What is one thing about the OT that you don't know that you'd still like to see?

[pannoni1]

Now that the entire series is onto DVD and now that this forum has contributed pretty much every detail possible and feel that there is nothing more to watch unless for a nostalgic curiosity, many of you feel that you are ready to just leave the OT behind for the generations to come. We've seen episode scripts including some original drafts, we've seen a few storyboards, we've seen most of the voice actors discuss about the series. But there are still a few mysteries with regards to the nature of the original cartoon that I would like to see explained, such as certain animation studios that worked on certain episodes, certain characters in which we still don't know who voiced them, such as Mondo Gecko; a release of the entire soundtrack for this series in which who knows where the tapes to these recordings are, and certain voice actors such as Jennifer Darling, Bill Martin, Hal Rayle, and Bumper Robinson with regards to their work on the show. If that Turtle Documentary ever gets released, we may have some of those mysteries solved.

[CyberCubed]

I'd like to know what the writers were restricted from doing sometimes. The lack of fighting in some episodes over others is notable, as if the complaining parents in the early 90's influenced Fred Wolf to pressure the writers for less violent scenes in the show.

I'd also like to know if David Wise had bigger plans for the show before it became a commercialized success.

[Jephael]

I'd like to hear more about April and the Channel 6 News crew and what brought about their creation.

[gobo]

I'd like to see the origin of The Technodrome.

[saul]

I think being able to read the Show's Bible, if it has one, would be interesting. Especially reading the first drafts and outlines of the 1st season.

[alliance]

Did they actually ever show the kid at the store buying the Turtles?

i would like to see the tank where they were..

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder if there was much resistance to having to make Mike dump the nunchucks for the grappling hook. Were there arguments or was it just 'change his weapon? eh, whatever'.

[kzekedaurus]

Definitely want to know more about the multiple animation studios that worked on the show. Perhaps even in-house with Fred Wolf studios, would be nice to see them go into more detail about their processes, storyboarding, maybe even drop some names of outstanding animators.

[Jester]

One of the biggest unanswered questions, for me, is how did Krang and Shredder first meet.

[TurtleTitan97]

One of the biggest unanswered questions, for me, is how did Krang and Shredder first meet.

^ This. Also find out what happened to the human Foot Clan.

[CyberCubed]

One of the biggest unanswered questions, for me, is how did Krang and Shredder first meet.

Yeah, I always assumed Krang just fell out of a dimensional portal into Shredder's lap in Japan or something.

And was the Technodrome built on Earth? Or was it built in Dimension X and then moved to Earth?

[Fugitoid Jones]

I'd like to see the origin of The Technodrome.

I was just thinking of this today. Would love the hear where the idea for the Technodrome came from, as well as how Krang and Shredder first met.

[Powder]

I wanna know why there were so many sh*tty characters that were used in place of action figures who really could've used their own episode.

[shinefra]

One of the biggest unanswered questions, for me, is how did Krang and Shredder first meet.

Same here, I always imagined that Shredder saved Krang (for some reason) because he didn't had a body and in exchange Krang gave him acces to his technology. Besides Krang needed someone who knew about earths culture.

Another thing that bothered me so much was the fact that people from Europe thought that a Nun chuck was more violent than a Sai or a Katana, maybe you guys already know the answer since you have more time in the forums.

[gobo]

IF NOT FOR ME, HAMATO YOSHI WOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT JAPAN. I FOLLOWED HIM TO THIS COUNTRY, WHERE I GAINED MY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING MY RARE EXPERIMENTAL MUTAGEN.
I assume that means Krang got banished from Dimension X to NYC Airport's baggage claim. :P
Would love the hear where the idea for the Technodrome came from
Don't tell me the mighty Krang doesn't remember his greatest weapons engineer. The one who helped you design the Technodrome. The one you betrayed. And did you have to destroy my home world as well?
And, that's how the plot of the proposed Krang vs Predators was supposed to go.

[Coola Yagami]

True... but that was all the way til Red Sky... way before the creators even knew if their show was gonna surpass the first 5 episodes. I wonder what their thoughts on how Shredder met Krang and how they created the Technodrome were back then.

And why did England bully them into changing Mike's weapon? It's an AMERICAN cartoon... sure it was shown in England too, but we should have had first priority. It's like Japan suddenly censoring anime (and I mean in Japan itself) because America said so.

[sykosis]

I have not gone back and rewatched all the OT cartoons. Mikey's nunchucks got censored out of the American cartoon as well?

[Jester]

I have not gone back and rewatched all the OT cartoons. Mikey's nunchucks got censored out of the American cartoon as well?
Kinda....in an attempt to make the shows work in the European market with out heavy edits, Mikey's chucks were eventually replaced with a grappling hook. It was a kind of self censorship.

[sykosis]

Kinda....in an attempt to make the shows work in the European market with out heavy edits, Mikey's chucks were eventually replaced with a grappling hook. It was a kind of self censorship.



Very interesting, thanks for the reply

[TurtleFan2012]

I'd like to see the origin of The Technodrome.

Krang's engineer, Drakkus/Berserko, built the technodrome. Krang tried to kill him as payment. I assume it was built in dimension X.

[gobo]

Krang's engineer, Drakkus/Berserko, built the technodrome.
Don't tell me the mighty Krang doesn't remember his greatest weapons engineer. The one who helped you design the Technodrome. The one you betrayed. And did you have to destroy my home world as well?
And, that's how the plot of the proposed Krang vs Predators was supposed to go.
He only said he helped design it.

[Jephael]

I wanna know why there were so many sh*tty characters that were used in place of action figures who really could've used their own episode.

What sh*tty characters? I thought every character on that show was supurb... except Howie Hardy. I could've cared less if they decapitated that dipstick!

[MikeandRaph87]

The odd episode counts,the characters used such as why of all the one characters did Rat King luck out to show up in the cartoon and were certain ones thrown in because they were toys or made to make a toy of while the forced inclusion of Dregg and Carter fully explained,the development of Chanel Six News. There is sure to be something else,but that is all I can think of at the moment.

[CyberCubed]

What sh*tty characters? I thought every character on that show was supurb... except Howie Hardy. I could've cared less if they decapitated that dipstick!

One-shot crazy human characters who just served as villains for one episode

[shinefra]

What sh*tty characters? I thought every character on that show was supurb... except Howie Hardy. I could've cared less if they decapitated that dipstick!

This are some of the most ****** characters from the old cartoon (in my opinion of course)

Pinky McFingers
Barney Stockman
Aunt Aggie
Miyoko Saki (Shredder's mom)
A. J. Howard
Don Turtelli
HiTech
Mr. X
Mung
TechnoGangsters
Tempestra
Turtlenator
Lord Dregg

I wonder what happened to that punk member who turned into a mutant Bat?

[CyberCubed]

You think Shredder's Mom was a bad character? Get out, she was one of the funniest characters of the show.

Tempestra and Lord Dregg were also good characters. Barney Stockman was obviously intended to be a gag and the gansters were cool.

We're talking about ridiculous one-off villains, not even the mad scientists, but those other human villains like that rich guy in the superhero episode, the guy who played with boats, the french guy who owned a wax museum, etc.

[shinefra]

You think Shredder's Mom was a bad character? Get out, she was one of the funniest characters of the show.

Tempestra and Lord Dregg were also good characters. Barney Stockman was obviously intended to be a gag and the gansters were cool.

We're talking about ridiculous one-off villains, not even the mad scientists, but those other human villains like that rich guy in the superhero episode, the guy who played with boats, the french guy who owned a wax museum, etc.

Shredder's mom destroyed the little respect I had for the Shredder, one of the reasons I stopped watching the show.

Tempestra came out of video game with no explanation, that's ****** enough for me.

[CyberCubed]

Shredder's mom destroyed the little respect I had for the Shredder, one of the reasons I stopped watching the show.

You're joking, right? Shredder's Mother was an absolutely hilarious character and let us see the more human side of Shredder. Shredder was always played for comic relief prior so his mother didn't change anything.

The episode itself was also one of the best episodes of the season, the whole plotline of doing to Dimension X and trying to refocus the beams of light between multiple portals was excellent to stop the Earth from crashing into the sun.

And it bothers you that Tempestra came out of a videogame, in a series that was never serious? Wow, I can't understand why people let perfectly fine things bother them.

[shinefra]

You're joking, right? Shredder's Mother was an absolutely hilarious character and let us see the more human side of Shredder. Shredder was always played for comic relief prior so his mother didn't change anything.

The episode itself was also one of the best episodes of the season, the whole plotline of doing to Dimension X and trying to refocus the beams of light between multiple portals was excellent to stop the Earth from crashing into the sun.

And it bothers you that Tempestra came out of a videogame, in a series that was never serious? Wow, I can't understand why people let perfectly fine things bother them.

So that's your opinion I never felt Shredder's mom added anything to the Character but more silliness that he did not need. I know the Turtles was a comedy with some action but it just got worst with time, that’s why the producers tried to save the series with the red sky episodes but it was too late.

Tempestra was just a filler character because they didn’t even bother to explain where did she came from or why she was evil. At least the Rat King was a character from the comics.

By the way aren't you the guy who complains all the time about every detail of the new series? :trolleye:

[CyberCubed]

So that's your opinion I never felt Shredder's mom added anything to the Character but more silliness that he did not need. I know the Turtles was a comedy with some action but it just got worst with time, that’s why the producers tried to save the series with the red sky episodes but it was too late.

What the hell are you talking about? The show never needed, "saving," it was always an action/comedy series to begin with. The show was re-tooled toward the end because it was obviously drawing to a close anyway.

Shredder was defeated in Season 2 by the Turtles throwing pizza pies in his face. And you can't accept that he had a mother with the same evil mentality he did? This was never intended to be a plot driven series like other shows.

Tempestra was just a filler character because they didn’t even bother to explain where did she came from or why she was evil. At least the Rat King was a character from the comics.

Lightning struck the arcade cabinet and brought her to life. That's all we needed to know.

[shinefra]

What the hell are you talking about? The show never needed, "saving," it was always an action/comedy series to begin with. The show was re-tooled toward the end because it was obviously drawing to a close anyway.

Shredder was defeated in Season 2 by the Turtles throwing pizza pies in his face. And you can't accept that he had a mother with the same evil mentality he did? This was never intended to be a plot driven series like other shows.


Why do I have to accept every thing a show throws at me? I simply don't like the character I think it sucks ass. And if the show was that great why did they have to change it that much?



Lightning struck the arcade cabinet and brought her to life. That's all we needed to know.

Yeah and that's what I call poor writing.

And why is it so hard for you to accept that I don't like those aspects of the old series? You don't like everything about the new show right?

[ninjafowlkes8705]

i wonder if there was much resistance to having to make mike dump the nunchucks for the grappling hook. Were there arguments or was it just 'change his weapon? Eh, whatever'.

i like to michelangelo with his nunchucks one more time

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

You're joking, right? Shredder's Mother was an absolutely hilarious character and let us see the more human side of Shredder. Shredder was always played for comic relief prior so his mother didn't change anything.

The episode itself was also one of the best episodes of the season, the whole plotline of doing to Dimension X and trying to refocus the beams of light between multiple portals was excellent to stop the Earth from crashing into the sun.

And it bothers you that Tempestra came out of a videogame, in a series that was never serious? Wow, I can't understand why people let perfectly fine things bother them.

I would like to see Shredder's mom and his baby brother Kazou Saki in the same episode. :)

[Jephael]

Barney Stockman was obviously intended to be a gag and the gansters were cool.

I always felt they created Barney as an excuse to reuse the human model of Baxter without having to undo his mutation.

[shinefra]

I always felt they created Barney as an excuse to reuse the human model of Baxter without having to undo his mutation.

Me too, instead of givin Baxter Stockman another episode they created this worthless sh**ty character and the stupid generic Gangsters

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I always felt they created Barney as an excuse to reuse the human model of Baxter without having to undo his mutation.

Couldn't they be in the same episode? (I dislike fly-Baxter Stockman, thankfully it was a way of writing him out as a main-character)

[CyberCubed]

Me too, instead of givin Baxter Stockman another episode they created this worthless sh**ty character and the stupid generic Gangsters

It bothers you that they created gangster characters now? Wow you really are peeling the bottom of the barrel. Every action cartoon uses gangsters at some point.

And Shredder's Mom is one of the most loved episodes of the OT so I feel sorry for you that you couldn't enjoy it.

[gobo]

And Shredder's Mom is one of the most loved episodes of the OT
By pot-heads, and who else? O_o

[shinefra]

By pot-heads, and who else? O_o

I wa going to answer CyberCubed but that pretty sums it up.

I mean I know the series was an Action comedy series (or at least it was in the begining then it turn in to a comedy with very little action) but some characters where really dumb.

A gangster that tickles you? even as a kid I considered that retarded, thank God the 2K3 series was made.

[cryan]

I would have loved to see an interview with Pat Musick,the voice actress who played Mona Lisa.Also,put aside Lairds dislike for the character,I still wonder what other forces were at work that kept mona Lisa from returning.I still think parents(mothers in the case) were up in arms over the character,considering her to be a bit racey.Just my thought.


Now that the entire series is onto DVD and now that this forum has contributed pretty much every detail possible and feel that there is nothing more to watch unless for a nostalgic curiosity, many of you feel that you are ready to just leave the OT behind for the generations to come. We've seen episode scripts including some original drafts, we've seen a few storyboards, we've seen most of the voice actors discuss about the series. But there are still a few mysteries with regards to the nature of the original cartoon that I would like to see explained, such as certain animation studios that worked on certain episodes, certain characters in which we still don't know who voiced them, such as Mondo Gecko; a release of the entire soundtrack for this series in which who knows where the tapes to these recordings are, and certain voice actors such as Jennifer Darling, Bill Martin, Hal Rayle, and Bumper Robinson with regards to their work on the show. If that Turtle Documentary ever gets released, we may have some of those mysteries solved.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It bothers you that they created gangster characters now? Wow you really are peeling the bottom of the barrel. Every action cartoon uses gangsters at some point.

And Shredder's Mom is one of the most loved episodes of the OT so I feel sorry for you that you couldn't enjoy it.

Gangstaz Rock

[gobo]

I still think parents(mothers in the case) were up in arms over the character,considering her to be a bit racey.
That's reaching. If that was the case, Kala wouldn't have appeared so many times. :P

[cryan]

What I meant was,Mona Lisa(please don't ban me for saying this)was nude.The fact that she was human as well.you get the idea.

[Jephael]

What I meant was,Mona Lisa(please don't ban me for saying this)was nude.The fact that she was human as well.you get the idea.

We never saw anything though. You don't see her naked as a human and when she's a mutant she has that scaly skin covering up her lady bits.

[CyberCubed]

A gangster that tickles you? even as a kid I considered that retarded, thank God the 2K3 series was made.

Get over yourself. I think most people found a tickling mob boss to be quite insane and funny.

You don't understand what the OT is about. Its about craziness that somehow works.

[shinefra]

Get over yourself. I think most people found a tickling mob boss to be quite insane and funny.

You don't understand what the OT is about. Its about craziness that somehow works.

I understand perfectly, I just don't like everything about it and i'm willing to bet that i'm not the only one.

Overall I liked the series, but sometimes It just got to silly for me.
What you don't seem to understand is that nobody has to like everything about something just because you do,we all think, see and feel different, you know what I'm saying?

[CyberCubed]

I don't mind not liking parts of the show, but you seem to be criticizing the show based on what it is. It's like saying a comedy shouldn't be a comedy, or a horror movie shouldn't be about horror.

Also you have to remember the time period in which the show was made. You're comparing it to modern action cartoons, it wasn't made to be like shows are now.

Back in the late 80's and early 90's until Batman:TAS came out, it was pretty much the most action oriented cartoon show on TV at the time.

[shinefra]

I don't mind not liking parts of the show, but you seem to be criticizing the show based on what it is. It's like saying a comedy shouldn't be a comedy, or a horror movie shouldn't be about horror.


No I'm not because there is Bad comedy and good comedy and TMNT had both, sometimes it was funny and sometimes It was too stupid.



Also you have to remember the time period in which the show was made. You're comparing it to modern action cartoons, it wasn't made to be like shows are now.

Back in the late 80's and early 90's until Batman:TAS came out, it was pretty much the most action oriented cartoon show on TV at the time.

That is not true, you're forgetting about The real Ghostbusters a series that had comedy, action and it even had scary moments, a cartoon show that was ahead of it's time.

[gobo]

There was way more action and suspense in The Real Ghostbusters.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

There was way more action and suspense in The Real Ghostbusters.

Yeah, and even He-Man and Transformers if I reall right.

[cartoonistaaron]

I like when you guys argue about a long-since-cancelled cartoon show!

Shredder's Mom was one of the silliest episodes. I loved it. It was also completely stupid and would never go over in a less-wacky TMNT cartoon. I couldn't see Shredder's mother showing up in the Mirage Comics.

CyberCubed, it's okay if somebody else doesn't like something you like. That's what makes this world a great big beautiful melting pot.

Personally, I would love to have seen a miniseries bridging the Mirage comics with the OT. Here's the idea I came up with. Start with TMNT #1 which ends with the death of the Shredder. Continue into the Mousers and then the Turtles In Space story.

Meanwhile, on Earth... The Utroms were in the habit of finding dead or dying creatures and try to reanimate them, in an attempt to create organic bodies for themselves to better assimilate into Earth society. They would find the burned-up carcass of the Shredder and put him in one of their stasis tanks. After their building is destroyed, the Shredder's stasis tank would fall into the deep pit underground, which the Utrom building was constructed over... Where Krang the renegade Utrom had been banished, years before, in his depowered Technodrome.

Krang would use what little power remained to revive the Shredder, and demand as repayment that the Shredder help build him his own body, and help re-power the Technodrome fortress. Shredder, homeless, powerless, and his Foot soldier army disbanded, would have little choice. He would bring together whatever gang (the human Rocksteady and Bebop and their cohorts) he could manage, and then would force the insane Baxter Stockman to help him construct robotic Foot soldiers, based on the Mouser technology.

It doesn't all work perfectly but I never sat down and wrote it out. That's just kind of what I came up with as a kid, trying to reconcile the Mirage stuff with the OT. But that's what I'd like to see.

[gobo]

Personally, I would love to have seen a miniseries bridging the Mirage comics with the OT. Here's the idea I came up with. Start with TMNT #1 which ends with the death of the Shredder. Continue into the Mousers and then the Turtles In Space story.

Meanwhile, on Earth... The Utroms were in the habit of finding dead or dying creatures and try to reanimate them, in an attempt to create organic bodies for themselves to better assimilate into Earth society. They would find the burned-up carcass of the Shredder and put him in one of their stasis tanks. After their building is destroyed, the Shredder's stasis tank would fall into the deep pit underground, which the Utrom building was constructed over... Where Krang the renegade Utrom had been banished, years before, in his depowered Technodrome.

Krang would use what little power remained to revive the Shredder, and demand as repayment that the Shredder help build him his own body, and help re-power the Technodrome fortress. Shredder, homeless, powerless, and his Foot soldier army disbanded, would have little choice. He would bring together whatever gang (the human Rocksteady and Bebop and their cohorts) he could manage, and then would force the insane Baxter Stockman to help him construct robotic Foot soldiers, based on the Mouser technology.

It doesn't all work perfectly but I never sat down and wrote it out. That's just kind of what I came up with as a kid, trying to reconcile the Mirage stuff with the OT. But that's what I'd like to see.
Pretty neat idea. :tthumbsu:

[MikeandRaph87]

Cartoonistarron,your utrom idea reminds me of a 1992 film bomb featuring Emilio Estevez and Mick Jagger called Freejack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freejack

[CyberCubed]

The biggest missed opportunity of the original show was not seeing Shredder reunite with the human Foot Clan after they lost the Technodrome in Season 8.

We could have seen them being led by Karai and then Shredder taking them over. What a shame.

[gobo]

Sure, it was. :roll: Karai was introduced in the Mirage books a handful of months before Red Sky started. I'm sure Eastman would have been all for it, but I doubt Laird was eager to give FWF another one of their original characters to cheapen.

[CyberCubed]

Sure, it was. :roll: Karai was introduced in the Mirage books a handful of months before Red Sky started. I'm sure Eastman would have been all for it, but I doubt Laird was eager to give FWF another one of their original characters to cheapen.

I'm sure they could have taken any character from the comics and used them, Karai after all was included in Tournament Fighters for SNES.

[pannoni1]

The biggest missed opportunity of the original show was not seeing Shredder reunite with the human Foot Clan after they lost the Technodrome in Season 8.

We could have seen them being led by Karai and then Shredder taking them over. What a shame.

The episode "State of Shock" could have been a perfect opportunity instead of that Alex Winter/Megavolt, since he had his own Ninja Clan. Here is where I'd replace him with Karai. I would have also had Shredder gain control of a couple of the H.A.V.O.C. mutants (OverDrive and Amok would be my preference) and use them as a replacement for Bebop & Rocksteady, with Titanus replacing the worn-out Krang who gets sent back to Dimension X trying to give the Technodrome a big threat for Turtle Trek.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The biggest missed opportunity of the original show was not seeing Shredder reunite with the human Foot Clan after they lost the Technodrome in Season 8.

We could have seen them being led by Karai and then Shredder taking them over. What a shame.

Write a fanfic about it and publish it on the Internet! (alternate start from season 9) The 1987 show is lacking on fanfiction. And with TMNT fanfiction, I mean real TMNT fanfiction that follows the spirit of the show (with Michelangelo joking and eating pizza, Irma talking of her last date, Shredder saying to Bebop and Rocksteady they are idiots whn they can't defeat the Turtles), not some stupid "fangirl" writing "Donatello and Irma have sex". Such stories belong to the "Sex and the Sewer" sections, not TMNT.

I would love to see a big split. Imagine the Technodrome getting lost, In Japan, Shredder re-creates the Foot Clan, and the gang war breaks out in borth Japan and the USA (maybe use some Lotus Blossom plot). Of course, Kazou Saki would appear as a Tokyo policeman.

Meanwhile in Dimension X, the war between the Neutrinos and the Rock Warrios would continue. This would comine two fantastic TMNT elements; the urban street stories on Earth, and the science fiction elements. Not many stories share both these elements, and it's one of TMNT's greatest strenghts ever.

A third element would be Bebop and Rocksteady re-united with their old gang two. You would have three forms of battle:
*Dimension X intergalactic space battles
*Ancient Japense martial arts/ninjutsu
*20th century US gang wars