What would make you not see the new movie?

[Xav]

Is there anything that would make you not see the new film in theaters? Like the Turtles being aliens. Or would you see it anyway just because your a fan?

[gobo]

Three Stooges brand sfx.

[Genesis]

I almost hate myself for saying it, but I'd even pay to see TMNT III if it was re-released in theatres.

[Slade]

hmmm....how about if..the turtles are recolored black instead of green. April is actually an obese man and Casey is a dog.

Idk, just making crap up. Really all it would really take would for a really bad plot(I mean reeeallly bad) that just screams crap along with bad visuals to make me not watch it.

[Cure]

Nothing, really. I'm no stranger to watching bad movies, even when expecting them to be.

[Cipher]

Ebola.

An errant bus, maybe.

[Zulithe]

If they arrived on earth Howard The Duck style
If the humor is too slapstick like TMNT 2 or 3 (Turtles in Time), both are... overboard. I prefer the darker style of TMNT 1 or TMNT 2007.
If I get the impression the film is too much like Bayformers (ie the turtles are "background" characters and the REAL character of the film is april and/or casey, that's just BS. Just like Sam and his various GFs in the 'formers films :/)

[TMNT_Guy]

Even if all the things in this video were true, I'd still go see it.
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[zkarlette]

Death...Plain and simple.

[ToTheNines]

If Splinter wasn't in it.

[Candy Kappa]

If I hear it's bad, but not funny bad like I've heard the Abe Lincoln movie was. I might skip it if something else that tickles my fancy running in the cinema.

But I'd probably watch it.

Death...Plain and simple.

so, you don't watch the first movie then? It got deaths in it.

[Green Machine]

Venus di Milo

[Mr.Turtle]

we havent seen 1 trailer yet n all of a sudden everybody make up his mind not to watch the new movie...

[Bob]

If it got completely cancelled.

[Mona_Lisa]

hmmm....how about if..the turtles are recolored black instead of green. April is actually an obese man and Casey is a dog.

Idk, just making crap up. Really all it would really take would for a really bad plot(I mean reeeallly bad) that just screams crap along with bad visuals to make me not watch it.

Lol, I agree... But I don't think that will happen... But if I don't see it in the theaters I will see it when it comes out on video!!!:D

Edit: DVD!!!! I'm so 90's!

[Mr.Turtle]

If it got completely cancelled.

if the nick's turtles r hot, they r gonna make a movie for sure.

[Master Splinter]

I would not go see the movie if the only available option to see it is in 3D. I cannot stand 3D, it gives me a headache and just makes anything I see with it just unbearable to watch.

-ms

[Mr.Turtle]

^there's a kind of de 3d glasses i heard. it will help.

[Powder]

I'd have to be blind & deaf to miss it.

[zkarlette]

so, you don't watch the first movie then? It got deaths in it.

Lol... I was talking about my own, I don't care if there are deaths in the series.

[Master Splinter]

^there's a kind of de 3d glasses i heard. it will help.

What do you mean? I don't want to have to wear glasses at all. I already wear a pair, all day, everyday, I don't want to have to wear another just to watch a movie.

-ms

[The Stryker]

I would not go see the movie if the only available option to see it is in 3D. I cannot stand 3D, it gives me a headache and just makes anything I see with it just unbearable to watch.

-ms

Well its a good thing that doesn't happen. Ever.

[Mr.Turtle]

What do you mean? I don't want to have to wear glasses at all. I already wear a pair, all day, everyday, I don't want to have to wear another just to watch a movie.

-ms

u can wear contacts.

[Vincent]

If I see any of these things in the trailer, I'm not paying for a ticket:
A dog (or anything else) peeing or humping something.
An overtly insensitive stereotype character.
Any amount of focus on the US Army (one helicopter in front of a sunset/sunrise or one soldier yelling something and I'm not going).
Any indication that the turtles will be secondary characters to a main cast of humans.
A fart sound and/or any overtly cartoony sound effects.
The turtles (or even one of them) acting consistently moronic or annoying/douchey.
April O'Neil showing no sign of personality/intelligence, while being played by some model who can't act.

That said, Michael Bay's not directing it, nor is he writing it, so I have some hope that the movie might come out good, but if I see any of the above warning signs, I'll probably not see it in the theater.

[The Stryker]

The turtles (or even one of them) acting consistently moronic or annoying/douchey.


Uhhhh.....Every TMNT thing ever?

[Mr.Turtle]

i can't say wut d make me leave the new film yet coz even the worst tmnt's film is not annoying enough to do that.

[Master Splinter]

Well its a good thing that doesn't happen. Ever.

Very true, but I suppose it could eventually happen. I haven't mastered my future predicting skills yet so I can't be for sure.

-ms

[Vincent]

Uhhhh.....Every TMNT thing ever?
You underestimate my patience. There's Raph being Raph, and then there's Raph in an Ed Hardy shirt and Von Dutch hat, quoting Dane Cook.

[Xav]

Any amount of focus on the US Army (one helicopter in front of a sunset/sunrise or one soldier yelling something and I'm not going)What do you have against the US Army?

[Mr.Turtle]

i'm ok with any focus on the army. i mean, how bad could that be? will probably make things look more realistic.

[Cryomancer]

More likely he's talking about Bay's tendency to completely worship the Army in his movies. Bay uses the Army like Tarantino uses feet. The movie is called Transformers, not Soldiers. It's indicative of a bigger problem in movies where the creators of the movie forget the incredibly obvious notion that people don't go to the monster/robot/ninja turtle movie to see humans, they go to see the monster/robot/ninja turtle.

[Ninjinister]

Complete blindness.

[Cipher]

It's indicative of a bigger problem in movies where the creators of the movie forget the incredibly obvious notion that people don't go to the monster/robot/ninja turtle movie to see humans, they go to see the monster/robot/ninja turtle.Um, I think the problem with Bay in particular is less that he has too much army, and more that his interpretation of the army is that of a child playing with G.I. Joe figures.

Which ... I guess is weirdly appropriate. Never mind.

[CyberCubed]

I think even if the movie sucked and got terrible reviews, everyone here would see it at least once merely out of curiosity.

Same reason everyone sat through Next Mutation at one point, really. Being a fan makes you even want to sit through the crap non-fans would never glance at.

[Mr.Turtle]

i like the army thing. it makes the movie more believable...

[Vincent]

What do you have against the US Army?
They have nothing to do with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and they have a tendency to be the main focus of movies Michael Bay is involved with (the most obvious case being Transformers, where the US Army seems to be given a lot more importance than the Autobots).
It's not about what I have against the US Army, it's about the fact that they have no place in a TMNT movie, and the fact that Bay has an obsession with the armed forces that tends to get in the way of making movies that are supposed to be about something else. The only way I could see the US Army having any reason to turn up in a TMNT movie is if they're doing the Triceraton invasion of Earth, but that would be an incredibly stupid place to begin a reboot.

I think even if the movie sucked and got terrible reviews, everyone here would see it at least once merely out of curiosity.
If the trailer contains the warning signs I listed, I'll probably still see the movie, but I won't see it in the theater. Or buy the DVD. Might borrow it or something.

[psych23232323]

If the trailer doesn't appeal to me.

I have to honestly see a trailer first and usually through that, I make a decision of whether or not I would see a movie in theaters.

[Xav]

They have nothing to do with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and they have a tendency to be the main focus of movies Michael Bay is involved with (the most obvious case being Transformers, where the US Army seems to be given a lot more importance than the Autobots).
It's not about what I have against the US Army, it's about the fact that they have no place in a TMNT movie, and the fact that Bay has an obsession with the armed forces that tends to get in the way of making movies that are supposed to be about something else. The only way I could see the US Army having any reason to turn up in a TMNT movie is if they're doing the Triceraton invasion of Earth, but that would be an incredibly stupid place to begin a reboot.
Or maybe if they do the T.C.R.I. storyline where the military raids the building.

[Vincent]

Or maybe if they do the T.C.R.I. storyline where the military raids the building.
I can't really see that being done in a way where the army is glorified and still work. And obviously, Michael Bay wouldn't allow one of his productions to portray the army as anything but awesome.

[zkarlette]

Complete blindness.

I didn't think of this before, I would at least try to hear it tho'.

[Koi]

I'd have to be blind & deaf to miss it.

This right here.

[shihe]

Man, not sure.. Last movie that came out, everybody told me it sucked (people still do) but what happened? I actually liked it, and I missed the experience of watching it in a movie theatre.



So I'm not sure... Even if it turned out bad, I think I'd have no regrets for watching it there first.


Slapstick humour with cartoon sound effects would probably be the BIGGEST turn off.

[Cryomancer]

Um, I think the problem with Bay in particular is less that he has too much army, and more that his interpretation of the army is that of a child playing with G.I. Joe figures.

Which ... I guess is weirdly appropriate. Never mind.

Yeah, I agree with you there and probably wasn't clear enough in my post. That and what Vincent is talking about is the problem with his movies. I don't think anyone here has an actual problem with the real US Army or anything.

[Mr.Turtle]

^ not me. in fact i like US army in the films. it balances the fantasy n the real world. plus, everybody loves guns.

[ZariusTwo]

everybody loves guns.

You DO know what just went down this week don't you?

Consider this latest attempt at trolling reported.

[Stingandgambit]

Turtles being aliens. I'll still watch it ether way.

[Mr.Turtle]

You DO know what just went down this week don't you?

Consider this latest attempt at trolling reported.

wut just went down this week? also, i'm not trolling. plz stop that, its getting annoying.

[Zog the Equalizer]

Pretty much nothing. I would go in knowing it is absolutely awful and still go see it. I watched Dragon Ball: Evolution knowing full well it would be bad, I'd do the same thing for the Turtles

[Mr.Turtle]

Dragon Ball: Evolution is so stupid! none of tmnt's film can compete.

[shihe]

Dragon Ball: Evolution is so stupid! none of tmnt's film can compete.

... Now you just reminded me of another thing that would make me NOT watch the new movie...



The Turtles taking human shape, and going to high-school, and getting bullied for being odd, until they come across Master Splinter who explains their origins, and trains them so that they can kick the bullies butts at the end of the movie, after dealing with Shredder of course.
:trolleye: And did I mention they also do this to impress this hot cheerleader chick named April O'Neil who just so happens to be the most popular girl in school?

[Mr.Turtle]

^ that d be the biggest turn off.

[gobo]

Oh! If it would be a musical, I might need to be paid to sit through it. >_<

[Mr.Turtle]

^ that is another turn off.

[Bob]

If they used the same costumes as TMNT 3.

[Slap-Happy]

plz stop that, its getting annoying.

You're one to talk...

[Mr.Turtle]

If they used the same costumes as TMNT 3.

o man, forgot abt those prickle all over costumes... that makes it 3 now.

[CrazySquirrel]

I agree there is no amount of negitive buzz that would keep me from going to this. I sat through the second Mortal Kombat movie and didnt walk out.

[pannoni1]

Plain and simple: below-average reviews, in particular when compared with the '90s movies. If you can't improve upon a pre-existing product within a targeted universe, then there's no purpose for paying to see no improvements. This isn't like the Nick series where as long as you have TV you can watch it for free. Its easy to see why a movie is not worth seeing if clearly many more critics disapprove it than approve it (unless if we get a slew of 2-star reviews). Its the simplest way to judge if a movie is worth seeing, not judging by one particular feature, such as being aliens or not having Shredder in it.

[Vincent]

Man, not sure.. Last movie that came out, everybody told me it sucked (people still do) but what happened? I actually liked it, and I missed the experience of watching it in a movie theatre.
The Imagi movie? I don't know, I mostly liked it. It wasn't perfect or anything; the villain and monsters were a bit uninteresting, and Mikey and Don got very little to do, but I wouldn't say it sucked. I didn't find it to be fantastic, but I did find it to be enjoyable, and it looked great. Story-wise not on par with the 4Kids series at its best, but easily much better than the 4Kids series at its worst, and definitely better than the second and third movies. I think the main problem was that it was a bit underwhelming after so many years.

I maintain that the most people-pleasing move one could make in making a new TMNT movie for general audiences is to use elements from the Fred Wolf series, but repurpose them in a more story-focused and less "goofy" way (such as by making Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady competent and intimidating), and I think that's what the general audience wanted, so when they got Winters and a bunch of monsters, it seemed like a missed opportunity to come back with a bang (similarly to how Tokka and Rahzar made people go "huh?"). People want to see the Technodrome, and there's really no reason why that would have to bring excessive goofiness with it.

I think people mostly disliked the Imagi movie for what it wasn't, rather than for what it was.

[carrythezero]

So there is definitely a new movie coming out? Damn, didn't even realize it. I need to look into it. The first TMNT movie is probably in my top 5 fav. movies of all time.

[Leo656]

I loved the first one too. Pretty sure the new one won't be as good, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Not going because of critic reviews is stupid. I read 'em too, I love 'em honestly, but it's just entertainment. Especially with stuff like TMNT, any super-hero or comic movie... the reviewers by and large are not "fans" of the property and can't see/appreciate things the same way others might.

Green Lantern is a good case in point. It definitely had flaws, many I agree with and all of which were beaten into people's skulls by critics, and in turn it killed any enthusiasm people had for the movie. But to me, as a huge GL fan for 20 years, who never thought they'd be able to do a GL flick and that if they did it would be cheap and horrible, I thought it was better than average and a movie more people may have enjoyed if they didn't listen so much to others' opinions. Could have been better, but it was 9/10 the GL movie I'd always wanted. If I listened to what other people said I would've missed out. It really deserved to do better, and it deserves the sequel they went to the trouble of laying multiple seeds for.

I think society's obsession with making everything in entertainment black and white/"good" or "bad" is terrible. Art doesn't work that way. No critique is definitive, and an aggregate consensus of critiques isn't necessarily any more so. Plenty of very entertaining films, games, comic and novels have given joy to millions despite being "A Solid C+".

I love Ninja Turtles, so I'll see the movie to be entertained by someone else's idea of them, even if it's nothing like mine and other people think it sucks.

And I agree a lot of people dislike the 2007 TMNT flick for what it didn't give. I thought what it gave us was "OK", there's not a ton actively "wrong" with it, but it wasn't the TMNT movie anybody wanted, which is kind of unfair to the people who made it, but less so when considering how vocal TMNT fans are about what we DO want in a movie. Almost feels like the makers went out of their way to give us "their" TMNT instead of what most people wanted, which is usually a good first step to pleasing no one.

[Bob]

Well, all of Jonathan Liebesman's films have been completely ravaged by critics so far. I don't think one of his films has ended up with higher than 30% on Rotten Tomatoes. So, I know that Ninja Turtles will get destroyed by critics. Critics have their knives especially sharpened for these types of films, regardless of who's directing it.

I, as well, don't agree with refusing to go and watch a film because a stranger who get's paid to watch it told you not to. There's something about that that seems quite shallow and spineless to me. It goes against any art form, but especially film. I would never allow a critic to sway me either way. If you want to watch something, either because you're a fan or have a genuine interest, then watch it, regardless of the reviews. The same if you don't want to watch something. I know that The Artist has been universally praised, but I have no interest in watching it. Not because I have a prejudice against films like that, I’m just not interested in them. The problem with critics is that a lot of them have an agenda and go in to a film with an already boiling prejudicial bias, more so with the breed of films that Ninja Turtles will end up being. I genuinely think that’s wrong.

I mean, you’ve seen all the articles. How many of them have already declared Ninja Turtles to be the worst thing since the Black Death? People are already doing it. How many people have already decided that they’re going to hate this film no matter what? I find it sickening.

[pannoni1]

Jessica Biel as April O'Neil. Having Justin Timberlake as her fiance doesn't help matters either, and seeing her name on the poster is all hype and not heart. I prefer a second-tier actress that isn't well known but still has great talent in any case. It's been in the news as of late as well.

[gobo]

Where's this Timberlake nonsense coming from? O_O

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't see the movie if it's PG and/or if it just looks like Fred Wolf revisionist nostalgia porn.


I loved the first one too. Pretty sure the new one won't be as good, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Not going because of critic reviews is stupid. I read 'em too, I love 'em honestly, but it's just entertainment. Especially with stuff like TMNT, any super-hero or comic movie... the reviewers by and large are not "fans" of the property and can't see/appreciate things the same way others might.

Green Lantern is a good case in point. It definitely had flaws, many I agree with and all of which were beaten into people's skulls by critics, and in turn it killed any enthusiasm people had for the movie. But to me, as a huge GL fan for 20 years, who never thought they'd be able to do a GL flick and that if they did it would be cheap and horrible, I thought it was better than average and a movie more people may have enjoyed if they didn't listen so much to others' opinions. Could have been better, but it was 9/10 the GL movie I'd always wanted. If I listened to what other people said I would've missed out. It really deserved to do better, and it deserves the sequel they went to the trouble of laying multiple seeds for.

I'm a huge GL fan and own www.thegreenlanterncorps.com, so I was definitely looking forward to the movie. I didn't particularly like the movie, but no way does it deserve 99% of the flak it seems to get. At a certain point it seemed to be hip to ridicule the movie and people seemed to get a mob mentality about it, but it's not warranted.

And I agree a lot of people dislike the 2007 TMNT flick for what it didn't give. I thought what it gave us was "OK", there's not a ton actively "wrong" with it, but it wasn't the TMNT movie anybody wanted, which is kind of unfair to the people who made it, but less so when considering how vocal TMNT fans are about what we DO want in a movie. Almost feels like the makers went out of their way to give us "their" TMNT instead of what most people wanted, which is usually a good first step to pleasing no one.

I don't believe for one moment that the 2007 film was in any way exactly the movie that Munroe would have done if he'd been given full reign over the production. What we were "given" was a completely neutered toy vehicle for small children designed to be absolutely non-offensive to anyone, anywhere in the world.

[Leo656]

I like you again :lol: (J/K I never didn't)

I think GL would have been a lot better if only they'd taken out the Hammond stuff and had more action scenes instead, the Hammond stuff just looked too goofy to take seriously and undermined the drama and the weight of everything else going on. I'm betting it was a combination of budget concerns plus the need to make every comic book "not too dark" which led to GL not being all it could be. It's still one of my favorite super-hero flicks, but you're 100% right, it's a great example of a "mob hatred" flick that people gang up on and insist everyone hated for reasons which are hard to nail down. Like Superman Returns, which "everyone hated and was awful", despite the fact it made even more money than the near-universally praised Batman Begins. Ehh, what can ya do?

But anyway Andrew, Guy Gardner in a GL sequel? Your call? I say yes yes YES!

Back on-topic, totally agree, the last TMNT does look like a perfect example of Toy Company Interference and the PC Police conspiring together to wreck a project. Shame. Hopefully in a few years we'll be past the stigma that anything that looks even a little bit like a cartoon MUST be marketed to grade-schoolers.

[shuriken]

Hell I'd watch it even if the Shredder sounded like Sean Connery in a Darth Vader mask.

[gobo]

Justin Timberlake being involved...

[The Stryker]

JT would be an awesome Casey or Leo. I can even see him pulling off Michelangelo.

His roles in Social Network and especially Yogi Bear give me faith that he throws himself into roles.

[Broc Longstaff]

Hell I'd watch it even if the Shredder sounded like Sean Connery in a Darth Vader mask.

hahahahaha oh Bane.

[sgtfbomb]

Iif it looks like it will be on par with GI Joe: Rise of Cobra and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, I would probably see it, though I would be hesitant, and would probably wait to hear what the word is from people I trust. However, I think we are a ways off from even being able to tell what kind of film this will be. Until we see casting decisions and even trailers, all we have to judge by are the other big scifi/action movies that have come out the past several years and, of course, Lebeisman's other films.


I don't think JT would fit in Casey's shoes, but I could see him pulling Mikey. Maybe.. It's not that I don't think he's a good actor. On the contrary, I think he has proven himself, unlock many others who could end up in this film, but I'm just not convince he would fit.

[Victorsaurus]

I would watch it anyways because i'm a big fan and I really miss watchin turtles in the big screen.
Though I still have not watch the Dragon Ball Evolution movie and don't plan to even though I love DB.