The Dogpound, Fishface, and Snakeweed thread

[pannoni1]

The Nick series will introduce these mutant villains to the TMNT world, and this thread is for discussing them. Here my thoughts:

-Will these villains be mutated by simply mutagen, or will it be a cross with a human, like Rocksteady & Bebop?
-Will they be regulars like R&B, or recurring like Slash and Garbageman?
-What kind of weapons/abilities would each posses?
-Will they be silly and goofy to their "boss" like R&B, will they be serious, badass villains, or will they have an alternating personality?
-Will they be stronger/weaker than more standard enemies like the Foot?
-Their voices/sounds. For instance Bebop had this oinky pig sound in the OT, so imagine a sniffing sound for Dogpound or a bubbly sound for Fishface.

Feel free to post your thoughts.

[DarkLightDragon]

I think their names sort of indicate what kind of powers/abilities they'll have.

Dogpound implies he may possess incredible strengh by pounding objects into smaller matter(or it's just referencing the actual place where stray dogs are taken) and Stinkweed sounds it'll be a plant that sprays a foul-smelling spray like a skunk.

[Ravenxl7]

I think that both Dogpound and Fishface will be regulars characters like Rocksteady and Bebop were, and that Stinkweed will either be a recurring character, or a one-time thing.

I think Dogpound and Fishface will be on the goofy side of things, yet still be a threat. I imagine that Dogpound's considerable size, and assumed strength, will be what makes him a threat. Fishface...other than his bite, I'm not sure how threatening he'll be.

As for their creation. We already know that the Kraang are going to be creating mutants throughout the series, so I imagine that these three will be among the first created. Leatherhead will also probably be with them. Maybe even in-charge over his fellow mutants. When it comes to what they'll be before the mutation process, I imagine they'll be animals/plants, rather than humans.

I'm not really sure what to expect voice-wise. They could go either high or low with Dogpound. Would be nice for them to have voices, and sounds, befitting their origins, but I'm not going to count on that.

I'm mostly curious to see how the relationship between the turtles and these other mutants is played out. I'd like to see them at least try to convince they're mutant brethren to switch sides. Maybe even convince one of them to do so eventually.

[Powder]

I'm figuring Fishface will be the smart sneaky one and Dogpound will be the ignorant brute.

[CyberCubed]

Am I the only one who thinks their names sound like Pokemon?

[ToTheNines]

It's Snakeweed, not Stinkweed. You knuckle draggers.

[Jester]

Could DogPound be voiced by Clancy Brown? Have we figured out who he might be?

[zkarlette]

Are there any pics of this guys?...

[Jester]

Are there any pics of this guys?...
http://i.toynewsi.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2012_Toy_Fair%2FPlaymates%2FTMNT%2FBasic_Fig ures&start=20

[Ravenxl7]

It's Snakeweed, not Stinkweed.
According to Ninja Pizza's Toy Fair report (link (http://www.ninjapizza.net/2012/02/new-photos-info-from-toy-fair.html)), it's Stinkweed.

You knuckle draggers.
:tthumbsd:

[zkarlette]

Thanks Jester!:D

Fish face looks pretty Neat!, Dogpound on the other hand looks like a softie probably the goofy one...

[Powder]

Am I the only one who thinks their names sound like Pokemon?

Dogpound & Stinkweed reminded me a little of Pokemon names, yes.

[CyberCubed]

How do we even know these characters will be series regulars? They could be one-off mutants for only a handful of episodes and then disappear.Or they could be like Quarry, Stonebiter and Razorfist from the 4kids series, where they only appear for certain arcs.

I definitely don't think they're going to be major characters the way Bebop and Rocksteady were. I definitely don't see these guys being in almost every episode.

[Jephael]

I kinda see this show doing what Smallville did back in the day and have a "Freak of the Week" type thing.

[Jester]

I hope not. I want a fun cast of characters I can get to know.

[zkarlette]

"Freak of the week" what an interesting concept...:lol:

[Ravenxl7]

I kinda see this show doing what Smallville did back in the day and have a "Freak of the Week" type thing.
Nick has already stated that they didn't want this show to be just another monster of the weak cartoon. Which is why I think that Dogpound and Fishface will be returning characters, rather than one-offs. Also, their response to a question asking if Rocksteady and Bebop will be showing up was that they had characters that "filled those roles" already.

Though we'll just have to wait and see to truly know.

[CyberCubed]

I hope Bebop and Rocksteady appear in Season 2. Their characters were created for light-hearted kids shows.

It really makes no sense why "serious" TMNT universes like the IDW series and possibly the new movie are using Bebop/Rocksteady yet a cartoon aimed at children isn't.

I'd love to see them in CG too. Here's hoping we see them next season.

[Spitfire]

They look alright but better names would have been nice. Those names seriously suck.

[Drose18]

Diesel or Chomperz for Dogpound
Ellowell or for Fishface
Gizzard for Snakeweed

[Cipher]

I second them needing better names.

But I can't wait to see them battle TurtleBlade and his master, Rat-Fu.

[Killer Moth]

I kinda see this show doing what Smallville did back in the day and have a "Freak of the Week" type thing.

Didn't the 87 series do that with the various mutants, as well? If so, then it won't be that much of a stretch, should the Nicktoon go there. Also, happy to see Metalhead back.

I'm not crazy about the name, but I do like Dogpound's design. Too bad they didn't do what the old days would have done -- make him military, like Sgt. Bananas, and you get a nice pun out of "dog-face." As for Stinkweed or Snakeweed, oh, that name definitely fits with this franchise. Heh. Besides, we need a Stinkor-type, anyway.

Could the names be better? Yes, but I don't dislike them as much as I thought -- though, Fishface, while a nice design, sounds rather lazy.

[Donatello19]

Well, these names for the mutants aren't their final names. The dog type mutant will either be called dog pound or bone claw, and the plant/vine mutant will either be stinkweed or snakeweed. I'm pretty sure the fish will be called fish face though.

[Powder]

& where exactly are you getting this information?

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Do we have any images of these 2 guys, besides the figures?

[Powder]

Nope, none yet. But I imagine they won't look much different than the toys. Not that I don't wanna see 'em too...

[Jester]

Is the 1st boss from Dark Horizon supposed to be DogPound?

[LotusBlossom]

Diesel or Chomperz for Dogpound
Ellowell or for Fishface
Gizzard for Snakeweed


Um ... no offense, but ... those names are even worse, actually.

Much worse.

Meanwhile, I bet if this were still the Fred Wolf series, that dog dude would be named "Dog Breath", and he'd be, like, a giant pink poodle.

[Powder]

Real nice, let's insult the reason we even still have the TMNT today.

[LotusBlossom]

Real nice, let's insult the reason we even still have the TMNT today.


Wait! So "Donnie DBERG" is the "reason we still have the TMNT today"?!

[Powder]

I lol'd. Nah, I mean the OT. People tend to greatly exaggerate the goofyness of it. It had its moments but it wasn't like that most of the time.

[LotusBlossom]

Personally, the 1987 series is my favorite incarnation of the Turtles thus far (by far).

In fact, I'm still holding out some (slight) hope that the Nick 'toon may be able to recapture a bit of that "Fred Wolf magic".

[Powder]

I think it will, there's a lot of potential here.

[tmnt transformer]

I wonder if Any of the bosses from dark horizons will be in the show?

[TurtleMaster4]

I wonder if Any of the bosses from dark horizons will be in the show?

Most likely leather head. I'm guessing he'll be bad on the show, cause he attacked the turtles and all.

[tmnt transformer]

Leatherhead attacked Mikey in 2k3....

[PizzaPower]

Is the 1st boss from Dark Horizon supposed to be DogPound?
could very likely be.

[sdp]

I think they look boring and uninspiring and don't look forward to seeing them. Then again they could potentially be awesome but I guess we'll have to wait and see, hopefully their designs are the only thing bad about them and they aren't generic and actually have interesting personalities.

[1984TMNT]

They look alright but better names would have been nice. Those names seriously suck.

I fully concur. "Bebop" and "Rocksteady" are much more creative names that work. Basing names on how a character looks just seems so juvenile (yes, I know this is a kids show - but so was the 80's toon, and not ALL of the characters had stupid names - at least early on).

Not a biggie, but just my thoughts on it as well.

[Fugitoid Jones]

I personally love the design of Fishface. I like the idea of a mutant piranha with mechanical legs so it can get about out of water, as opposed to him just growing legs of his own.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I'm digging the idea of Fishface and Dogpound. Not a big fan of the names at this time but the toys look cool. Want to see them in the show now.

[Newton Gimmick]

Fishface is awesome and an inspired design. Stinkweed or Snakeweed or whatever might be cool, depending on what the figure looks like. I enjoy the sketch. Dogpound doesn't do anything for me, though.

It probably looked better in sketch form, but the actual toy seems a bit gimped.

[pannoni1]

I just watched the OT episode "Rebel Without A Fin" and right before April gets shoved into the fish mutating chamber by Dr. Pollydorius, as Ray carries her, she says "Let go of me Fishface!" To me, who is sometimes wrongly called "Ray Fillet" in that episode in a way is sort of a precursor to Fishface for the Nick series. :D

[Drose18]

Dogpound and Fishface
Fishface and Dogpound
Rocksteady and Bebop
Bebop and Rocksteady
:teek: :teek: :teek: :teek: :teek: :teek: :teek: :teek:
Groundchuck and Dirtbag
Tokka and Rahzar
Wingnut and Screwloose
Muckman and Joe Eyeball
Got any others?

[miru]

Um ... no offense, but ... those names are even worse, actually.

Much worse.

Meanwhile, I bet if this were still the Fred Wolf series, that dog dude would be named "Dog Breath", and he'd be, like, a giant pink poodle.

All too true. However it seems Dogpound and Fishface= Bebop and Rocksteadt. I still hope the 2 show up later on :trolleye:. Also, Snakeweed's pretty cool. A heart outside of his body! NEAT:teek:!

[TheCanadiandrome]

Ok, so I'm loving that it seems Mikey is naming the villains

[Drose18]

.... A heart outside of his body! NEAT:teek:!

Yuck i hate this!

[miru]

Michaelangelo nicknames the nasties? Maybe Shredder will address himself as Oroku Saki this time around.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Ok, so I'm loving that it seems Mikey is naming the villains

Same here! :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

Ok, so I'm loving that it seems Mikey is naming the villains

^ Agreed. I loved when Mikey named Snakeweed.

Yuck i hate this!

Why's that? I like that Nick put in a detail like that.

[FoxZerro]

Also, Snakeweed's pretty cool. A heart outside of his body! NEAT:teek:!

All I could think was they need to attack the heart. I don't why they gave us that cool slow motion close up if it wasn't going to be a big part of the fight

[Gyt Kaliba]

All I could think was they need to attack the heart. I don't why they gave us that cool slow motion close up if it wasn't going to be a big part of the fight

There's probably only so far you can go in a show like this. While the hacking and slashing of Snakeweed's vines, and so on, are probably something they were able to fight for and get by, along with the exposed heart - actually attacking said heart is probably too gruesome for them to be able to get away with.

Then again...*thinks back to some of the insane goodness that is Invader Zim*

[shezcrafti]

Ok, so I'm loving that it seems Mikey is naming the villains

Me too! I hope they keep that up. It makes it easier (and more fun) to explain away the silly names and general ridiculousness of the villains.

[CyberCubed]

For some reason I think Dogpound is going to be terrible. I just can't take it seriously.

Fishface has potential to be interesting though, especially if they have underwater battles.

[TurtleMaster4]

I'm not sure how they will be, so i'll just wait till they appear on the show, on the other hand, check this out, apparently some one got some action figures of these guys, and metal head, on ebay! looks like they are legit, but i'd be cautious. http://gogreenmachine.org/?p=5927


Also, it look like fish face will have swords, or that might just be for the action figure.


Also i am really liking snakeweed, it's snakeweed right, not stinkweed?

But anyways, snakes transformation was freaky awesome, and don't get me started on those regrow able limbs!

[FoxZerro]

There's probably only so far you can go in a show like this. While the hacking and slashing of Snakeweed's vines, and so on, are probably something they were able to fight for and get by, along with the exposed heart - actually attacking said heart is probably too gruesome for them to be able to get away with.

Then again...*thinks back to some of the insane goodness that is Invader Zim*

I didn't expect it to actually happen, or be the way they defeated them. It just was so House of the Dead "Shoot Here" that when combined with the visions of grit that dance in my head sometime regarding the turtles that I was sitting there thinking "Raph, rip his freaking heart out!"

[gobo]

Kinda late here, but am I correct in assuming there's an upcoming crossover with Ben10's Stinkweed? O_o

[CyberCubed]

What I find strange is most of the mutants in this show are humans turned animal....rather than animals becoming intelligent after exposed to mutagen.

We already saw Snakeweed was a normal guy before mutation, but I'm getting the feeling Dogpound and Fishface were once human too. In the episode descriptions there are characters named, "Brad," "Vic," and other human names...I imagine those might be the characters who become the mutants.

I hope to god Leatherhead is just an animal pre-mutation though.

[FoxZerro]

What I find strange is most of the mutants in this show are humans turned animal....rather than animals becoming intelligent after exposed to mutagen.

We already saw Snakeweed was a normal guy before mutation, but I'm getting the feeling Dogpound and Fishface were once human too. In the episode descriptions there are characters named, "Brad," "Vic," and other human names...I imagine those might be the characters who become the mutants.

I hope to god Leatherhead is just an animal pre-mutation though.

According to the bios on the back of their toys Dogpund was Chris Bradford a karate master and Fish Face was Xever a street urchin recruited by the Foot for his Criminal Skills.

[Xav]

Dogpound was originally this guy?
http://www.youngsamurai.com/site/YOUN/Templates/General.aspx?pageid=11&cc=GB

[Donatello19]

According to the bios on the back of their toys Dogpund was Chris Bradford a karate master and Fish Face was Xever a street urchin recruited by the Foot for his Criminal Skills.

Where did you find pictures of the backs of their cards?

[TMNT_Guy]

The Toy/Collectible Discussion area.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=39193&page=7

[Cowabunga Carl]

Like the bio's gives us some idea about the characters. Though I'm curious about the mutagen in this show as Snakeweed is plant based not animal. Now if we are going by the rules it is whatever animal you had contact with previously it doesn't make sense to turn into a plant.

So anyone have any ideas how and why the ooze works in this universe?

[DarkLightDragon]

It probably works as in being mutated into any organic/living thing that you recently touched or came into contact with, which includes plants. In Snake's case, you can clearly see him fall amongst some weeds just before he gets hit with the ooze.

[ComicBookBoy]

Like the bio's gives us some idea about the characters. Though I'm curious about the mutagen in this show as Snakeweed is plant based not animal. Now if we are going by the rules it is whatever animal you had contact with previously it doesn't make sense to turn into a plant.

So anyone have any ideas how and why the ooze works in this universe?

Snake was in a patch of weeds when he was covered with ooze, that's why he turned into a weed-monster.

*update* Someone posted this explanation right before I did. Sorry for not checking first.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Oh i know you see the weeds, it just goes against what has been shown in other versions. Was wondering if there had been an official statement by show runners about how it works in this version yet. Cause I can see this leading to all kinds of fun ideas.

[Kevin G]

I love Snakweed. Both in his human and mutant form. I thought it was hysterical when he got annoyed at The Kraang before the van crashed and he got mutated (I wish there was a clip of that). While I'm anticipating the other figures, I really want to get a Snakeweed figure soon. Anyone else notice whenever his pedals opened it made a fart noise ? Lol.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Me too! I hope they keep that up. It makes it easier (and more fun) to explain away the silly names and general ridiculousness of the villains.

Yes that's what I thought also

[Cowabunga Carl]

I could see Mikey naming them. It also makes sense in this Universe I think. I mean Mikey is a little goofy and just says whatever comes out of his mouth. I could see it.

[BubblyShell22]

I really like the potential for the mutants in this show. Snakeweed was awesome, and his mutation was a bit dark, which makes me think that there are definitely going to be dark undertones in this show.

Oooh, so what do you want to bet that Leo's going to be the one going up against Dogpound in that episode "Never Say Xever"? Can't wait for that.

[FoxZerro]

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Oooh, so what do you want to bet that Leo's going to be the one going up against Dogpound in that episode "Never Say Xever"? Can't wait for that.

Probably not since Xever is the pre-mutation name of FishFace. However I do support that Leo will probably be the one who fights Dogpound, probably in one of those episodes about not meeting you're heroes. Like he respectd who Bradford is as a Karate Master and then finds out he's really evil.

Regarding Xever, I'm not sure who you put him against. Probably Donatello since he seems to be intelligent and you can do the doubting your ability story, or you have him again Raph in a Brains vs. Brawn story, heck even Mikey in the whole structured vs. improvisation tale.

[BubblyShell22]

Oh, my bad. Well, I know the summary says that Leo performed an act of mercy and that he regrets it, so maybe he spares Xever and regrets it.

[FoxZerro]

Oh, my bad. Well, I know the summary says that Leo performed an act of mercy and that he regrets it, so maybe he spares Xever and regrets it.

Seems like that will be the way based on the descriptions. Thanks for mentioning those btw, hadn't known they were posted. Sort of makes my whole speculations above moot...

[Xav]

For some reason I think Dogpound is going to be terrible. I just can't take it seriously.This coming from the guy who wants Bebop and Rocksteady on the show.

[BubblyShell22]

Honestly, I can see Dogpound being pretty tough and lethal if they're going to make him that way. He doesn't necessarily have to be bumbling and idiotic.