All red masks baby!!!

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Who else here wishes they'd release some TMNT animation (Or some media outside the comics) where the Turtles have all red masks like in the Mirage comics?
It just looks cooler.

[GK Punk]

Who else here wishes they'd release some TMNT animation (Or some media outside the comics) where the Turtles have all red masks like in the Mirage comics?
It just looks cooler.

Definetley, that would be really cool.
I guess merchandicing would be more difficult, but eh oh well heh

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Well they'd have to work out something for the action figures since, The weapons are like guaranteed to get lost.

[GK Punk]

Well they'd have to work out something for the action figures since, The weapons are like guaranteed to get lost.

But you know, maybe the skin color could have been the key?
Or they could *cringes* Put their initial on their belt...

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Belts are guaranteed to get lost too. Skin color would be good though. as would tattoos.

[GK Punk]

Belts are guaranteed to get lost too. Skin color would be good though. as would tattoos.

or they could make it where the belts stay on, like they are permantley attached... but Skin color would be the best route. I want at the very least for them to release a Mirage toyline

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Great Idea! If the belts stay on then they really don't need the initials. The weapon compartments (Leo's scabbards, etc.), and the straps on Leo and Don.

[Kid Icarus]

That would be cool. Maybe make Mirage action figures, where they look exactally like the ones from the comics. Then they could include a little mini comic in the blister pack. but the new figs look pretty close, excluding the belts and the mask colors.

if they do that though, the figs should be really really flexable (like that one spiderman toy with a whole bunch of joints).

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Yeah, actually the originals were basically Mirage but with colored masks and initialed belts.

[Ninja Tiptup]

I'd love for Mirage to produce a gritty original comic style TMNT animated series for Adult Swim or the Sci-Fi Channel. They would definentilly all have red masks in that one.

But we can forget it as long as Mirage thinks that kids will like it. And they do...

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I could see that happening, actually.

[Karpo_007]

That would be a dream, but since TMNT was popular as a children's franchice, Networs's probably don't want to risk it. Maybe if the Hallmark miniseries is a asuuccess...

[InsaneZane]

Yeah, It does look awesome when they all wear the same color... It would actually, in my opinion be even better if they all wore blue... then of course the only way to tell them apart is there weapons.... which is definatly why they did that in the first place.

[Psycho Da Turtle]

I really dont see the need for the red bandannas on them all. Granted, yes, they all had them in the original Mirage comics. But a good deal of those comics were in black and white from what I remember, at least everyone of them I ever owned. The red looked good yes, but for me, it really doesnt change anything. When I go into a fit about the idea of Mirage figures, I take some old figures and customize them with a little paint and elbow greese, ya know?

[Aztec General]

While I am certainly pro-Mirage, the first movie and the new series have shown me that mulit-colored masks are fine as long as the characters, tone, story, and action are done correctly.

I'd also love to see a super gritty Mirage style TMNT animated show, but the FoxBox version (and the first movie) is doing a pretty damn good job of telling the more serious aspects of the Mirage storyline, but still having fun with it.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah, the color of the Bandanas isn't really that big deal. And I agree, New cartoon has the same formula that made first TMNT movie such a big success. It has succesfully combained deep characters and good story telling from Mirage, while adding humour. It worked in 1990, and does work very well now to.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Agreed, but still. Since I was a kid I've been wanting to see a fully animated all-red-mask TMNT. Perhaps an animated movie of city at war. Or maybe when they do the "Return to NY" episodes they could have the Turtles dawn special dark red "Dueling masks" for the battle with Shredder. That would make for an awesome ending to a Battle preparation montage!

[Karpo_007]

I think the colors were added because in fast action it would be hard to recognize who is who. But it would be cool to see.

[TheShredder]

I Gotta admit the the muti colored masked do look kind of corny. The problem with the Red masks is you can't tell them apart besides there weapons. I think a good way to do it would be skin color.

Leonardo - Light Green

Donatello - Oliver

Raphael - Dark Green

Michelangelo - Teal

With the skin color they don't have to wear there masks all the time to know who they are.

[SlayerX]

I Gotta admit the the muti colored masked do look kind of corny. The problem with the Red masks is you can't tell them apart besides there weapons. I think a good way to do it would be skin color.

Leonardo - Light Green

Donatello - Oliver

Raphael - Dark Green

Michelangelo - Teal

With the skin color they don't have to wear there masks all the time to know who they are.

Yea, but who wants to see naked turtles running around for 20 minutes :lol: :P

[Kali]

Yea, but who wants to see naked turtles running around for 20 minutes :lol: :P
*raises her hand* :evilgrin:

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I figured Kali would.

[GK Punk]

Yea, but who wants to see naked turtles running around for 20 minutes :lol: :P
*raises her hand* :evilgrin:

Did that really suprise anyone? :D

[Sparvid]

I Gotta admit the the muti colored masked do look kind of corny. The problem with the Red masks is you can't tell them apart besides there weapons. I think a good way to do it would be skin color.

Leonardo - Light Green

Donatello - Oliver

Raphael - Dark Green

Michelangelo - Teal

With the skin color they don't have to wear there masks all the time to know who they are.I agree. In the show you can seperate them with:
* Weapons
* Skin colors
* Voices

So it isn't that important to have different mask colors...

[Pidgeot018]

In the few Mirage comics I've read I couldn't tell the Turltes apart sometimes. Of course, it's in black and white, so the mask colors didn't matter anyways. I guess skin color could always be the way to go. On a side note, does anyone know what started the trand of different colored Turtle skin? I've always known the toys being usually colored like this:

Raphael: normal Green/Light Green
Leonardo: "Olive" Green
Michaelangelo: "Forest" Green
Donatello: Brownish-Green

I do have the Genesis game where you have the option to color them in Anime or Comic style with Comic style being the multi-colored version. Personally, I think either or is fine, I'm just curious as to where this trend started.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah there are times when you can't tell them apart. You need some dialogue to recognize them.

[Jephael]

Shh... you'll get the fangirls all excited.

[InsaneZane]

Raphael: normal Green/Light Green
Leonardo: "Olive" Green
Michaelangelo: "Forest" Green
Donatello: Brownish-Green

I thought ALL Turtle Fans knew that.
even though, they changed it a lil' bit for the knew cartoon.

Mikey usually was known to have the darkest skin, but now Raph does... if you see what I mean.

[HorseTechie]

Heh.. yeah. Raph's the dark green one, and Leo's the lighter green now.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

If they employed different skin colors, different shell colors and, different shell patterns. And, if they bothered to make sure that Leo has two thin straps on his belt, Don has one thick strap on his belt, Raph has metal "sai holders" on his belt and occasionally doesn't wear his mask. Then, different mask colors would be just plain redundant!

Also, the action figures can include their tattoos and the new cartoon could've had them each wear a small ribbon of their signature color somewhere on their belt.

I'll draw some fan art like this and you'll see what I mean.

[Sparvid]

On a side note, does anyone know what started the trand of different colored Turtle skin?Wasn't it the first toys?

[GK Punk]

Raphael: normal Green/Light Green
Leonardo: "Olive" Green
Michaelangelo: "Forest" Green
Donatello: Brownish-Green

I thought ALL Turtle Fans knew that.
even though, they changed it a lil' bit for the knew cartoon.

Mikey usually was known to have the darkest skin, but now Raph does... if you see what I mean.

Yeah I was under that impression as well...
Didn't Raph and Mike switch skin tones in the new series?

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Ok Here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/tetsudeinonychus/RedMaskBaby.jpg
I'm willing to bet that with all the variations used in this pic you can easily tell which one is which even with all the masks being red.
Also, here is what the shells look like:
http://www.geocities.com/tetsudeinonychus/ShellZ.jpg

With all the variations in the first pic plus these shells, plus Raph occasionally not wearing his mask, plus mike occasionally wearing shades, plus their tattoos maybe being added later, there is really no need for the multi-colored masks. :)

If these links don't work then delete ".jpg" from the address bar and hit "Go"

[Jephael]

Cool pic! The shoulder straps definitly help us tell Don and Leo apart from the group, but Mike and Raph have always been the trickiest. You really need to go by their facial expressions there.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

And Raph's metal sai holders. :wink:

[Ninja Tiptup]

I'm rather partial to the natural colored green that all the TMNT were in the original coloring of Mirage Volume 1 Issue 1. They all have red (brownish red acutally) but you can still tell them apart by characteristics.

I think that the different colored skins with the red masks don't look quite right. Nice designs though. Different shells would indicate that they are actually different species of turtles. Which would be interesting, but not as traditional as I would like.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

That wouldn't make them any less brothers. Splinter's not even a Turtle and He's their loving father-figure.

[InsaneZane]

tattoos arnt the turtles' style... they wouldnt do it

as far as straps:
Leo- double -X- straps
Don- suspender type -I I- straps
Raph- single slant -/- strap
Mike- none

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

They have Tattoos in recent issues of the Mirage comics.

[Dane E5R]

Raphael would not need a strap.

[Kali]

tattoos arnt the turtles' style... they wouldnt do it
They do have temp tattoos in the new comics, but only so the Utroms could tell them apart.

I don't think any of them have seriously thought about getting tattoos, but Raph might go for it. Depends on whether they could or not, really. Their skin might not even be "tattoo-able". They can scar, so I suppose that means tattooing's possible.

[Nickokapo]

Who else here wishes they'd release some TMNT animation (Or some media outside the comics) where the Turtles have all red masks like in the Mirage comics?
It just looks cooler.
I don't, then all the n00bs would be like "Hey, there's 4 raphs!"
So yeah...maybe they will in some other project but i wouldnt wish they'd do that in, say, something as mainstream as the toon, it'd probably cause confusion.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I'm rather partial to the natural colored green that all the TMNT were in the original coloring of Mirage Volume 1 Issue 1. They all have red (brownish red acutally) but you can still tell them apart by characteristics.

I think that the different colored skins with the red masks don't look quite right. Nice designs though. Different shells would indicate that they are actually different species of turtles. Which would be interesting, but not as traditional as I would like.
Actually, I agree with you. I've never had any trouble telling them apart, but if everyone bitches and whines and pisses and moans about not being able to tell them apart then I'd prefer different skin colors, mask lengths, and shells to mask colors.

I don't, then all the n00bs would be like "Hey, there's 4 raphs!"
I think they'd get the idea once each Turtle had different weapons, personalities, and voices. As soon as they noticed the Turtle with the katanas is still called Leonardo and is still the leader then they'd know it's Leo, red mask or blue.
Actually, I would have been less confused if the Mirage-based first movie used all red masks. Then, I'd go into the movie knowing it was more like the comic. The colored masks made me expect it to be based on the cartoon. I was pleasantly surprised that it was based on the comic but it'd be less confusing if they all had red masks.

[Nturtle]

I don't, then all the n00bs would be like "Hey, there's 4 raphs!"


Wait... there aren't!??! :o :P

I have a TMNT picture with all red masks posted on a door in my school, a lot of people ask why there are all red masks and such but they realize there is a diffrence in the turtles by their weapons. But if their weapons weren't out then it probably would cause some more confusion.
I like the diffrent color masks, it is easier too, because it allows for more angles that don't have the weapons in view, giving the director of the cartoon more room and flexibility.
Also when I talk to the non-turtle crazy heathens :P they usually go by either color or weapons to discriminate, but I find they use weapons more often.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Well you don't always have to reestablish who's who in every single shot. Usually, once it's established who's who in the story it's actually quite easy to tell them all apart. Even when there is no visual cue to help you.

[Nickokapo]

Well, with all those "where's krang, bebop & rocksteady" threads, i kind of assumed there'd be confusion regarding the turtles' mask colors too i guess.
Not to mention i had a mirage wallpaper once and one of my brother's friend said something like "they're all raphael!" :p
I guess people could adapt to the change, but i doubt it'll happen in the new toon, they're already wearing the color masks, i dunno about other projects.

[impetus]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this but in the orignal TMNT, the guys were purposely indistinguishable from each other, and the point was made and reinforced several times (even recently with the tattoo issue). The Image creators commented on this as the reason for maiming them all. I say this b/c the red head bands are a Mirage staple and so is the fact that they all look the same without their accessories. If you are going to have red headbands on them all, let's keep the Mirage theme and make them all the same color. If the skin color is going to be different then the headbands should not be "mirage style". Just my thougthts on keeping the continuities in check. *braces for flaming*

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Impetus makes a great point and I'd prefer if they did the whole Mirage thing with the same color scheme all around. I'm just saying that if you must differenciate, all red masks + Different skin colors, etc. Would be a better compromise than different mask colors.

And, Nicko I'm not so much talking about all red masks in the new cartoon per se, so much as I just want something, anything outside the comics where they keep the all red mask format. (But, I think they should have used the red masks for the new show)

[CoolWhip]

well, I know I must be the only one who thinks this - but I prefer the multi-coloured headbands.

*don't hit me!* :goofygri:

[Kali]

I like the colored masks, too. Not because I need them to tell the guys apart, but because I like the symbolism. The colors fit the guys' personalities so well, I can't seperate them. Even when I read the Mirage books, I "see" the different colors. But that's just me.

[Jephael]

You and me both, Kali. Even if I'm reading someone's Mirage fanfics, I can see them with their seperate colors on.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

But you Multicolored fans have had your TMNT animation for years now. I think it's high time we Red-mask fans had our turn now. :wink:

[Raven]

oh my god a club for those who like color mask and and those who like red masks

must sneak out before any one sucks me into this madness

YOUR ALL CRAZY

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Welcome to internet fandom Major Pain.
There's a faction for EVERYTHING! :lol: :lol:

[Raven]

Welcome to internet fandom Major Pain.
There's a faction for EVERYTHING! :lol: :lol:

uh man I need a girlfriend this is to much!!!!!!!!!!!!

talk about red multi colored masks aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
why not spend my time with a girl and hear her annoying comments instead of masks?

well im off for a year long search for the right girl mabey I be back sooner but no im off :o

[Jephael]

I wonder which is relatively more pathetic: the argument over bandana colors or Major Pain whining that he doesn't have a girlfriend.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Our debate over the masks is appropriate in this thread. But, If I called Major Pain pathetic for whining about his love-life, I'd be a hypocrite. There's a whole thread in Gen Dis that sprang up from me whining about such things. :lol:

Besides, It's not like were at each other's throats about the mask colors. we're just stating our preferences and reasons.

[impetus]

But you Multicolored fans have had your TMNT animation for years now. I think it's high time we Red-mask fans had our turn now. :wink:nuff said! :D

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

YEAH! :D

[Raven]

I wonder which is relatively more pathetic: the argument over bandana colors or Major Pain whining that he doesn't have a girlfriend.

im pretty sure its me

any way I'll tell you guys if I sucseed in any form of getting a girlfriend (like any one cares) now off for my evil plan to corup some girls mind bwhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[impetus]

T_D -

If my stop motion action figure project gets off the ground, we shall have our dream realized.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

HAZZAH!

[Cascadia]

I think that Playmates could make anniversary TMNT figures....each one can have their respective colors that they have now. But each of them has a red mask on. Just a thought. :)

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Could be good.

[Voltron]

No! Because that would be a good idea, and I swear people get fired for having good ideas.