Spider-Man To Relaunch After Issue 700

[ZariusTwo]

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/118008-marvel-comics-full-monthly-solicitations-for-december-2012.html

...1999 all over again.

The solits seem to indicate that Slott is doing his own version of 2011's "Death of Spider-Man", only with Doc Ock as the lead bad guy. I'd be all over how unoriginal this was if I hadnt thought the whole thing out and realized this actually makes sense if you consider "DOSM", "Spider-Men" and this as one big story about facing mortality.

[Galactus]

Well at least with this it'd be easy as pie to keep track of the original numbering with #1 really being #701 and so on.

Killing Peter seems too easy for Slott and even though I don't mind the idea of following another Spider-Man for a year or so (I'm a Ben Reilly fan) I'm not fond of Alpha so far who I presume will take over.

Speaking of the 1999 relaunch Howard Mackie used a lot of the ideas that Slott has been using but at the time people hated it but now these ideas are loved. What was weird is that clearly Mackie set out for Peter to lose his job at Tricorp and for Mary Jane's money bubble to burst and for Peter to fall big, one of the few times he seemed to be planning ahead with his work but the initial reaction from fans caused him to put that into affect so suddenly that it was jarring and all the stories he obviously planned went down the drain.

I suppose Slott has implemented these ideas much better and has the benefit of knowing his Spidey history and that the fans were ready for something different when he came aboard but there's something a bit off about it. I'd always wanted Peter to have a job like what he has at Horizon were he can really use the tools to better himself as Spider-Man and for his baddies to get a bit more respect in what they can accomplish but it all seems like overkill. There's been nothing but this since Slott started.

I think that's a problem with both eras. They are defined by one guy who has complete control over all the solo ongoing Spider-Man books. If your a fan of their work that's great but if you're not then you few other options for a bit of variety in your Spider-Man.

[ZariusTwo]

If your a fan of their work that's great but if you're not then you few other options for a bit of variety in your Spider-Man.


Very true. I know Slott has his fans (and I love the guy on other books like She-Hulk and the Spidey/Human Torch mini-series), but his work on ASM just doesnt sit well with me, and a few Spidey sites I frequent (including one of the major ones, Spider-Man Crawlspace) do nothing but rate his books as mediocre or bad. Not sure if that's fuelled by objectivity or their personal favouratism for a married Spidey (as Crawlspace is very anti-OMD), but the books don't excel in their eyes.

Slott can't take criticism very well either, as he ended up leaving those sites when people there got too vocal about his work (and, even worse, Steven Wacker got himself BANNED from the Crawlspace for TROLLING of all things), so they stay on Echo Chambers like CBR where their butts are kissed all the time by fans.

I think my main problem is that Peter being a high-tech whiz-kid seems "too accomplished" for him. Worse still is, like you said, the inevitable "big fall" will come and the next thing you know he's back to being a photographer or something lower, and noone in the world brings up his previous work stint again (unless the writer is a continuity freak), so I can't possibly be invested in it. It's a short-term deal because it's so different from how the everyman views Peter, they want him in occupations that are more "grounded" like photography, or, as Tom DeFalco brillaintly utilized for Peter's post-Spidey occupation in the Spider-Girl books, something like Police work.

Hell I'm still waiting for Marvel to remember Peter was once a guest on Johnny Carson (and BOY would that go a long way to aging him, which is a no-no with this company).

As for variety, the only Spider-Man I read these days is the newspaper strip, where he's still married, still a photographer, still relatable, and still very entertaining.

[Lampy]

aww..nthere goes marvel's chances of grabbing the record for the longest running comic book series away from DC's Action comics.

[Fugitoid Jones]

Anyone wanna take a guess as to how long it takes Marvel before they revert back to the old numbering scheme?



Marvel restarting all their titles back to number 1's but keeping the same continuity is such bull----. Especially with books like Uncanny X-Men and Incredible Hulk, which were both rebooted like a year ago. At least DC has the nuts to restart all their books with brand new continuity (for the most part).

[Lampy]

Anyone wanna take a guess as to how long it takes Marvel before they revert back to the old numbering scheme?

Marvel restarting all their titles back to number 1's but keeping the same continuity is such bull----. Especially with books like Uncanny X-Men and Incredible Hulk, which were both rebooted like a year ago. At least DC has the nuts to restart all their books with brand new continuity (for the most part).

i agree. renumbering and not restarting sounds kinda stupid.
hmmm... i'll give it 10 issues after the renumbering. so 10 months.:D

[Zulithe]

marvel is really grasping at straws when it comes to titling and numbering its books, constantly changing it up in an attempt to boost sales

not only frequently relaunching with #1s but changing book titles without renumbering them. incredible hulk renamed to... incredible hercules? daredevil changed into a black panther book, and i can't even figure out wtf "captain america and bucky" has turned into since it changes its title every month.

then there's the point one issues :|

I really hope they do not replace peter with miles... bendis you are ruining everything

[Fugitoid Jones]

Don't forget canceling Fantastic Four so it can become FF, only to bring back Fantastic Four again....

[MrPliggins]

I'm just getting back into comics after years away and I'm pretty confused by the numbering of the Hulk series. There's Incredible Hulk renamed to Hercules, IH was cancelled earlier and relaunched as plain Hulk, but apparently when IH came back, Hulk continued. Then there was a Red Hulk series. Now it seems there's a new IH series. Still confused.
As for Spider-man, I'm a little late to the party as I just read OMD (ugh, worst cop-out ending ever) and started reading Brand New Day. But it's a lot easier to keep track of numbering-wise. As for a relaunch, it seems inevitable when you want to keep the characters young and relevant. It's already happened multiple times in the DC universe, so unless they want to keep aging Peter, something's gotta give. That being said, it would be nice to continue the numbering, but oh well.

[Fugitoid Jones]

As for a relaunch, it seems inevitable when you want to keep the characters young and relevant. It's already happened multiple times in the DC universe, so unless they want to keep aging Peter, something's gotta give. That being said, it would be nice to continue the numbering, but oh well.

As I've stated before, the problem with Marvel's relaunchs is that they keep the same old continuity, it's not really much of a jumping on point for most people. If Marvel was going to make their characters young and relevant again, they would have to start over and wipe the slate clean with their continuity, but they won't do that, they just keep introducing new #1's as a gimmick to spike sales.

[Zulithe]

I love what DC did with The New 52 relaunch. A lot of fans were ticked off but now that things are settling I feel most of the books are better than they have been in years. It feels very fresh even 13 issues in and i'm more excited about the books than ever before.

I wish Marvel had the balls to do this.

[Fugitoid Jones]

I love what DC did with The New 52 relaunch. A lot of fans were ticked off but now that things are settling I feel most of the books are better than they have been in years. It feels very fresh even 13 issues in and i'm more excited about the books than ever before.


I totally agree with you. Alot of long time DC fans are up in arms over the DC reboot, but I honestly really like it cause soo many of their books had been pretty disappointing these past several years. Grant Morrison had been stinking up Batman for quite some time, Superman went from bad (the World of New Krypton crossover) to worse (JMS' year long story involving Superman walking...and walking), a lackluster JLA roster, and lots of other stuff that wasn't Geoff Johns' Green Lantern was sucking and had been for a while.

But now, most of the Batman books have been good, Superman has been good (well Action Comics has at least), The Flash, Green Lantern, JLA...hell, even Aquaman has been really enjoyable!

[Leo656]

It mostly breaks down like this: (Sorry for not being 100% relevant to this specific thread)

People who've been reading DC for 30-odd years or more, like me, are pissed, because despite a few missteps (not disagreeing at all about the post-Infinite Crisis Superman misfires), what was *mostly* a decent and well established Universe, built and expanded through decades of intricate storytelling, was sh*tcanned and replaced with characters and storylines we barely recognize and find either heavy-handed or hard to swallow. A lot of it reads like really cheesy fanfic, mostly written by people who sit around going "Y'know what makes Superman dumb? He wears underpants outside his tights. Let's fix that so he'll be 'hip' and 'cool'!" Or, "Y'know what was wrong with Starfire? She wasn't a big enough slut. Instead of just making her a naive free spirit, let's just make her a giant f*cking whore. Then it'll be PERFECT."

People who always preferred Marvel or never cared about DC much to begin with, they're thrilled, because now DC is doing all the same exact things with their characters that Marvel does when they're in a rut: Erase pesky continuity, get 'em dark, gritty, and half-naked, get 'em all either screwing each other or hating each other (regardless of how we historically know the characters to interact), give 'em all new "armor" suits, and call it "fresh" and "hip. instead of "nonsensical", "contrived", or "pointless overkill."

Some of DC's stuff post-Final Crisis wasn't hitting the mark, no. But what they've done and continue to do is like trying to swat a fly with a bazooka. It's NOT the DCU, it's just the Marvel U featuring analogs of DC characters. I liked Supreme Power. I liked it more because the guys weren't actually "Superman" and "Batman".

[CyberCubed]

They just need to end the current universe and reboot everything.

Whenever a new Batman or Spiderman cartoon comes on TV, its a reboot that restarts everything from square one. I always wondered why the comics didn't do the same?

Comics should have a shelf-life of 10-15 years, after that most of the original audience is gone and has moved on and they should reboot everything for new fans. That way older fans also get "Closure" and see how the universe they followed ends, and see endings for their characters rather than being retconned and dragged out forever.

In a way its the same with TMNT. After Volume 4 is concluded, I am perfectly content with the Mirage universe being "over." It lasted 26 years and ran its course.

[ZariusTwo]

The first thing Quesada should have done when he took over was to close out the existing 616 storylines and establish the Ultimate Universe as the main line, instead of trying to juggle all the eggs in one basket. Instead, the Ultimate line was allowed to spiral out of control to the point noone cares about it anymore, and only Bendis keeps it from being niche thanks to his work on USM.

For many, the MC2 Universe is where a lot of Marvel stories were effectivly concluded, and Quesada being a fan of the Spider-Girl books means it was spared a depressing climax when the axe finally fell on it in 2010 (I suspect this had more to do with Quesada's eventual departure as EIC and not sales) so Peter Parker got his happy ending with MJ. It's a shame however that stubborn change-fearing comic fans will probably not accept it as the natural continuation of their heroes lives even when that universe makes far more sense than 616.

[Leo656]

Cubed, all I can really offer is that comics aren't the same as TV or movies, the storytelling is a lot more decompressed, and if things are done well, a total "do-over" every 10 years shouldn't be necessary. And to be real, movies and TV shows do NOT exactly go back to Square One with each new iteration of the same old characters, they tell 90-99% the same exact stories that are done in every other medium, they just fudge dates, clothes, and a few sequential events.

If they did that in comics it'd be awful; it takes 6 to 12 issues (usually also meaning 6 to 12 months) to tell any decent story. So each character would only get to have 10-15 real story arcs before everyone's continuity was re-set and they start from scratch again? That's an awful, awful idea, I'm sorry. TV shows and movies have a built-in expiration date, because actors get older and technology changes, so viewers demand different things. In comics, if the writer does their job, a Superman or Spider-Man story told in a 1970 issue should be just as relevant, both socially and in regards to the character's continuity, as a story told in 2012.

The only reason comic reboots happen as often as they do is that editors get impatient looking for the "next big story", and they force writers to do stories or projects that don't make sense for the characters involved., Like Lana Lang pretty much abandoning her child so she can throw herself at Clark one last time despite him being married, for one example, just because they thought the Lois and Clark marriage needed a "shake-up". It was a lazy excuse to tell a bad story that no one asked for, and it went against a lot of established character history and behavior all around. Not one of the best-remembered Superman arcs from the last 10 years, because it came off as forced and unnecessary.

Also sometimes these retcon/reboots happen just because artists get bored and suddenly everyone needs a new costume and it has to have a "reason". Or like New 52, it's a little of both. I'm GLAD they don't restart everything every 15 years, it'd be even harder to keep track of things than it is now. Comics just don't tell stories the same way as TV shows, it's a similar yet entirely different kind of storytelling.

[Ninjinister]

Word on the street is that the new Spidey is

Miguel O'Hara

wat

[Andrew NDB]

The first thing Quesada should have done when he took over was to close out the existing 616 storylines and establish the Ultimate Universe as the main line, instead of trying to juggle all the eggs in one basket. Instead, the Ultimate line was allowed to spiral out of control to the point noone cares about it anymore, and only Bendis keeps it from being niche thanks to his work on USM.

Horrible idea. The fundamental problem with things like Ultimates lines (or the New 52) is that eventually, no matter what, at a certain point it will become the very thing it was created not to be... burdened with its own continuity.

They're fun for short term "what if?" thrills, nothing more. If attempted to be used as an end-all, be-all bandaid, it's both fundamentally impossibly and it just sets a horrible, horrible precedent to readers and readership confidence ("If we think there's too much continuity, we're just gonna reboot your books again... stay tuned!").

[ZariusTwo]

Word on the street is that the new Spidey is

Miguel O'Hara

wat

Which version though? There's been as many alternate universe versions of that character as there's been of Peter.

Oddly enough, one version of O'Hara (the one from Exiles) once shacked up with Gwen Stacy, and solits reveal this one is expected to woo MJ...I wish Marvel would remember Miguel had unique love interests of his own and were pretty interesting ones at that, no need to move in on Pete's territory, that seems mainly to troll fans. Ah well, not that it matters, MJ is still Peter's girl in MC2 and the newspaper strip, and they make more sense than 616)

[ZariusTwo]

Just skimmed through the latest issue of ASM, which began the final arc leading into 700
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/325/0/4/my_reaction_to_amazing_spider_man__698_by_zt4-d5lolt2.png)
I’m all for “new” and “different” stories, but there are some that you just don’t tell, at least not with certain characters. Doc Ock is one of them. I’m sure some of you will remember the classic story from the Clone Saga era called “Web of Death” where Doc Ock discovers Peter Parker is Spider-Man (not for the first time, as he unmasked him back in the 60s but convinced himself that Peter wasn’t Spidey due to Peter being ill and in no state to fight him at the time) and works feverishly on a means of saving his life from a fatal virus Peter has been infected with in the previous story “Back From The Edge”. Octopus’s motivation for this was that he found Peter to be his equal and wanted to content himself with having a merry dance against Spidey “forever”. Of course, Kaine promptly kills him before we see anything of this interesting new development, and by the time he’s resurrected by The Hand a few years later, he’s left with no memory of Peter’s true identity, just a burning vindictive hate of Spidey, which is understandable, but heaven knows what their relationship would have been like if Otto had retained his memories. I suspect it’d have been a bit more personal, and a lot more fun. It would have made Otto a more well-rounded character, it may even have made him a little lighter and helped heal his psychological wounds. Sadly, optimistic character development such as this is what ultimately made Marvel chicken out of that with The Sandman and reduced him to a generic psycho heavy again…can’t give these guys a break can you Marvel?

So somehow Octopus has traded his mind for Peters and is now inhabiting his body, the first question that comes to mind is “If Octavius values Peter Parker as an equal he can have fun with, why is he condemning him to this sort of fate? Why is he leaving him to die?”

Another question stems from Octopus’ long-documented affection for Aunt May, if he cares so much for May, why would he subject her nephew to this type of torture? It makes no sense.

Now, if this were, say, Norman Osborn, that would be completely reasonable, frightening, and more importantly, in-character given his history of manipulating Peter at every turn, but rolly polly psycho but fun Otto Octavious suddenly acting like this? What next? The Living Brain as part of the Sinister Six? (wink wink, nudge nudge)

It also means the most important women in Peter’s life, two women who know him inside and out and who can SENSE when something is off, Aunt May and Mary Jane, are going to be made out to be idiots. Aunt May once figured out the robots impersonating Peter’s parents were phonies, and Mary Jane on several occasions, has worked out that someone is impersonating the man she loves. Otto’s disguise shouldn’t be able to work even if he’s armed with Peter’s memories, and I hope Slott remembers this before these events damage those characters beyond repair.

But I don’t care, really I don’t. As I’ve said before, 616 is just an alternate continuity, it’s not the real one, it’s too ridiculous to be. The real continuity is a choice between the MC2 Universe, the home of a happily married Peter and MJ as well as their two kids, one of whom is Spider-Girl, or the newspaper strip by Stan Lee, where Peter and MJ are also married and where none of these events have occurred. It’s nice to know there are options out there for fans tired of Marvel’s latest brain-dead and creatively bankrupt attempts to be “new” and “different” by making their characters look like retards and psychologically breaking some of the best female characters in comics like Mary Jane/. I hope you’re proud of yourselves, and I hope the docile little trailer park thrash that like this book get all they deserve coming to them. They need all the plebs they can get.

[ZariusTwo]

Just read Issue 699.


Peter has Ock's memories, and can't stop thinking about Otto having sex with May from the time they were together

I feel so vindicated in my beleifs. Thank god for the newspaper strip.

[Blossombrooks]

Just read Issue 699.


Peter has Ock's memories, and can't stop thinking about Otto having sex with May from the time they were together

I feel so vindicated in my beleifs. Thank god for the newspaper strip.

:teek: Please be kidding about that spoiler?! *shudders* I'm not surprised though unfortunately. I sort of enjoyed the 'No turning back' arc but I really don't care for the way Peter is drawn or portrayed of late. My sister lives near a comic book shop and sends me the latest issues but I got to #696 and told her not to bother getting me the next ones. I've never said that about ASM before! Roll on the reboot.

[ZariusTwo]

Issue 700 spoilers have leaked. I've heard a lot of interesting theories on where this is going, but I'll leave the essentials


Peter breaks out of prison with a few supervillians (why Peter would even allow this is is your first clue something is up) and he rounds up his friends and family and makes preperations to transfer his mind back into his own body, however, Ock has taken special precautions to prevent this. After a feirce battle with Peter's cronies, Ock confronts Peter, and they have a conversation that ends in Peter essentially transferring the remnants of his memories to Ock as his body fails him, tells him to do what is right, and subcumbs to his injuries and dies. Ock realizes Peter had always held back the full extent of his powers and pulls no punches dealing with a brute of a monster, gaining respect even from Jameson. Ock vows to be better than Peter ever was, and from now on, he will be a Superior Spider-Man

So...yeah, to the casual reader, this is a big f-u to Peter and his world, but if you think a little more about it, this mess can be salvaged

Basicly, it's being left open to interpretation as to whether or not this is truly Ock in Peter's body, or if it has always been the Peter we all know and love merly THINKING he is Doc Ock, and that the real Doc Ock has died beleiving he was Peter, which would go a long way to explaining why he even sided with the villians in this story, as the real, more responsible and level-headed Peter wouldnt dream of that in a million years.

This also opens up the possibliy of a return for Ock in the future...as Peter, is carrying Ock's memories and brain patterns in conjunction with his own, there could eventually be a story where he tries to "rid" himself of these aspects so he can truly become Peter Parker, and somehow (probably with the aid of the Jackal and his cloning techniques), everything that makes Ock who he is will be transfered into another host body.

That's what I'm getting out of this anyway. I'm probably giving Slott way too much credit, this seems too clever even for him.

[Scotty TuffGuy1979]

I have been collecting amazing Spider-Man for years I have completed all issues of amazing Spider-Man series, so I have been a loyal Spider-Man fan, I am not continuing to collect after the re boot,

[Ninjinister]

I (and probably many others) have been calling that the new one would be

Otto

since 698.

[ZariusTwo]

I (and probably many others) have been calling that the new one would be

Otto

since 698.

I'll go one better, I and others were predicting that since at least September

[Ninjinister]

I'll go one better, I and others were predicting that since at least September

Well considering I don't actively read Spidey (and in fact never even read 698 or 699), I think I did well enough.

[oldmanwinters]

Some of DC's stuff post-Final Crisis wasn't hitting the mark, no. But what they've done and continue to do is like trying to swat a fly with a bazooka. It's NOT the DCU, it's just the Marvel U featuring analogs of DC characters.

I don't read the modern "Big Two" comics, but I do appreciate your analysis of the trend.

Made me think of this promotional stunt too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Imagine...

[ZariusTwo]

I don't read the modern "Big Two" comics, but I do appreciate your analysis of the trend.

Made me think of this promotional stunt too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Imagine...

I've got a few of them. Always enjoyed them. Stan's quite underrated these days, even if his style of writing hasnt changed since the 70s.

[Leo656]

Thanks boss, I just spend way too much time reading, thinking and talking about comics compared to most people. :lol:

I picked up a few of those DC/Stan Lee "Just Imagine" books, they were OK. I keep meaning to go back and collect the ones I missed. Neat idea. I'm of the opinion that anything's worth at least a try.

[ZariusTwo]

And now Dan Slott is getting death threats. Ugh. I'm not one to shower praise on the guy's work on this book either, but there is NO excuse for this.

[MikeandRaph87]

I just read ASM#700.......So Peter failed to switch back in time and now Otto Ocativius is reformed and now living the life of Peter Parker? I only picked it up because it was Peter Parker vs Otto Octivius but you loyal reader probably saw this coming. My question is how long with this bizarre twist last?

[ZariusTwo]

Likley around the time the second of the rebooted Spider-Man movies comes out.

In the meantime, the daily newspaper stirp will still feature Peter as Spidey, so it doesnt really matter...

[MikeandRaph87]

Likley around the time the second of the rebooted Spider-Man movies comes out.

In the meantime, the daily newspaper stirp will still feature Peter as Spidey, so it doesnt really matter...

Yeah, and he is still married to Mary Jane in the strip too!:D I am of the belief as said above its merely Peter thinking he is Otto as the story hints at his becoming Otto in Octopus's body. It might take his attempt to purge the Doc Ock left in him for the truth to come out.

[ZariusTwo]

Agreed.

It's hinted that annoying b*tch Carlie will work out something is wrong (since Ock tells her what's happened in the issue), and try to prove Ock is influencing Peter, making her more of an irritant than usual, she'll be like the guys from the "Chicken Boo" shorts on Animaniacs pointing out to the crowd there's a big fat phony in their midst. I hope that isnt Marvel's intention, I like to think people who've known Peter for a lifetime are capable of sniffing things out than someone who's only known him a few months in comic time.

[MikeandRaph87]

If my shared theory is incorrect a second and perhaps alternative theory could be,the soul particle separater that was used successfully on both Sandman and Hyrdo-Man. That could be the key to Peter's salvation of purging the Octopus out of him! Carlie and MJ can get a little help from Team Horizon and then before long Peter Parker is restored! Perhaps in Superior Spider-Man#12?

[Oculus Orbus]

I feel like the fact that everyone is speculating about how and when will Peter Parker be back really means a lot about the kind of companies Marvel and DC have become. They really wiped out all sense of wonder mainstream comics once had. I'm still quite young myself, so I've always known them more or less like this, but when you read the stuff they were making in the 60s and 70s you actually believe that the guys were trying to create good stories. Now it mostly seems like simple marketing. Of course there's still plenty of things worth reading, but putting Octopus inside Peter's body? What's the point, really?

Sorry about the rant, I just really miss the old days, before the larger-than-life sagas took over.

[CyberCubed]

I just find it funny that they killed off two Peter Parker's in two different universes within the span of a year.

[ZariusTwo]

I just find it funny that they killed off two Peter Parker's in two different universes within the span of a year.

They have this werid idea how Peter's story can only end on a tragic level.

It almost extended even to his daughter. There were plans to kill off Spider-Girl in 2006 when her book was ending, but it's writer Tom DeFalco and the fanbase raged, and Quesada changed his mind, with the book going through a few relaunches and only properly ending around the time he departed as EIC (in the final story in 2010, Spider-Girl BREIFLY dies, but is ressurected through time-travel and lives to fight another day)

[ZariusTwo]

Superior Spider-Man leaked.

Peter isnt dead, he's tucked away somewhere in Ock's mind acting as his conscience

[MikeandRaph87]

Superior Spider-Man leaked.

Peter isnt dead, he's tucked away somewhere in Ock's mind acting as his conscience

So its a Firestorm set up only both are intellectuals but the consciousness is good and the body control is corrupt.This is weird even for Spideer-man!

[ZariusTwo]

Apparently Ock is going to get Peter fired from The Avengers in a storyline in April.

Thank god. Spidey being an avenger did nothing for the character or the book and took away from his relatability as an everyman.

Whilst I welcome this, it sadly does seem to indicate the Avengers are going to be made out to look like morons for not being able to sense when something is up with Spidey, who many of them (particulary Cap based off Maximum Carnage and Spider-Island) know him to be a well-rounded, well-meaning guy despite his flaws...but then, this is likely the same mentality that's going to make MJ, Aunt May and everyone else who knows Peter on a personal and intimate level look like morons as well. That's about the only drawback about this development: Everyone HAS to be an idiot to make it remotely work.

And Ock staring at MJ's tits in Issue One of Superior turned me off this story for good. Ock may be a meglomaniac, but he isnt a f*cking pervert.

[CyberCubed]

So after this arc ends are they going to keep the "Superior" Spiderman title or go back to the old one, and release issue #701 for example?

[MikeandRaph87]

So after this arc ends are they going to keep the "Superior" Spiderman title or go back to the old one, and release issue #701 for example?

Its truely a guessing game at this point early on in the storyline,Cubed. I theorize it will play out in 12 months. I may be right or may be wrong. I point out that we all knew Johnny Storm would come back and he did in 12 months. FF was released in place of Fantsitic Four#689-#699. Johnny having apparently died one issue before the "relaunch". The FF title was advertised as an ongoing but was a 12 issue maxi that took the place of Fantsic Four as a title. It could be a similar format or not.

This reminds me a bit of the Final Crisis bit with Batman. Tommy Elliot posed as Bruce Wayne during the time Batman was thought dead in the super hero community. Otto is posing as Peter AND Spider-Man while the world thinks Otto is dead as dead can be when he is not. Maybe its a stretch but I thought it worth compare and contrast.

[MikeandRaph87]

Jester and Gobo anyone?
http://www.comicvine.com/news/first-look-superior-spider-man-6/146091/

Its seems the Masacre plot will take two issues. Where does The Green Goblin fit in if he is not in #5 or #6 yet was teased at the end of #4?

[ZariusTwo]

What was the point of bringing back Ashely Kafka just to kill her off? She played a pretty big role under the JMD days (y'know, back when people who actually CARED worked on Spider-Man), and could easily have contributed something again

[Venom]

I've been casually following Superior since it started, and I like Otto cavorting around as Peter!

Although Wacker's said the plan is to keep Dr. Spider-man around, everyone knows at some point Peter will regain control of his body and somehow Otto will transfer back into his (who knows, maybe the Jackal regrows his body), but for now I'm enjoying the ride.

It's different. :D

I liked how Otto was exasperated when he learned Peter was not a doctor! I also enjoy how he has to hold back and repress his villainous tendencies; thought the bit in this last Avenging Spider-man where he recognizes the kid will become a villain, when he leans in and apparently scares the kid straight was a neat moment.

Another interesting facet that may or may not be visited is Otto deduces Flash is Venom. In the latest Venom, Flash has relocated to Philly and mentions something like "even Parker's stopped returning my calls", which is a subtle connection to the two.

For now, Superior is how I've wanted Spidey to be for years, even down to the black/red costume. It's nice to see "Parker" gain some confidence and using his intellect.

[ZariusTwo]

I frankly enjoy Yost's take on Ock as Spidey in Avenging Spider-Man more than Slott's output. Slott has been a garbage writer where this character is concerned and he's made everyone on Peter's side look prepostrously stupid, it's killed the effectiveness of the gimmick storyline for me, and Ock is grossly out-of-character too.

Like I've said on other forums, read a Spidey book from the 80s or 90s and read one now and the older stuff just pisses all over the current product, even the Clone Saga stories are better than Superior.

I don't get why anyone thinks Superior is "good", it's not "different", it's the same old regurgitated "I am the Spider" badass nonsense from the 90s only with someone else taking the bad publicity instead of Peter. Nothing new at all.

All it's doing right now is distracting everyone from a real issue Marvel are facing: The fact even THEY are bored telling Peter Parker stories. When Peter takes over again, something REALLY different needs to be done with the character, and not repeat the same old "Parker Luck" beats time and again.

I suppose I'm just looking forward to the day someone from my neck of the woods takes over Marvel and brings not just the marraige back, but the kid Peter and MJ lost too. THAT is what I would definatly call "different"

Really, the superior product for the last few years has been the newspaper strip. It's old-school, it's hoakey but a lot of fun, Peter's still married there, and you don't need ludicrous elongated gimmick storylines to sustain anyone's interest. It's REAL Spider-Man.

[MikeandRaph87]

I thought I would give it a ashot and ask this over in a Marvel related thread and I thought someone here would know about the two Spider-Man books I am interested in...

I just saw this cover and I had to ask,what is this about?
http://www.dcindexes.com/features/datab ... c&id=46959

Also, I am a fan of Seth Meyers and was wondering if this was any good? I only just learned of it.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Spider-Man:_Sho ... en_Vol_1_1

[Ninjinister]

I thought I would give it a ashot and ask this over in a Marvel related thread and I thought someone here would know about the two Spider-Man books I am interested in...

I just saw this cover and I had to ask,what is this about?
http://www.dcindexes.com/features/datab ... c&id=46959

Also, I am a fan of Seth Meyers and was wondering if this was any good? I only just learned of it.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Spider-Man:_Sho ... en_Vol_1_1

Links are broken, dawg.

[MikeandRaph87]

Links are broken, dawg.

No big deal. I got the info I needed on another site. I picked them up yesterday at the Heroes Con.

I was inquiring about Spider-Man:The Short Halloween and Spectacular Spider-Man#112.