Jerry Sandusky found guilty

[mysterycolor]

rot in jail Penn State tickle monster... justice has been served :kgrin:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/22/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-trial/index.html?hpt=ju_c1

[Roseangelo]

I hope this disgusting creep rots in hell.

[Green Machine]

There is not a punishment he can be given that is justice for what he did! But I guess rotting in a small jail cell for the rest of his life will have to do!

[mysterycolor]

agreed Green Machine- however, this is the best we can get... further reading says he is now on suicide watch... pardon me if i dont shed a tear.

[TheCanadiandrome]

pardon me if i dont shed a tear.

damn! i want him shanked in jail :x :lol: :cry:

[mysterycolor]

damn! i want him shanked in jail :x :lol: :cry:
i am sure a lot of people share that view- i am just glad that those boys (men) that he abused now can start the healing process knowing that this is not going to happen to anyone else.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Child molesters are quite unpopular in jail, I can assure you.

[Katie]

Sandusky is disgusting on so many levels. I'm very happy he is getting what he deserves and didn't walk or get stuck in fru fru prison because of his local fame

[SS_Turtle]

Child molesters are quite unpopular in jail, I can assure you.

Yeap that what I hear......

[mysterycolor]

Sandusky is disgusting on so many levels. I'm very happy he is getting what he deserves and didn't walk or get stuck in fru fru prison because of his local fame
Joe Pa was the one who truly had the hearts of Penn State alumni... the creepiness of Sandusky and the graphic descriptions of the abuse insured that no amount of "fame" could have saved him...

[BubblyShell22]

I've been keeping my eyes on this trial ever since it first started. When I heard there was a verdict, I tuned in to see what it was. I'm very glad that he was found guilty, though I felt that there was no way the jury couldn't have found him guilty with the victims' testimony. A few victims were even sobbing and emotional during their testimony. I admire them for being brave enough to share their experiences and for letting everyone know what a monster Sandusky really was. Now, they can begin the healing process, though it will still take some time.

As for Joe Pa, he got the short end of the deal. From what I heard on In Session, Mike McQueary testified that after he heard the noises in the locker room, he went to his father first and reported what he saw. Then his father told him to tell Paterno. After Mike told Paterno, Paterno went to one of the supervisors who went to the campus police. Yes, I agree that McQueary or Joe should have gone to the regular police, but they did what they felt was the right thing. At least they told someone. I just hope that Dottie Sandusky doesn't make excuses for Jerry now. If I were her, I would be appalled.

As they were leading Jerry out of the courthouse to the police car, he had no emotion on his face. In the courtroom when the prosecutor was making their closing arguments, Jerry was smiling until the prosecutor came behind him and told the jury that Jerry did it and that they knew he did it and had to find justice for the victims. After this statement, Jerry's smile faltered and he cowered down.

I'm just glad it's over for now. Penn State has been tarnished by this man's actions, and though he has gotten what he deserved, it will still be fresh in many people's minds.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I read that when Sandusky was put into prison, the other inmates chanted, "Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!"

But while Sandusky was the worst monster, I don't buy the implication that Joe Pa has been an innocent scapegoat. He knew (as did others at Penn State) that something horrible was going on and kept it hushed up instead of going to the regular police as was the moral thing to do.

Remember the Catholic Church and how it has been harshly attacked over their handling of pedophile priests? Penn State deserves no more mercy.

[愛]

Outrage, lost faith in humanity, popular view on the matter, etc.

This is a good template for threads like this.

[mysterycolor]

But while Sandusky was the worst monster, I don't buy the implication that Joe Pa has been an innocent scapegoat. He knew (as did others at Penn State) that something horrible was going on and kept it hushed up instead of going to the regular police as was the moral thing to do.

Remember the Catholic Church and how it has been harshly attacked over their handling of pedophile priests? Penn State deserves no more mercy.

I agree, all of the people who kept it covered up are equally responsible for the pain the victims felt... the university will be held responsible as lawsuits against them as well as Sandusky's foundation are all in the works... but that is just money... unfortunately we wont see the other people on trial. Joe Pa would have been first in that line but lucky for him he died right as the **** hit the fan... still, his legacy is tarnished.

[Green Machine]

I agree, all of the people who kept it covered up are equally responsible for the pain the victims felt... the university will be held responsible as lawsuits against them as well as Sandusky's foundation are all in the works... but that is just money... unfortunately we wont see the other people on trial. Joe Pa would have been first in that line but lucky for him he died right as the **** hit the fan... still, his legacy is tarnished.

I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist, but it is weird how quickly he died after this all came out. It's like he gave up. Almost like he'd rather just die than spend the rest of his life in court listening to the horrors he could have helped stop. He got off easy.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist, but it is weird how quickly he died after this all came out. It's like he gave up. Almost like he'd rather just die than spend the rest of his life in court listening to the horrors he could have helped stop. He got off easy.

It wouldn't take a conspiracy for Joe Pa to die-or perfer to die when in bad health-when news like this has come out.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Child molesters are quite unpopular in jail, I can assure you.

Sandusky to his cell mate: what are ya in for?

Cellmate: I robbed a bank and you?

Sandusky: well I was charged with molesting little boys

Cellmate: wtf? I'll kill u in your sleep u perverted freak!

[Mr.Turtle]

they shud lock him up with the horniest guys in the jail so he got his butt hole raped 100 times a day.

[KROW]

rot in jail Penn State tickle monster... justice has been served :kgrin:

I'm glad it turned out the way it did, but I still can't stop thinking of Elmo because of that moniker.

[mysterycolor]

I'm glad it turned out the way it did, but I still can't stop thinking of Elmo because of that moniker.
the sickest part is that he called himself that to the victims- what a freak... might as well have called himself Elmo...

[Katie]

So now, Matt Sandusky, one of his adopted kids (and the only boy, I believe) is saying he was molested too. Earlier he had claimed no abuse and had stood in solidarity with the family. Supposedly the fact that the son was willing to testify is what kept Sandusky off the stand. Originally he was set to speak in his own defense.

[mysterycolor]

if Sandusky had testified in his own defense- the jury wouldnt have needed all 20hrs... he would have buried himself in stories about how it is totally ok to "horse around" with kids in the shower.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, especially in that one interview where he pretty much admitted he was attracted to boys. I wouldn't want someone like that testifying in court. He would've dug his own grave with that one.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Joe Pa doesn't look so good now. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-role-jerry-sandusky-coverup-grows.html)

[Green Machine]

Joe Pa doesn't look so good now. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-role-jerry-sandusky-coverup-grows.html)

Every single person that covered up for him should go to prison and raped by bubba daily!

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Every single person that covered up for him should go to prison and raped by bubba daily!

In Joe Pa's case, it won't be on this side of Hell.

[mysterycolor]

i dont know what type of person could ever cover something like that up... anyone who overlooks child abuse deserves any punishment they get.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

They finally took down the Joe Paterno statue. They need to remove his name from everything at that school (the library as well) if it ever expects to regain any shred of credibility.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, now that the Freeh Report has come out, it really sheds more light on the fact that Paterno did cover up the abuse. He has tarnished the legacy of the school just as Sandusky has.

[OA]

Lots of official sanctions came down today: $60 million fine, loss of scholarships, no ability to play in bowl games for 4 years, and a big one for Joe's legacy, the loss of about 100 wins from his record. He no longer is the winningest coach; old Bobby Bowden now takes over that record. Current players/recruits can freely leave the school without penalty. While PSU is going to be hurting for a long time, none of this of course, means anything to the victims...

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Lots of official sanctions came down today: $60 million fine, loss of scholarships, no ability to play in bowl games for 4 years, and a big one for Joe's legacy, the loss of about 100 wins from his record. He no longer is the winningest coach; old Bobby Bowden now takes over that record. Current players/recruits can freely leave the school without penalty. While PSU is going to be hurting for a long time, none of this of course, means anything to the victims...

Says who? The school was guilty of aiding and abetting Sandusky's crimes, so I imagine the victims would find this to be quite meaningful.

[Machias Banshee]

I feel awful for the victims' families - this is nothing more than posturing after the fact. It really helps Nobody - Sex abuse victims feel incredibly ostracized for what's happened to them - the media coverage has been bad enough, but now to connect what happened to them to this... if I was victimized there, it would not help me at all.

But now the students that are there who had NO involvement/knowledge/etc.. are one who are Also going to feel ostracized and penalized for what happened.



Yeah, they could leave the school, but what's the chance of them getting all their money back..?

[mysterycolor]

i had a disagreement with a member of my book club over the Sandusky scandal... he was saying that there are circumstances where he could see why they would "handle that situation internally" i explained that when it comes to any type of abuse against children, i can't understand how anyone would have the capacity to just let them suffer, keep them from seeing justice, receiving the help they need and most of all protecting them from a predator that was on the loose... joe pa and all the others who used the "football first" mentality to justify passing the buck til it got shoved under the rug are just as guilty in my eyes and my heart as Sandusky himself. taking away the wins, fining the university and donating to abuse victims and restricting the future of penn state football is all well and good but it doesnt change what happened, nothing can.

[OA]

Says who? The school was guilty of aiding and abetting Sandusky's crimes, so I imagine the victims would find this to be quite meaningful.

I don't know about that. Any punishment levied against the school will do nothing to bring the victims back to where they before Sandusky came into their lives. Sure when this all over with, Sandusky will be in jail and maybe they'll get some settlement money...does any of that really mean anything, of substinence, to the victims? IMO, no.

On another note, I have to say this punishment to the school is sort of strange to me. I mean, prior to this, whenever a school would face any sanctions from the NCAA, it would be because of something they did that might have given them some sort of advantage on the field/court/etc. That is to say, if a coach recruited illegally, gave money, took to to strip clubs, performance enhancing drugs, videotapping the opposition, etc. then the NCAA would take action because those action may have resulted in an unfair advantage. And thus, they would be penalized.

But in this case, what Sandusky did had NOTHING to do with on the field action. Their was no unfair advantage on the playing field. So to strip wins from the school, scholarships from future players...I dunno. I'm not saying PSU should not be penalized in some way. It's just what does stripping victories, records, etc. have to do with these heinous crimes?

[Wingnut]

Completely justified by the NCAA. I do believe the death penalty would have been equal, or perhaps lighter punishment. Either way the program will be garbage for the next 10-15 years, which is a decent amount of time to recycle the pro-Paterno blow hards out of Penn St and kick-start this "culture change" in the football program.

At least the incoming and current players can transfer immediately.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I don't know about that. Any punishment levied against the school will do nothing to bring the victims back to where they before Sandusky came into their lives. Sure when this all over with, Sandusky will be in jail and maybe they'll get some settlement money...does any of that really mean anything, of substinence, to the victims? IMO, no.

On another note, I have to say this punishment to the school is sort of strange to me. I mean, prior to this, whenever a school would face any sanctions from the NCAA, it would be because of something they did that might have given them some sort of advantage on the field/court/etc. That is to say, if a coach recruited illegally, gave money, took to to strip clubs, performance enhancing drugs, videotapping the opposition, etc. then the NCAA would take action because those action may have resulted in an unfair advantage. And thus, they would be penalized.

But in this case, what Sandusky did had NOTHING to do with on the field action. Their was no unfair advantage on the playing field. So to strip wins from the school, scholarships from future players...I dunno. I'm not saying PSU should not be penalized in some way. It's just what does stripping victories, records, etc. have to do with these heinous crimes?

Because the person who committed these heinous crimes was a major part of said football team for a long time, and by definition was associated with these victories. And the rest of the people involved in the victories knowingly and deliberately kept his crimes from being known to law enforcement, because they feared losing this person and thus disrupting the winning program. Thus, the victories are irrevocably tainted and they had to be invalidated.

[mysterycolor]

that is exactly right- the point of taking away the wins and thus the penn state legacy is that, if not for wanting to have a winning football program, outing sandusky wouldnt be such an issue. the cover up was done to protect the football program and the "football first" mentality is unacceptable and this "punishment" is setting an example of how that needs to change.

[OA]

But the thing is those wins are not Sandusky, nor are they Paterno's: they are an entire team. The coaches may draw up the plays, but if the players do not execute then none of those victories would occur. Going back to 1998 when they begin to strip away victories, there have been hundreds of players, all innocent in this matter that have played a huge part in those victories. And for the disgusting actions of a handful of men, then all of those other innocents should be penalized as well?

They say something like 99% of all college athletes never go pro. So for the grand majority of Penn State players it is very well possible that those years playing football were the pinnacle of their lives. And now that game-winning touchdown you caught, is no longer game-winning? How about players such as Adam Taliaferro, who was paralyzed playing the game during the Sandusky/Paterno years. By saying those football years essentially did not exist, does that me that he can now stand up and walk again?

Look, I am all for penalizing all involved to the absolute MAXIMUM possible: jail sentences, tearing down of statues, fines, heck, they could even completely abolish the football program and I'd be OK as current players have a choice. But the key word is "involved." Don't punish innocent parties to make restitution to other innocent parties. And even of that restituion I'm still not convinced as I truly in my heart don't think that those poor victims give a crap about victories as it does nothing to bring them back to where they once were. But those victories do mean something to some people. Yes, that includes Paterno and Sandusky, but also to hundreds of players who had nothing to do with any of this. And by taking those wins from the players, you are in essence saying the players are just as culpable as the coaches. Is that fair?

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

But the thing is those wins are not Sandusky, nor are they Paterno's: they are an entire team. The coaches may draw up the plays, but if the players do not execute then none of those victories would occur. Going back to 1998 when they begin to strip away victories, there have been hundreds of players, all innocent in this matter that have played a huge part in those victories. And for the disgusting actions of a handful of men, then all of those other innocents should be penalized as well?

They say something like 99% of all college athletes never go pro. So for the grand majority of Penn State players it is very well possible that those years playing football were the pinnacle of their lives. And now that game-winning touchdown you caught, is no longer game-winning? How about players such as Adam Taliaferro, who was paralyzed playing the game during the Sandusky/Paterno years. By saying those football years essentially did not exist, does that me that he can now stand up and walk again?

Look, I am all for penalizing all involved to the absolute MAXIMUM possible: jail sentences, tearing down of statues, fines, heck, they could even completely abolish the football program and I'd be OK as current players have a choice. But the key word is "involved." Don't punish innocent parties to make restitution to other innocent parties. And even of that restituion I'm still not convinced as I truly in my heart don't think that those poor victims give a crap about victories as it does nothing to bring them back to where they once were. But those victories do mean something to some people. Yes, that includes Paterno and Sandusky, but also to hundreds of players who had nothing to do with any of this. And by taking those wins from the players, you are in essence saying the players are just as culpable as the coaches. Is that fair?

Funny you refer to Adam Taliaferro; he has largely recovered and is in fact able to stand up and walk, if the Wikipedia article I looked up didn't lie.

As for the players, I cannot rule out the fact that at least some of them must have known what's been going on with the leaders of the football program. Gossip has a way of spreading. And even for those completely innocent of the fact, it's too bad, but when a company goes under because its top leadership has committed criminal behavior (Enron for example), the lower-level employees still lose their jobs. It's not fair, but that's life.

You can make the case "it won't help the child molestation victims" all you like, but that's tantamount to saying don't bother to punish a murderer because it won't make their victim alive again.

[BubblyShell22]

I feel that some of the punishments rendered to Penn State are necessary, but I don't agree with taking them out of bowl games and the finals for four years. It's not like the incoming players had anything to do with this, so why punish them? That part of it makes no sense to me.

[The Stryker]

Because it's punishing the program.

You know. The program that helped cover all of this up for years?

[OA]

Funny you refer to Adam Taliaferro; he has largely recovered and is in fact able to stand up and walk, if the Wikipedia article I looked up didn't lie.

You're sorta missing my point there...

As for the players, I cannot rule out the fact that at least some of them must have known what's been going on with the leaders of the football program. Gossip has a way of spreading. And even for those completely innocent of the fact, it's too bad, but when a company goes under because its top leadership has committed criminal behavior (Enron for example), the lower-level employees still lose their jobs. It's not fair, but that's life.

Well thats taking a huge leap isn't to now implicate players. Why not shutter the entire school then cuz you know, gossip has a way of spreading. And Enron is not a good example. Enron screws its accounting up, goes bankrupt, so they (Enron) decides it has to fire people. If you want to equate the two, it'd be like the SEC (or whatever governing body levied charges against Enron) directly firing Enron's employees. Penn State didn't say take our wins away, the NCAA did.

You can make the case "it won't help the child molestation victims" all you like, but that's tantamount to saying don't bother to punish a murderer because it won't make their victim alive again.

I have repeatedly said that they MUST punish those who played a part in this. And if they want to shut down the program for good, that's perfectly fine. Again, to relate to your murder example, it'd be like saying well Bob murdered this guy whhile working at a college. So let's punish Bob...and all his coworkers as well, cuz you know, gossip travels and well it was so agregious, we need to punish everything and take away any accomplishments those coworkers may have had.

But I guess we'll just simple agree to disagree. :)

[Duke]

I feel that some of the punishments rendered to Penn State are necessary, but I don't agree with taking them out of bowl games and the finals for four years. It's not like the incoming players had anything to do with this, so why punish them? That part of it makes no sense to me.But that's a staple of the NCAA. The NCAA always punishes players that weren't involved. Reggie Bush had been gone from USC for years before the current USC players were punished for something he did.

But the thing is those wins are not Sandusky, nor are they Paterno's: they are an entire team. The coaches may draw up the plays, but if the players do not execute then none of those victories would occur. Going back to 1998 when they begin to strip away victories, there have been hundreds of players, all innocent in this matter that have played a huge part in those victories. And for the disgusting actions of a handful of men, then all of those other innocents should be penalized as well?But just because the victories aren't part of the official record anymore doesn't mean that the players suddenly forget the memories they have of what they accomplished on the field. It's like how the NCAA says the Fab 5 never actually reached the Final 4 / Championship game. But if you've seen the ESPN Documentary, you know that they all truly still believe they accomplished great things together and each of them believe they earned those (2) Final 4 and (2) National Championship appearances. So why should it matter to the players that those games are stripped from the record?

[BubblyShell22]

Ah, I see. Well, I still think it's B.S. to punish players who had no involvement in what went on, but that's the way it is. I'm surprised they just didn't shut the program down for good to be honest.

[MikeandRaph87]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/08/penn-state-bans-song-with-touching-me-touching-you-lyrics/1#.UDvWznhq1TI

A step too far? I love Sweet Caroline. It has become a sports anthem somehow and I have a memory with it. Neil had not intention of the line being sexual let alone molestation.Its shame.

[KROW]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/08/penn-state-bans-song-with-touching-me-touching-you-lyrics/1#.UDvWznhq1TI

A step too far? I love Sweet Caroline. It has become a sports anthem somehow and I have a memory with it. Neil had not intention of the line being sexual let alone molestation.Its shame.

At least they won't have to change the name of the arena.