spot for nearly all Turtles fiction and am completely comfortable with other takes. But I still have little faith this movie will exceed any expectations, no matter the time frame.

And it's been reasonably backed up over the last page, but TMNT wasn't, by any means, a good movie. I think it hits some rather decent notes as a fan even if it wasn't quite what I wanted, but it certainly wasn't anything near a success by critical or commercial standards.

[Jephael]

Seiously, Zarius, take a chill pill! I used to get upset with Andrew for the way he talks about the more kid-friendly variations of the TMNT, but in the long run I gotta respect his feelings. Alteast he still likes the TMNT in general. Plus sometimes he can be right about certain aspects of those kid-friendly iterations.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

Ditto and ditto

[CyberCubed]

I don't think we need a "Deep" TMNT movie, just an entertaining one that can stand alongside what DC and Marvel are doing.

[Jester]

I don't think we need a "Deep" TMNT movie, just an entertaining one that can stand alongside what DC and Marvel are doing.
Then it needs to be "deep" because that's part of what makes them successful.

[The Stryker]

Uhhh. No? There's nothing deep about any of the Avengers movies and they do just fine. Its a Superhero comic movie talking about 'deep' is a joke to me. As long as they're entertaining and put together well they're good movies.

When you get all of the talk of society and symbols to the community in the Batman it just reeks of pretentiousness.

Also. Ninja Turtles. There was never a deeper meaning to that.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Uhhh. No? There's nothing deep about any of the Avengers movies and they do just fine. Its a Superhero comic movie talking about 'deep' is a joke to me. As long as they're entertaining and put together well they're good movies.

When you get all of the talk of society and symbols to the community in the Batman it just reeks of pretentiousness.

Also. Ninja Turtles. There was never a deeper meaning to that.



Well actually, there CAN be a deeper meaning to Ninja Turtles, it's just they won't do it..

How about the fact that you have 4 brothers who are true outsiders...they will never know the joy of, say, falling in love...or having a kid...or having the 'white picket fence life'....having a family of any kind, or a future for their species...anytime they would try to show their face, they'd be called a freak, or a monster, and get someone to capture and dissect them.

Even heroes like Iron Man, Batman, Spider-Man, and X-Men...they still are, or at least LOOK, human (again, for the most part, I know there's a few X-Men who don't)...so they can still go out, get girlfriends, go to the mall, etc. without worrying about being caught, killed, and more.

Even if one of them for some reason did fall in love with a human, it'd never work out and it'd be a tragic story from the start. And of top of that, even their ostracized life is Further problematic with the various new enemies they gain, or when they get hurt they can't just 'go to the hospital', or even the simple fact that they got to live in disease-infested sewers for most of their lives...

So they can be deep...

[gobo]

Way too much discussion of old movies here. WTF?

[Andrew NDB]

There is a "Phantom of the Opera" quality to the Turtles, stemming from the outsiders/outcasts/freaks thing. You know, always living beneath a city and population that can and will never embrace them and, at poignant moments, them (or at least the audience) kind of being made soberingly aware of that. That should never be like the driving focus of any Turtle movie or iteration (at its core, we want to see four ninja brothers kicking ass and, sure, occasionally joking around), but it absolutely shouldn't be shied away from either.

[Drose18]

IKR when are we gonna get more news?!?!?

[The Stryker]

Well actually, there CAN be a deeper meaning to Ninja Turtles, it's just they won't do it..

How about the fact that you have 4 brothers who are true outsiders...they will never know the joy of, say, falling in love...or having a kid...or having the 'white picket fence life'....having a family of any kind, or a future for their species...anytime they would try to show their face, they'd be called a freak, or a monster, and get someone to capture and dissect them.

Even heroes like Iron Man, Batman, Spider-Man, and X-Men...they still are, or at least LOOK, human (again, for the most part, I know there's a few X-Men who don't)...so they can still go out, get girlfriends, go to the mall, etc. without worrying about being caught, killed, and more.

Even if one of them for some reason did fall in love with a human, it'd never work out and it'd be a tragic story from the start. And of top of that, even their ostracized life is Further problematic with the various new enemies they gain, or when they get hurt they can't just 'go to the hospital', or even the simple fact that they got to live in disease-infested sewers for most of their lives...

So they can be deep...

You can make a goddamn cupcake deep if you stretch as much as you did and put in elements that are only brought up by overthinking fans.

Turtles longing to fall in love and not being able to. Who the hell carrrreeesss. Fanfiction writers.

[Bob]

I don't mind a bit of depth here and there, but too much will run the risk of turning TMNT into something it was never intended to be in the first place.

[Koi]

Paramount has pulled the plug on the Jonathan Liebesman-helmed reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, pushing its release back indefinitely... and, no, it's not for 3D post-conversion and/or more Channing Tatum.


How is Channing Tatum connected with TMNT? Did I miss something?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't mind a bit of depth here and there, but too much will run the risk of turning TMNT into something it was never intended to be in the first place.

Oh, TMNT in the mass media crossed that bridge a long, long time ago.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

How is Channing Tatum connected with TMNT? Did I miss something?

That was a knock against Paramount also postponing GI Joe 2, for 3D conversion and for adding more of Channing Tatum (they killed him off at the beginning, but now they're reshooting some stuff so he's in it more).

[Xav]

How is Channing Tatum connected with TMNT? Did I miss something? He's not, it's referring to GI Joe 2, were a rumor is they pushed back the film to add more Channing Tatum scenes.

[Donnie]

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

Turtles can have the same deepness. Period. It's the challenged fans that spew when they hear that new TMNT stuff will be OT based because "that's what made the Turtles popular"...please. Give it up.

[The Stryker]

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

Turtles can have the same deepness. Period.

It wasn't deep. There was no deep study on the inner workings of character's minds or any intelligent commentary on any kind of real issue. By your standards EVERY movie is deep.

Avengers didn't need to be anything more than it was. It was a very entertaining super hero movie. It's ok to accept things for what they are.

I love Professional Wrestling. I know it's f*cking dumb and always will be. No matter how 'good' someone does it. I'm not going around acting like it's some brilliantly written piece of literature with rich characters. I don't need to validate my fandom by pretending its something it isn't.

C'mon son. It's Ninja Turtles. I love it but let's not oversell it.

[Cure]

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

Hahahaha, oh man. Your definition of deep is a bit skewed.

[Freeman]

I love Professional Wrestling. I know it's f*cking dumb and always will be. No matter how 'good' someone does it. I'm not going around acting like it's some brilliantly written piece of literature with rich characters. I don't need to validate my fandom by pretending its something it isn't.

C'mon son. It's Ninja Turtles. I love it but let's not oversell it.

I take my hat off. I really agree that everything must be judged as what it really is and not according to our personal dream ideals. I also enjoy WWE sometimes and I go to yoyo competitions, but I don't see myself as the next Tony Hawk of yoyoing. And Tony Hawk only has a skateboard, nothing more.

I'd like to see a Ninja Turtles movie "a la" Batman Dark Knight, not negating the comic fictional root of them but puting them on a less comedian and more contempory frame. But it would still be and action film adaptation of some cool comic characters.

[Jester]

Maybe by "deep" I tend to think nuanced. The first movie by Barron has lots of little details and nuances that make it more than the some of it's parts...if you take the time to look at it.

And as for the Turtles questioning their own mortality and how they can never have a normal life, that's not fan fiction, that's this. (http://www.miragelicensing.com/comics/mirage/volume01/28/28.html)

[Donatello19]

I bet they put it on hold because of that short clip that michael bay released about the turtles being aliens. everyone freaked out because of that one word. "Alien". I think what he meant though is that the Ooze that the turtles got mutated from is from an alien race.

[Mr.Turtle]

they always postpone...

[CrazySquirrel]

Well I guess if they are bothering to try to improve it by pushing the movie back I can deal with it. Hopefully it ends up being better for it. I was worried it was cancelled.

[Archon_Turtle]

It wasn't deep. There was no deep study on the inner workings of character's minds or any intelligent commentary on any kind of real issue. By your standards EVERY movie is deep.

Avengers didn't need to be anything more than it was. It was a very entertaining super hero movie. It's ok to accept things for what they are.


But...shawarma!

[Jephael]

At this point I could care less when the new movie comes out. As long as there's any iteration of the TMNT, be it a comic book, cartoon series or even a Broadway play I'll be happy!

[thelouisguy]

At this point I could care less when the new movie comes out. As long as there's any iteration of the TMNT, be it a comic book, cartoon series or even a Broadway play I'll be happy!
Broadway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Turn_Off_the_Dark) would be interested...

[Cipher]

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

...

I ...

Hmm ...

We have had deep Turtles fiction before. But its numbers include "City at War" and a handful of Mirage's more reflective or indie-styled pieces, and that's about it. No one should hold out for anything like that. The most we can reasonably hope for is a competently done action movie, which the 2007 film wasn't, and which many, many franchise-based initiatives within the last few years have failed to be as well. Not sure if holding the script back bodes well or not for moving in a positive direction.

[Andrew NDB]

An open letter to Paramount:

Hey. Idiots. Here's a thought. Get your ****ing scripts right before you open a production office.

It's like they were going, "It's a franchise! It's a franchise! We've got to get it filming! Every second we waste, is a second of potential residual money we lose!"

[marcelangelo]

I like that letter;)...
why don't they just give the money and creative power over to steve barron and let the man handle this ship;)...

[Donnie]

...

I ...

Hmm ...

We have had deep Turtles fiction before. But its numbers include "City at War" and a handful of Mirage's more reflective or indie-styled pieces, and that's about it. No one should hold out for anything like that. The most we can reasonably hope for is a competently done action movie, which the 2007 film wasn't, and which many, many franchise-based initiatives within the last few years have failed to be as well. Not sure if holding the script back bodes well or not for moving in a positive direction.

Really? You give me the "hmm" and then back it up with City At War as comparable to Avengers? Laughing out loud!

I guess "deep" is a subjective thing, especially when you have real-life film critics and reviewers on the 'Drome. Darn, I should have consulted my dictionary on the meaning of deep. Let's see..."deep" as we are using it is described as:

deep, 2. (of an emotion or feeling) intensely felt.

...Yeah. Pretty subjective to me.

[Cure]

He didn't...compare those two things?

Man, just drop it. You're not convincing anyone.

[Donnie]

He didn't...compare those two things?

Man, just drop it. You're not convincing anyone.

He was saying City At War was pretty deep, but Avengers wasn't, at least that's what I got out of it.

Cure and convince this. Deep is subjective. Period.

[The Stryker]

It's subjective! It's subjective! The last ditch effort of an idiot that knows he's wrong.

If you think Avengers is deep because of the reasons stated, thats ok but you're wrong.

That stuff happens in pretty much every action movie in the history of the universe. But hey. Whatever. Some adults wish that they can wear halloween costumes made for children too.

[Donnie]

It's subjective! It's subjective! The last ditch effort of an idiot that knows he's wrong.

If you think Avengers is deep because of the reasons stated, thats ok but you're wrong.

That stuff happens in pretty much every action movie in the history of the universe. But hey. Whatever. Some adults wish that they can wear halloween costumes made for children too.

It's not wrong you tool, it's subjective. Pretty simple. There's no debate. To think something is deep varies from person to person --- maybe your teachers didn't get that info on opinions across to you or Cure or any of you other "rat pack" members in high school cause you were too busy sticking your d*ck into a Playstation.

Stalker much, but yes, I do wish I could wear those new Nick costumes. They look awesome, why wouldn't you wanna wear them? Cause you're a big adult who wishes he was a paid film critic? Pfftt stryke this.

[ThePickleweed]

It's not wrong you tool, it's subjective. Pretty simple. There's no debate. To think something is deep varies from person to person --- maybe your teachers didn't get that info on opinions across to you or Cure or any of you other "rat pack" members in high school cause you were too busy sticking your d*ck into a Playstation.

Stalker much, but yes, I do wish I could wear those new Nick costumes. They look awesome, why wouldn't you wanna wear them? Cause you're a big adult who wishes he was a paid film critic? Pfftt stryke this.

sorry man, its not subjective. youve basically said that any character that overcomes conflict is deep. so, ummm, every movie is deep. sorry, thats not subjective, it's wrong.

stryker is right. avengers was deep in the way that independence day was deep.

[Master Splinter]

sorry man, its not subjective. youve basically said that any character that overcomes conflict is deep. so, ummm, every movie is deep. sorry, thats not subjective, it's wrong.

stryker is right. avengers was deep in the way that independence day was deep.

The characters themselves within the story may experience emotional depth, even in the Avengers, however I do not see the viewer (you and I) experiencing any sort of deep emotion, other than excitement for how fun the movie is. The character development in The Avengers was very hollow, they don't want to be a team, then they beat each other up for 5 minutes and now they are all best buddies. With what little development there is, you can see it but being able to attach yourself and become emotionally involved with what the characters are feeling is a stretch.

The Pianist in my opinion is a good example of how a movie can have a deep emotional impact on the viewer, but what do I know I'm just a computer nerd.

8)

-ms

[Cure]

Cure and convince this.

Hahaha, you're stupid. You don't seem to realize I can't actually see if you're gesturing at anything.

But continue on, it's OK if you wanna believe everything ever is deep.

Oh man, the episode of Tom & Jerry where like, Jerry beat Tom is deep, maaaaaaan.

[The Stryker]

It's not wrong you tool, it's subjective. Pretty simple. There's no debate. To think something is deep varies from person to person --- maybe your teachers didn't get that info on opinions across to you or Cure or any of you other "rat pack" members in high school cause you were too busy sticking your d*ck into a Playstation.

Stalker much, but yes, I do wish I could wear those new Nick costumes. They look awesome, why wouldn't you wanna wear them? Cause you're a big adult who wishes he was a paid film critic? Pfftt stryke this.

Stryke this? What the f*ck does that mean? That an attempt at a joke?

Also get your damn information right before you use your flippers to slap out a response. We stick it in our XBOXES. Good lawd. Give it up dawg. You're just saying the same thing over and over without actually elaborating at all.

Michelangelo....this? That right? I can barely see the keyboard through my size 2 donatello mask.

[Candy Kappa]

Rosebuds

It was his Vibranium shield all along!

[The Stryker]

Hawkeye and Hulk were ghosts the whole time!

[ZariusTwo]

"Noone puts Widow in the corner..."[/Patrick Swayze]

[Candy Kappa]

We where the real Chitauri!

[Donnie]

Stryke this? What the f*ck does that mean? That an attempt at a joke?

Also get your damn information right before you use your flippers to slap out a response. We stick it in our XBOXES. Good lawd. Give it up dawg. You're just saying the same thing over and over without actually elaborating at all.

Michelangelo....this? That right? I can barely see the keyboard through my size 2 donatello mask.

Stryke this...cure this...that's me grabbing my nuts at the lot of you weenies. I thought you'd catch on but it slipped me that you guys probably don't get out much to see what society jokes about these days. But hey, I guess it was a silly joke, seein' as how only game consoles turn you guys on. Whoopsies!

I thought Avengers had deep character moments, but whatever. It's clear that I'm surrounded by ravenous movie critics who state opinion as fact. And I'm feeling just fine with my *ahem* adult sized orange mask over here.

[PAAATE]

Stryke this...cure this...that's me grabbing my nuts at the lot of you weenies. I thought you'd catch on but it slipped me that you guys probably don't get out much to see what society jokes about these days.

So that's what society jokes about? Huh! Well, then... Society this!

Hahaha, oh, the good times we're having...

[The Stryker]

Stryke this...cure this...that's me grabbing my nuts at the lot of you weenies. I thought you'd catch on but it slipped me that you guys probably don't get out much to see what society jokes about these days. But hey, I guess it was a silly joke, seein' as how only game consoles turn you guys on. Whoopsies!

I thought Avengers had deep character moments, but whatever. It's clear that I'm surrounded by ravenous movie critics who state opinion as fact. And I'm feeling just fine with my *ahem* adult sized orange mask over here.


Right. Because playing video games makes you a giant nerd and a loser but wanting to dress up as a ninja turtle with a children's halloween set when you're a grown person.... Well that's just the coolest thing anyone can ever do!

We got what you were doing. Cure said it. It still makes no sense over a messageboard.

Another example of someone that know's he has nothing. STILL not adding anything to your argument. Just getting mad and trying to call people movie critics as some sort of insult. Thanks? We have views on movies.....what monsters. Keep on going son. Tell us more on how a movie like Commando is deep and thought provoking.

Weenies. Really now.

[ZariusTwo]

Stryke this...cure this...that's me grabbing my nuts at the lot of you weenies..

Swell "gesture" on a forum kids might be reading pal.:roll:

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I hope they carry on with a movie. Do the have to have an origins at the start of the movie. I think They should just dive right in. We all know they are teenage mutant ninja frogs that mutated from ooze.

[RaphTMNT]

**** Outta Here

[Donnie]

**** Outta Here

LMAO yes. Yes.

Swell "gesture" on a forum kids might be reading pal.:roll:

I am sorry kids! :)

Right. Because playing video games makes you a giant nerd and a loser but wanting to dress up as a ninja turtle with a children's halloween set when you're a grown person.... Well that's just the coolest thing anyone can ever do!

To each his own man, but yea, I'd say that's cooler than being glued to a computer, XBOX or TV with a pants tent.

Another example of someone that know's he has nothing. STILL not adding anything to your argument. Just getting mad and trying to call people movie critics as some sort of insult. Thanks? We have views on movies.....what monsters. Keep on going son. Tell us more on how a movie like Commando is deep and thought provoking.

Weenies. Really now.

Haha I rather liked weenies. Is it even worth going into an example with you, though? I really don't think what I say is going to shift your opinion, just like what you say probably won't shift mine. But for argument's sake, Loki in particular rather than the heroes (save perhaps Iron Man) had some deep moments. He's struggling with this whole self-righteousness conflict while being basically mind-f*cked by Thanos and his advisor. You can see all the moments in Hiddleston's face (he's such a sick actor) when he knows Thor is genuine and trying to get through to him, you can see Loki battling through his past feelings and betraying Thor again and again. To me, that's a deep (intense) inner conflict that everybody can relate to in some sort of way.

Not that what I just said is going to change your opinion. But, since you keep calling me out on (deliberately) not giving you an example there it is.

So that's what society jokes about? Huh! Well, then... Society this!

Hahaha, oh, the good times we're having...

Yeah now you're catching on! :P

[ZariusTwo]

I hope they carry on with a movie. Do the have to have an origins at the start of the movie. I think They should just dive right in. We all know they are teenage mutant ninja frogs that mutated from ooze.

Cool, does that mean we get a Shredder who "really is a nice person?"

[Donnie]

I'd agree that another origin story for us long time fans seems redundant, but IDW pulled it off pretty well and if the origin has a new twist in the film I wouldn't mind it - as long as it didn't detract too much from the main story-line.

[ZariusTwo]

I'd agree that another origin story for us long time fans seems redundant, but IDW pulled it off pretty well

No they didnt.

[Slap-Happy]

No they didnt.

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[Cipher]

I probably shouldn't be touching this thread again with a ten-foot pole, and it definitely has nothing to do with the movie being postponed anymore, but ...

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre_fiction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_fiction

That's pretty basic, but there are two distinct categories of fiction critics and writers use to distinguish the goals and styles of certain pieces. And it's not all that subjective. Essentially, you have "genre" fiction (your basic action movie/story, romance, sci-fi, fantasy, etc.) which prioritizes entertainment over art and theme. And then you have "literary" fiction, which prioritizes art and theme over entertainment.

Usually, it's pretty black and white. Genre fiction definitely has a message most of the time, since it's a basic component of story-telling. But if the art isn't the main draw, if there's a sequence in it that serves no other purpose than spectacle and entertainment (watching things go boom, etc.), it's genre.

There are plenty of stories that blur the line however, using elements normally associated with genre fiction to tell a literary story. (And conversely, there are shows, movies and books that purport to have some higher goal but really only ever display vapid entertainment.) This is kind of subjective, and often times how successful it is matters more than the intent to do so in the first place. But I think a handful of TMNT comics do cross over successfully.

But do some more Googling on "literary vs. genre fiction" if you want to brush up on how real writers and critics have for a long while categorized the depth and artistry of fiction.

Now ... why the **** are we still talking about this?

[Donnie]

THE DUDE

THE DUDE. Yes.


Now ... why the **** are we still talking about this?

It has spiraled into a sh*t-storm indeed, but I think your level headed post at least for me is welcomed, actually informative, and refreshing. Thanks!

[Freeman]

As the "Avengers is deep" spin-off of this topic is being allowed, I think I'm going to give my point too.

Avengers is many things: it's entertaining, it's got some nice jokes, it's full of action... But the plot is expected, characters fight each other for very stupid reasons and for no reasons at all they stick together all of a sudden. And they win.

I'll put a simil for you Michelangelo. Karate Kid (the old one) is one of my favourite films ever. It's got karate, a weak kid trying to fit in a new school in a different city far away from his friends, a struggle with parents decissions affecting the main characters life, the overpressure an unbalanced sport trainer figure can have on influenceable teens, a silent karate master teaching how not fighting is sometimes the most wise decision... But still is not "deep" because the bulling over the main character is naive, the love story is predictible, the main character has a bad script and a terrible acting, ...

There are things in the movie I like and enjoy, but I can see it's weaknesses and I can fairly judge that it's not deep.

Is good to admit when we have gone too far. And you have. Simply admit you over valued the film even you still like it, as simple as that.

Dogville is deep.

[The Stryker]

To each his own man, but yea, I'd say that's cooler than being glued to a computer, XBOX or TV with a pants tent.

Because these 'pants tents' are totally acceptable when you're pretending to be leonardo when you have a few hours alone at home. OK THEN. Keep thinking that bro. I can't believe there are people out there that are into that whole 'video games are for big losers' thing.

It's doubly dumbfounding when you're sitting there talking about dressing up like a ninja turtle.

Haha I rather liked weenies. Is it even worth going into an example with you, though? I really don't think what I say is going to shift your opinion, just like what you say probably won't shift mine. But for argument's sake, Loki in particular rather than the heroes (save perhaps Iron Man) had some deep moments. He's struggling with this whole self-righteousness conflict while being basically mind-f*cked by Thanos and his advisor. You can see all the moments in Hiddleston's face (he's such a sick actor) when he knows Thor is genuine and trying to get through to him, you can see Loki battling through his past feelings and betraying Thor again and again. To me, that's a deep (intense) inner conflict that everybody can relate to in some sort of way.

Not that what I just said is going to change your opinion. But, since you keep calling me out on (deliberately) not giving you an example there it is.

That's just one character though and all of his development was done in Thor. Every character in that movie had development ELSEWHERE. Avengers was just the big event where they all came together.

I would say that Loki actually regressed as a character in Avengers. Becoming the comic "TEE-HEE I'M GONNA GET THAT THOR." throughout most of the movie.

Again, never said that you couldn't have an opinion. Just saying that the reasons you stated for the movie being 'deep' didn't make a lot of sense and practically put every single action movie ever released on the same platform.

[Mr.Turtle]

avenger is quite cool, i don't buy thor, its stupid!

[Whitewolf89]

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.
I would tend to agree. Maybe with this new delay, it will give them time to work on the script more, and make it WAY better.

(And maybe, IF we're real lucky, they find someone else besides Bay to producer it (or whatever he's doing that connects him with it). Maybe.)

[Mr.Turtle]

no matter the scripts good or bad, they always delay...

[Donnie]

Because these 'pants tents' are totally acceptable when you're pretending to be leonardo when you have a few hours alone at home. OK THEN. Keep thinking that bro. I can't believe there are people out there that are into that whole 'video games are for big losers' thing.

It's doubly dumbfounding when you're sitting there talking about dressing up like a ninja turtle.


Yea, bra! Honestly don't care about what you think bout dressing up as a Turtle (which I do for Cons) - I like having fun in life, don't know about you. I don't think video games are for losers, but the amount of time I've seen you troll here + b*tch about video games and how the Batman games wouldn't work on a Turtles platform because blah blah blah I'd assume you'd spend most of your time attached to a TV, while I only spend a fraction of time at a Con dressed as a Turtle. :D

Whateeeeev, why are we attacking eachother's personal priorities again? I almost forgot at this point. It's silly. Let's just agree to disagree.


That's just one character though and all of his development was done in Thor. Every character in that movie had development ELSEWHERE. Avengers was just the big event where they all came together.

I would say that Loki actually regressed as a character in Avengers. Becoming the comic "TEE-HEE I'M GONNA GET THAT THOR." throughout most of the movie.

I agree that Loki got most of his development in Thor, but to me, he's still a "deep" character in Avengers, save when he gets raped by Hulk.

Again, never said that you couldn't have an opinion. Just saying that the reasons you stated for the movie being 'deep' didn't make a lot of sense and practically put every single action movie ever released on the same platform.

Again, can we just agree to disagree? This argument has become a brutal beating of a dead horse.

[Bob]

I thought this would happen. As we all know Paramount have set a new release date of 16th May 2014, which was the same day as Marvel’s untitled film. I don’t know if anyone has been reading up on any movie news lately, but it’s been pretty much confirmed that that untitled film is Guardians of the Galaxy. There was no way in the world two studios would release two such potential big films on the same day, so one of them was always going to move.

And it’s not Ninja Turtles. That’s staying put……for now.

The Marvel film has moved to August. Guess Marvel and Disney blinked first.

[chozo_ninpo]

The move comes as analysts have been knocking Viacom's Nickelodeon division for lower ratings.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paramount-shuts-down-ninja-turtles-338301

So basically, they're mentioning the poor ratings of the nick tmnt show as a factor in this.

Gone forever now?

[shezcrafti]

So basically, they're mentioning the poor ratings of the nick tmnt show as a factor in this.

Gone forever now?

That's not what the article says; unless I'm misunderstanding something.

Is this the blurb you're referring to?

Analysts have been knocking Viacom's Nickelodeon division for lower ratings. The Ninja Turtles project, a joint Paramount-Nickelodeon production, was eyed as a chance to bolster Nickelodeon as well as reboot a family film franchise. The studio had paid a hefty sum for rights to the property, which had been the basis for three hit movies for New Line Cinema in the 1990s.


If so they're talking about the upcoming movie, not the Nick series.

[Koi]

I keep hearing this movie is canceled. Is it? I have no clue.

[Genesis]

I keep hearing this movie is canceled. Is it? I have no clue.Indefinitely delayed. Better?

[Bob]

I keep hearing this movie is canceled. Is it? I have no clue.

Indefinitely delayed. Better?

To answer both of you, the initial article from the Hollywood Reporter did indeed use the word "indefinite" to describe the delay, but then Deadline Hollywood and Variety both chimed in later on in the day stating that it was a delay of 10 weeks and that Paramount has already set a new release date. After that, the original article from the Hollywood Reporter was updated. This is what Variety put in their article on the matter:

The shutdown is not indefinite and the plan is to work on the script over the next couple of weeks in order to beef up the material and bring the budget down slightly.

Studios don’t set a new release date for something that's delayed indefinitely or cancelled. Other movie blog websites are just conveniently ignoring the update, and the Variety and Deadline Hollywood articles, which are very different to the Hollywood Reporter article that originally broke the news.

So, as of now, officially it is still going on. It certainly hasn’t been “cancelled”, despite what a lot of junk blogger websites are saying. They either can't read, or are just ignoring the facts to fit in with their own biased perceptions. Probably the latter.

Here are the Variety and Deadline Hollywood articles, as well as the original (but now updated) Hollywood Reporter article:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paramount-shuts-down-ninja-turtles-338301

http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/paramount-delays-ninja-turtles-start-date/

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055564

If people are really interested in legitimate movie news straight from the studios, then these are the only three websites worth paying attention to.

[Mona_Lisa]

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

As long as it comes out BEFORE I DIE OF OLD AGE!!!!!!LOL!!!!:tlol:

[Mr.Turtle]

in a word, they r short of money...

[Allio]

Am I the only one sick of the whole Micheal Bay thing, you can't go onto a regular TMNT video/ or TMNT facebook with out that being brought up every single time

[zkarlette]

I don't care about Michael Bay, I just need this movie to happen and hopefully sooner, dammit!

[Genesis]

I don't care about Michael Bay, I just need this movie to happen and hopefully sooner, dammit!Yuuuuuuup.

[Jester]

But Bay is teh eval! :roll:

Yeah, it always bugged me that the Bay-Bashing took precedence over the whole "We're making them aliens!" thing.

[Genesis]

No one behind the flick even said the Turtles themselves would be aliums.

[Bob]

Just to remind people, the ten weeks are done now. We should hear the final fate of the film within the next couple of weeks, I think.

[Leo656]

Prediction: More delays. They ain't even CLOSE to getting started on this, no matter what they say.

At least they care enough to keep us interested with constant rumors and flat-out lies. :P

[TheCanadiandrome]

Just cancel it! Lol

[Leo656]

After reading the script from January... yeah, we got 1990 TMNT, we're good. I'm with ya buddy.

[TheCanadiandrome]

After reading the script from January... yeah, we got 1990 TMNT, we're good. I'm with ya buddy.
That's one lol

[CyberCubed]

I'd rather this movie never come out at all then see a bad Turtle movie that bastardizes the characters.

At least Movie 3 (and 4) stayed true to the characters and universe.

[sgtfbomb]

Yeah, it always bugged me that the Bay-Bashing took precedence over the whole "We're making them aliens!" thing.

Personally, Bay's best movies are The Rock and the first Transformers films. They guy really isn't a good director. Most of his movies would be better if his outlandish, beyond juvenile humor didn't take up a chunk of the running time. His movies literally stop for gags that are incredibly dumb. They're not even funny. It's like Transformers 2 and 3 were written by a kid in Junior High.

He's not the director for this film, but the films produced by Platinum Dunes have not been great. Or good. Or decent. They've all either been bland or outright terrible. His involvement in this film has not been a good thing.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I'd rather this movie never come out at all then see a bad Turtle movie that bastardizes the characters.

At least Movie 3 (and 4) stayed true to the characters and universe.

That's three lol :D