Obama wins 2nd term

[psych23232323]

According to NBC,

Obama wins his 2nd term thanks to Ohio.

[GK Punk]

I Want to remind everyone to keep this as civil as possible.

[CyberCubed]

Did anyone NOT think he would win?

I thought it was fairly obvious he would win.

[MST3KFan]

Given Romney's basically saying how everyone middle class and below were 'bums' and many other things he shouldn't have said, it's not surprising.
I'm not a fan of either side. In fact, this year's election was probably the most insane, in your face, annoying one in a long time.

[Blurr]

Incoming Transmission...

I've never really cared enough to vote. I know it sounds horrible but it's just something I don't want to deal with and without taking the time to research either candidate or the issues at hand I feel like an uninformed vote is worse than no vote at all. In exchange, I waive my right to complain about anything the president does, who wins, etc. I simply adapt to whatever changes in life the presidency throws my way. -and to anyone who disagrees with me, I'd defend to the death your right to say whatever about me you'd like but keep in mind that people died for my right not just to vote, but for my freedom to choose not to if so I desire.

A wise Autobot once said that freedom is the right of all sentient beings.

Congratulations to Obama, his supporters and to everyone that voted for him! :tgrin:

(In an unrelated note, post 15 and upgraded to Random Punk! Hoo-ray!)

End Transmission.

[Redeemer]

According to NBC,

Obama wins his 2nd term thanks to Ohio.

I hope everyone sees ohio as victems! We have been hounded like know other. Every other commercial is about politics..... :cry:

I can not wait until this election crap is over. I am tired of hearing politians bad mouthing each other. It makes me sick to see the politics of this nations come down to high school tactis, pretty much a popularity contest....

I just want to return to a state of normallacy. I just hope we get out of this recession and I dont care who does it.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I hope everyone sees ohio as victems! We have been hounded like know other. Every other commercial is about politics..... :cry:

I can not wait until this election crap is over. I am tired of hearing politians bad mouthing each other. It makes me sick to see the politics of this nations come down to high school tactis, pretty much a popularity contest....

I just want to return to a state of normallacy. I just hope we get out of this recession and I dont care who does it.

Well, considering that there has been hardly any changes in the makeup of the federal government since before the election, it's pretty obvious what sort of normalcy we're going to get for the next four years... :trazz:

[Jester]

Pretty sure he means "No more political ads! HOORAY!" when he speaks of normalcy.

[GK Punk]

Pretty sure he means "No more political ads! HOORAY!" when he speaks of normalcy.

And that makes me pretty happy.

[Eiko]

Grats to Obama :) i would prefer him than our Julia Gillard. :x

[Jester]

And that makes me pretty happy.
No doubt. I was sick of them in August....

[ZariusTwo]

Congratulations to Obama and his supporters. Change is never immediate and requires hard work to see it through, glad Obama has longer to plant the seeds needed to get the country back on track.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Congratulations to Obama and his supporters. Change is never immediate and requires hard work to see it through, glad Obama has longer to plant the seeds needed to get the country back on track.

I thought you hated America, based on previous posts?

And true leftists despise him more than any conservatives do.

[Leo656]

Just a guy. I'm with those who are of the "this election season sucked and gave me a f*cking headache". The entire problem with a two-party system is that if you genuinely dislike both choices before you, people bully and force you to "Pick a side" and "make your voice heard" while telling you "Every vote counts!" and the old chestnut, "If you don't vote you have no right to complain!"

That's bullsh*t, I and everyone else has a right to complain about whoever and whatever we damn well please, and if our honest opinion is "Neither guy's worth voting for", that counts for even more than someone else's "lesser of two evils" half-hearted lip-service vote. At least my dislike and disinterest in both guys is genuine; a lot of people who vote only do it because someone tells them they have to or they're "bad" or "ignorant". Way too much like religion for me.

Obama's incapable of "fixing" anything aside from a TV interview, and Romney beat himself the second he opened his mouth. Both guys and their cronies are guilty as hell of saying anything and everything to distract people from the only thing that matters: Neither one of 'em has any clue how to fix the economy, partly because they're both really, really incompetent in that area. Think about this for a second: Did you ever in your life think you'd see a bunch of rich guys in suits - people who aspire to run this country, mind you - making public speeches for MONTHS about women and their reproductive rights? As if that's the issue crippling America right now. THAT is how far they all were willing to go, to avoid discussing the fact that unemployment is really 15% or more when you count the homeless and people whose unemployment benefits ran out a long time ago, and that none of 'em have a clue how to fix it. Pretty damn sad.

The best news of all is that if Chris Christie runs next election, he wins. Neither party can or should keep the Presidency for more than 8 straight years, not since the Reagan/Bush Dynasty. People are more cynical nowadays of one party staying in power for that long uninterrupted. Whoever the Republican candidate is in the next election, they're almost guaranteed a win; the last two elections, Democrats ran virtually unopposed (although I still maintain that if McCain had left Palin at home, he would have won in '08 and we'd all be a lot better off than we are now). If Christie runs, there are NO Democrats on the radar capable of beating him, except Hillary, and I think most people have figured her out by now. If the aftermath of the next four years is that we get Christie in 2016, it'll all be for the best.

[Katie]

I'm pretty happy with the outcome.

As far as the "no vote, no complain" comment, I think it's spot on. I've endured all kinds of hazing because I do choose to exercise my rights. Think I'm a "sheep" for going out to cast a vote? Sheep are skitish herd animals that pretty much just go along with wherever the herd takes them. Sounds like non voters to me. No opinion....just take what comes.

I don't care which way you lean or vote.....but think of all the sacrifices and wars and marches that have occured in history to allow us to have the right to choose our leaders. That's a rare thing in this world.

I vote to honor the men and women who believed I should have my chance to say who I want to represent me. In my mind, you are spitting on all their hard work if you choose not to vote and just go wherever the herd takes you.

[Jester]

I can honestly respect someone who says, "I'm not voting because NONE of these candidates really represents me."

Why does abstaining from the vote because the "big 2" party candidates aren't what you want make you a sheep? That's going against the herd, not going with it.

I'd love to finally be able to vote FOR someone, rather than holding my noes and voting AGAINST the other guy just to fulfill my "civic duty."

[Powder]

Well then I guess you're forced to respect me, Jester. What is the world coming to? :trazz:

[Jester]

Forced too? Sir, I respect both you and Leo. Always have. Leo and I disagree on a lot, but he's probably the best there is at telling you exactly what he thinks.

[Leo656]

100% agreed, Jester. Freedom and respect is about making a choice, and more importantly, making your OWN choice. People did NOT fight and die so people could be given two options they genuinely dislike and be told "pick one or you're no good". I'm genuinely sorry for anyone who feels that is how democracy and/or freedom of expression works. I don't endorse or speak out in favor of anyone or anything I don't trust, approve, or believe in. Period. To vote under the current circumstances would be me betraying my honesty, and I refuse to ever do that. Especially not for a politician, of all things. For 3 and 1/2 years, we all always talk about how they're nothing but a bunch of selfish, greedy, lying corporate criminals, but then 6 months before an election people act like the sky's gonna fall if Their Guy loses, when those same people spend all the time blaming politicians and CEOs for all their problems. What kind of logic is that?

Fact: Me and my family are NOT better off than we were four years ago. That's not Obama or Romney's specific fault, but since they all try to make it about that, "Are you better off now than you were then?", I have to give an honest answer: NO. So there goes one choice. And Mitt Romney did everything he could to prove he's incompetent at best and a complete phony at worst. So there goes the other choice. And sadly, nobody who isn't one of The Big Two is allowed to win, so voting for a third party candidate is like a tree falling in the empty woods.

For me, having to choose between Barack Obama, a more or less fabricated creation of the media who made way too many promises and followed through on roughly none, or Mitt Romney, a crooked CEO who proved he would say anything at all regardless of how made-up or contrary it was to his own prior statements, well, that's no choice at all.

When someone comes along who I feel isn't completely full of it, I might be more active. For now, as I said, my right to abstain is equally important as your right to vote. I also don't pick a religious affiliation, although plenty of people have fought and died for my right to practice any faith I choose. I choose my own faith, and that faith doesn't include faith in politicians.

I also don't watch the Oscars or the Super Bowl. I'm truly an awful, awful person, I guess, me and my Genuine Disinterest in things others care oh so much about. And it's not that I'm disinterested in politics, I actually enjoy following and discussing them quite a bit, but I also feel like politics is the New Religion of the 21st Century, and it seriously disturbs me how deeply serious people seem to take it. It's not healthy. At all. People hero-worship Obama like he's their personal Jesus, and I've lost track of how many Facebook posts I've read calling Mitt Romney "The Devil". Neither guy is either, one's a Harvard law school grad and the other's a crooked CEO. Neither one of them has anything in common with you or me at all, and if you think they do, well... that's your problem, not mine. Neither one deserves to win American Idol, let alone try and run this country.

And by "Run the country", I really mean "do whatever the tobacco and pharmaceutical companies tell them to do," since they buy off all the elected officials and judges anyways. You think those corporations spend BILLIONS a year on Washington lobbyists because they want to see "Change"?

The system is broken and corrupt, and that's not an opinion, that's a fact. I will observe and comment on it, research and debate it, analyze and deconstruct and even criticize it, but I will NOT participate unless my support is going to someone who deserves it. THAT is the right to freedom of expression, the right to say "F*ck it, both these guys are idiots and I'm staying home and making tacos." Which were delicious, by the way.

If anyone firmly feels either candidate has their best interests at heart and decides to vote for them, in this or any election, terrific. That's their right to participate. And they all also have the same right to say they don't care, that they don't want to have to eventually answer for the mistakes Their Guy may make in the future if he turns out to be a joke. Freedom of expression includes NOT pushing your agenda on other people. Expressing an agenda is one thing; telling them they have no opinion because they don't think the same as you is another thing entirely.

And Jester: I'd honestly have to think long and hard to come up with any disagreements we've had about anything, difference of opinion, maybe, but that ain't no thang. The #1 thing I'm always telling everyone is it's ok to have an opinion as long as it's sincere and not just making noise. People aren't supposed to agree on everything, that's friggin' boring.

[ToTheNines]

I voted for Gary Johnson this year. Was hoping to see him get enough of the popular vote so that the Libertarian Party could have access to federal funding in 4 years, and in turn make enough noise in the polls to be able to take part in the debates.

[BubblyShell22]

I called it. I knew Obama would get in because the election's rigged. I didn't vote because, like Leo, I wasn't interested in either party. I don't like politics at all and feel that the politicians are just liars and crooks. And if you voted for Romney, guess what? It didn't count, did it? Politics is a waste of time, and I refuse to vote for a bunch of liars and crooks who really don't care about the American people. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. I'd rather not vote at all than to get sucked into all the sh*t that the idiots spout. If you want to do that, go ahead, but I'm not going to.

And I can express my views all I want if someone asks me. I'm not going to out and out complain because this is the way it is. America has spoken, and we can't do anything about it. Everyone just needs to take it in stride and roll with the punches instead of b*tching that their candidate didn't get in. And we all know that's what's going to happen. That's what my dad's doing.

[Vivi]

As someone in a country where voting is compulsory, I think you're crazy not to. I think sometimes it's not about how much better off you could be as how much worse you could be off. Sad but true. Thus the voting for the lesser of two evils.

Here, though, there is a lot less religious fanaticism involved in politics- actually virtually none. And there is nothing, nothing like the spectacle of American politics in voting season. I could see how it could be exhausting having to put up with that.

[CyberCubed]

The economies problem is something no president could fix right away. I don't blame Obama because anyone in his place wouldn't have done any better.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

The economies problem is something no president could fix right away. I don't blame Obama because anyone in his place wouldn't have done any better.

Remembering the Reagan Presidency, I beg to differ. He fixed it long before four years; it's gotten worse under Obama, and shows little if any sign of improvement.

As for "lesser of two evils"; there have been plenty of elections where one candidate claims that they're going to be better and change things and don't. That doesn't mean voters will necessarily stick with the incumbent as a result. For example, the current president of Cook County, Illinois, campaigned as a reformer, but proved to be just a blowhard. I'm still glad to be rid of the old one though (as most voters were).

[The Stryker]

I called it. I knew Obama would get in because the election's rigged. I didn't vote because, like Leo, I wasn't interested in either party. I don't like politics at all and feel that the politicians are just liars and crooks. And if you voted for Romney, guess what? It didn't count, did it? Politics is a waste of time, and I refuse to vote for a bunch of liars and crooks who really don't care about the American people. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. I'd rather not vote at all than to get sucked into all the sh*t that the idiots spout. If you want to do that, go ahead, but I'm not going to.

And I can express my views all I want if someone asks me. I'm not going to out and out complain because this is the way it is. America has spoken, and we can't do anything about it. Everyone just needs to take it in stride and roll with the punches instead of b*tching that their candidate didn't get in. And we all know that's what's going to happen. That's what my dad's doing.

I really don't get that "The person you voted for didn't win! So it's a giant waste of time forever and you should never vote again." mentality. It's called a democracy. It's the most balanced system you could possibly have.

Whatever. Don't vote. Whatever floats your boat but that is the stupidest and most childish reason I've ever heard.

[LeoNerdo]

I thought the whole campaign on both sides was a drag. I love this country though. And I love my state a little bit more. (Most Texans do)

[Master Splinter]

Remembering the Reagan Presidency....

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I love how Doc thinks it's crazy that he was President!

-ms

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I didn't see the "Back To The Future" movies, if that is what the clip is from.

[Jester]

I voted for Gary Johnson this year. Was hoping to see him get enough of the popular vote so that the Libertarian Party could have access to federal funding in 4 years, and in turn make enough noise in the polls to be able to take part in the debates.
I wish THIS wasn't a stipulation to even be in the debates. It only perpetuates the 2 party, "Lesser of Two Evils," system....

[Dirty Blond]

Chris Matthews credits Obama's victory in part to Sandy. That's an example of someone who takes politics way too seriously.

[Jester]

Chris Matthews is the Lefts answer to Sean Hannity.

Both make me wanna face palm.

[Brodie]

I called it. I knew Obama would get in because the election's rigged.

America has spoken, and we can't do anything about it.

What? Those statements make no sense together.

[Dirty Blond]

Chris Matthews is the Lefts answer to Sean Hannity.

Both make me wanna face palm.

Left or right, as a fellow blond, I am ashamed of Chris Matthews.

[Jester]

As a brunette, Sean Hannity brings shame to us all.

[Candy Kappa]

I usually don't vote because I care very little about the politic parties (to put it nicely) we have in Norway. Screw choosing lesser evil, it's better with the devil you know. Well it's better with no devil at all.

as for the US election, I'd rather see Obama in the seat as one of the world's most powerful people them Romney.

[gobo]

Cool. I thought Obama had little chance with all the hate I keep hearing, but I guess I forgot that I live in the south. Personally, I had no preference.

[Azrael Macool]

I'm just glad we kept the pro-marriage equality candidate. Many members of my family are LGBT people, so its been very disheartening for a political party that I once supported to try and do everything to hurt my family (not to mention the elderly and sick relatives who are benefited from the Affordable Care Act)

[CyberCubed]

Peter Laird posted his thoughts:

I was considering using an image of "Big Bird" from "Sesame Street" with a thought balloon reading "Whew!" for today's blog, but out of respect for the owners of that character and their desire to separate Big Bird from politics, I will refrain. So I borrowed a line from an old Ronald Reagan campaign ad for my headline instead.

I have to admit I feel good this morning. It's cold outside -- around 30 degrees, by the thermometer outside our kitchen window, the sky has the look of imminent snow, and I dread that I must soon perform the yearly ritual of the putting away of the motorcycles -- but there is a suffusing inner warmth as I consider the fact that the majority of my fellow Americans have, for the second time in four years, soundly rejected bone-deep Republican stupidity and fear-mongering. I speak, of course, not of the vast majority of Republican voters, who are decent people and as truly American as any Democrat, but of the Republican leadership, the upper echelon of the party which still seems to believe that you can get into power through lies and manipulation.

Well… maybe that is still possible… but let's all give thanks that their fervent efforts to take our great country back fifty years (or more) didn't succeed this time.

And I would be remiss if I didn't give a tiny tip o' the hat to two men who -- in their small and apparently completely clueless, unintentional ways -- helped to give us this victory: Todd "legitimate rape" Akins and Richard "pregnancies from rape are a gift from God" Mourdock. These two fools (who both went down in flaming defeat yesterday in their Senate races) pretty conclusively proved -- to my way of thinking, anyway -- that (a) displaying gross ignorance of science and medical realities and making it a part of your political platform, and (b) trying to legitimize hateful stupidity by slapping "God" onto it are not really great strategies these days. Thanks, guys!

Time to get back to my breakfast. Congratulations, President Obama -- I look forward to seeing what you can accomplish in your second term. -- PL

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Having seen what Obama accomplished in the past four years, it wasn't the Romney voters who were guilty of lies and stupidity.

[plastroncafe]

I've always found the "there's no one good to vote for, so I don't vote," argument to be a cop out. Maybe it's different in other states/commonwealths, but here in Mass we have the option to write in anyone we want in any election.

Don't like who is on the ballot, then write in No Confidence. It sends a message that you showed up, participated, and still didn't find anyone worth backing.

If enough people did this it might get through the parties' thick skulls that there are more people in this country than their respective loony fringe.

But it'll probably never happen. Just like we'll never see the 75% voter turn out for any other election in the next three years. Which is sad, the local elections are the most important ones.

At any rate, I'm pleased with most of the outcome of yesterday's election.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Many of you will change your minds when you see your taxes shoot up (and they will-we've got to pay for Obamacare somehow) and your job opportunities diminish (ditto). And as for "Obamacare will pay for everybody"-ha and double ha. Massachussetts has a system where everybody must buy health care insurance, and if you cannot afford it, you're supposed to be able to buy a special state policy for the poor. One resident of that state has told me of this policy, but when he tried to buy such a policy, they rejected him. So very soon we will see Obamacare in all its glory, and just why so many of us knew all along Obama would be a disaster.

And BTW, what the President of the USA think of gay marriage is irrelevant. Individual states of the USA set their own marriage rules.

[Azrael Macool]

Heh, nice Peter Laird. I'm proud to be one of the people that kept Mourdock out of office.

And without getting into too much of a political rant, Type 97 Chi-ha, it absolutely does matter when the person running spoke of a constitutional amendment banning it. And its stupid to have people's civil rights up for vote state by state anyway. Ideally, we'd get a constitutional amendment in favor of it. I admit it doesn't seem likely right now, but at the very least we have someone in office who will consider it.

[Spitfire]

Having seen what Obama accomplished in the past four years, it wasn't the Romney voters who were guilty of lies and stupidity.

Because you've been a president and you know how everything works with politics.

"Wahhh Obama didn't fix everything!". He can't fix everything, not without congress. And congress is currently weighing in the favor of the opposing party. And what do childish sore losers do? They impede the progress of the person who beat them in any way they can.

Welcome to politics. It's unfair but it's the only system that we can have with the word freedom attached to it. Otherwise it would be "Shut up, you're too stupid to make decisions for yourself so we're making them for you." Be glad we don't have that.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Because you've been a president and you know how everything works with politics.

"Wahhh Obama didn't fix everything!". He can't fix everything, not without congress. And congress is currently weighing in the favor of the opposing party. And what do childish sore losers do? They impede the progress of the person who beat them in any way they can.

Welcome to politics. It's unfair but it's the only system that we can have with the word freedom attached to it. Otherwise it would be "Shut up, you're too stupid to make decisions for yourself so we're making them for you." Be glad we don't have that.

And of course, since you were president, you know everything about politics.

Well, guess what? I think I know far more about politics than you. Obama didn't fix everything? Exactly what DID he fix? The economy? It's worse. No cooperation from Congress? Guess who had ironclad control of Congress for Obama's first two years? Not the Republicans. And how did the Republicans win back seats in the House? Because Obama and the Democrats did such a wonderful job when the had the chance. NOT!

Try thinking for a change. It's what I do.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Heh, nice Peter Laird. I'm proud to be one of the people that kept Mourdock out of office.

And without getting into too much of a political rant, Type 97 Chi-ha, it absolutely does matter when the person running spoke of a constitutional amendment banning it. And its stupid to have people's civil rights up for vote state by state anyway. Ideally, we'd get a constitutional amendment in favor of it. I admit it doesn't seem likely right now, but at the very least we have someone in office who will consider it.

I guess you haven't had (or have forgotten) what you learned in grade school social studies. To get a Constitutional amendment passed, it has to be written and approved by Congress, and then it has to be submitted to all the states for approval. If most pass it, then the amendment becomes law. So no, you're absolutely wrong that it makes any difference whatsoever what the President thinks of gay marriage.

[Voltron]

I want to say something intelligent here, but any political discussion invariably sees us devolve into a pack of snarling animals.

Obama, I believe has done a lot of good for us at home and abroad. He's not the best president ever. He's not "The One", as many hardline conservatives jokingly refer to him.

Romney isn't responsible for the death of some poor woman. He's not a bloodsucking vampire who hates women. Let go.

We need to sit down and listen to each other. We need to work together to bring ourselves out of these rough times. If we dig our trenches here and now, we lose. The United States need to realize that freedom doesn't mean everything is my way.

This is easy for me to say because I got what I wanted last night. I'd be bitter and flippant had it not turned out my way, because I'm ridiculous.

We have a Republican House, a Conservative SCOTUS, and a Democratic POTUS and Senate. It's 50/50, the way I see it.

Let's just quit our bitching and get to work.

[Machias Banshee]

I'm in agreement with you, Voltron. Things Didn't go the way I wanted, but I'm taking it all in stride... we have a lot of work to do to get the country up and running again.

And on a more positive note, since we need some lightening up: :D

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[Jester]

I've always found the "there's no one good to vote for, so I don't vote," argument to be a cop out. Maybe it's different in other states/commonwealths, but here in Mass we have the option to write in anyone we want in any election.
Sadly, not here. My wife was gonna write in a good friend of ours who is incredibly politically minded, but there was no write option.

[Xav]

The best news of all is that if Chris Christie runs next election, he wins. Neither party can or should keep the Presidency for more than 8 straight years, not since the Reagan/Bush Dynasty. People are more cynical nowadays of one party staying in power for that long uninterrupted. Whoever the Republican candidate is in the next election, they're almost guaranteed a win; the last two elections, Democrats ran virtually unopposed (although I still maintain that if McCain had left Palin at home, he would have won in '08 and we'd all be a lot better off than we are now). If Christie runs, there are NO Democrats on the radar capable of beating him, except Hillary, and I think most people have figured her out by now. If the aftermath of the next four years is that we get Christie in 2016, it'll all be for the best.Nope Chrisie won't get the nomination. The GOP are throwing him under the bus for praising Obama.

[Spitfire]

And of course, since you were president, you know everything about politics.
Cause I said that. Direct quote in fact.

Well, guess what? I think I know far more about politics than you. Obama didn't fix everything? Exactly what DID he fix? The economy? It's worse. No cooperation from Congress? Guess who had ironclad control of Congress for Obama's first two years? Not the Republicans. And how did the Republicans win back seats in the House? Because Obama and the Democrats did such a wonderful job when the had the chance. NOT!

Try thinking for a change. It's what I do.

Someone destroys a building and you're waiting for it to be rebuilt. Do you blame the people who destroyed it or the construction crew?

It's called logic, how about you try using that for a change.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Cause I said that. Direct quote in fact.



Someone destroys a building and you're waiting for it to be rebuilt. Do you blame the people who destroyed it or the construction crew?

It's called logic, how about you try using that for a change.

Oh, I use it, and in fact I have a much better analogy.

Let's say you have a restaurant and you find cockroaches in the kitchen. You fire the manager and hire a new one to clean things up. You check four years later and now the whole restaurant is chock full of cockroaches and garbage. The manager says that all the problems were due to his predecessor and that he is not responsible for things getting worse and that he can move forward. While he says this, he is blowing his nose and throwing his used kleenex on the floor.

Now do you get the picture?

[Spitfire]

Except it doesn't really work that way.

Here maybe this will help you understand.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e13-dances-with-smurfs

[ComicBookBoy]

I usually try to stay away from political conversations, but I will say that the next four years are probably gonna be like the past four years.... CRAP!

I voted for Romney, because Obama just plain sucked as President.

[TheCanadiandrome]

congrats to Obama! Four More Years! 8)

I so want to meet him some day. he's like the only US President in my lifetime that I've ever wanted to actually meet.

it's to totally awesome that the US People made the smart and logical choice.

like it was mentioned, change doesn't happen over night and takes time. after all Rome wasn't built in a day :D

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Except it doesn't really work that way.

Here maybe this will help you understand.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e13-dances-with-smurfs

I already understand, and I have better things to do than watch lame cartoon videos.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

congrats to Obama! Four More Years! 8)

I so want to meet him some day. he's like the only US President in my lifetime that I've ever wanted to actually meet.

it's to totally awesome that the US People made the smart and logical choice.

like it was mentioned, change doesn't happen over night and takes time. after all Rome wasn't built in a day :D

There's an old joke about how comedian Jerry Lewis is considered very funny in France.

Or to put it another way, the British royal family are far more beloved outside of Britain than in it.

[Sage Ninja]

Rush Limbaugh's reaction:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/rush-limbaugh-obama-reelection_n_2088760.html

Rush Limbaugh tried to explain Mitt Romney's loss to President Obama on his Wednesday show.

"Small things beat big things yesterday," he said. "Conservatism ... did not lose last night ... it is practically impossible to beat Santa Claus. People are not going to vote against Santa Claus, especially if the alternative is being your own Santa Claus."

He said Romney would have been a great president.

"He may have not been the most optimal candidate, but he's a fine man," he said. "He would have been great for this country."

Romney, he said, had promoted "traditional" values of hard work, which had been rejected: "In a country of children where the option is Santa Claus or work, what wins?"

He dismissed the idea, floated by many conservatives, that the GOP had become too white and insular.

"We have plenty of highly achieved minorities in our party!" he said.

Limbaugh then turned to the exit poll data, which clearly had caused concern.


"I went to bed last night thinking, 'we're outnumbered,'" he said. "I went to bed last night thinking we'd lost the country. I don't know how else you look at this. The first wave of exit polls came in at five o'clock. I looked at it, and I said ... 'this is utter BS, and if it isn't, then we've lost the country.'"

[TheCanadiandrome]

There's an old joke about how comedian Jerry Lewis is considered very funny in France.

Or to put it another way, the British royal family are far more beloved outside of Britain than in it.

lol, i still have no use for the British Royal family :lol:

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

lol, i still have no use for the British Royal family :lol:

Could you bring him to Canada and keep him?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Could you bring him to Canada and keep him?
who Obama? why? he's doing fine there. course when he's done in the US if he'd like to come in and kick the crap out of Harper and become Canada's next PM then sure

[ComicBookBoy]

:o Obama's three and a half years of acting nice are over, now his reign will truly begin! :o


I'm just joking people.

[Spitfire]

I already understand, and I have better things to do than watch lame cartoon videos.

Like talking out your ass on the internet?

[Jester]

Spitfire...he's not worth the trouble. It's a real shame one of the loudest voice for "my side" on the Drome is this wacka-doodle.

[Machias Banshee]

I'm with you, Jester... I just keep most of my opinion to myself. Better to read along than get into a constant stalemate battle... and risk losing my job.

[Barkworm]

Jester, I think it's because people like him were so loud in this election that the Republicans lost it. I don't even think Romney would have been a terrible president or anything but the party doesn't deserve to win anything as long as it can't control its insane people.

Nate Silver, Sam Wang and other statisticians had very accurately predicted this election outcome while pundits everywhere tried to discredit them for months (Karl Rove arguing that the Ohio projection was too early was hilarious). I think this is the most positive result of this election: It proved that pundits, no matter if it's Matthews or Dick Morris, are idiots.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Jester, I think it's because people like him were so loud in this election that the Republicans lost it. I don't even think Romney would have been a terrible president or anything but the party doesn't deserve to win anything as long as it can't control its insane people.

Nate Silver, Sam Wang and other statisticians had very accurately predicted this election outcome while pundits everywhere tried to discredit them for months (Karl Rove arguing that the Ohio projection was too early was hilarious). I think this is the most positive result of this election: It proved that pundits, no matter if it's Matthews or Dick Morris, are idiots.

I know I may be abrasive, but I'm neither nutty or stupid. I'm just honest.

Spitfire: All you do is make childish insults and inane comments. I'll waste no more time responding to you.

Jester: My problem is that I'm honest and love to talk to the idiots in the language they can understand.

Barkworm: Republicans lost because they misunderstood the other side's intention to keep one of their own in place even if he's a total incompetent. Romney would have been infinitely better.

[愛]

Ohhhh so edgy!

[Powder]

There's an old joke about how comedian Jerry Lewis is considered very funny in France.

Or to put it another way, the British royal family are far more beloved outside of Britain than in it.

You don't like that people have opinions that differ from yours, eh guy?

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

You don't like that people have opinions that differ from yours, eh guy?

You can say that about Obama supporters.

[Barkworm]

What a terrible retort, man. Seriously.

[GK Punk]

Okay, so the thread was locked temporarily and is now back. Let's remember to keep things as civil as possible. (And Type 97 no longer has access to this section)

[Lampy]

yea i try to refrain from political conversations because of what was going on over here.
over here on guam... the ballots actually contain a vote for either presidential candidate. but our presidential votes don't count in the actual race. so over here... it doesn't matter which one you vote for... because your vote doesn't count.
sucks huh?

[Leo656]

Been having a lot of conversations the last few days, so I figured I'd just vent a bunch of various points on here. Long as hell, as usual, so I won't be mad at ya if ya got better things to do. :)

I'm one of those weirdos who's basically, generally, a liberal on social issues who leans far conservative on economics. So it's always hard for me to pick either political party's side when so often they both do sh*t that I don't agree with or flat-out makes no sense. I honestly don't see how, or why, anyone would have voted for Romney this time, or at least admitted doing so. I personally have no love for the guy, but I genuinely do feel he would have been better for the economy than Obama long-term. But the way he and his political constituents behaved this time out, they deserved to lose. They made remarks and statements that were so controversial, inflammatory, and flat-out offensive, there was no chance they were going to win. Personally, I never blame politicians for what they say, because they ALL have speechwriters and scripts, and believe it or not, a lot of the speech and script-writers are employed by politicians on BOTH sides, so absolutely anything and everything they say in public should be taken as Total Bullsh*t at worst and a Great Big Maybe at best. I *get* that the Republicans knew they were sunk unless they devoted 100% of their energy to pandering to their uber-conservative religious fanatic base, but they went SO far that way they alienated anyone who wasn't an extreme conservative. I find it hard to believe that Romney or Ryan believed half of the stuff they said along the way, but an election is all about politicians pandering to the people on the fence, the people who only do what Oprah or Jon Stewart or Bill O'Reilly tell them to. I don't like Romney much, but I think if he had the chance he would have been better at the job in the ways it counts than Obama. But he sabotaged himself and now nobody'll ever take him seriously again. It's kinda sad that people turned on him for being a "liar" and a "flip-flopper", since that describes ALL politicians, but he was so blatant about it, he deserves the scorn he's getting.

My feelings on Obama are mostly dictated by my own sense of self-interest and self-preservation, as I feel is only natural for anyone; when it comes down to it, you support who you feel does the best for you personally and your family. And my family has NOT done well over the last 4 years, and neither are the people I used to work with at my old job. It's gotten harder and harder for some of us to find work, and a few of my relatives and their young children have lost their homes, and/or been neglected and mistreated by the very social programs supposedly designed to help people like them, programs Obama supports expanding and giving lots more taxpayer money to. Which sounds lovely on paper, but the reality is that these programs are too often slanted and selective and even racist, and the abuse and fraud that runs rampant throughout is a decent indicator that rather than expanding them, someone really ought to be making sure they benefit the right people. When people born and raised in this country sit in a welfare office for 6 hours every day just to "earn" $400 a month and food stamps, and they are docked $50 of that for taking their sick kid to a doctor, and are subsequently kicked completely off the program for not having a signed doctor's note for those visits, and then are evicted from their apartment because they needed that welfare check to pay rent, that's an injustice. It becomes an even BIGGER injustice when that person sees and hears a welfare worker giving advice to illegal immigrants on how to hide income from the government so as to keep getting full food stamps and unemployment benefits. In fact, that's CRIMINAL. I'd like to see things like that get fixed before we spend any more money on expanding social programs. Fact: The relative I'm speaking of who got evicted was replaced in their former apartment by a family of 6 immigrants, all working full-time and collecting welfare and food stamps and living in one dwelling. This needs to stop, and it has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with what's fair.

The real problem, though, is that reforming welfare is only part of the job, people need to be given jobs that pay a decent living wage. Ten years ago, anyone in NY or NJ could get work as a construction worker or a mover, but as things have gotten tougher, those jobs have dried up because of too many people and not enough work, and too many people willing to work for $5/hr off the books for an 18-hour work day. People working three jobs still often can't pay their bills, Something's wrong there. It's very possible they're living beyond their means, but while a lot of things have gotten more expensive wages have not gone up to compensate, and in fact have been stagnant for longer than any period in recent history.

Point of fact, a lot of employers would be more than happy to give their workers a raise, if it were feasible. My old boss ran a company of 30-50 full-time and seasonal employees, and at some point each and every one of them has had to ask for more money at some point. Sometimes, you'd get it. Other times, you got nothing, BUT our boss was a straight-up guy, and had zero problem sitting down with a person and explaining in crystal clear detail what the company was making, what it was spending, and what it cost to employ one person for one year. It was a very transparent company, and for a long time, very successful, but the last 4 years have been awful for them. Not specifically because of Obama's policies, but the uncertainty around them. Last time I spoke with my old boss about it, he talked about how hard it was to hire new people or even pay the guys he had enough, since nobody knows for sure what even one employee could cost for a year after taxes, health benefits, etc. And of course, nobody knows what parts of Obama's more controversial policies will stick and which will eventually be repealed. Uncertainty kills job growth and job creation more than anything else, more than over-spending, more than bad investments, uncertainty is the root cause which leads to all those things and makes businesses fail.

I worry Obama cares too much about his approval ratings and whether other countries think we're "nice" or not. I don't think he knows how to really fix things; I believe he has good intentions and some good ideas but a lot of them are not feasible or sustainable. He looks too comfortable hanging out joking around with Jon Stewart and David Letterman; he looked like a fish out of water at times during the debates. I also think the fact that he has such a sterling reputation despite very little accomplishment is why a lot of people have so much resentment for him. The single biggest accomplishment he's had so far, is simply proving that America is a tiny bit less racist than it was 50 years ago. Which sounds great in a history textbook, until you read the next line, which reads "He also was President during the longest period of economic downturn and stagnation since the Great Depression", which I doubt anyone will be crowing about 50 years from now. He made so much big talk about how projects like Solyndra were going to create jobs and get America up and running again, and that was a gigantic waste of time and money that even he's too embarrassed to ever talk about anymore. Since then, all he's done is blame Bush for everything, which not only isn't accurate, it's an excuse even his fiercest supporters aren't going to want to hear anymore if 15% of the country's still unemployed in 2015. (Since that 8.9% statistic they brag about only counts people currently collecting unemployment benefits, and conveniently ignores homeless people and those whose benefits have dried up already.)

I'unno, it's a big mess. I don't think either guy we had this time was gonna be able to fix it. I think Romney would have been better at it, but only marginally so, and like Bush, his big mouth would have constantly kept people focusing on what he did wrong and not whatever he'd do right. As far as Chris Christie, 4 years from now is a long time, and unless Republicans can pull someone credible out of thin air, he's literally all they got, so they'd better pucker up and realize he was only Playing The Game. Who else is gonna run against Hillary in 2016? Palin? Trump? Never happen. Or maybe, just maybe, they'll pick one of the extremely rare and few high-ranking NJ politicians who's neither 1. A Democrat, or 2. Been arrested and/or investigated for embezzlement, extortion, drug trafficking, fraud, or criminal conspiracy. Guy's a bit rough around the edges, but compared to anyone else the GOP can throw their weight behind (no pun intended), he's a friggin' Saint.

[BubblyShell22]

Well said, Leo. My dad and I were talking about Obamacare and how ridiculous it is. Look, I get that people need health insurance and should have it, but the thing is, the economy is so bad right now, people aren't getting jobs that carry health insurance. And a lot of jobs these days can't afford to even carry health insurance. Even if they do, a lot of people would be using their paycheck to pay for it. That's what would've happened to my mom if she'd taken it when she worked at the school, but she didn't do it.

So, the main thing I want to know is: How the hell is this going to work out? It doesn't sound like a very good idea to me anyway. Seems the only way they can do this is if they make jobs carry health insurance so that people can have it. But then again, you need a good job market, and I don't see that happening anytime soon. Plus, the jobs have to be able to afford the health insurance in their budget, so they have to work that out, too. And what about affordable healthcare? What exactly does that entail for people? I'm just interested to see where this goes.

And, Leo, I agree with you about Romney and a few other Republicans. They shot themselves in the foot. Then again, what gets to me about politicians is that they often bring up their religious and personal beliefs into their campaigns. If they would just leave that at the door and realize that not everyone is going to believe the same way they do, maybe things would be different. Work on the bigger issues such as the economy and the job market. Don't focus on a woman's right to choose or gay marriage, which frankly aren't the things we need to be focusing on as a nation. That's the way I look at it. Unfortunately, that probably won't happen, and until it does, or until they have the "None of the above" option for those who feel neither candidate is worth running the country, I'm never going to vote for anybody.

And they also need to get rid of the smear campaigns. I'll give Indiana's new governor Mike Pence a lot of credit. His ads weren't negative or inflammatory. He just explained what he was going to do for Indiana and didn't slam his opponent in any way. That's what I'd like to see more of. Just talk about what you want to accomplish and leave it at that. No need for the negative sh*t.

And, that's my two cents on that.

[Xav]

Okay, so the thread was locked temporarily and is now back. Let's remember to keep things as civil as possible. (And Type 97 no longer has access to this section)Wow really? You ban a guy because you don't like his political views? Real mature.

[Barkworm]

It was because he was insulting people, not because he is crazy.

[Xav]

So why didn't you kick out Spitfire or yourself?

[Barkworm]

You are very funny, keep it up!

[The Stryker]

Don't focus on a woman's right to choose or gay marriage, which frankly aren't the things we need to be focusing on as a nation.

Gay rights and women's rights aren't important? What the?

[Jester]

Why are all the "conservatives" on this forum so abrasive.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, or so the saying goes.
People only got bristly with Type 97 because he started out, as he always does in political threads, bristly himself.

[Barkworm]

Why are all the "conservatives" on this forum so abrasive.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, or so the saying goes.
People only got bristly with Type 97 because he started out, as he always does in political threads, bristly himself.
I think it's great how you put "conservatives" in inverted commas. I don't believe people like Type 97 are conservatives, they are right wing extremists which is a very different thing. No one is going to lump you together with these kooks.

[Master Splinter]

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, or so the saying goes.


THIS!!!

I am all over the place when it comes to views on different situations, but normally I lean more left than anything, but I will give anyone the time of day to explain to me their thoughts and opinions on various matters as long as they are respectful of me and my opinions as well. Some have actually helped me understand things better and have gotten me to change my stance on topics. But there is no way that I will ever agree with you if you are going to be insulting, derogatory, ignorant, or disrespectful.

I voted for Obama because I am better off than what I was four years ago. I have paid off all of my debt (thanks to freezes in credit rates b/c of Obama and of course Dave Ramsey's FPU), I have gotten a raise in pay, and my wife and I can now afford insurance for our daughter at a reasonable price, when before it was 3-4 times more expensive because they said she had a pre-existing condition (heart murmur), which had gone away after she turned one, so she didn't have it anymore but they still considered it one.

-ms

[Xav]

You are very funny, keep it up!So why is it ok for Spitfire to say Type 97 is talking out of his ass, Jester to call him a wacka-doodle, and you to call him insane and crazy but as soon he offends you he gets kicked out?

[BubblyShell22]

Gay rights and women's rights aren't important? What the?

I'm not saying they aren't important, but it seemed like the whole campaign was focused on that stuff solely. And frankly, I think people need to realize that our country was founded on the basis that everyone is created equal, but people don't seem to remember that little tidbit. I agree that women should have the right to choose and gays should be allowed to marry, but those aren't the only issues facing our nation. We have a damn economic crisis and a job market that's been in the sh*t tank for a long time now, and I feel that those issues are the big issues right now.

And like I said in my other posts, politicians need to leave their personal and religious beliefs at the door, but we know that'll never happen, and that's a huge problem for me.

[The Stryker]

They talked about the economy and the job market the most actually. It was actually considered a deciding factor in some states so I don't know where you're getting your information.

If the guy running believes in god or whatever why should they have to hide it? To appease overly sensitive people that get upset when a person says 'bless you' after a sneeze? If that's what they believe in, hey whatever. Just don't try and blur the line between church and state which only came up with the crazies on BS mountain.

[plastroncafe]

I can think of fewer things more important than being able to marry whomever I want, and being able to control when and with whom I have a family.

I agree that these are things that we shouldn't be focusing on as a nation. They're things that should have been settled years ago, yet for some inexplicable reason they still exist as planks on political platforms.

The best thing the GOP can do is take those planks out of their platform.

[Jester]

The reason, at least in the case of abortion, that there is still debate is because it's a matter of (potential) life and death. Some people, myself included, see the unborn not just as a clump of cells, but a potential human life and as such should be protected.

Why does a right to "choose" trump the unborn's right to life? My freedom of speech, the first right afforded me by the constitution, can be snuffed out at a moments notice if in using it I encroaches on someone's right to life.

[The Stryker]

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[Katie]

Its fine to belive that...its your choice. I would never have an abortion unless I was going to die from the pregnancy or if I was raped.

Some people don't see it that way. And it's not our place to tell anyone how to believe. Or that one view is right or not. That's their choice and their decision. We aren't supposed to judge.

Church and state is and should be separate. No laws should be on the books just because it is the ferverent belief of any religious organization that something should or should not be.

[Jester]

That's just it, thought Katie, it's not just the "religious right" that has issue with abortion. Sure, a lot of the pro-life movement is made up of religious people, but there are those who also speak from a biological stand point. By 8 weeks the fetus is distinctly human, and at 11 to 14 weeks you can tell the sex of the fetus. Something with it's own distinct set of genitals is not just a clump of cells.

[Katie]

Sure....but whether or not you can see the genetalia (weird focus BTW) the embryo is dependent on the woman. If there's no woman, there's no living embryo.

Again, I couldn't bring myself to have an abortion except in the cases I mentioned, so I'm with you on the life and all that and I'm very socially liberal. However, it's a touchy thing to force someone to incubate or procreate if they don't want to. Until that baby comes out, it is part of the woman. And also passing those kinds of laws opens up some very slippery slopes in terms of situations such as test tube fertilization, miscarriages, and the like.

I have my moral belief, but if it's not yours, I shouldn't be telling you that I'm right and you're wrong.

[Redeemer]

I voted for Gary Johnson this year. Was hoping to see him get enough of the popular vote so that the Libertarian Party could have access to federal funding in 4 years, and in turn make enough noise in the polls to be able to take part in the debates.
Yeah that is BS that Johnson couldn't be in the debates

[GK Punk]

Wow really? You ban a guy because you don't like his political views? Real mature.

He has a LONG history of attacking people in political threads, he's been asked to stop, banned from this section of the forum multiple times, access given back, then keeps continuing to do so. Since it's a recurring problem, yes this was the answer. Had nothing to do with political views. I disagree with a lot (most) of the stuff posted in here, but I don't care because they aren't attacking people. Me and Jester think entirely differently on politics, yet he's still here. And we get along famously.

And also, he's not banned from the forum. He can access every section other than this one.

[BubblyShell22]

They talked about the economy and the job market the most actually. It was actually considered a deciding factor in some states so I don't know where you're getting your information.

If the guy running believes in god or whatever why should they have to hide it? To appease overly sensitive people that get upset when a person says 'bless you' after a sneeze? If that's what they believe in, hey whatever. Just don't try and blur the line between church and state which only came up with the crazies on BS mountain.

They can believe whatever they want, but they need to remember that not everyone believes the same way and that they shouldn't act like what they believe is the way that everyone should believe. That's what I'm getting at. And people say, "Bless you" to me all the time when I sneeze, and I thank them for it because it's the polite thing to do. I don't have a problem with that.

Politicians should just keep their beliefs to themselves and leave everyone else alone when it comes to that stuff. Our world would be a lot better if people just left that stuff at the door.

[The Stryker]

They can believe whatever they want, but they need to remember that not everyone believes the same way and that they shouldn't act like what they believe is the way that everyone should believe. That's what I'm getting at. And people say, "Bless you" to me all the time when I sneeze, and I thank them for it because it's the polite thing to do. I don't have a problem with that.

Politicians should just keep their beliefs to themselves and leave everyone else alone when it comes to that stuff. Our world would be a lot better if people just left that stuff at the door.

Again. That's exactly what they did outside of a few weird Romney blurbs. What the hell are you even talking about?

Nobody is ever saying "Hey I'm a christian and everyone else should be too." the whole 'christian nation' garbage only comes from the whackos. It's just crazy paranoia that you're getting at.

But still, if a dude believes in god he shouldn't have to act like he doesn't.

[BubblyShell22]

*sighs* You so aren't listening to what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he should act like he doesn't, you idiot. I'm just saying that politicians should keep that sh*t to themselves when campaigning. Don't put your personal beliefs in your campaign and act like everyone else is going to follow you or act like that's how you're going to run the country. Both parties do it all the time, and I'm sick of it. For example, if someone is pro-life, that's fine, but they shouldn't act like that's how everyone should believe and how they would force people to not have the right to choose.

But whatever. I wouldn't expect someone like you to get what I'm saying. I think the world would be a better place if politicians just stopped hawking their beliefs and using it in their campaigns. It's ridiculous and just makes me hate the more than ever. If you don't agree with me, fine. You'll never understand how I feel about this, and that's okay. You can believe whatever the f*ck you want, and I'll believe whatever the f*ck I want. Frankly, I'd rather vote for a president who shares my belief system, but that'll probably never happen, so screw it. I'm not going to waste my time voting for someone who doesn't share what I believe in.

[Jester]

But how are you gonna know they share your belief system if they shut up about their personal belief system?

It seems you think politicians should just "shut up about what they believe" if it run contrary to what you personally believe.

[The Stryker]

*sighs* You so aren't listening to what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he should act like he doesn't, you idiot. I'm just saying that politicians should keep that sh*t to themselves when campaigning. Don't put your personal beliefs in your campaign and act like everyone else is going to follow you or act like that's how you're going to run the country. Both parties do it all the time, and I'm sick of it. For example, if someone is pro-life, that's fine, but they shouldn't act like that's how everyone should believe and how they would force people to not have the right to choose.

But whatever. I wouldn't expect someone like you to get what I'm saying. I think the world would be a better place if politicians just stopped hawking their beliefs and using it in their campaigns. It's ridiculous and just makes me hate the more than ever. If you don't agree with me, fine. You'll never understand how I feel about this, and that's okay. You can believe whatever the f*ck you want, and I'll believe whatever the f*ck I want. Frankly, I'd rather vote for a president who shares my belief system, but that'll probably never happen, so screw it. I'm not going to waste my time voting for someone who doesn't share what I believe in.

So now you're going to get all testy?

So they don't have to act like they don't believe in what they believe in but they should just never acknowledge that they believe in anything...thus acting like they don't. Kinda weiiiird. I totally understand what you're saying but you're completely misinformed it seems. None of the candidates were forcing their religions on anyone or even implying that you have to be this or that to support them.

Statements like that smack of Paranoid 'everyone's out to change me' garbage.

If anything you're the one trying to get people to change their belief system just because it bothers you.

Care to tell me what religion Obama belongs to and what denomination? Since that's ALL he talked about according to you? No wiki or google.

EDIT: Side-Note but your reason for not voting seems to change by the post! Consistencyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy man!

[mysterycolor]

Obama is a light-weight "christian"... that is typically all he calls himself whenever asked about his faith, though i believe in the early part of his first term he was described as baptist... essentially he just believes that Jesus Christ is the savior, which is the foundation of Christianity... and not denomination specific.

Unfortunately any truly religious politician is pushing his views onto you, because if he is true in his beliefs it will influence what actions he sides with once in office. so even though they might not say you have to be XYZ in order to vote, the entire system implies that you must be tolerant of the belief system, and what it stands for, that those in power hold.

Gay rights and women's rights aren't important? What the?

yeah... i am with you Stryker, that was a strange statement...and a large part of the thinking behind why Romney lost the campaign. He played his entire campaign out as if he was trying to win over his friends. So in the end it was the minorities that made the decision for the majority... he stuck his foot in his mouth when it came to anything involving women, completely ignored the latino & african american voters and did all but personally ask middle class america to not vote for him.

[BubblyShell22]

This is going nowhere, so I'm just going to say f*ck it. I meant to say that they can believe what they want, but they shouldn't use religion in their campaigns for how they want to change the country. Romney did that in his campaign, and it bit him in the a**. And while Obama is pro choice, he wants to force other religious institutions to perform abortions even if that's not what they believe in. That's what I mean by forcing beliefs onto others. It's ridiculous and is done all the time.

And my reasons for voting haven't changed. That was just another reason I forgot to mention before.

Whatever. F*ck religion and f*ck politics. I hate them both and want nothing to do with them. You can have freedom of religion. I have no problem with that, but everyone else seems to as it's always, "My belief system is the one that needs to be followed in this country and nobody else can believe anything else other than that." F*ck it all.

[The Stryker]

This is going nowhere, so I'm just going to say f*ck it. I meant to say that they can believe what they want, but they shouldn't use religion in their campaigns for how they want to change the country. Romney did that in his campaign, and it bit him in the a**. And while Obama is pro choice, he wants to force other religious institutions to perform abortions even if that's not what they believe in. That's what I mean by forcing beliefs onto others. It's ridiculous and is done all the time.

And my reasons for voting haven't changed. That was just another reason I forgot to mention before.

Whatever. F*ck religion and f*ck politics. I hate them both and want nothing to do with them. You can have freedom of religion. I have no problem with that, but everyone else seems to as it's always, "My belief system is the one that needs to be followed in this country and nobody else can believe anything else other than that." F*ck it all.

My word. Obama is just giving the choice to people who DON'T follow those religions. He's not breaking into churches and making priests perform abortions in the church themselves. Pro choice is just about freedom for those outside of those circles. It's not forcing the religious to do anything. Once again, completely misinformed and overly paranoid.

I think you have some real deep seeded trauma here because nobody on the trail said anything like that and nobody here has even hinted at something like that. Calm the f*ck down. Nobody is trying to force anything on you. Nobody cares.



Unfortunately any truly religious politician is pushing his views onto you, because if he is true in his beliefs it will influence what actions he sides with once in office. so even though they might not say you have to be XYZ in order to vote, the entire system implies that you must be tolerant of the belief system, and what it stands for, that those in power hold.

What an awful thing. Tolerance.

[Katie]

I find it pretty funny that tolerance of religion is a bad thing, but atheists are always shoving in your face that we should accept their way of life.

Tolerance works both ways. I personally respect your right not to believe....stop saying we're stupid if we do believe in something bigger than we are.

People say evangelical Christians are terrible. Evangelical atheists are just as bad. Know what's really cool about the United States? Believe....or not. It's all good. Don't bash someone 'cause they don't see things the way you do. Embrace the divirsity.

[mysterycolor]

What an awful thing. Tolerance.

just to be clear, i never said there was anything negative about tolerance... so i am not sure why the sarcasm was necessary... i was simply explaining that the personal views of the candidate are always part of it and can't simply be left out of the campaign as previously suggested.

I find it pretty funny that tolerance of religion is a bad thing, but atheists are always shoving in your face that we should accept their way of life.

Tolerance works both ways. I personally respect your right not to believe....stop saying we're stupid if we do believe in something bigger than we are.

People say evangelical Christians are terrible. Evangelical atheists are just as bad. Know what's really cool about the United States? Believe....or not. It's all good. Don't bash someone 'cause they don't see things the way you do. Embrace the divirsity.

i would say that it might seem that atheists are shoving in your face that their way of life should also be tolerated, simply because believers already have the luxury of being accepted in mainstream society therefore they arent seeking it, the expect it. furthermore, as an atheist, i embrace all of my friends of different faiths- so i dont know if the "you" you are referring to is a general atheist or actually directed at me... but either way it is a pretty lame blanket statement.

[Dirty Blond]

Just wait till Obama wins a third term.

[plastroncafe]

Unfortunately "Believe or not, it's all cool" is not how the US is currently set up.
It's more "believe in what we believe in, or shut up/put up."

Perfect examples of this will become apparent the closer we get to the winter holiday season.

[XERO]

Just wait till Obama wins a third term.

My presidency knowledge is kinda rusty, but aren't US presidents only allowed 2 terms in office?

It's not like the old days where FDR had 4 terms.

[Dirty Blond]

That's my bone-dry humor again. Sorry.

:tsmile:

[XERO]

It's all good. I thought you was just straight up stating that.

[plastroncafe]

For what it's worth, Dirty Blond, I laughed.

[The Stryker]

i would say that it might seem that atheists are shoving in your face that their way of life should also be tolerated, simply because believers already have the luxury of being accepted in mainstream society therefore they arent seeking it, the expect it. furthermore, as an atheist, i embrace all of my friends of different faiths- so i dont know if the "you" you are referring to is a general atheist or actually directed at me... but either way it is a pretty lame blanket statement.

Care to post a link to that 'reason' rally where it's nothing but a photo gallery of people with posters and shirts that basically amount to "People who believe in god are DUMB. Not me."?

That's the thing that gets me. Believe or not believe in whatever you want but do we really need MORE of that hateful garbage? I know you're saying 'but Christians and whoever do it too!" I hate that sh*t too! Two wrongs don't make a right and you damn sure aren't winning anybody over by bashing evangelicals for being hate filled and pushy while doing the EXACT same thing.

That's just me though. I don't 'tolerate' my friends of different faiths. I just love the f*ckers.

[TheCanadiandrome]

My presidency knowledge is kinda rusty, but aren't US presidents only allowed 2 terms in office?

It's not like the old days where FDR had 4 terms.

exactly right. unlike here where our Leaders seem to stay long past expiration! :lol:

[Katie]

The you was general. Don't be so sensitive.

And I agree with Stryker. Saw the reason rally post and it was disgusting. And I agree with him on pushy Christians too evangelicals of all forms are part of the problem.

No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them into church. No one forces you to go to temple or the mosque on Fridays.

If someone starts preaching something you don't believe, politely change the subject. Not that hard. Don't want to look at a Christmas tree or menorah? Don't go to the ceremonies or service.....and since there's no reason to exchange gifts, avoid the mall too. Enjoy the extra toys in Wal Mart, etc.

One of the sweetest friends I've ever had was a buddahist monk in Nashville. I volunteered to drive him and his fellow monks to the grocery store when they needed it. He said to me once in December how much he enjoyed Christmas for all the decorations and general good will among the people. Sweet sentament. He obviously didn't believe in Jesus.....but chose to see the beauty of the season.

If more people were like that things would be great.

Peace

[mysterycolor]

And I agree with Stryker. Saw the reason rally post and it was disgusting.

the post i made about the reason rally only had one link (reasonrally.com) and no one even got a chance to speak about the event before it was locked... how was it disgusting????

[The Stryker]

the post i made about the reason rally only had one link (reasonrally.com) and no one even got a chance to speak about the event before it was locked... how was it disgusting????

Probably talking about the content of the link like I was.

Like I said. It was pretty much a photo gallery of people with signs, posters and shirts plastered with messages that pretty much equal "LOL People that believe in god are idiots unlike us."

[mysterycolor]

well, i am sorry that you guys are so offended. since you werent there, i can fill you in that it was a fabulous event- the speakers were amazing, the musical acts rocked (bad religion, tim minchin and more!) and the comedians kept us laughing despite the rain. And just as you said about no one forcing people to go to church, no one forced anyone to go to the reason rally, we were all there to support each other.

Now onto something that really does get pushed in your face and truly deserves the word DISGUSTING... how about those tasteless, exploitive pro-life commericials they were running as a last ditch effort to scare people into voting... sheesh...

[The Stryker]

well, i am sorry that you guys are so offended. since you werent there, i can fill you in that it was a fabulous event- the speakers were amazing, the musical acts rocked (bad religion, tim minchin and more!) and the comedians kept us laughing despite the rain. And just as you said about no one forcing people to go to church, no one forced anyone to go to the reason rally, we were all there to support each other.

Now onto something that really does get pushed in your face and truly deserves the word DISGUSTING... how about those tasteless, exploitive pro-life commericials they were running as a last ditch effort to scare people into voting... sheesh...

So you're just going to ignore the hateful propaganda all over the place? Alrighty.

And yeah those ads are gross.

[plastroncafe]

The "If more people would just assimilate to my point of view the whole world would be nicer," idea is part of the problem.

[The Stryker]

The "If more people would just assimilate to my point of view the whole world would be nicer," idea is part of the problem.

I completely agree but it goes both ways. That's all I'm hawking at. Ya feel me?

[plastroncafe]

As the kids say, Totes.

There are always going to be fundie jerks. Always. What needs to happen is the people who the fundie jerks are claiming to represent need to step up and shout the fundie jerks down.

Don't tell me that not all Christians are Christianists, tell them. Shout them down. Just like it's my job, as a person of non-faith to tell people who claim to represent a unified Atheist movement...of which there isn't one by the way, that bigotry does not/will not aid our movement.

[Azrael Macool]

As the kids say, Totes.

There are always going to be fundie jerks. Always. What needs to happen is the people who the fundie jerks are claiming to represent need to step up and shout the fundie jerks down.

Don't tell me that not all Christians are Christianists, tell them. Shout them down. Just like it's my job, as a person of non-faith to tell people who claim to represent a unified Atheist movement...of which there isn't one by the way, that bigotry does not/will not aid our movement.

This. So, so much. I am a Christian, and when I try and combat the extremists, all the time I by hit with "You should be nicer, they're brothers/sisters of the faith!"
To me that makes it worse! If someone else has a different belief system where they think its okay to hurt people and perpetuate a system which favors the powerful, that's their own thing, but I see someone of MY faith acting that way? I feel like overturning tables.

[Dirty Blond]

LOL @ the tag.

[BladeEdge86]

I didn't support either Obama or Romney and since I don't believe in voting for the "lesser evil" I voted for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson instead so I wasn't going to be happy regardless of who would have won.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I think it's sad that the Independent parties and the Libertarian parties never get any chance to prove themselves. They're just there to fill the ballot. I probably would have voted for Libertarian since they're the type who leaves everyone alone and lets everyone do as they please.

[CyberCubed]

Obama times were interesting.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think there was anything wrong with his first term. He saved the race baiting divisive stuff for the 2nd.

[ZariusTwo]

I didn't notice much wrong with Obama's two terms, although I felt the divisiveness really rise to the surface as the election race kicked in. Obama's mic drop on Trump was his most arrogant move.

[Mayhem]

Obama lost the House and Senate for much of his second term, so there was not a huge lot of progress or policies he could enact because he got blocked at every turn. Rather like I’m predicting the second half of this Trump term.

[Prowler]

Obama was a good talker. People liked him for that.

Funny how he also was a belligerent president like most American presidents are, and yet doesn't get much flack for it compared to other US presidents.

[CyberCubed]

Remember how Trump tried so hard to prove Obama wasn't born in America and demanded to see his birth certificate? Even though Obama was born in Hawaii, Trump tried so hard to prove he was born in Africa or something like Kenya.

Trump's rise to supervillain presidency all started with his hatred of Obama.

[member_removed]

I don't think there was anything wrong with his first term. He saved the race baiting divisive stuff for the 2nd.


Remember how Trump tried so hard to prove Obama wasn't born in America and demanded to see his birth certificate? Even though Obama was born in Hawaii, Trump tried so hard to prove he was born in Africa or something like Kenya.

Trump's rise to supervillain presidency all started with his hatred of Obama.

Yeah, all that race baiting is a one-way street.

[sdp]

please for the love of heysus give us Trump v Obama third term Presidential race 2028