could we get a microseries issue on Rockstady and Bebop-HEAR ME OUT!!

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Rockstaedy and Bebop... two morons from the OT that we know are coming back in the comic, and many fans are dreding, but does it have to be that way?

Okay, with all of the characters getting microseries issues, I think giving these two one would be a good idea. Why? If everybody only sees them as morons and comic relief, give us an issue that explores there backstory, and shows us thier more than just street punks.

Something like... well, when my friend (A HUGE TMNT fan) and I were discussing these two goofballs, and he thought it would be cool if, say, instead of a street thug, rocksteady was some kind of ex-mercenary (Based on his military fatigues and love of guns), and he thought Bebop reminded him of some tough Brazilian coperia master (don't ask me where he got that from, he knows more about that stuff that I do O_o) And he thought instead of two dumb new york street punkjs, you had two dangerous mercaneriaes, with heavy training, decent intelligence, and deadly skills....

...and then you mutated them into giant killing machines, with brawn and speed to match the intelligence and skills!

The mirco issue would explore thier backstory as humans, make us care about them as characters, before the are mutated, and take on four turtles who make the near-fatal mistake of thinking they are two dumb punks on first glance...

What does everbody else think?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Sounds like something I'd find pretty cool. It could be a bit cliche maybe but...the issue could open with them about to be mutated, then go into their backstory and how they met, then at the end they're mutated, and shown either mutated or just their mutant forms in shadow.

[MikeandRaph87]

I really like it. The two characters have a huge following so it only makes sense to not contain them within the first wave. The characters have the most untapped potential of all characters within the franchise. It would be good to separate them and them after doing so see how they work as individuals and then as a duo of stret punks turned mutants.

[corvus]

Most people are looking forward to them appearing. And they were already established as "dumb punks" in the raph micro.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Most people are looking forward to them appearing. And they were already established as "dumb punks" in the raph micro.

Were they? I thought that was part of the act of playing dumb, so Raph could 'save' Apolex, so she could earn his trust?

[Scud]

I like it, but then you would still need 2 more to round out a 4 issue TPB.

~S~

[thelouisguy]

I like it, but then you would still need 2 more to round out a 4 issue TPB.

~S~

You could give Old Hob an issue as well as Alopex to round out a mutant trade. Or if Bebop and Rocksteady get a single issue, Kraang could get a micro, or Stockman.

[CyberCubed]

Why do Bebop and Rocksteady need a backstory?

They're street punks who eventually fall in league with the Foot and then eventually get mutated. Shredder may not personally mutate then this time but that's all there is.

[MikeandRaph87]

Why do Bebop and Rocksteady need a backstory?

They're street punks who eventually fall in league with the Foot and then eventually get mutated. Shredder may not personally mutate then this time but that's all there is.

Then add more story for them! Give them a little individual personality and story. Its not too hard.

Panda Khan,you are right in that they were only playing Raphael so they could convince Raphael that Apolex was on his side. They did not show their full strenegth and ability since it was an act.

[Powder]

Who knows, they may get a shared mini-series issue, but I don't think it's all that likely, or necessary.

[CyberCubed]

The only backstory I want is where Bebop got the idea to have a purple mohawk.

[Andrew NDB]

I can think of few things I'd rather see less... yet I'm almost positive these will happen.

[Matches Malone]

Then add more story for them! Give them a little individual personality and story. Its not too hard.

Panda Khan,you are right in that they were only playing Raphael so they could convince Raphael that Apolex was on his side. They did not show their full strenegth and ability since it was an act.

I feel like there was a bit of a mixed message in that micro regarding how much of it was an act. Don't forget that at the end of micro, both of them were fuming about how they would have had the upper hand if they were a mutant too. Perhaps their defeat wasn't entirely an act? Or it was an act, but got a little more beat up than they expected?

[Genesis]

Most people are looking forward to them appearing. And they were already established as "dumb punks" in the raph micro.It'd be cool if they'd go on a psycho-animalistic rampage on a sort of intinctive level, before chilling out and becoming more bad-guy-ish again. I dunno.

[Scud]

It'd be cool if they'd go on a psycho-animalistic rampage on a sort of intinctive level, before chilling out and becoming more bad-guy-ish again. I dunno.

Oh I like this idea. Like being able to tap into that extra power, yet sacrificing something else in the process.
In the OT it always seemed to play out that they had taken dumb thugs and combined them with dumb animals. Which is fine for a comedic kids show.


~S~

[HotJuicyBurgers]

I thought most people were looking forward to this? In fact I remember some awfully fangirlish squealing happening on the boards when they had their cameo.

[FoxZerro]

I think they should be established as character's before we start dreaming of their micro-series. As it stands they were only hinted at even existing in this universe. There are a lot of other things I would like explored before these two show up. Though if they are going to be a part of the IDW, I would like to further explore the idea that Old Hob mentioned in the Thread about Old Hob... I want all of the mutants to come together and form a gang. Imagine them as a faction in City at War it would definitely add an interesting level.

Though even as I think about that I have to admit more mutants make the TMNT seems less special and it seems foolish that they would have to hide themselves from society.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I think they should be established as character's before we start dreaming of their micro-series. As it stands they were only hinted at even existing in this universe. There are a lot of other things I would like explored before these two show up. Though if they are going to be a part of the IDW, I would like to further explore the idea that Old Hob mentioned in the Thread about Old Hob... I want all of the mutants to come together and form a gang. Imagine them as a faction in City at War it would definitely add an interesting level.

Though even as I think about that I have to admit more mutants make the TMNT seems less special and it seems foolish that they would have to hide themselves from society.

I respectfully disagree with you on both points. First, it is not too soon to start thinking of them getting thier own micro series issue, as Fugitoid, a character who hasn't even appeared yet in this universe, is getting one.

Second, I also respectfully disagree on the second issue. In every other continuity with the turtles where they were trying to keep the number of mutants down, we've seen the fallback excuses of 'oh they're aliens' or 'oh, they're an acient race of anthros' to bring in wierd creatures the trurtles can relate to. If one is going to use the 'special' argument (Which I hate ) Then being born of the ooze or not born of the ooze is not going to make the turles special, when you've got an entire alien race of anthopomorphic triceritops running around!. :roll:

And as to the number of mutants, compare... maybe a few hundred born from stockgen and Shredder's experiments with the ooze, both good and bad, to six billion plus humans. With the human tendency to shun and hate anything that's differnt, who do you think is going to be in hiding? The turtles are still outcasts, numerically speaking.

[FoxZerro]

I don't remember ever saying that it was "too soon" I said that I would like them to appear as character's before we get a micro-series on them. I like the thought that you put into a whole backstory with them as Mercenaries, but unfortunately based upon their appearance in Raphael #1 that doesn't feel like to me a viable way for their story to go. If I had used the phrase "too soon" then I would have meant because we currently know that this next arc seems to be dealing with Casey's Father getting his comeuppance and the next arc involving a Blood Brother, which has been all but visually confirmed by other members in the Forums to be this universes Slash. We have a lot to look forward to already.

Regarding the Fugitoid he always gets special treatment in my mind regarding the TMNT. He was a fully designed character before the first issue of TMNT was published and his mini chapters were released as a full comic once Eastman and Laird decided to include him in the Turtle books. I have no problem with him just springing up because that's who the character has always been.

Finally in regard to the "special" argument maybe that's not the best way to describe it. Its more the quality of life. I remember in the Dirk Savage episode of the OT seeing that Giraffe Woman wearing a pink dress. I mean she just went out and bought that dress and has been living in the world. That to me says that the world is more accomidating to mutants than I think they would be. I mean so far besides April fainting when she met the Turtles everybody has kind of been alright with their existence. Heck even Old Hob was able to recruit a whole street gang despite being a mutant Cat. If their are a large amount of mutants it just seems that people would become more apt to accepting them in everyday society and the Turtles could go out and get jobs, and apartments, and credit cards. That's not the way I like to imagine their world.

[CyberCubed]

As long as they are in the same issue.

[The Moose]

I think making Bepop and Rocksteady serious right hand soldiers of Shredder is an awesome idea. I believe they have so much potential. The fact that they would be mutants created by Shredder and the Foot Clan would qualify them for high ranks of the Foot and not just lackeys as they are portrayed in the original cartoon. By making them imposing in size and actually smart, they'd give the Turtles a good fight.

I'd love to see a Micro-series on both Bepop and Rocksteady individually. Perhaps Rocksteady, having the military gear, did serve as a mercenary and he is highly trained in military tactics. Maybe Bepop, having more of a punkish style, could be a tenured Purple Dragon who rebelled and joined the Foot. Bebop's gang background would give him higher street skills in fighting and street smarts knowing New York City inside and out.

I do think that Bepop and Rocksteady are important in the TMNT history and it would be really cool to see some real character development of them in the IDW canon.

[thelouisguy]

Ex military and ex Purple Dragon?! That... makes a lot of sense. I want to see that.

I never liked them as goofs. If they were serious soldiers for Shredder, they could be awesome!

[CyberCubed]

I always did say Bebop and Rocksteady's gang in the original toon seemed to be loosely based off the Purple Dragons.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I think that they haven't shown back up again in the IDW series because Viacom/Nick is approving everything and they want to make sure that these two are more than just "pulled-off:" paradoxically, Rocksteady and Bebop are VERY hard to write.

[Matches Malone]

I always did say Bebop and Rocksteady's gang in the original toon seemed to be loosely based off the Purple Dragons.

I always thought so too. And while they are hardly triceratons, the presence of "other worldly" war factions such as Krang and rock soldiers always felt influenced by the Fugitoid/Triceraton/Fedration story arc. In season one, it seems there are definitely the Mirage influences, albeit extremely watered down.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I've got a feeling that General Krang is IDW's answer to Krang, the Evil Brain from Dimension X as well as General Blanque, leader of the Federation.

[Sword Slicin' Leo]

Would be a NO BRAINER for me to get.. would be awesome