Who wants Birdo in the next Super Smash Bros game?

[Toonami Tom]

I think Birdo would be a good addition to the next Super Smash Bros game. We have Yoshi, so I think she should be in there too. One of the main attacks would be the egg throw (spit) she does in Super Mario Bros 2 on Nintendo Entertainment System. Maybe also give her a vacuum power move, kind of like Kirby, and a ground pound like Yoshi. There could also be a fireball instead of an egg as another attack for her. For alternate costumes, there could be a blue Birdo and an orange Birdo.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Birdo could be fun. It would even be cool if they made a nod to the fact Birdo started out as a guy.

[Toonami Tom]

Yeah, I think that is mentioned on Birdo's trophy in a Super Smash Bros game. It depends on which Birdo though, as it is my understanding that Birdo is a species like Yoshi, so there could be male and female Birdo. I have no idea why they would even make Birdo a guy in the first place, I guess just to mess with people, or to make a joke. I don't know, lol. Now, I wonder if all the Goombas are male, or the Koopa Troopas.

Also, the sprite of Birdo from Super Mario Bros 2 looks more male, since the eyelashes are not visible. Later Birdo characters have the eyelashes visible.

Another confusing part is that Birdo spits eggs, something that only a female should have. Then again, Yoshi also has eggs. All Yoshi that I have seen seem to be male.

Also, I guess the eyelashes wouldn't be a clue that a character is female, as SpongeBob Square Pants has eyelashes.

Interesting topic and the egg spitting Brido does reminds me of the Namekians from DragonBall.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Birdo started out as a male character. He is the first "transgender" video character, or one of the first. He was even stated to have a relationship with Yoshi. It wasn't changed tell later that he turned into a she somehow.

[Candy Kappa]

Birdo started out as a male character. He is the first "transgender" video character, or one of the first. He was even stated to have a relationship with Yoshi. It wasn't changed tell later that he turned into a she somehow.

Birdo finally could afford that operation :P

[AT-Man]

Maybe the fire spitting birdoe are males?

[Ninjinister]

I want to play as Batman, Mr. Burns, gobo, Evil Otto, and a Cinnamon Toast Crunch piece.

[Memphis]

Bayonetta!!!!

[Cowabunga Carl]

Birdo finally could afford that operation :P

That was actually the official story lol I love the fact that Nintendo was willing to do that with a character even if it is a lesser known one.

[TMNT_Guy]

Birdo started out as a male character. He is the first "transgender" video character, or one of the first. He was even stated to have a relationship with Yoshi. It wasn't changed tell later that he turned into a she somehow.
Interestingly in Captain Rainbow, which was unforchantly only released in Japan, Birdo appears as a quest character. She gets arrested for using the Woman's bathroom and the cop didn't believe Birdo that she was female. The player is asked by Birdo to go to her house and get an item that proves she is a she. We never get to see the item though, because its censored with a question mark. Birdo gets released and gives the player a kiss, who then faints.

Later, Little Mac from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out talks about Birdo. After he calls her a "young lady", he takes a short pause and ponders. Then he says "Depending on one's viewpoint, she is a young lady."

Birdo finally could afford that operation :P
That would explain Birdo's male voice in the game. Males who undergo an operation to become female, retain their male voice.


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http://www.mariowiki.com/Captain_Rainbow

[Logan]

I don't know about adding Birdo, but I definitely think there are some characters that should be cut out of the next one.

Waaaay too many Mario characters. Mario is one of my favorite game series and I realize it's Nintendo's flagship franchise, but they have far too many in the game where some other interesting ones could be in their place.

No Pokemon. Or at the very least, limit it to the Trainer. I hate Pokemon.

Cut out some of the lamer characters, i.e. the Ice Climbers or Mr. Game and Watch. Or R.O.B.

To add:

Some more obscure characters from well-received Nintendo games. Little Mac from Punch Out (I know he's an assist) or Mike Jones from StarTropics.

More third party characters, but not too many. Sega has plenty of great franchises to milk characters from. Kid Chameleon, the Centurion, Musashi, Gilius Thunderhead, Alex Kidd, Vectorman...

[Frozen_Cereal]

Cut out Mr. Game n' Watch? Heck no dood, he's one of my favorite characters, if not one of the more unique of the cast (he's a 2D figure!). Personally, I think the current roster is fine as it is, although the final smashes could use some more variation *cough* 3 landmasters *cough*. It would be nice to see a few more obscure characters though, since that sort of thing brought Pit back into the spotlight.

[AT-Man]

More third party characters, but not too many. Sega has plenty of great franchises to milk characters from. Kid Chameleon, the Centurion, Musashi, Gilius Thunderhead, Alex Kidd, Vectorman...

Imagine some of these in a trailer, and all the people saying: WHO??

[Toonami Tom]

This has developed into an interesting conversation with a lot of information on Birdo. I don't know what I should add to the topic at the moment, but I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on this. Yeah.... lol.

I was playing Super Mario Bros 2 on Wii Virtual Console, and when I battled Birdo (as Toad, not that it matters, but Toad is cool) I didn't notice the red bow on Birdo's head. So I don't know. Was the red bow added later? I thought he (she?) always had it, at least that is the way I remember it. I think early art work shows the red bow. I don't know.

Good conversation though.

[Cure]

I don't know about adding Birdo, but I definitely think there are some characters that should be cut out of the next one.

Waaaay too many Mario characters. Mario is one of my favorite game series and I realize it's Nintendo's flagship franchise, but they have far too many in the game where some other interesting ones could be in their place.

No Pokemon. Or at the very least, limit it to the Trainer. I hate Pokemon.

Cut out some of the lamer characters, i.e. the Ice Climbers or Mr. Game and Watch. Or R.O.B.

To add:

Some more obscure characters from well-received Nintendo games. Little Mac from Punch Out (I know he's an assist) or Mike Jones from StarTropics.

More third party characters, but not too many. Sega has plenty of great franchises to milk characters from. Kid Chameleon, the Centurion, Musashi, Gilius Thunderhead, Alex Kidd, Vectorman...

You're an idiot.

[CyberCubed]

God no. There are many other Mario characters I'd want prior. Hell we don't even have Toad as playable.

[TMNT_Guy]

I don't know, outside of maybe Princess Daisy and Waluigi I can't think of any other Mario characters to add without it feeling forced. Baby versions of Mario & Luigi? Toad is already one of Peach's attacks...one of Mario's partners from the RPGs? Does one adventure with Mario grant Goombella a spot on the character select screen?

I can see Birdo being a Assist Trophy. She was a obstacle in the "Mushroom Kingdom II" stage of Super Smash Bros. Melee
http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Kingdom_II

[Logan]

You're an idiot.

Thank you for backing up your statements with more than just an insult. I always hate when people don't provide strong arguments in a debate.

Seriously. Don't be a tool. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion here.

[The Stryker]

Strong arguments like 'Don't put in Pokemon. I don't like it.'

[Logan]

Strong arguments like 'Don't put in Pokemon. I don't like it.'

This isn't about my statements, this is about Cure's.

But if you'd like, I'll elaborate further. Yes, I don't like Pokemon. It's also not nearly as popular as it was years back, so the franchise doesn't warrant having so many characters in the SSB games. Are that many people going to be upset if Jigglypuff doesn't show up in the next game? How about Pichu? It's the same problem as with Mario; there's far too many characters from the franchise that it takes up space for new and, frankly, potentially more interesting characters.

I hope that's a sufficient answer to your snide remark.

[Cure]

Pichu wasn't in Brawl. Don't be dumb.

And yes, Pokemon is still popular. Don't be dumb.

[The Stryker]

This isn't about my statements, this is about Cure's.

But if you'd like, I'll elaborate further. Yes, I don't like Pokemon. It's also not nearly as popular as it was years back, so the franchise doesn't warrant having so many characters in the SSB games. Are that many people going to be upset if Jigglypuff doesn't show up in the next game? How about Pichu? It's the same problem as with Mario; there's far too many characters from the franchise that it takes up space for new and, frankly, potentially more interesting characters.

I hope that's a sufficient answer to your snide remark.

So Pokemon isn't as popular as it was when it was a WORLDWIDE phenomenon so it deserves less spotlight.

But....Kid Chameleon and Vectorman deserve more? Characters that weren't really all that popular when they first arrived? Much less after years of NOTHING?

[CyberCubed]

The only reason Jigglypuff wasn't removed was because it was part of the original Smash Bros. roster, and stays for that reason.

Obviously in terms of relevance Mewtwo is far more iconic and deserved to stay overall, given it was the first major legendary and one of the original "villains" of the Pokemon franchise.

But then again that was 15 years ago. Mewtwo is as relevant now as Misty is....just long gone characters from over a decade ago that only original fans remember fondly and younger fans don't care much about.

[Logan]

But....Kid Chameleon and Vectorman deserve more? Characters that weren't really all that popular when they first arrived? Much less after years of NOTHING?

Much like the Ice Climbers, Captain Falcon, Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Roy, Pit, Marth, Lucas, Ike, R.O.B., King Dedede, Meta Knight...

I'm glad that we're on the same page, Stryker. :tsmile:

[shuriken]

^^ I agree with most of the said obscure characters but Pit, Meta Knight, Nes, And Captain Falcon are awesome. Even though I hate DeDeDee since he's a main Kirby villain it makes sense that he's there. Hell Medusa from Kid Icarus would be a cool character (just make her less huge).

Back to Birdo, sure add Birdo why not? But I don't see why they don't add other cooler characters like Shinobi, Vectorman or Sonic (Granted they are from Sega but they already had Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games so why not). Besides who wouldn't want to whoop Jiggleypuff with the goddamn Shinobi?

[The Stryker]

Much like the Ice Climbers, Captain Falcon, Mr. Game & Watch, Ness, Roy, Pit, Marth, Lucas, Ike, R.O.B., King Dedede, Meta Knight...

I'm glad that we're on the same page, Stryker. :tsmile:

All of those are Nintendo characters.

You're asking for them to reach out of their wheelhouse and give money to whoever owns those characters. Characters that aren't popular at all now and barely counted as such when they were originally released.

Getting Snake and Sonic? That makes sense. Doing the same for characters like Alex Kidd and Vector Man? Not so much.

Their time would be better spent going after Megaman. Atleast he's somewhat relevant and has connections to the Nintendo legacy.

But no. Let's talk about awesome characters like The Bonaza Bros or Aero the Acrobat and complain about them not getting a fair shake.



Back to Birdo, sure add Birdo why not? But I don't see why they don't add other cooler characters like Shinobi, Vectorman or Sonic (Granted they are from Sega but they already had Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games so why not). Besides who wouldn't want to whoop Jiggleypuff with the goddamn Shinobi?

Sonic was JUST in the last game.

Also Jigglypuff is way better than Shinobi.

[Cure]

Back to Birdo, sure add Birdo why not? But I don't see why they don't add other cooler characters like Shinobi, Vectorman or Sonic (Granted they are from Sega but they already had Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games so why not). Besides who wouldn't want to whoop Jiggleypuff with the goddamn Shinobi?

Sonic...was in Brawl.

[shuriken]

yes just realized after posting Sonic was indeed in the game. And Shinobi is awesome. At least the Genesis Shinobi. But I guess we'll have to wait and see who shows up in the next game.

[The Stryker]

Jigglypuff is still better than Shinobi. Shinobi wasn't even the best video game ninja of that time period or that console!

[shuriken]

On the Genesis? Who'd be your pick? Stryder Hiryu? And looking back Ryu Hayabusa makes more sense since he did come out in several NES games. But Shinobi is still awesome.

[Ninjinister]

Shinobi's not even a character, you crackheads.

[shuriken]

UGGGHH But it's a title given to a ninja of highest regard/ranking or whatever. Dude's name is Joe Musashi (or something very close to that). You knew who we were talking about and I will continue calling him Shinobi.

[Ninjinister]

UGGGHH But it's a title given to a ninja of highest regard/ranking or whatever. Dude's name is Joe Musashi (or something very close to that). You knew who we were talking about and I will continue calling him Shinobi.

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Shinobi just means ninja. It's not a rank. Unless there was one of the games that I skipped that said this (in which case, it's dumb), then this isn't true.

Joe was just one of the playable characters. For instance, Hotsuma was in the PS2 games and Joe's dad Jiro is in the 3DS game.

Calling any of these characters Shinobi is like saying Cloud is called Final Fantasy.

EDIT: I STAND CORRECTED! There is actually one character in the series that goes by just Shinobi: the player character in the GBA game The Revenge of Shinobi!