Official Episode Discussion #5 "I Think His Name Is Baxter Stockman"

[Machias Banshee]

Alright, everyone!

Warning: UK preview, ignore the whole 'monday' thing...
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I'm so excited to see this next episode... As some may remember, this was the episode that was offered as a sneak peek to the special Fan Preview in San Diego back a couple years ago. It was not much more than a special animatic with some voices thrown it, but the little bit we saw was Great...

Well, now we all get to see the final product!

The boys are trying to sneak out with April for a night at the movies. Of course, you know Splinter probably would not want this to happen. So the boys do what any teenage ninja would do - they sneak out... but you KNOW they're gonna get caught. You can't hide things from a ninja master... :evilgrin:

Our beloved (and sometimes tortured) evil scientist is finally making his debut, and there's no telling what mayhem he could cause the turtles (not to mention the city). Hopefully Baxter's dealings with the Shredder won't end up with him being reduced to a spinal cord and an eyeball like Robocop...



So...

WILL BAXTER BE REDEEMED AS A TERRIFYING SCIENTIST?!
WILL BAXTER KEEP HIS BODY PARTS IN THIS SERIES?!
WILL THE BOYS BE CAUGHT SNEAKING OUT?!


Stay Tuned!! :D

[Donatello19]

Official Discussion for the episode!

[Moonlight1102]

Splinter is so awesome.

[Moonlight1102]

Having the Play/Pause/Rewind buttons form a person was pretty clever.

[Donatello19]

I'm loving the episode so far! I liked when Mikey was like "it's the po po!"

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing that is getting old ,but is great when sparringly done is the TMNT creating their adversaries. Baxter was already a loser scientist,but they gave him means to an end to start his villainy.

[Donatello19]

I really hope we get more episodes that are 1 hour, because this episode is going by way too fast!

[MikeandRaph87]

It was never shown,but are we to believe that Baxer Stockman was picked up by the police?

People are speculating a connection to April which does not seem to be the case,but what about to Shredder if not by season's end?

Edit:Chrisdude,since we have already started this one before Banshee made and stickied it lets just keep this one going and switch the sticky.

[chrisdude]

Why don't they open the official official episode discussion threads when the show starts?

I don't know where to post my thoughts.

[HerpDerp]

Great episode, possibly my new favourite.
Splinter made lots of funnies this week. ;)

[Xav]

People are speculating a connection to April which does not seem to be the case,but what about to Shredder if not by season's end?He did work in the TCRI building. So was he fired by the Kranng?

[MrTMNT2012]

Didn't see the episode this week because of the livestream not working but can anyone give the plot of the episode to me pls? Like spoilers and all.

[Donatello19]

Why don't they open the official official episode discussion threads when the show starts?

I don't know where to post my thoughts.

Why can't this thread be the official discussion?

[TurtleTitan97]

I thought this was a good episode. It was a nice change of pace to see Stockman not appear for the first time with the mousers.

[MikeandRaph87]

He did work in the TCRI building. So was he fired by the Kranng?

I was not sure if that was an Easter Egg or if it will play a role in this series. I guess I missed it when I have seen the episodes,but has it been said that The Kraang operate out of the TCRI building?Hmm...

[chrisdude]

Why can't this thread be the official discussion?It's just that the "official" discussions are sticky'd ahead of time. It's sitting up there now, closed.
I just don't see the point in making those stickies if they don't unlock RIGHT AWAY.

EDIT------

Anyway, did anybody else feel like...
the StockmanPod and the little robot it spawned were kinda mouser-inspired, in design? they both had the same kind of teeth thing going on... I've still got my fingers crossed for mousers in this series.

[kzekedaurus]

So I had to catch this one after missing next week's episode when it premiered. Haven't woken up early for a cartoon in... wow!

Anyway, that skateboarding scene with Mikey is a thing of beauty. Some of his jumps seem weightless, but for the most part those movements were smooth. The creativity in their first fight with the powered-up Stockman is great; Mikey using his nunchucks against Stockman turning into Stockman using Mikey as nunchucks put a huge grin on my face.

This show has a lot of jokes in sets of two. Most of them are easy to predict, but the beehive is something I shoulda seen coming. Stockman's love of theatrics is also something I think he could share with Leo! And with that, I'll leave the rest to others smarter than me, to expound upon themes or notice continuity errors in the writing.

[EDIT]: Woops, should I wait 'till the other thread opens?

[FoxZerro]

That was a great episode. The first fight scene against Baxter after his upgrade was great. Using Michelangelo as Nunchucks / Kusariwgama was awesome. I'm glad that we finally saw some teamwork between Raph and Donny, but most of all it was great to see how Donatello's bo becomes the Naginata. I kind of thought that it had been abandoned since it hadn't yet shown up and it was nice for it to make its first appearance.

The episode felt more like the Nano episode from the 4Kids series than an actual Baxter Stockman episode which is a bit of issue for me and definitely a complaint I have about the episode. I like it when Baxter is an actual factual threat on his own because of his own inventions and intelligence. I hope that in his next appearance he is able to be made more of a threat in a believable way. I kind of like that he's not evil, but he also doesn't seem bad. The whole let's call it a tie in the end was not in line with him being some evil mastermind. He felt more like Steve Urkel than a crazy scientist. Which also sort of gave me a deeper understanding as to why Baxter was white in the OT.

I really liked the whole fight the man not the armor lesson, but it went in a completely different direction than I imagined it would. They literally fought the man inside instead of attacking him mentally. Throughout the episode it showed that Baxter had a bit of a temper when he was mocked and I figured that they would continually throw insults at him causing him to fight more erratically and allow their superior fighting skills to prevail. Dumping bees into the suit just seemed so literal that it sort of defeated the message of Splinter's lesson. It also seemed off because Baxter didn't really seem to react to getting hit in the face with hot pizza so why would they think that bees could hurt him.

Finally huge fan of the dorkiness of Leonardo regarding Space Heroes and very glad that it came back in the episode. Those moments allow for great sibling bonding between Leo and Raph and I love it. Also really liked that the fugitoid made a semi cameo in the name of the Futur-Toid Electronics store after Mikey hit Baxter in the face with the pizza.

Overall a good episode but coming in after the great episode that was New Friend, Old Enemy it had less of an impact.

[Allio]

it's these cartoon's that makes me realize, just how bad Baxter Stockman got it in the Mirage comics

[HerpDerp]

Didn't see the episode this week because of the livestream not working but can anyone give the plot of the episode to me pls? Like spoilers and all.

Splinter grounds the turtles for a week for skateboarding in the lair and leaving pizza all over the place. Don creates a music player which Mikey dubs the "t-pod". Raph starts to get stir-crazy and suggests they sneak out with their skateboards whilst Splinter is sleeping. They do so, but have a run-in with Stockman (who at this point is pathetic and has lame armour). They get back to the lair but the next day are exhausted and Splinter suspects they're hiding something, but they still don't blab.
Leo is watching Space Heroes when it's interrupted by a news broadcast about Stockman, whose armour is now souped up ... courtesy of the t-pod, which Mikey accidentally dropped during their fight.
They sneak out again and battle Stockman but he's too strong for them, so they return home injured. Splinter catches them sneaking back in and demands they tell him where they've been. Splinter tells them to go back out and fight Stockman, with the advice to fight the guy inside the armour rather than the armour itself. They manage to defeat him and Splinter ungrounds them.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't as good as last week but a decent fun episode.

Baxter's motivation was poor and I don't like how the T-pod was a magic plot device. I hope the stuff with the TCRI leads to something.

[MrTMNT2012]

Thanks a ton, HerpDerp :)

[ToSte]

I like how Baxter busted through the wall yelling "Oh yeah" like KoolAid. Little things like that make this show rad.

[TurtleTitan97]

EDIT------

Anyway, did anybody else feel like...
the StockmanPod and the little robot it spawned were kinda mouser-inspired, in design? they both had the same kind of teeth thing going on... I've still got my fingers crossed for mousers in this series.

Yeah, I notice that too. Also, the mousers will be appearing in the series:

http://i.imgur.com/JjBJul.png (http://imgur.com/JjBJu)
http://i.imgur.com/mPJGgl.png

I like how Baxter busted through the wall yelling "Oh yeah" like KoolAid. Little things like that make this show rad.

Agreed. I loved that part.

[Donatello19]

I really wish April would appear more. It's like she isn't even a main character

[NinjaMan]

I really wish April would appear more. It's like she isn't even a main character

Her Donnie from the synoposis are the focus of an upcoming episode.

[MikeandRaph87]

Chrisdude,to answer your question...Episode#11, "Mouserthon" which is set to air December 8th...When simultaneous threats from the Purple Dragons and Baxter Stockman’s mechanical Mousers force the Turtles to split into two groups, Donnie & Mikey must prove that their “B Team” is just as valuable as Leo & Raph’s “A Team.”

[In The Clouds]

I really wish April would appear more. It's like she isn't even a main character

...I can't tell whether you're being serious or sarcastic here. :P

[Vegeta]

I feel like they're really really trying hard to make Mikey the most interesting and lovable character. He's awesome but it'd be nice if the other turtles personalities can be fleshed out as much as his is the last few episodes. The episode was Ok. The ipod thing felt kind of like a forced and slightly dated pop culture reference. Too much pop culture crap won't age well at all.

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Another great episode! Really loved the turtles being "grounded" and sneaking in the lair hoping splinter was asleep. Interesting making baxter a different race but definetly captured his spirit. I dont mind Baxter returning to his 80s comic roots.

[Ninjinister]

It's just that the "official" discussions are sticky'd ahead of time. It's sitting up there now, closed.
I just don't see the point in making those stickies if they don't unlock RIGHT AWAY.


Because there's clearly an option to have a thread unlock itself at a certain time.

I really wish April would appear more. It's like she isn't even a main character

I'm actually going to agree with this.

[NinjaMan]

Stockman Pod lol. Great episode. Splinter cracks me up. Good fight scenes. Baxter looks to be a fun villain. Loved the Koolaid man reference lol. I'm loving how Leo is impersonating his favorite hero.

[MrTMNT2012]

Loved the Episode, even better than last weeks in my opinion. It had way more Epic battles and funny moments! :) :)

[Coola Yagami]

Another great episode! Really loved the turtles being "grounded" and sneaking in the lair hoping splinter was asleep. Interesting making baxter a different race but definetly captured his spirit. I dont mind Baxter returning to his 80s comic roots.

Um... Baxter WAS black in the 80's comics roots.... The 80's CARTOON changed races and made him white...

Wasn't it kinda funny how even Splinter called him the Stockman-Pod? lmao

I agree with everyone else. Who's April again? Some girl they rescued whenever ago? Honestly, if she wasn't in the intro, people completely new to the series and Turtles in general wouldn't have guessed she was any more important than Spyder Bytes. The only reason we care is because we're so used to her being a major character due to past incarnations.

Also, anyone like how LEO was the one that slipped and fell and made alot of noise after his 'we must move silently' line, instead of Mikey? Seeing Leo goof up for once was unpredictable and funny as hell. Especially with Raph rubbing it in afterwards. lol

[NinjaMan]

Um... Baxter WAS black in the 80's comics roots.... The 80's CARTOON changed races and made him white...

Wasn't it kinda funny how even Splinter called him the Stockman-Pod? lmao

I agree with everyone else. Who's April again? Some girl they rescued whenever ago? Honestly, if she wasn't in the intro, people completely new to the series and Turtles in general wouldn't have guessed she was any more important than Spyder Bytes. The only reason we care is because we're so used to her being a major character due to past incarnations.

I loved it when it Splinter called him that lol. I'm loving the fight scenes in this cartoon. They are really good. I look forward to the Baxter toy.

[Machias Banshee]

Sorry folks, I got yanked away suddenly and didn't get a chance to open the thread. I merged the two and stickied them...

[CyberCubed]

Sorry folks, I got yanked away suddenly and didn't get a chance to open the thread. I merged the two and stickied them...

Could you unlock the threads Friday night before the eps then? It's not like people are going to spam the thread 1 day prior.

[Cure]

Sorry folks, I got yanked away suddenly and didn't get a chance to open the thread. I merged the two and stickied them...

No worries!

I thought this episode was pretty tight. The only thing I thought was kind of weird was how their eyes transformed into white. I think it's cooler when it's done off camera. Small nitpick though, who cares.

[The Stryker]

I feel like they're really really trying hard to make Mikey the most interesting and lovable character. He's awesome but it'd be nice if the other turtles personalities can be fleshed out as much as his is the last few episodes. The episode was Ok. The ipod thing felt kind of like a forced and slightly dated pop culture reference. Too much pop culture crap won't age well at all.

How is it dated now? People still use ipods. Like a lot. You think walkie talkies dated the other two shows?

[BubblyShell22]

This ep was great. I loved Stockman and thought Phil Lamarr did a great job. I loved his Kool-Aid bit and the fight scenes. Splinter was great in this episode as well, and I loved seeing Space Heroes again and hearing Leo deliver more cheesy lines. And I cracked up when Leo fell down like that. It was funny. Overall, a very good episode.

Favorite quotes:

Splinter: How many times have I told you not to skateboard in the Lair?
Mikey: None, Sensei.
Splinter: You should not have to be told.

Leo: Maybe he's gong to church.
Raph: With battle powered armor? What kind of church is that?
Mikey: A really awesome one.

Leo: Halt, villain!
Raph: Halt, villain? Seriously, when did we start talkin' like that?
Leo: We're heroes. It's how heroes talk.

[shinefra]

April appeared too much in the old series so I really don't care If she appears frequently here.

[CyberCubed]

I was disappointed that after Baxter broke Don's bo, he didn't say, "That was my favorite bo."

Would have been a nice nod the the OT, much like Mikey humming the theme song in the same ep.

[Jephael]

Awesome episode! I loved the part where he was on TV and someone offscreen said "Is that Baxter Stockman?"

[tmntfan4ever]

Any1 also notice that the guy with the cat works at the TCRI building in which he identifies Baxter :tlol:

[Donatello19]

...I can't tell whether you're being serious or sarcastic here. :P

I was being serious lol

[shinefra]

Any1 also notice that the guy with the cat works at the TCRI building in which he identifies Baxter :tlol:

I guess they did it to save on animation costs. Wouldn't be surprised to see him again selling ice cream in the streets

I was disappointed that after Baxter broke Don's bo, he didn't say, "That was my favorite bo."

Would have been a nice nod the the OT, much like Mikey humming the theme song in the same ep.

Really? Just for that? Mikey humming the original TMNT song was more than enough for me.

Maybe if you stopped wanting the NEW series to be like the old ones you wouldn't be so disappointed. ;)

[Cure]

I guess they did it to save on animation costs. Wouldn't be surprised to see him again selling ice cream in the streets

That would actually be pretty funny if it became a running gag.

[Donatello19]

Did anyone else notice that Mikey didn't say "Hey, I can see a pizza place from up here" when he was hanging from the wire?

[shinefra]

Did anyone else notice that Mikey didn't say "Hey, I can see a pizza place from up here" when he was hanging from the wire?

Actually I was waiting for him to say that, but maybe it happens in another episode or it was removed.

[chrisdude]

Did anyone else notice that Mikey didn't say "Hey, I can see a pizza place from up here" when he was hanging from the wire?I guess it got ditched. Maybe it would've broken the flow of excitement. They way the final scene played out, there was no time for it.

Dang it. I just ate pizza yesterday, and I want it again... :tmad:

[The Big Bad]

Oh well, I guess not all of the villains in this series should be serious/threatening.

They can't all be (nor would I want them to be), but so far, I'm noting a definitive trend when it comes to the non-Foot, non-Kraang villains we've seen so far, in that the only threat they pose comes from the fact that they're physically powerful, not because they're skilled. Combined with their general lack of motivation, it makes them feel like characters with a rather limited shelf-life, akin to those Teen Titans villains who only appeared when they needed a fight scene.

Probably the weakest episode so far. More thoughts later.

[marcelangelo]

loved the episode, too;)man, it sure is so fine comming home on a saturday night and know that you may very likely be watching the brand new teenage mutant ninja turtles episode!;)

I loved the 'futur-toid' electronics store;)..anyone cought that?its in the moment when baxter is looking for mike and he attacks him with flying pizzas(man writing this sentence feels like back in the early 90s again, hahahaha, I LOVE IT!!!;)
gonna LOVE watching this episode and all the previous ones tomorrow!;)
booyakashaaaa!

[Cure]

So many smileys...

[raphfan84]

What an awesome episode!! Def my fav:tgrin:orite so far!!!

[CyberCubed]

Baxter's motivation was shallow so I hope he's fleshed out more in his next appearance which is apparently soon.

[Jester]

Sean Astin is well on his way to being my second favorite Raph.

"Seen this enough times there, chief?" shouldn't have made me laugh like it did.

[TheCanadiandrome]

This ep was great. I loved Stockman and thought Phil Lamarr did a great job. I loved his Kool-Aid bit and the fight scenes. Splinter was great in this episode as well, and I loved seeing Space Heroes again and hearing Leo deliver more cheesy lines. And I cracked up when Leo fell down like that. It was funny. Overall, a very good episode.

Favorite quotes:

Splinter: How many times have I told you not to skateboard in the Lair?
Mikey: None, Sensei.
Splinter: You should not have to be told.

Leo: Maybe he's gong to church.
Raph: With battle powered armor? What kind of church is that?
Mikey: A really awesome one.

Leo: Halt, villain!
Raph: Halt, villain? Seriously, when did we start talkin' like that?
Leo: We're heroes. It's how heroes talk.

yeah those quotes were great. and agreed, overall very well done. I'm totally loving this series

[FearlessLeader]

I really enjoyed the episode. The way the show is handling the characters to me is interesting. They are really starting at the roots of each character, like Baxter today and I think we are going to see them grow. Baxter might have been kind of a silly, loser today but you see potential for him to grow into a genuine villain.

I also find myself each week loving the Nick version of Leo more and more. He's just such a huge dork and thats such a great character attribute for him. His obsession with sci-fi is something completely new for him but it works so well. I also loved his mistake with the beehive and seeing just how much of a kid Leo is and it makes me so excited to actually witness his character growth over the course of this series!

I am surprised by the amount of people both on here and on Tumble that are wanting more April. Nothing against her character I like her, but I guess I am more concerned with seeing the guys fleshed out some more before I personally start to care about her I guess.

[Powder]

God, I love this show.

Not reading the rest of the thread, but did anyone else notice that when they chopped off Baxters arm it turned into the crawler droid from Turtles In Time? Mikey even got electrocuted with the same special effects!
http://i.imgur.com/TWv3q.gif

Thought that was one hell of an awesome, yet subtle nod.

[Jester]

I liked this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Futur-toidElectronics.jpg
That and Baxter's Mouser head helmet.

[Cure]

I hope that's the only reference that sh*t gets in this show.

[TheCanadiandrome]

lol! yes both awesome

[Jephael]

Not reading the rest of the thread, but did anyone else notice that when they chopped off Baxters arm it turned into the crawler droid from Turtles In Time? Mikey even got electrocuted with the same special effects!
http://i.imgur.com/TWv3q.gif

Thought that was one hell of an awesome, yet subtle nod.

I remember Leonardo getting shocked with the same effect during the second fight, but I don't remember it happening to Mikey. I'll have to wait until I get home from my sister's to watch it again on my DVR.

[sdp]

I didn't like that Baxter was only a threat because of an accident and that his actual robot suit he made wasn't anything special. I'd like to see him being smart, there are still chances to make up for that since it's his first appearance but if things continue like this it'd be sad that OT Baxter is more fleshed out than this version.

This episode was alright, I don't mind episodes like this and it's too early to judge but this show needs some more fleshed out episodes to have a nice mix.

I also don't like how the turtles disposed of Baxter like an 80s or even 90s cartoon, that doesn't fly that well anymore. They did the same thing last week.

[shinefra]

Just for curiosity why do you guys hate the fugitoid?

[Powder]

I remember Leonardo getting shocked with the same effect during the second fight, but I don't remember it happening to Mikey. I'll have to wait until I get home from my sister's to watch it again on my DVR.

Leo, Mikey, whatever. I may have gotten my turtles mixed up. Getting up at 11AM is hard for me. I was delirious.

Just for curiosity why do you guys hate the fugitoid?

It's one person. & that's because he's not a fan of the bulk of the content that is (more or less) exclusive to Mirage.

[NinjaMan]

I hope that's the only reference that sh*t gets in this show.

I thought it was already confirmed we would see him later?

[Jephael]

I may have gotten my turtles mixed up. Getting up at 11AM is hard for me. I was delirious.

You can always record it and sleep in. That's what they built the VCR... er DVR for!

[Vivi]

This episode was alright, I don't mind episodes like this and it's too early to judge but this show needs some more fleshed out episodes to have a nice mix.


Agreed. The first season of 2K3 had some pretty great story arcs going on (Think: The Shredder Strikes, The Shredder Strikes Back, Return To New York, The Search For Splinter) culminating in the invasion of the Utrom lab. So far this series is the funniest, but by no means the best story telling - or even suspense. But still early days.

This series is genuinely funny, though. And probably has my favourite Splinter.

[sdp]

I'll compare it to something like Teen Titans since this show draws a lot from said show, we had plenty of fun one off episodes but the arc stories really made brought the whole season together and made it very memorable. While TT was a lot of fun without the fun story arcs and more serious episodes the whole premise would've worn out much quicker than it did.

[CyberCubed]

If this episode script was pitched to PL he'd probably tear it to shreds in his blog.

An I-pod that upgrades armor with little to no explanation? Baxter's poor motivation to seek revenge? The Turtles using a beehive to stop the main villain? Too much slapstick humor?

Man if this was a 4kids plot it's be ripped to shreds.

[shinefra]

Agreed. The first season of 2K3 had some pretty great story arcs going on (Think: The Shredder Strikes, The Shredder Strikes Back, Return To New York, The Search For Splinter) culminating in the invasion of the Utrom lab. So far this series is the funniest, but by no means the best story telling - or even suspense. But still early days.

This series is genuinely funny, though. And probably has my favourite Splinter.

I definetly agree, the 2k3 turtles stories had me at the edge of my sit, I always wanted to know what was next, thats why I made a TMNT Marathon, with little sleep time :teek:

This new series is also great but lacks story telling, I still love it for what it is though, simple fun.

[The Stryker]

If this episode script was pitched to PL he'd probably tear it to shreds in his blog.

OH NO! What an awful fate! Truly something to be upset about! Boy oh boy.

[Utromshredderhater]

Kinda miss 2k3 Baxter's arrogance but at least this one keeps a body

[CyberCubed]

OH NO! What an awful fate! Truly something to be upset about! Boy oh boy.

PL doesn't like it when things aren't accurately explained.

For example, where did the chip to power up Baxter Suit actually come from? Don said he found it in a scrapyard, but it obviously must be some alien or government tech to do what it did.

Sadly I doubt the writers will ever explain it, and it'll probably be forgotten about.

[FearlessLeader]

2k3 had a lot of slow episodes to start with. It really didn't pick up until almost mid-season. I mean someone already mentioned Nano and Garbageman was an early episode. The skateboarding in this episode reminded me of Darkness on the Edge of Town (I believe that is the title and ilk am on my Kindle and too lazy to look it up).

I am still giving this show a chance before I decide what type of show it's going to be.

[Machias Banshee]

Alright, this was a fun episode... kind of an off-shoot from the major storyline, but still fun. Obviously, this was changed a bit from the original animatic we saw - there's no sneaking out to see a movie with April, but the turtles certainly get into some hot water.

I'll be nice and put it into spoiler tags for those who haven't seen it yet.. :) This is a write-up on the actual ep, with some of my thoughts mixed in.

The show opens with Splinter unsuccessfully trying to meditate, as the boys have trashed the lair with the remains of pizza partying and a large skate ramp. The way the boys try so hard to convince Splinter that they can just clean up and think about their actions. Unfortunately, they end up grounded for a week as a result.

Splinter Awesomeness will be all throughout this episode.

The turtles are getting a little stir crazy being stuck in the lair. Donnie excitedly shows off the music player that he made out of computer chips and parts from a military dump site. Raphael's not so excited about the T-Pod, as dubbed by Mike, and decides to sneak out and go skateboarding. The other three join him free-running on the rooftops, searching for a good set of stairs to grind. As they're running, Don finds that the T-Pod is downloading data right out of the open air at an incredible rate. It had to be something involving the special chips he got from the military dump.

Just as they find their skate spot, they come across a guy in some sort of homemade robotic gear - gear that doesn't exactly work. He's not exactly making any progress with his break-in, and the boys see that it's time to issue a beatdown. Unfortunately, their fight catches the attention of the police, and they throw into the guy into a dumpster before hightailing it back to the sewers.

The boys manage to get back unnoticed, much to Leo's worry. Sneaking out was a Bad idea. It's about to get a little bit worse, when Mike realizes that he's lost the T-Pod. But back at the dumpster, the guy finds the t-pod and plugs it into his headphones. The Chips in the T-Pod transform his gear and upgrade it's quality, not to mention giving a nice little Tron-esque glow effect.

Back at the lair, the apparent lack of sleep has gotten Splinter's attention - the boys can barely stay on their feet. After being on the receiving end of a Rondori ass-whupping, the boys catch a news alert about a deranged robot attacking the TCRI building in Brooklyn. Imagine their surprised when they see the guy from the night before, but in upgraded armor. That, and his name is Baxter Stockman. Apparently he got fired from his job, and went back to take revenge.

Don sees the T-Pod on Baxter's suit, and jumps all over Mike for losing it. Now the boys realize that they need to get the T-Pod back to keep Baxter from becoming too powerful. Leo wants to tell Splinter the truth, but the others are more interested in stopping Baxter and saving their hides.

The boys sneak out again and track down Baxter in an empty warehouse. They surround him and try to get the T-Pod, but Baxter has other ideas. It's a knock down drag out, with the boys bearing most of the knocking. In a fantastic ode to the Kool-Aid guy, Baxter triumphantly bursts through a wall, turtles in claw. He throws them into a dumpster and gloats about how he'll have his revenge with the use of the suit. Suddenly, the suit upgrades itself and merges with Baxter's body. The boys are running for their lives as the giant robot goes on a wrecking rampage.

They barely escape the wrath of Baxter, only to get caught by Splinter sneaking back into the lair. The boys finally admit what happened with them and Stockman - they can't exactly hide the fact they look like they've been hit by a bus. Splinter scolds them for their actions, and tells them they need to fix what they've done.

With the use of Mike as live bait, they lure Baxter out of hiding. Unfortunately, Baxter's been upgrading himself quite a bit, and the boys barely keep themselves in one piece. Working smart (and armed with angry bees), they work together to get the T-Pod, returning Baxter to his human self. They throw him into a dumpster and return home triumphant.

Splinter is pleased to hear the result of their mission, and is suspiciously willing to let them end their grounding. That is, after another round of Rondori for Everyone!

In all, this was a very fun episode - Splinter torturing the boys is always a plus. Baxter was a bit more pathetic here compared to other versions of TMNT that we've seen. Hopefully his character will develop throughout the series. I just hope he's not cut apart piece by piece....

[Ninjinister]

If this episode script was pitched to PL he'd probably tear it to shreds in his blog.

An I-pod that upgrades armor with little to no explanation? Baxter's poor motivation to seek revenge? The Turtles using a beehive to stop the main villain? Too much slapstick humor?

Man if this was a 4kids plot it's be ripped to shreds.

Literally no one cares.

[CyberCubed]

Literally no one cares.

Obviously people care because others have brought it up in this thread. Just because the show is funny and clever doesn't mean it can ignore good writing and proper continuity.

[TurtleTitan97]

PL doesn't like it when things aren't accurately explained.

For example, where did the chip to power up Baxter Suit actually come from? Don said he found it in a scrapyard, but it obviously must be some alien or government tech to do what it did.

Sadly I doubt the writers will ever explain it, and it'll probably be forgotten about.

Donnie said in the episode that he found it in a military junkyard.

[Coola Yagami]

I'll have my blog up sometime tonight... but my memory is foggy seeing as I saw this early in the morning and had a long day of work afterwards.

When did Splinter first thwack em with his kendo stick... when the Turtles were too sleepy during training... or when he caught them after the second time they fought Baxter? And what was that punishment called?

[CyberCubed]

It was called Randori.

[Coola Yagami]

It was called Randori.

thanks.

Also, I don't see what everyone is complaining about. In the original comics and 2K3 show, which started off copying the comics... Baxter's original motivation was... being evil is fun. April points out he could been rich legally just selling the mousers, but he wanted to douchey for doucheness sakes. Then he blames Aptil for everying and injects her with deadly nanobots...

So yeah, him wanting to get revenge for getting fired... probably in a 'I'll show them who's crazy' kinda way beats no motivation besides just being a douche for doucheness sakes...

[CyberCubed]

But apparently he got fired for something as silly as breaking a coffee machine.

Its not like he did something to cause the company to clean out his bank account or ruin his life or anything. This just didn't make sense. Also it makes Baxter evil for the sake of being evil, rather than being a guy with actual motivations.

Didn't Batman:TAS teach us that villains can't be one-dimensional?

[Coola Yagami]

But apparently he got fired for something as silly as breaking a coffee machine.

Its not like he did something to cause the company to clean out his bank account or ruin his life or anything. This just didn't make sense. Also it makes Baxter evil for the sake of being evil, rather than being a guy with actual motivations.

Didn't Batman:TAS teach us that villains can't be one-dimensional?

well... ignoring that one episode where Tempus Fugit became a super villian out to kill the mayor because he was late...

Still... I believe, like most villians, Baxter's motivation after having met and been defeated by the Turtles will be revenge against the Turtles.

[Coola Yagami]

Again, I loved the episode. I just kinda hate how everyone just forgot completely about April's father. I know the next ep will be about Don and April.. but then that makes it seems like the suddenly remembered April and her father all of a sudden.

[CyberCubed]

The jokes in this episode saved a rather lackluster and forgettable plot.

A lot of Mike's lines were pure gold as usual, especially the delivery. Seriously the, "I TOLD YOU HE WOULD CHASE ME!" line was hysterical.

Raph making fun of Leo's cheesiness and Splinter in general was great too.

[zkarlette]

I love this show so far...the writing is amazing and I really think they are doing an excellent job showing many sides of the turtle's personalities. Splinter is tough but really funny at the same time.
Maybe Baxter needed to have a little bit more of a story background, but everything else really made up for it.
Can't wait for next weeks episode.:D

[blue_angel99]

Funny episode. 4/5

Looked up the def for randori:
a term used in Japanese martial arts to describe free-style practice or sparring, sometimes with multiple attackers. The term literally means "chaos taking" or "grasping freedom," implying a freedom from the structured practice of kata.

I love how they use the official Japanese name in the series.

Question: In "Turtle Temper", what does Don mean as he insults Raph by saying, " Yeah and you don't keep your back straight when doing goku something something" ?

[Coola Yagami]

Funny episode. 4/5

Looked up the def for randori:
a term used in Japanese martial arts to describe free-style practice or sparring, sometimes with multiple attackers. The term literally means "chaos taking" or "grasping freedom," implying a freedom from the structured practice of kata.

I love how they use the official Japanese name in the series.

Question: In "Turtle Temper", what does Don mean as he insults Raph by saying, " Yeah and you don't keep your back straight when doing goku something something" ?

most likely that he sucks at doing that particular kata. I don't know the name of that one either.

Anyways, here are my thoughts- http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2012/10/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-5-i-think-his.html

speaking of which, I'm surprised in the episode 'Beneathe These Streets' of the OT Splinter was angry that the Turtles weren't practicing their daily katas. I don't remember that phrase being used in the old show.

[Xav]

So I had to catch this one after missing next week's episode when it premiered.How did you miss next week's episode?
Kinda miss 2k3 Baxter's arrogance but at least this one keeps a bodyThis is just his first appearance. We don't know how this version of Baxter will end up.

[Coola Yagami]

How did you miss next week's episode?
This is just his first appearance. We don't know how this version of Baxter will end up.

His time machine broke. Doncha just hate it when the flux capacitor goes on the fritz?

[Jester]

But apparently he got fired for something as silly as breaking a coffee machine.

Its not like he did something to cause the company to clean out his bank account or ruin his life or anything. This just didn't make sense. Also it makes Baxter evil for the sake of being evil, rather than being a guy with actual motivations.

Didn't Batman:TAS teach us that villains can't be one-dimensional?
Copy machine, Cubed, copy machine.

As for one dimensional villains, when you look that up in the dictionary, you find Ch'rell's picture....

[FearlessLeader]

Personally I feel like some people are being too hard on this show for only being 5 episodes into the plot :tcool:

[marcelangelo]

But apparently he got fired for something as silly as breaking a coffee machine.

Its not like he did something to cause the company to clean out his bank account or ruin his life or anything. This just didn't make sense. Also it makes Baxter evil for the sake of being evil, rather than being a guy with actual motivations.

Didn't Batman:TAS teach us that villains can't be one-dimensional?

you are ignoring here that baxter referred to that ALL HIS LIFE he was being misstreated...I think the example with the copy machine did leave too big an impression in your memory here..to me it serves more on the basis as a joke..

[marcelangelo]

I liked this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Futur-toidElectronics.jpg
That and Baxter's Mouser head helmet.

thanks, dude!thats exactl what I was talking about a page earlier;)...

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Agreed. The first season of 2K3 had some pretty great story arcs going on (Think: The Shredder Strikes, The Shredder Strikes Back, Return To New York, The Search For Splinter) culminating in the invasion of the Utrom lab. So far this series is the funniest, but by no means the best story telling - or even suspense. But still early days.

This series is genuinely funny, though. And probably has my favourite Splinter.

Yeah, that was before we knew about Shredder's origin. 2012 show is at least now much better. Less anime, and more TMNT.

The 2003 show begun nice, but soon the entire Earth, even towns, semed to be populated with not only humans, but also mutants, monsters, aliens, elfs, ghosts, werewolves, trolls, goblins, giants, dwarfs (mythological ones), vampires, demons, witches, fairies, zombies and other mythological stuff, ready to walk around the streets of New York, and sit in the seat next to you inside the bus on the way to work in the morning, and home in the afternoon. :) and still, TMNT had to hide in the sewers, or on a deserted Massachussets farm.

(1987 show/Archie had a bunch of mutants/Aliens who at least were hiding from town, just like TMNT, OK some were seen, but it was at least tackled better)

[FoxZerro]

Sean Astin is well on his way to being my second favorite Raph.

"Seen this enough times there, chief?" shouldn't have made me laugh like it did.


I liked that Leonardo was still upset when the show was preempted by the news even though he'd already seen it enough to quote it perfectly. Very realistic Teenage Behavior...

Also I'm pretty sure on some level Raph enjoys Space Heroes too. Clearly the lair is big enough for him to be somewhere else when Leo is watching it. I know I did the same thing plenty of times with my sister and shows she watched. I'd mock them and her but I would still be in the room watching it. In fact its the reason why I like Phineas and Ferb. Back on track since it seems as though Leo's motivation to be a leader comes from watching Space Heroes it could be the same in a small way for Raph and they are sowing the seeds for that eventual challenging of his authority storyline...

That or they are setting up for an episode where Donatello builds a device that accidnetally sends MIkey and Raph into the TV show and its revealed he knows a lot more about the world than one would think, but this isn't the OT so I doubt that will be the case

[Ninjinister]

Obviously people care because others have brought it up in this thread.

False. You're the only one delusional enough to bring Laird into this.

Copy machine, Cubed, copy machine.


I heard coffee too. Which is why I was like "Wouldn't it just be a coffee maker?"

Then again who the hell calls it a copy machine instead of copier?

[HerpDerp]

When he first talked about the copy machine (on the news report), I assumed he got fired for trying to photocopy his ass and breaking the machine in the process (maybe I've been watching too many sitcoms, but that's the first thing I associate with workplace photocopier incidents). I was kind of disappointed when he started talking about putting toner in the wrong place. :lol:

[Jephael]

I thought he was gonna say he got fired for hitting on a female co-worker. My mind tends to hit the gutter too easily.

[Redrumh2o]

My favorite part was when Baxter burst through the wall he said "oh yeah" like the Kool-Aid man

Im lovin the show so far

[Guitar_Raph]

Loved the part where Mikey skateboarded as well as dancing to that cool music on his Ipod. Man, he freaked over polka, wonder how he feels about jazz?

[tmntfan4ever]

my favorite parts/quote:
Donnie: You dropped it during the fight?! NICE GOING MIKEY!
Mikey: It's your fault!
Donnie: How's it my fault?
Mikey: You know I can't be trusted with nice things!

Leo: This has gone way too far. We have to tell Splinter about this!
Raph: What? That we turned some nut job into a super villain? Do you know what he'll do to us for that? I mean he pounded us into the ground just for being sleepy?!

Mikey: If my opinion counts for anything Donnie's right!
Donnie: Hey thanks Mikey! But it doesn't.
Mikey: Didn't think so (while reading comic/magazine) :tlol:

Also love Mikey's reaction to polka music on his t-pod and Mikey's dancing

[Xav]

2012 show is at least now much better. Less anime, and more TMNT.Less anime? I'm sorry but did you miss all the anime expressions in the show?
False. You're the only one delusional enough to bring Laird into this.It is true though that Laird probability wouldn't approve of an episode like this.

[shinefra]

What I like about the animation is that sometimes I looks more like stop motion than CG to me, specially at the end where stockman gets defeated, he kinda reminded me of the california Raisins. :P

Or maybe it's just me I dunno. :o

[CyberCubed]

Less anime? I'm sorry but did you miss all the anime expressions in the show?
It is true though that Laird probability wouldn't approve of an episode like this.

Episode script would have been rejected if it were a 4kids ep.

[Ciro]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

[CyberCubed]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Everyone here is just joking around. The show is pretty much universally loved by most fans here.

[Jephael]

Way to go, CyberCubed. You just pissed off the dude who created the new show!

[CyberCubed]

Way to go, CyberCubed. You just pissed off the dude who created the new show!

The guy is obviously being sarcastic. Nobody is going to be bothered by people talking about scripts from an older show, especially people who work professionally in the industry.

[Cure]

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.


I don't mean this in a "good riddance" kind of way, but I hope you mean it. The people here have awful ideas that shouldn't even be humored.

[TurtleTitan97]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Please don't leave Ciro. Alot of us are really enjoying the new show. I know I am. :)

[CyberCubed]

I don't mean this in a "good riddance" kind of way, but I hope you mean it. The people here have awful ideas that shouldn't even be humored.

The scripts of the show are written months in advance before they air. All of Season 1 is done writing wise, whatever will happen for Season 2 is in the planning stages now.

[Jephael]

The people here have awful ideas that shouldn't even be humored.

Yea and the other half of the forum members are condescending jerks!

[MrTMNT2012]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Ok I know I'm new around here but do we have any proof that this is the real Ciro Nieli?

If it is then, I want him to know everyone is loving the show so far! (Even if he was being sarcastic in that comment about leaving) :)

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Ciro, I really hope you're not gone for good. Some people here are just too clingy to Mirage and 2K3, and just can't let go. (I'll admit I'm the same way with the OT and Archie).

The episode was a lot of fun! I loved seing Baxter as a taunted loser who was tired of being stepped on. They even set up how Baxter builds his future Tech. (The left behind suit remained upgraded, so he can reverse engineer it, or he was able to study it's components for reverse engineering before the final battle when he was defeated), thus explaining where the mousers come from).

The only thing I would've changed was having the chip be recovered from the Kraang's headquaters during thier rescue mission in the first ep, but that's just me.

[marcelangelo]

What I like about the animation is that sometimes I looks more like stop motion than CG to me, specially at the end where stockman gets defeated, he kinda reminded me of the california Raisins. :P

Or maybe it's just me I dunno. :o

hahaha, no its not just you compadre!;)I ve been thinking about the california raisins too;)
but I really like that look, it means that the computer animation is so good at creating these surfaces that our brains automaticly assume this to be real objects and be lit by real light as everything else...its a testimony of how good the show#s visuals are actually...
I mentioned this clay look a fes episodes back already..(but wuld anybody believe me?NO..cause you all just think im some kind of bone head..)

yo, ciro don't bogue on it dude, there are just as many here who really enjoy what you are doing and love the past things for what they are(hello!;)..).that doesn't mean that we have to connect everything to what s been done before, as splinter says:
'life is good and life goes on.'...(brilliant.so easy.so true.)


;)
p.s.:yeah, herpderp, I was thinking about that same thing!hahahaha

[rav4ge]

This was my favorite episode thus far alongside the two-part premiere. I'm liking Baxter Stockman's character in this one - he's more like a vengeful geek than a brilliant entrepreneurial scientist. The fight scenes with him were really good, too. Always good to see that the Turtles have limits as to what they can handle.

Dialogue was also great - I laughed when Raph said "Do you know what [Splinter] will do to us for that? I mean, he pounded us into the ground just for being sleepy!"

Additionally, Splinter is really becoming a strong character in this series. I like how he's dedicated to seriously training the Turtles, but he has a sense of humor when it comes to parenting. The relationship between them is just spot-on, miles ahead of what the 2k3 series offered.

[MikeandRaph87]

Ciro, I really hope you're not gone for good. Some people here are just too clingy to Mirage and 2K3, and just can't let go. (I'll admit I'm the same way with the OT and Archie).

The episode was a lot of fun! I loved seing Baxter as a taunted loser who was tired of being stepped on. They even set up how Baxter builds his future Tech. (The left behind suit remained upgraded, so he can reverse engineer it, or he was able to study it's components for reverse engineering before the final battle when he was defeated), thus explaining where the mousers come from).


I second every word of this! Its the '87 cartoon,but it stands very well on its own. We are going to have nitpicks about anything. Its just us bigger fans tend to be more protective of the franhise is all and yeah clingy to what we like best as well. I have a couple of problems with rhe Nick cartoon just like anyone would have a problem or two with an version of practially anything,but because it will never be done perfectly let alone to many different people with slgihlty different taste.

[shinefra]

hahaha, no its not just you compadre!;)I ve been thinking about the california raisins too;)
but I really like that look, it means that the computer animation is so good at creating these surfaces that our brains automaticly assume this to be real objects and be lit by real light as everything else...its a testimony of how good the show#s visuals are actually...
I mentioned this clay look a fes episodes back already..(but wuld anybody believe me?NO..cause you all just think im some kind of bone head..)



Hahahaha I'm glad I'm not the only one, now that you mention it the animation is way better than I thought, some times they really do look like objects.

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Yes there is nothing but horrible people here. :teek:

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

Ths is my favorite episode so far! My first apperance in Nick cartoon! I almost killed the turtles i was so close to destroy them! But next time they will not escape me:):)

[The Big Bad]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

I can't speak for everyone here, but I, personally, do have a sense of humor. You just haven't said anything funny.

In any case, feel free to leave: you owe us nothing, and nobody's making you stay, so if you don't enjoy the place, there's no point in trying to convince you to do otherwise. That said, nobody made you come here, either, and I, personally, do not appreciate you insulting people just because they happen to hold opinions that you disagree with but are otherwise innocuous, or because they occasionally imply that a particular creator is not the second coming of Jane Austen.

Yes, the thoughts and opinions expressed here are sometimes (often?) incredibly frustrating. Yes, you're perfectly allowed to take umbrage and/or offense at them, and to explain why you do or don't agree. You do not, however, get to just come in here and insult a community you are not a part of. Whether you're a creator or not--and I have no reason to believe you aren't--this is not the behavior of someone who is acting in good faith; it's the behavior of a troll. Don't be a troll; it's not a good look on anyone.

(And if the post was meant to be sarcastic, then your tone needs work.)

[CyberCubed]

???

People can have valid criticisms of the show. I just wish Baxter's motivation or backstory were handled better.

The guy who worked at TCRI wasn't a Kraang so I hope it leads to something later on.

[Jester]

*reads some of the last few pages "criticisms"*
Yep, certainly need a better screening process....

[shinefra]

???

People can have valid criticisms of the show. I just wish Baxter's motivation or backstory were handled better.

The guy who worked at TCRI wasn't a Kraang so I hope it leads to something later on.

The show is not as dark as the 2K3 so Baxter doesn’t need a deep background story, besides he is just a guy who is pissed at life and people, that tends to happen, and at least It’s a better origin than tempestra's “lightning hit an arcade machine and came to life story” don’t you think?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Ths is my favorite episode so far! My first apperance in Nick cartoon! I almost killed the turtles i was so close to destroy them! But next time they will not escape me:):)

I think you're confusing yourself with that fictional guy named Baxter Stockman.

[CyberCubed]

The show is not as dark as the 2K3 so Baxter doesn’t need a deep background story, besides he is just a guy who is pissed at life and people, that tends to happen, and at least It’s a better origin than tempestra's “lightning hit an arcade machine and came to life story” don’t you think?

Baxter is human with shallow motivation, Tempestra was a computer chip brought to life and kept her programming.

[shinefra]

Baxter is human with shallow motivation, Tempestra was a computer chip brought to life and kept her programming.

Still a better story.

If someone gets pushed by other people to many times it can create a monster (I don't see why Baxter's motives are shallow), but if lighting strikes on stuff it just gets fried.

Im not saying that Baxters Background Story it's better because it's more realistic but because its better explained.

[alliance]

Honestly each episode is better than the last one for me, im loving this so much

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I would also restate what was already said earlier in this thread, Baxter's movation in Mirage, where his character originated, was "Because it's fun!" I could easily see Peter Laird, who wrote that story, approving this Baxter!

[Raph's Girl]

I just like to say that I rather enjoyed the ep. I felt sorry for Baxter tho. He was basically being bullied. Oh and I just like to say "Bees! My God!" :P

Also, Splinter's kinda abusive. Somebody should call CPS. :P

Incidentally, Crankshaw (the guy Capt Ryan keeps on slapping) is voiced by Scott Menville (Robin in Teen Titans).

Funny thing is Scott was also Bucky in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes with Brian Bloom (Capt Ryan) who was Capt. America.

[NinjaMan]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Ciro if you read this know that me, my wife and 3 year old all love your version. In fact this is my favorite version of the show. I love the designs and everything. Don't let a few negative Nancys chase you off. A lot of us here love the show.

[zkarlette]

After all the skepticism I really love this show! So back of Cubed!:x

[The Stryker]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

I like this guy!

Except that I did miss the Burton days while watching Nolan's tripe. Besides that you right dawg, you right. This dude actually involved with the show?


I don't mean this in a "good riddance" kind of way, but I hope you mean it. The people here have awful ideas that shouldn't even be humored.

This too. Also the amount of two-faced ass kissing that goes on when a staff member around is astounding. Hate everywhere but as soon as someone official is on the scene 'Oh boy! I love you so much! Please read my Triceraton fanfiction! Love the show!'

[BubblyShell22]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Ciro, I would like to take this time to applaud you and everyone else who's involved with this show. You guys have done a fantastic job, and I couldn't be happier with the finished product. I'm not going to get mad if you leave as I can understand why you would feel this way, but just know, as others have said, that you do have people who love the show. I'm going to keep watching because it just gets better and better.

As for Stockman's motivations, I thought they were sound. He's been bullied and ridiculed all his life, and he wants revenge for all the times he's been hurt and looked down upon. That's something anyone can relate to in today's society.

Keep up the good work, Ciro. If you do decide to leave, it was an honor having you here and posting to us fans.

[shinefra]

Who is this Ciro guy anyway?

[Ninjinister]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

I seriously want to hug you now. Because that was just awesome.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Who is this Ciro guy anyway?

A nice guy who works on the Nick TMNT show who also has decided to interact with the fanbase.

And you all chased him off.

[shinefra]

A nice guy who works on the Nick TMNT show who also has decided to interact with the fanbase.

And you all chased him off.

Wow how immature of him, just because somebody compared his show with the 2K3, It's not like anybody said it sucks. On the contrary almost everybody in the forum thinks its pretty good. This sort of thing is very common between fans.

Also I don't think calling your fans "Depressing was a good idea". :trolleye:

[The Stryker]

To be fair. I always get alittle depressed whenever I see that Cybercubed still exists.

[Candy Kappa]

Was a fun episode, a wee bit overboard with the anime expressions

[CyberCubed]

I am certain he wasn't being serious. Nobody who professionally works in the entertainment business is going to be upset about people comparing the Nick show to the previous cartoon. Writers are not thin-skinned and know good and well new iterations will always be compared to previous versions.

As of now I do feel like 4kids Baxter had better characterization in his debut ep, with his financial backer being Shredder and the promise of looking at alien artifacts.

This Baxter pretty much got angry because he broke a coffee machine at his job, I am hoping for a little more development than this.

[Candy Kappa]

This Baxter pretty much got angry because he broke a coffee machine at his job, I am hoping for a little more development than this.

Seems more like Baxter being fired was the straw that broke the camel's back, then just being angry over one instance.

[CyberCubed]

Seems more like Baxter being fired was the straw that broke the camel's back, then just being angry over one instance.

I dunno, that one worker seemed pretty happy to see him.

If that was the TCRI building it seems humans work there and not just the Kraang.

[Candy Kappa]

I dunno, that one worker seemed pretty happy to see him.

did you not pay attention to the episode?

the rant Baxter had about how everyone ridiculed him and made fun of him since childhood?

[Jester]

Ah, see there's the rub. It all goes back to the "Can Baxter work as a solo villain or does have have to be the main villain's lacky?" I have little problem with this Baxter. Maybe it's because I was once a put-upon working stiff that I can relate to a guy who feels that he can't get ahead and wants his come-upins. Besides, Baxter's 4Kids debut was in 2 episodes, this Baxter has had half the time to get any development. Give the man some time.

[CyberCubed]

I kinda hope he gets driven insane by his humiliation. Either way I think it's obvious he comes up with the Mousers from the tech in this armor. Everyone noticed the Mouser head that latched into Leo.

I think this is the first Baxter other than the OT that isn't the owner of his own company in Stocktronics.

[MrTMNT2012]

Is that really Ciro Nieli on this Forum? Are there any proof?

[sdp]

There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to complain, I mean this stockman had a very childish and weak motivation, now he may be redeemed later on but so far he is the weakest stockman and that's saying a lot since OT stockman was there, his motivation seems out of an 80s or early 90s cartoon. Hard to take seriously. I also didn't like his afro or character design much but then again most humans in the show haven't been good either.

I think Stockman can easily be redeemed later on but there is no doubt his first appearance left a lot to be desired. The only main gripe and it's a big one that I have is that the episode also made him seem like a B-list supervillian only being a threat because of an accident and his actual genius only made this ridiculous suit that was not even a threat.

I'd love to see this Stockman eventually mutate to a fly though, maybe he can lose parts of his body and to recreate them he accidentally becomes a fly.

[gobo]

When my DVR decided not to record the ep Saturday morning, I should have taken that as a sign. Instead, I watched an encore presentation. I'll never get that half-hour of my life back. What a wimpy follow-up to last week's ep...

[The Stryker]

Does every character have to have some insanely deep and dark backstory? This Baxter is clearly meant to be goofy and bumbling so far. I'd rather have this over the cliched and boring 2k3 version.

But then again I like having fun when I watch cartoons made for children so maybe I'm missing the point. I don't really concern myself with questions like 'Is he threatening enough?' or 'What are the other characters doing? EXPLAIN TO MEEEE'

[Machias Banshee]

..I can't believe you guys drove off the Executive producer for the show....

This is the same bullcrap that drove off the Mirage guys from ever coming here. Dammit...

[NinjaMan]

Maybe Ciro will change his mind and come back? I hope so.

[TurtleTitan97]

Maybe Ciro will change his mind and come back? I hope so.

Same here, dude.

[Utromshredderhater]

Did anyone else realize that Raph got the Cork screw blow

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is that really Ciro Nieli on this Forum? Are there any proof?

Well, he explained who Don's pet (Chong) was named after.

[CyberCubed]

..I can't believe you guys drove off the Executive producer for the show....

This is the same bullcrap that drove off the Mirage guys from ever coming here. Dammit...

Pretty much all that was said was that Baxter's debut in the 4kids series was done better, at least IMO. An overreaction to something as simple as preference makes little sense.

I liked this episode, but I wasn't too keen on Baxter himself. Not sure why this prompted such a debate.

[Rooish]

Ciro, people LOVE this show! I see mostly glee mixed with constructive criticism. But yes, fans are never fully happy, so I guess we can be depressing. We will keep watching the show and getting our fix though!

The humour and character interactions and script and animation and action in the show are great. I agree that sometimes the plots are a bit weak (and yes PL would have thought this Baxter was a wussy villain). April's character hasn't been handled well yet and we are just worried because she is a big part of TMNT. It is a kid's show so the plot doesn't need to be particularly tight--but we are mostly older, so that sort of thing frustrates us. Doesn't mean the show isn't 100% enjoyable.

Splinter's a bit, uh, violent towards his kids though!

On an unrelated note, I never much liked Fugitoid either, mostly because he was when the series got all sci-fi (I mean, besides the mutant turtles part).

[Vivi]

Ths is my favorite episode so far! My first apperance in Nick cartoon! I almost killed the turtles i was so close to destroy them! But next time they will not escape me:):)

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt241/vivi_letigre/COPYMACHINE.jpg

[stardustcrusade]

do you guys all pine for the Tim Burton days when you watch the Nolan Batman films?

great news, they just finished that time machine, its 2003 again!

im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.

Dude we love your show! I like how it focus each turtle in their own way!

[Keno]

I love this show because it makes me laugh out loud while watching it and to be honest I'm a 30 year old bitter cynical miserable person and nothing ever really makes me laugh anymore so I'm glad some of the moments of this show do. :lol:

Anyways, I kind of missed the part where they sneak off to go to a movie as mentioned in all the previews? I thought they were just going skateboarding? lol

[Vivi]

I can't speak for everyone here, but I, personally, do have a sense of humor. You just haven't said anything funny.

In any case, feel free to leave: you owe us nothing, and nobody's making you stay, so if you don't enjoy the place, there's no point in trying to convince you to do otherwise. That said, nobody made you come here, either, and I, personally, do not appreciate you insulting people just because they happen to hold opinions that you disagree with but are otherwise innocuous, or because they occasionally imply that a particular creator is not the second coming of Jane Austen.

Yes, the thoughts and opinions expressed here are sometimes (often?) incredibly frustrating. Yes, you're perfectly allowed to take umbrage and/or offense at them, and to explain why you do or don't agree. You do not, however, get to just come in here and insult a community you are not a part of. Whether you're a creator or not--and I have no reason to believe you aren't--this is not the behavior of someone who is acting in good faith; it's the behavior of a troll. Don't be a troll; it's not a good look on anyone.


A very reasonable assessment.

The internet is not the best place to go to if you want people to make you feel good about yourself, but in any case most people dig the show.

[ToTheNines]

Wow... that really lowered my opinion of Ciro. I mean, I definitely wouldn't come here either if I were him, but that smart-assed hissy-fit "goodbye post" was just plain lame.

Doesn't change how I feel about the show though, it still kicks ass. Funniest part was definitely the whole "he might be going to Church" moment, and the fights with Stockman were sweet.

This TCRI business has me very curious. It seems like the Kraang have no connection (I could be wrong though), so what if... Utroms are on Earth, too?

[Kendamu]

I'm not shocked that Ciro was driven away. It seems that the Mirage guys refused to come here. Also, there was the whole thing where Stephen Murphy shut down and deleted his entire (extremely awesome) blog back when. There was also that whole thing where the Lionsgate guys came and asked people to be interviewed for Season 7 and they were met with a ton of apprehension.

Honestly, it's pretty run-of-the-mill for the Technodrome. Not that that's a good thing.

[Ninjinister]

Wow... that really lowered my opinion of Ciro. I mean, I definitely wouldn't come here either if I were him, but that smart-assed hissy-fit "goodbye post" was just plain lame.


We wouldn't have this problem if people weren't such right c**ts. I'm pretty sure anybody who is proud of their job would take it poorly if somebody talked s**t about it right in front of them.

[CyberCubed]

I'm not shocked that Ciro was driven away. It seems that the Mirage guys refused to come here. Also, there was the whole thing where Stephen Murphy shut down and deleted his entire (extremely awesome) blog back when. There was also that whole thing where the Lionsgate guys came and asked people to be interviewed for Season 7 and they were met with a ton of apprehension.

Honestly, it's pretty run-of-the-mill for the Technodrome. Not that that's a good thing.

Why did Murphy close down his blog anyway? I thought that was more due to the fact that he lost interest in the Turtles after being burned out by the franchise. I certainly don't recall any negative comments on his blog.

And I just re-read through this entire thread, and I did not see a single thing that would cause anyone to raise an eyebrow. I think the only thing that might have bugged him was saying Peter Laird would reject this if it was a 4kids script, but honestly, that was all in good fun and probably the truth....if you read some of the first draft 4kids scripts on PL's blog they had similar moments to this episode.

I didn't really dig the whole beehive thing, but as long as that is kept to a minimum in future eps.

[The Stryker]

It just comes off as disrespect to me. It's fine and dandy to dislike things about the show but to sit there and say 'If this was done by the 2k3 people it would be betterrrrrr.' is just sh*tty.

Where did the 2k3 show get you? For all of these things they did 'better' where did the franchise stand when it was over? Hell after 2 seasons?

The toilet

[CyberCubed]

Where did the 2k3 show get you? For all of these things they did 'better' where did the franchise stand when it was over? Hell after 2 seasons?

All shows go through a hype and decline period, then they die off, and then the cycle begins again. That's how most shows actually work, there's interest for the first 3 or so seasons, then most people drop off besides the hardcore fans, and then by the end the show finally comes to its conclusion.

You can say that for about any show in existence.

[The Stryker]

All shows go through a hype and decline period, then they die off, and then the cycle begins again. That's how most shows actually work, there's interest for the first 3 or so seasons, then most people drop off besides the hardcore fans, and then by the end the show finally comes to its conclusion.

You can say that for about any show in existence.

The 2k3 show barely sparked any interest at all. It was all with hardcores that were going to go gaga for it regardless. Most people still don't know it existed homie!

There's a life to the franchise now that hasn't been seen since the original show. It's not quite up there but it's going.

[CyberCubed]

The 2k3 show barely sparked any interest at all. It was all with hardcores that were going to go gaga for it regardless. Most people still don't know it existed homie!

There's a life to the franchise now that hasn't been seen since the original show. It's not quite up there but it's going.

And the only reason for this is because it airs on Nickelodeon, not some obscure Saturday morning block that didn't even air in some parts of the U.S.

Also with Nick owning the franchise, they can promote it an air advertisements making the public aware of its existence. 4kids on the other hand was running off Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh money and wasn't as insanely rich as Viacom is.

[FearlessLeader]

I am kind of baffled by this entire turn of events.

What is a fandom message board for if not to post both positive and negative opinions about whatever the fandom topic is.

I am especially baffled because people have generally been positive about the show and most of the complaints have just been little nit picky fanboy things that you are going to see anywhere in any fandom.

I always felt with the Mirage guys it was different because topics about them generally ended up with less to do with the Turtles and more to do with people personally bashing the Mirage guys. I couldn't blame them for not coming here.

I mean the personalities in this place have ups and downs and I come and go because of that myself, but I don't see any reason to call any member of this forum out for this thread. Everyone, up until people decided to start name calling other board members in the last few pages, has remained polite and pretty much complimentary.

Getting back to the whole Batman analogy, why couldn't I love both the Burton and the Nolan versions for different reasons and have things I like and don't like about both.

I mean now I feel like I can't even mention the 2003 show in any of these threads for fear someone may misinterpret my words and think I am simply bashing the new show which I would never do I love it. I find this whole notion just silly!

[The Stryker]

And the only reason for this is because it airs on Nickelodeon, not some obscure Saturday morning block that didn't even air in some parts of the U.S.

Also with Nick owning the franchise, they can promote it an air advertisements making the public aware of its existence. 4kids on the other hand was running off Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh money and wasn't as insanely rich as Viacom is.


You can hype and promote something all you want. If it doesn't click, it doesn't click. They're obviously doing SOMETHING right. Don't continue to be dumb.

[Ninjinister]

The 2k3 show barely sparked any interest at all. It was all with hardcores that were going to go gaga for it regardless. Most people still don't know it existed homie!


Maybe in your neck of the woods, but pretty much every casual fan I know around here watched it for the first season at least, and for a long time there was *constantly* some kids perusing the Turtles section of the store. Hell even as far as Back to the Sewer, there was one kid I saw that was upset because his mom wanted to buy him, as he said, "Dumb I-earn Man" instead of "Raph". And then he was disappointed that the Raph didn't look like he did on TV (it was a movie Raph).

I do think it's dumb to use the 2003 series as the stick to measure the entire franchise by, though.

[Clockwork]

Don't worry guys, I'm still here.

-Kenny

[Jester]

Please...nobody kill Kenny.

Gah, I even hate myself for that one....

[Heather Breckel]

Hate to see Ciro scared off! I hope he comes back at some point. I've appreciated how people from behind the scenes of various properties have started to interact with the fans. I've tried to do the same thing on the stuff I work on. While I've had my share of nastiness thrown my way here and there, I've never taken it personally. (never had anyone be nasty to me here :tsmile:)

[sdp]

Well while it's always good to interact and have members of cast in forums I prefer to not have them if the integrity of the forum is going to be jeopardized. There are many fan forums were negative comments are pretty much banned in one way or another and there isn't true freedom of opinion in them.

Sure Ciro might not post here anymore and that's a shame but I'd rather be able to comment that an episode is mediocre than having tons of "Another great episode!" sucking up even if said episode was average.

[Keno]

Also I'm pretty sure on some level Raph enjoys Space Heroes too. Clearly the lair is big enough for him to be somewhere else when Leo is watching it. I know I did the same thing plenty of times with my sister and shows she watched. I'd mock them and her but I would still be in the room watching it. In fact its the reason why I like Phineas and Ferb.

Haha my bro was exactly the same way, only with music. He had a fave band and he said to me "Don't you dare like them, they're mine!" But since he would listen to the same CD on repeat...one day I found myself singing the lyrics and I was like "uh oh he's gonna kill me!"

Anyways...I don't understand what happened to this thread either. I didn't think we were all being "depressing" ...

Nothing is perfect. All (most) artists accept that...

[Luzmagica]

Just sharing my prefers for this great chapter:

Love the first secuence Splinter is meditating! Beautiful! Awesome! :D
Love all Michelangelo skating, dancing and freaking for the Polka song! :lol:
Laugh hard with the guy Capt Ryan keeps on slapping, I presume it willnot be the last time!!! !!!! :lol: :lol: !!
Love all the familiar interaction between Splinter and our guys, ....I guess Splinter actually knowed why the were so sleepy when he said about the thuth were the most hurting at Randori!!! :lol: He must be so pissed about his sons lie to him!
Love so much the Donny work with the "tpod" , how excited is always about his interest in machines!!!! :tlove:
Love how silent can be Leo sometimes!!!! LOL!! I like he make mistakes as pre-big leader...not a perfect son from the begining! he is a teen!
Love all the Baxter´d issue and fights!!!
Laugh when boys come back to home and explain about be crashed by a bus! ...LOL!!!
Laugh a lot with last secuence of First....... Randori! Those faces were so funny!!!

I miss the secuence where Mikey can see the pizza-restaurant meanwhile he is hang with nunchakus!....

I :tlove: this show!!!!

Cant wait for more!

[Coola Yagami]

yeah... the 2K3 TMNT were basically unnoticed. Many people I know didn't even know there was a new show at the time... and when the 2007 movie appeared noone knew who the hell Karai was despite her being a major character in the 03 toon by then.

Nowadays it seems everyone I know (even the non-cartoon watching people) know about this new show. Maybe not watch it, but at least heard of it being new and airing on Nick.

I also wanna say, I love how fatherly Splinter is with the turtles in this version. It's very clear to see a father and son bond, without the Turtles having to call him father every 5 minutes...

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

did anybody else see this? the OT turtle's heads in the display from Baxter's "mouser's" point of view? I thought that was pretty cool!

[Lil G]

When "someone of importance" says he's going to leave the forum, and some of you guys kiss butt as if he's the greatest thing to ever walk this Earth. i find it hilarious.
But seriously Ciro? Leaving the forum over opinions? Thats what forums are for, get used to it or get out. Plain and simple.

[Xav]

We wouldn't have this problem if people weren't such right c**ts. I'm pretty sure anybody who is proud of their job would take it poorly if somebody talked s**t about it right in front of them.I'm sorry but no one forced him to read this forum. People shouldn't have to be worried about making negative about a show, in the off chance one of the creators of the show happens to be looking at these forums at the moment.

[Powder]

All the people who were sounding off at the Facebook page farrrrrrrr surpass our most negative negatives.

[The Stryker]

Once again the whole thing just flies over the heads of the Drome masses and they overreact to the wrong thing.

He's not saying you can't criticize the show. He was pretty much responding to Cybercubed's whole '2k3 creative process was better' bullcrap.

It translates into: "Stop living in the past and don't take things so seriously all the time"

[Xav]

I don't see what's so shocking about comparing this to an older version of the franchise. That's kind of expected.

[The Stryker]

It's Accepted.

But it's wasn't really comparing that Cubed was doing. It was 'These guys are hacks that have no standards. I want Laird and the 2K3 crew back because they know how to make a good show.'

Anybody with any sort of pride would be alittle irked by that.

[marcelangelo]

Well while it's always good to interact and have members of cast in forums I prefer to not have them if the integrity of the forum is going to be jeopardized. There are many fan forums were negative comments are pretty much banned in one way or another and there isn't true freedom of opinion in them.

Sure Ciro might not post here anymore and that's a shame but I'd rather be able to comment that an episode is mediocre than having tons of "Another great episode!" sucking up even if said episode was average.

dudes, average, good or bad all depends on the point of view of the viewer...what you find bad I may actually like..so regarding what was the critique on the first episodes here I wouldn't say that ANYONE did 'sucking up'...or did you spot that anywhere?
and I think you mean that people's statements on fan forums can be deleated or banned but not for being critisizing but for being offendive, or did I get this wrong?

@fearless leader:I think ciros point was that one should not always measure the current version of a franchise with another iteration of it.that doesn't contradict that you may like both versions for their own reasons and/or dislike some things about each at the same time

[BubblyShell22]

I think Ciro was upset that Cubed posted that if Laird saw this script, he would reject and find Baxter Stockman stupid. I disagree because Stockman isn't stupid by any means. He has a real motivation for getting revenge as I said before. And since Laird sold the property to Nickelodeon in the first place because he was burned out on TMNT, there's really nothing he can do about it. Sure, he can dislike it all he wants, but this is the way things are now.

And I agree about living in the past. Ciro made a good point there. I liked the 2K3 show as well, but I've accepted that that particular incarnation has come and gone. Now we have a new incarnation, and I couldn't be happier with it. It's a different take on the Turtles, and I love it. People who don't get that or who don't want to accept that are narrow-minded. You can find nitpicks about the show all you want, but people like Cubed who act like 2K3 is better than anything else really need to grow up. No incarnation is "better" than the other. They all compliment each other in their own way.

[VaughnMichael]

..I can't believe you guys drove off the Executive producer for the show....

This is the same bullcrap that drove off the Mirage guys from ever coming here. Dammit...
Amongst other people including long time fans.:roll:

I was really happy with this episode, and like this Richard Pryor looking Baxter lol
The only thing I could even possibly gripe about was the beehive and how it was used but I'm willing to look past it because of how fun it was and how fantastic the characters all looked including Baxter.
The Mouser looking touches to Baxter's outfits I found to be some of the most creative redesigns in this show thus far.
I'm glad we're getting a toy of the second form as I feel that is the best design.
I hope we get more nods to things even if some people may not like them.
Really looking forward to more Baxter and is it known for a fact that the Kraang work for/at T.C.R.I.? Because if not the Utroms could be around as well.

[dkram230]

I'm very much surprised at Ciro's response to the criticism on this thread. I absolutely love the new series and while I like some episodes better than others, I think they've all been fantastic. I couldn't have asked for a better revamp. I don't remember ever laughing so hard at TMNT and the action sequences are nothing short of amazing. Pure fun! And when I identify simple plot progressions like the explanation for Stockman's motives, it doesn't bother me because at the end of the day this show is targeted at KIDS. Something, IMO, that was sometimes forgotten in the 2K3 series. That isn't to say adults can't enjoy this either, but that's not who the writers are trying to connect with. Now assuming we get a "Transformerish" PG-13 style TMNT movie in 2014, I will go into that with different expectations regarding plot progression because the Target audience will be wider than the Nick series.

That being said, speculation comments such as "Laird probability wouldn't approve of an episode like this. " or "Episode script would have been rejected if it were a 4kids ep." are in fact most likely true. But just because Laird or 4Kids wouldn't have wanted it for their series doesn't make this take any less enjoyable or wrong. We already saw that interpretation of the characters/story and now a different team is giving theirs. And I as of this point, I happen to love both. Much in how I enjoy the Mirage, Archie, Image, and IDW style on TMNT comics. Each has their own different flavor. I recently saw the new Footloose movie and was bored to tears. It was basically a complete rehash of the 80's classic. Left me wondering, why did they bother?! The production staff for that movie had no originality.

Going back to Ciro's response, I question if that user is in fact Ciro Nieli. I don't know the Drome's verification process for TMNT staff, but the response seemed like a PR nightmare by targeting and attacking a segment of its market base (even if not its target). If that comment was left on Twitter and not buried in a forum like this, it would probably get a lot of attention like the Jason Biggs fiasco. I just question its validity.

[The Stryker]

I doubt a non-celebrity saying something vaguely negative about a really small portion of the fanbase would get attention from TMZ or whatever. It doesn't really matter at all.

[dkram230]

I doubt a non-celebrity saying something vaguely negative about a really small portion of the fanbase would get attention from TMZ or whatever. It doesn't really matter at all.

Normally I would agree with you, but the comment was allegedly from the executive producer of the series which carries weight. I too don't think such a scenario would ever make TMZ headlines like a Chuck Lorre comment would, but I could see articles written from online media outlets like IGN under the title, "Executive Producer for New TMNT Series Thinks Long Time Fans are Depressing."

[CyberCubed]

I
Going back to Ciro's response, I question if that user is in fact Ciro Nieli. I don't know the Drome's verification process for TMNT staff, but the response seemed like a PR nightmare by targeting and attacking a segment of its market base (even if not its target). If that comment was left on Twitter and not buried in a forum like this, it would probably get a lot of attention like the Jason Biggs fiasco. I just question its validity.

Agreed. You'd think the staff would be glad that we were comparing this show to previous incarnations which were well received.

When the 4kids series came out in 2003 people constantly compared it to the original toon, so logically when the Nick show came out people were going to compare it to the 4kids series...and to the old cartoon.

By that logic why is it everytime there's a new incarnation of Batman or Spiderman do people keep bringing up past versions? That's what fandom does, we always compare new iterations to older ones and see what's better or worse.

[Zany Orange Dude]

I hope Nick shows this episode again soon because I had to miss it due to visiting a college campus.

[HerpDerp]

I hope Nick shows this episode again soon because I had to miss it due to visiting a college campus.

There's a repeat Thursday night at 8pm. :)

[dkram230]

I hope Nick shows this episode again soon because I had to miss it due to visiting a college campus.

They've been replaying the most recent episode on Thursday evenings at 7pm central. Hope you get to see it!

edit: Yea, what he said LOL
There's a repeat Thursday night at 8pm. :)

[shinefra]

When "someone of importance" says he's going to leave the forum, and some of you guys kiss butt as if he's the greatest thing to ever walk this Earth. i find it hilarious.
But seriously Ciro? Leaving the forum over opinions? Thats what forums are for, get used to it or get out. Plain and simple.

Yeah, from now on everybody Is going to suck-up to Ciro saying the nick Turtles is the best show on earth. 2k3 TMNT? did such a show existed?

But seriously Its hard to swallow that now it turns out that many people didn’t notice the videogames, the action figures and other merchandise based on the 2k3, just because you don’t want to make Ciro cry.

Let’s have a little dignity people, besides nobody really said something to offend the guy it was just a stupid comparison, it’s been done with star wars, transformers, etc.

I can't bealive there is even people blaming CyberCubed, I personaly don't agree with the guy most of the time but its not he's fault Ciro can't handle a little criticism, what kind of producer is he?

[The Stryker]

Man. That point is just SOARING.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Echoing the sentiment of others, I don't think it was the criticisim of the new show that got him upset. While there have been some legitamte complaints about the new cartoon, I've seen a lot of posts around here that just tear it up just for the sake of tearing the new show up. It seems like there's just no pleasing some turtle fans.

And as for the "Laird approval question", I won't look at that so much, as I will the fact that this Baxter is the closest to the Mirage one (Crazy, Shallow motivation- heck, even the 80's hair!) And while there was some slapstick with the Pizza, but there was also fighting with the weapons, and the plot was on the same level of teen titans.

Am I totally happy with the current show? Of course not! I wish there were more OT characters (Why not Scale Tail instead of Snakeweed? Or Toxem instead of Spiderbytez? That Psionic monkey could've been seargent Bannanas? Don's cokroach could be Scumbug? And It should be Rocksteady and Bebop instead of Dogpound and Fishface!) But I love the new show anyway, and the charactrization of the turtles is the best I've seen in a long time! (Plus the fact they look like teens instead of 80's muscle heroes!) I can't wait to see the new episode!

[CyberCubed]

If he was offended by what he saw here, I can't imagine how he handles the whining from casuals on YouTube or Facebook.

There are people still out there saying the show looks like N64 graphics or that the Nick show is destroying their childhood. I know nobody takes those idiots seriously but those type of comments are still all around YouTube and other sites.

[HerpDerp]

Well I think we've all learned a valuable lesson.


But I'm not quite sure what it is.

[FearlessLeader]

Well I think we've all learned a valuable lesson.


But I'm not quite sure what it is.

From your comment and your avatar I just read this hearing Mikey's voice in my head and laughed way more then was needed :tgrin:

[shinefra]

Well I think we've all learned a valuable lesson.


But I'm not quite sure what it is.

From your comment and your avatar I just read this hearing Mikey's voice in my head and laughed way more then was needed :tgrin:

Hahaha me too. :tlol:

If he was offended by what he saw here, I can't imagine how he handles the whining from casuals on YouTube or Facebook.

There are people still out there saying the show looks like N64 graphics or that the Nick show is destroying their childhood. I know nobody takes those idiots seriously but those type of comments are still all around YouTube and other sites.

I haven't seen people here get to that level, besides the animation is great I love the fighting scenes.

[Jelly Bean]

Once again the whole thing just flies over the heads of the Drome masses and they overreact to the wrong thing.

He's not saying you can't criticize the show. He was pretty much responding to Cybercubed's whole '2k3 creative process was better' bullcrap.

It translates into: "Stop living in the past and don't take things so seriously all the time"

this. It like some people are deliberately misunderstanding the situation.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

What an episode! Had my younger Bro hang to watch this with me. (also a tmnt fan) We LOL so much when Mikes teeth fell out:lol: Just a another great well thought out episode, and Robs Donatello is starting to become my fav character.

No doubt we shall see Baxter again. Maybe they will use the fly story for him.

[Jephael]

Once again the whole thing just flies over the heads of the Drome masses and they overreact to the wrong thing.

He's not saying you can't criticize the show. He was pretty much responding to Cybercubed's whole '2k3 creative process was better' bullcrap.

It translates into: "Stop living in the past and don't take things so seriously all the time"

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[CyberCubed]

this. It like some people are deliberately misunderstanding the situation.

And if that's the case, that still is no reason to call everyone depressing and then storm off the forum in a rant.

He could have handled the situation a lot better. His overreaction doesn't correlate to what was said in this thread.

[Vivi]

Once again the whole thing just flies over the heads of the Drome masses and they overreact to the wrong thing.

He's not saying you can't criticize the show. He was pretty much responding to Cybercubed's whole '2k3 creative process was better' bullcrap.

It translates into: "Stop living in the past and don't take things so seriously all the time"

Actually, he didn't say that. You did.

The real depressing thing here is that someone has to have a tantrum in order to tell people not to take life so seriously all the time.

[Xav]

I wish there were more OT characters (Why not Scale Tail instead of Snakeweed? Or Toxem instead of Spiderbytez? That Psionic monkey could've been seargent Bannanas? Don's cokroach could be Scumbug?Were Scale Tail and Seargent Bannanas even in the old toon, and who the heck is Toxem?

[Mr.Sheldon]

"Words hurt more when they come from people you love." - my mum.




...first post. Mad nervous. Haha.

[Zany Orange Dude]

There's a repeat Thursday night at 8pm. :)

They've been replaying the most recent episode on Thursday evenings at 7pm central. Hope you get to see it!

edit: Yea, what he said LOL

Really! Thank you both! That's a big help!:tgrin:

[Mona_Lisa]

I also find myself each week loving the Nick version of Leo more and more. He's just such a huge dork and thats such a great character attribute for him. His obsession with sci-fi is something completely new for him but it works so well. I also loved his mistake with the beehive and seeing just how much of a kid Leo is and it makes me so excited to actually witness his character growth over the course of this series!


I love The Nick version of Leo!!! I hated how he was always so perfict before!!!! In my opinion, this is the best Leo EVER!!!:D

[Filespit]

Saw the new episode today! It was ok, but nothing special really. I thought Baxter was somewhat lame though, I hope he'll be involved more and that they develop his character. I'm liking that they're yet to meet/fight Shredder, I've got not problem waiting a few more episodes for that to happen. The humour was great as usual, and I'm still enjoying what I'm getting.

[Keno]

I love The Nick version of Leo!!! I hated how he was always so perfict before!!!! In my opinion, this is the best Leo EVER!!!:D

I agree. This Leo is great.

[Slade]

Once again, this show delivers. Another really good ep.

[PhatRam32]

Agreed. Very strong episode. I have this right up there with the premiere.

[PhatRam32]

Hope the ratings don't dip too much again..

[CyberCubed]

Hope the ratings don't dip too much again..

All shows have a decline in ratings after a debut. Some people only ever watch the first 3 episodes of a show and then drop it.

[Darth Knuckles]

I liked this episode and seeing Baxter Stockman was very cool. But I thought the episode seemed a tad disjointed because there wasn't any Kraang or Foot Clan around in this episode. It just seemed out of order I guess plot wise. Besides that I did notice a lot of easter eggs. The Mouser like arms when they detached, mentioning TCRI, and the "Fugitoid" sign refference on the shop that they quickly pan by as the turtles are going into the sewer to get away from the approaching Baxter Stockman? I agree with the majority. April just seems like a character there because...she's important to the series. She hasn't been used at all yet. There's still time of course but in the first five episodes she's done nothing herself.

[ComicBookBoy]

I was at work during the premiere of this episode,so I missed it. Does anyone know when it will air on Nickelodeon again? I can't watch it online; my computer is way too slow for that.

[HerpDerp]

I was at work during the premiere of this episode,so I missed it. Does anyone know when it will air on Nickelodeon again? I can't watch it online; my computer is way too slow for that.

Thursday 8pm.

[PhatRam32]

When do they usually release the ratings for this show?

[Coola Yagami]

I liked this episode and seeing Baxter Stockman was very cool. But I thought the episode seemed a tad disjointed because there wasn't any Kraang or Foot Clan around in this episode. It just seemed out of order I guess plot wise. Besides that I did notice a lot of easter eggs. The Mouser like arms when they detached, mentioning TCRI, and the "Fugitoid" sign refference on the shop that they quickly pan by as the turtles are going into the sewer to get away from the approaching Baxter Stockman? I agree with the majority. April just seems like a character there because...she's important to the series. She hasn't been used at all yet. There's still time of course but in the first five episodes she's done nothing herself.

Exactly, April was just some random girl they rescued... and nothing more... (until we get to the Don/April episode). I get the feeling they stuck her in there cause they felt they HAD to since almost every TMNT incarnation has had an April.

[FoxZerro]

"Words hurt more when they come from people you love." - my mum.




...first post. Mad nervous. Haha.

You did great kid and welcome to the 'Drome! Your mom is right, good words to live by. I'll add some of my Mother's own from when I related the situation to her.

"People are nostalgic they are always going to want to compare something new to something old."

"You need to expect that fans will have issues with a remake, afterall the only reasons you're remaking it is because it was popular before and you think it can be popular and make you money again."

and my personal favorite.

"That's the internet, people hate and love things all the time online, if you don't want to get involved in that then don't bother putting yourself out there."

[TurtleTitan97]

IGN gave this episode an 8.9/10: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/20/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-i-think-his-name-is-baxter-stockman-review

[Kevin G]

I really liked "I Think His Name Is Baxter Stockman." Baxter Stockman has always been one of my favorite Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle characters, so I was very happy to see him on the show. I thought Phil LaMarr did an outstanding job voicing him, though Scott Williams will always be my favorite.

I laughed really hard when he was in the warehouse, trying to find the perfect villainous name for himself. I also found it ironic, how Mickey (who is now known) for naming characters/stuff was being chased by Baxter, who couldn't figure out what to call himself. I am sure it wasn't done intentionally, but who knows ?

The only tiny gripe I had was that I wish he had a stronger vendetta against the Turtles. I understand Baxter was upset that he lost his job at TCRI and wanted revenge, but I was kind of hoping that he would be out for blood for the Turtles.

I'm really liking this incarnation of Splinter. I am getting an Iroh (Avatar: The Last Airbender) vibe, but that's okay because I love Iroh.

[Kevin G]

I was at work during the premiere of this episode,so I missed it. Does anyone know when it will air on Nickelodeon again? I can't watch it online; my computer is way too slow for that.

I feel your pain man, because I had to work Saturday to. I had to watch the episode online since the shows are not on On Demand yet, well yes but only the first and second episode.

[Plasticplayhouse]

i didnt care for this version of baxter. he felt weak and impudent. imo, baxter should be less nerdy goofball and more intelligent scientist with dark undertones.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, he could always go from weak to strong later on. This was just his introduction. There's room for growth there with his thirst for revenge. I have a hunch that maybe the Kraang will discover the TCRI building and will start kidnapping those scientists with the help of Stockman. It would be a good point for him to get his revenge that way.

[CyberCubed]

I'm guessing the villains won't be going through much character development in the show. The humans who were turned to mutants will probably always have a grudge against the Turtles and Baxter will likely be shown to be incompetent.

Assuming he doesn't get mutated into a fly later on.

[greensborohill]

I'm not digging the villians overall, but I must say that this is the best mix of turtle personalities of any turtle incarnation I've watched. Donnie in particular has been given more layers than just "Duz Machines" and Leo isn't just a straight laced leader.

[Avatar Yuffie]

I really like pragmatic (fight for victory/do more harm) Splinter. XD

I do feel very bad for Baxter too. And knowing he's a staple villain, it'll get worse from there.

[pannoni1]

Finally got a chance to watch this, and it was unimpressive, though it had its funny moments and there was some decent action, but a lot of it was predictable, and it felt a bit dumbed down at times compared to some 2k3 episodes. At least we got to hear Booyashaka for the first time when Mike uses his skateboard. I noticed some girl on the back of the skateboard; who was it?

Overall: 6/10

[Jester]

At least we got to hear Booyashaka for the first time when Mike uses his skateboard.
Second time. Mikey says it in the 1st episode.

[MrTMNT2012]

Why is everyone comparing this to the 2K3 Series? This is the kind of stuff that made Ciro get off the forum, so then why are you still continuing? Just enjoy the show and stop being a bunch of stupid nitpickers!

[Jester]

Because the new will always be compared to the old. Nick just has the misfortune of 2 shows to be compared too,

[Xav]

Three if you count Next Mutation.

[Cure]

Three if you count Next Mutation.

No one does.

[Jester]

Maybe I should have said 2 successful shows....:roll:

[CyberCubed]

Why is everyone comparing this to the 2K3 Series? This is the kind of stuff that made Ciro get off the forum, so then why are you still continuing? Just enjoy the show and stop being a bunch of stupid nitpickers!

Every reboot for ANY franchise will always be compared to what came before.

[Candy Kappa]

his is the kind of stuff that made Ciro get off the forum, so then why are you still continuing?

So what? This is a forum for discussion.

Oh no! Someone on the new Nick show got pissy apparently, lets forever never mention another TMNT version ever again! :roll:

[BubblyShell22]

I think the whole ordeal wasn't that it was being compared to the 2K3 series but that people seem to think 2K3 is better than this show.

[Candy Kappa]

But, there will always be fans of other incarnation, that will only care for that specific version.

[Xav]

Or there will be fans who simply like one version better than the other.

[Jephael]

Every reboot for ANY franchise will always be compared to what came before.

Yea but that's no excuse for being a dick to the creative team behind the new series.

[CyberCubed]

Yea but that's no excuse for being a dick to the creative team behind the new series.

You're still bringing this up? People can prefer something from the 4kids series over the Nick show.

[Cure]

You're still bringing this up?

There's never been an occasion where you've brought something up more than a few times, right?

[Jephael]

People can prefer something from the 4kids series over the Nick show.

Okay, so if 10 years from now you were to become a TV writer and developed your own iteration of the Ninja Turtles and a bunch of people came along and said "Your vision sucks ass! Give me the classic Turtles any day!" it wouldn't bother you?