Official Ep Discussion: #9 "The Gauntlet" aka "Enter Shredder"

[Machias Banshee]

Alrighty, let's give this a go!

So, April is a little more than shocked to get a warning from her dad - from a giant mutant pigeon of all things. Apparently, the Kraang have something up their collective sleeves, and it involves mutagen and the NYC water supply.

Scary mutant thing out to poison the water, only to be stopped by other scary mutant thing... sounds a lot like Dreamcatcher by Stephen King.

After seeing this week's preview with Pete the giant pigeon, I can't imagine trying to take a walk in a park with a flock of mutant birds flying overhead. It'd be like getting pooped on by a pterodactyl... or Big Bird. But it shows that there's only going to be more problems of the Kraang doing their weird experiments in the dark alleys of the city.

The question I have is... how will the Shredder fit into all of this? We know so little about Shredder at this point. We saw a (fairly young and handsome) picture of Saki from the episode of Mike and Chris Bradford... that photo has intrigued many ever since it first appeared. There's going to be a history between Saki and Yoshi unlike anything we've seen on TV.

So, first impressions: Shredder is horribly scarred, and he's got some sort of skyscraper in use in the center of the city. But he's coming with the intention of getting Splinter once and for all. Is his physical state the result of something that happened between the two? Perhaps he was injured during the major fire that killed Tang Shen and cost Yoshi his daughter? Perhaps we'll have a little bit of the financial powerhouse that Shredder was in the 2K3 series. Perhaps he's looking at TCRI as a financial ally? Or weapons developer...


Also, some people are predicting that this episode may be the one where we see Bradford and Xever possibly get mutated into Dogpound and Fishface, respectively. While I'm looking forward to what the writers have in store for us, I personally like the idea of having more human villains.

Bradford is SO well known in the martial arts circles, there would have to be some sort of way for him to use that to his advantage - TV, social media, local live events. Xever's more important in the lower levels of society, in the gangs and prisons. He could have a major network of bad guys to collaborate with, if he had the reputation to be that kind of leader.

I think the most dangerous villain is one that has the power to influence public opinion. Anyone remember Dregg from the OT? Or Shredder from 2K3? It's all about the people you know...

So,

WILT THY EVIL SHREDDER COMMETH AND MERRILY SMOTE MANY A TURTLE?!
CAN APRIL FIND HER DAD BEFORE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO HIM?
AND WILL MIKE SURVIVE THE 'TRAUMA' OF A GIANT PIGEON PROBING HIM FOR BREADCRUMBS?!

Stay Tuned!!!

[Machias Banshee]

We're Open!

*runs!*

[marcelangelo]

hey, why do some assume that here rad brad and xever will be mutated?I cant follow this somehow...advice would be welcome, compadres!)...
I hope we get another motion comic scene in this episode!wishing all of you who are able to watch this in a few minutes mucho fun!looking forward to read your thoughts and observations!...
booyakashaa!

[oldmanwinters]

It's pretty cool that the Nick Turtles Vs. Foot campaign (http://tmntmaster.tumblr.com/#!/post/35822641008/remember-mikeys-pet-pigeon) admits this episode is an intentional reference to Fred Wolf episode, "What's Michaelangelo Good For?"

Nice concept art (http://tmntmaster.tumblr.com/#!/post/35822083376/pete-the-pigeon-reappears-on-nickturtles-this) too!

[NinjaMan]

LOL gotta love Mikey and the smoke bombs. So close to saving her dad. And now we have Fishface and Dogpound!!!!!! And Shredder!!!!!! He kicked the Turtles butts! And was about to kill them all! Wow! I love t his show! Shredder is no joke!

[oldmanwinters]

I really liked this episode. I thought the promise of mutant pidgeon, mutation of Bradford & Xever, Kraang bomb plot, AND the turtles' 1st encounter with Shredder wok be too much plot for one episode, but it didn't feel overambitious at all. Great episode!

[marcelangelo]

oh man, dudes!more, more, MORE information!!who knows when some of us over here will be able to see it;)...
sounds like a pretty b b b bb baaaaad episode!!!;)

[chrisdude]

FAJKDHLFEHFLK FAEJKLF FEWFGILWFN FWQIELF
:teek::teek::teek::teek::teek:

[Donatello19]

Best episode so far IMO. Shredder was epic and at first I thought they were going to end the battle leaving Shredder hanging from the building, but for the first time in the series so far, the turtles actually lost. Shredder is a foe that is no joke. I also can't wait to see Dogpound and Fishface in action. One thing that I thought was very stupid however, was the pigeon. Whats the point of making a mutant if they're only going to be in the episode for like, less than 5 minutes?
EDIT: Why was this episode titled "The Gauntlet"? What does that even mean?

[NinjaMan]

Shredder was so awesome! The fight was pretty intense. And I like how the scene seemed dark.

[Jephael]

Awesome episode! I loved every second of it! BTW, did anyone catch the clever old toon reference with the hotel's name?

[marcelangelo]

Best episode so far IMO. Shredder was epic and at first I thought they were going to end the battle leaving Shredder hanging from the building, but for the first time in the series so far, the turtles actually lost. Shredder is a foe that is no joke. I also can't wait to see Dogpound and Fishface in action. One thing that I thought was very stupid however, was the pigeon. Whats the point of making a mutant if they're only going to be in the episode for like, less than 5 minutes?
EDIT: Why was this episode titled "The Gauntlet"? What does that even mean?

the blades on shredders hand that can spring load in this version are called a gauntlet..

[chrisdude]

the blades on shredders hand that can spring load in this version are called a gauntlet..

I figured it was more like the expression, "throw down the gauntlet," as in, the challenge someone to a battle.

[tmntfan4ever]

i think the title of the episode is more based on the turtles having went thru a list of events in one episode hence the gauntlet as opposed to the obvious which is the shredder's gauntlet.. the turtles had to try & rescue April's dad, disarm a mutagen bomb, face & defeat Xever & Bradford and finally confront the shredder... which was in Mikey's words.. it was epic :tgrin:

[Donatello19]

the blades on shredders hand that can spring load in this version are called a gauntlet..

Oh, OK. Thanks. I still think they could have made a better title for the episode though. It's not like Shredder's gauntlet was a major plot point or anything.

[Jephael]

i think the title of the episode is more based on the turtles having went thru a list of events in one episode hence the gauntlet as opposed to the obvious which is the shredder's gauntlet.. the turtles had to try & rescue April's dad, disarm a mutagen bomb, face & defeat Xever & Bradford and finally confront the shredder... which was in Mikey's words.. it was epic :tgrin:

I still think they could have made a better title for the episode though. It's not like Shredder's gauntlet was a major plot point or anything.

Why can't the episode title refer to both the Turtles' trials and Shredder's armour?

[vagrant718]

The Gauntlet more like a battle arena

Fought the kranng, then xever and bradford then finally the shredder

[MrTMNT2012]

"The Gauntlet" Title does NO Justice to how Unbelievably AWESOME This Episode was! :) :) :)

I'm still shaking, that's how Epic it was!

[NinjaMan]

This episode is going to get multiple viewings today from me lol. I really can't wait to see Shredder and Splinter when they meet after all these years.

[chrisdude]

i think the title of the episode is more based on the turtles having went thru a list of events in one episode hence the gauntlet as opposed to the obvious which is the shredder's gauntlet.. the turtles had to try & rescue April's dad, disarm a mutagen bomb, face & defeat Xever & Bradford and finally confront the shredder... which was in Mikey's words.. it was epic :tgrin:That makes the most since. Besides, if those things Shredder wear really are called gauntlets, he has two. It's not called "The Gauntlets."

[HerpDerp]

This episode. This episode, man.
I kept thinking, "this is my favourite part so far" and then a few seconds later I'd think the same thing. There were just that many good bits.

[pannoni1]

Definitely an episode I really need to watch again to get a better feel about what happened, since so much took place! As soon as I saw the dog by Christ Bradford, I knew that it was almost certain that the Dogpund/Fishface mutation was bound to happen, and I felt that the Wolf tower was the place that it was going to happen, and that once the Turtles knocked Chris and Xever with the liquid substance, they would get mutated as soon as they returned, and I was right. Too bad the Turtles couldn't rescue Kirby, it was too good to be true for the Turtles to defeat Shredder the first time around, since they defeated him the first time in the comics, 4kids, the movies, and the OT. I also wonder if the "WOLF" tower was in reference to Fred Wolf perhaps, since we had Murakami in the last episode. I still can't believe that the Kraang control base is directly underground in the sewers in a Star Wars-esque chamber. I'm not sure too, but I think we also get the series' first daytime appearance above ground at the start of the episode.

Overall: 9/10

[NinjaMan]

Definitely an episode I really need to watch again to get a better feel about what happened, since so much took place! As soon as I saw the dog by Christ Bradford, I knew that it was almost certain that the Dogpund/Fishface mutation was bound to happen, and I felt that the Wolf tower was the place that it was going to happen, and that once the Turtles knocked Chris and Xever with the liquid substance, they would get mutated as soon as they returned, and I was right. Too bad the Turtles couldn't rescue Kirby, it was too good to be true for the Turtles to defeat Shredder the first time around, since they defeated him the first time in the comics, 4kids, the movies, and the OT. I also wonder if the "WOLF" tower was in reference to Fred Wolf perhaps, since we had Murakami in the last episode. I still can't believe that the Kraang control base is directly underground in the sewers in a Star Wars-esque chamber. I'm not sure too, but I think we also get the series' first daytime appearance above ground at the start of the episode.

Overall: 9/10

I think we got a day time clip when Mikey and Bradford were eating their pizza earlier in the season. I also like how Shredder ran through them and they didn't win. Very humbling experience for them.

[Keno]

Awesome episode! I laughed at the beginning all through the whole smoke-bomb sequence, and the end fight was epic...until YTV here in Canada decided to make their lame guy talk in a split screen DURING THE ENTIRE FIGHT :x

[Slade]

Awesome awesome awesome episode. Shredder ran through the guys like they were nothing. Can't wait to see more.

[TurtleTitan97]

This was a VERY good episode. My favorite parts are when Mikey uses the smokebombs, and the turtles first encounter with Shredder. That was a very awesome fight scene.:tgrin: Hope we get to see Splinter take him on soon.

[chrisdude]

Definitely my favorite episode, yet. But I say that every two episodes.
I had a few flashbacks to the rooftop fight from the first movie. Like the turtles taking him one at a time, especially seeing Leo get laid out sorta the same way. Watching Mikey get knocked off the roof was kind of hard to watch. The whole fight was, really. I also liked seeing each turtle stop Shredder from making the killing blow on Raph.

Then seeing the turtles all battle-damaged. "Epic" is right.

[DarkLightDragon]

Best episode so far.

And like chrisdude said, I got major flashbacks to the first movie's climax as well as Mirage #1 upon seeing the Turtles's injuries. The way they transistioned to the lair was cool too combined with sad/defeated music.

[Telekinesis]

I loved this episode. Didn't really dig the opening encounter, found it to be a bit strange. Other than that, very solid.

Shot of the turtles 'fading into the night' after the battle with Shredder = epic. Very cool.

[Cure]

What good sh*t, man. I looooved the smoke bomb gags and the fights were tight, too.

[NinjaMan]

I want that Shredder theme that was playing during the fight. It was hot.

[Wretched Reptile]

Good grief, this episode was a big screaming dose of INCREDIBLE. :o:o:o:o:o

That first Shredder encounter was total 1990 live-action movie love. Talk about INTENSE. It felt just like the final fight in the 1990 movie to me, yet for these Turtles and this beast of a Shredder, it's only the beginning! I cannot WAIT for this Splinter (who might be my fave Splinter EVER as of now) and Shredder to throw down and scrap - it's gonna be E-P-I-C. :teek:

The humor in this episode really worked well and had me rolling in the floor. The smoke bomb gags just kept me grinning from ear to ear! :lol: And here comes Dogpound and Fishface! I look forward to seeing how Rad Brad and Xever adjust to their new "makeovers." This ain't no Bebop and Rocksteady 2.0 IMO - as bad as these dudes were as humans, one's gotta believe they're gonna be far more dangerous in their mutated forms - with a newfound grudge to bear as well!

I love the new series SO MUCH! It's full of brilliant wit, ferocious energy and pure fan LOVE. It truly amazes me how this show just keeps getting better and better each week after starting off so incredibly strong to begin with! I've been watching religiously since the premiere and just can't get enough of this latest iteration. It feels like a perfect blend of all previous TMNT incarnations beautifully melded into one fantastic new series.

Can't wait for the next episode, or to re-watch the greatness that was The Gauntlet! :tgrin:

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

I am so happy that the Shredder beat the turtles!! YEEESSS!!!!!:):):):):)


Those green freaks must die!!!

[demonsweat]

This episode. This episode, man.
I kept thinking, "this is my favourite part so far" and then a few seconds later I'd think the same thing. There were just that many good bits.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :D

Here's something I really like about this show. In most action cartoons they tend to make the heroes way too overpowered - you never really get to see the good guys take much damage. They're doing a really good job of balancing that out here. Even when the turtles win a fight, they still take a lot of hits before the end. It's good, keeps things interesting. You don't know if Raph's going to get back up after being electrocuted, or if they'll be carrying him home later.

Another thing I really like is that when one of them gets f'd up, one of the others will go check on him, pick him up and get him back into the fight. It was cool to see Mikey come to Raph's aid for a change.

[oldmanwinters]

Mikey can pull off a great Nightcrawler imitation!

Bamf!

[Coola Yagami]

http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2012/11/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-9-gauntlet.html my thoughts. but wow this episode was packed with so much stuff!

[marcelangelo]

oh man, how can I say anything rightous after such a hell of a rollercoaster ride!its BRILLIANT!!!thats just what it is..mucho fun!

so here is my short summary of feelings that make up this show for me:

I LOVE:
the humour
the brotherhood
the action packed fights
the characters
the city
the music(in the episodes)
the lighting
the learning of lessons and the beatiful worded messages of splinter

togther they all form my favourite part of the week, saturday nights, Booyakashaa-time!;)

hey, what was really sweet in the beginning when april is running away from pigeon pete she passes the cafe balzac;)..now I dont know if this cafe really exists in new york, but it was a featured place in the cosby show back in the days and that show is so close to me, too;)

[Donatello19]

Bad news guys, the series is taking a little break from it's "new episode every Saturday rule". The next episode, titled "Panic In The Sewers", will not air until December 1st.

[chrisdude]

Bad news guys, the series is taking a little break from it's "new episode every Saturday rule". The next episode, titled "Panic In The Sewers", will not air until December 1st.I guess I can't get too upset. That's Thanksgiving weekend. They'll turn right around a disappear around Christmas, too... That's just the way it goes.

[STORMSHADOW__210]

The smoke bombs/mikey scene was hilarious, thats now 9 for 9 fantastic episodes,keep this up and we may have a hall of fame cartoon series here.

Also that might be the best tmnt vs shredder fights I've ever seen.Also the nick shredder is NOT F--King around! Lol

[Donatello19]

I can't stop watching the fight with Shredder XD. I really like how each Turtle is worried about the other and sees if they're ok. Like how Mikey went up to Raph after he had been shocked, or how Donnie screams "Leo!" worried, after Shredder hurts him. It was really sad to watch the turtles getting brutally beaten by Shredder, but still, Shredder was awesome. I really can't wait to see Dogpound and Fishface in action though. They look really awesome!

[Bauer536]

Man. Nickelodeon misled me. I thought this was going to be a weak episode because of Pigeon Pete, but then all these things happened. Well, here it goes.

:teek:Oh my gosh! This episode was awesome! It starts with Pigeon Pete, but then leads to the Kraang, then Xever and Bradford, and lastly . . . SHREDDER! I did not expect him to arrive. However, the turtles became cocky, so I guess this was their wake-up call. Plus, this was intense for a kids show. I love it.:tcool: No wonder Nickelodeon changed the episode title.

There were times during that epic battle where I predicted Xever and Bradford would become Fishface and Dogpound, so I knew that was coming. Then Shredder arrives. Wow. I just can't believe, when Raph was electrocuted and when that sign fell on Mike, that those turtles were still alive. There was no way they could've survived.:tsurpris:

Mikey with the smoke bombs was hilarious. Also, I'm glad that he proves to not be that stupid even though he is the annoying little brother. And that line provided by Don: "We can't let them hurt my April. I mean . . . our April.":tlol:

As for Leo: awesome as always. Those scenes were he snuck up to the Kraang were so cool.:twink:

Lastly, Splinter's line was amazing. "We are at war." I knew he was going to say that.

Overall, a fantastic episode. This is now number 1 on my list. I sure can't wait when this comes onto DVD or Blu-Ray. I don't care if it's the first 13 episodes. I'd love them no matter what.:tsmile:

[kzekedaurus]

A great episode. The tracking shots and quick cuts when the turtles are dispatching the Kraang soldiers on the tower were probably my favorite part. It's not everyday you see stuff like that in western animation, and it's something I wish I could see more often. I appreciate this show's love for style.

Also, Bradford and Xever seem to have a knack for getting washed away. They're like this show's equivalent of Team Rocket.

Also, also, were they making a reference to the dog who waited for it's master until death? Seems like an odd one to make in a show like this. The again, maybe not.

[Yep It's A Trap]

I won't come into this topic and just tell about the things I didn't like (and still don't like) as the shows creative team will just come into the thread like crybabies and have some ridiculous comment about it. Knowing that they have responded the way they have puts a bad taste in my mouth towards the show.

With that said, the fight with Shredder at the end was great. I wish the whole show could have that same tone to it.

[The Stryker]

I won't come into this topic and just tell about the things I didn't like (and still don't like) as the shows creative team will just come into the thread like crybabies and have some ridiculous comment about it. Knowing that they have responded the way they have puts a bad taste in my mouth towards the show.

With that said, the fight with Shredder at the end was great. I wish the whole show could have that same tone to it.

Boy. You're still on that? And STILL not understanding what actually went on there? Wowie.

I like that the show has a lighter tone. Then when you get the contrast like the fight with Shredder it makes it more impactful. The entire show having a gloomy and serious theme would just get tiresome real quick.

[TurtleTitan97]

IGN gave this episode a 9.1: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/17/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-gauntlet-review

[Icegaze]

I am currently watching the episode but I just have to get something off my chest: Mikey's portrayal in this series.
Since at least episode 3, the way Michelangelo acts is just annoying. Too much emphasis is put on how clumsy and "slow" he is (my sig sums up what I'm implying).

This episode just has way too much of all that so I felt I needed to rant about it. It is becoming unbearable for me. Sorry for the negativity but aside the fact that New York city seems always so empty, Mikey's portrayal has got to be the aspect of the show I am least fond of.

Will share my thoughts on the episode shortly as soon as I'm done watching it. :tgrin:

[Candy Kappa]

So much awesomeness in this episode!

The end fight with Xever and Bradford was badass, and it was even better when Shredder appeared.

April got some nice scenes and more character as well

[The Stryker]

I am currently watching the episode but I just have to get something off my chest: Mikey's portrayal in this series.
Since at least episode 3, the way Michelangelo acts is just annoying. Too much emphasis is put on how clumsy and "slow" he is (my sig sums up what I'm implying).

This episode just has way too much of all that so I felt I needed to rant about it. It is becoming unbearable for me. Sorry for the negativity but aside the fact that New York city seems always so empty, Mikey's portrayal has got to be the aspect of the show I am least fond of.

Will share my thoughts on the episode shortly as soon as I'm done watching it. :tgrin:

He's the annoying little brother. That's his character. He's young, naive and stupid. He's actually the only one to get a momentary leg up on Shredder in the whole fight.

Also. The new york thing. They aren't in new york city. They're in Brooklyn or maybe Queens. Those places are deserted in the am hours. Kinda sick of hearing that complaint from people that know nothing of that area.

[Jester]

So....Bradford and Xever touched the dog and the fish....and then the Turtles, who touched Pete and probably Splinter....man using Fred Wolf mutagen logic is hard. Then again, they tried to buy that back with the "The Kraang kidnapped scientists to make the mutagen's properties more stable/work in our dimension." so....well played Nick writers.

And are all the mutants in this show gonna be accidental?

[The Stryker]

So....Bradford and Xever touched the dog and the fish....and then the Turtles, who touched Pete and probably Splinter....man using Fred Wolf mutagen logic is hard. Then again, they tried to buy that back with the "The Kraang kidnapped scientists to make the mutagen's properties more stable/work in our dimension." so....well played Nick writers.

And are all the mutants in this show gonna be accidental?

The pidgeon wasn't an accident.

[Candy Kappa]

Was Rockwell and Pete an accident?

[Jester]

Ok...so will 9 out of every 11 mutants be an accident?

[The Stryker]

Whats the big problem with that?

[NinjaMan]

I've watched the fight with Shredder ten times now lol.

[Jester]

8 out of 10.
Accidental Mutants:

Leonardo
Donatello
Raphael
Michelangelo
Hamato Yoshi/Splinter
Snake/Snakeweed
Vic/Spiderbytes
Bradford/Dogpound
Xever/Fishface

Non-accidental Mutants:

Rockwell/Monkey
Pigeon Pete

:D

[NinjaMan]

Leatherhead will probably be accidental as well.

[Icegaze]

The episode was good but I guess the hype made it so that I didn't quite enjoy it as much as I would have imagined.
Still prefer episodes 4 and 8 to this one.

The fight scenes are top notch, as usual. By far my favourite aspect of the show with the chemistry between the bros and master Splinter of course.
Sad Xever got turned in this episode. :( Would have liked to see him in many more episodes in his human form.

Overall enjoyable eppie.

[The Stryker]

Accidental Mutants:

Leonardo
Donatello
Raphael
Michelangelo
Hamato Yoshi/Splinter
Snake/Snakeweed
Vic/Spiderbytes
Bradford/Dogpound
Xever/Fishface

Non-accidental Mutants:

Rockwell/Monkey
Pigeon Pete

:D

I edited my post like a second after. Realized what you was saying.

I say again, What's the problem?

[Jester]

I edited my post like a second after. Realized what you was saying.

I say again, What's the problem?
Nothing. I just figured I'd mention it before Cybercubed beat it into the ground or gobo and Andrew used it as a reason to hate on the episode.

Sad Xever got turned in this episode. :( Would have liked to see him in many more episodes in his human form.
Part of me wonders if the plot will turn to Shredder promising Bradford and Xever to attempt return them to normal if they, "DESTROY THE TURTLES!!!" only to have him refuse or reveal there is no reversing it. I mean, I could see Xever having issues and wanting to be normal again but Bradford growing to like his new form.

[The Stryker]

Nothing. I just figured I'd mention it before Cybercubed beat it into the ground or gobo and Andrew used it as a reason to hate on the episode.

Ah ok. Was about to say. It's like getting mad at Batman villains for having sad backstories.

[Icegaze]

Another thing I loved about the episode was Raphael laughing at the pidgeon story and the way he reacts when he realizes no one else is laughing with him. Raph is so awesome in this show. "Mighty mutants? What, dancing dorks was already taken?" XD

[gobo]

I don't think I've ever made this comment publicly, but... The Kraang's tentacles look like jellyfish stingers. So, do you think The Foot were following Pete or did they just catch up with him right as he found The Turtles? There's a certain amount of curiosity that just naturally comes with a pigeon the size of a large man flying around the city, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's all it was.

[LeoNerdo]

Another thing I loved about the episode was Raphael laughing at the pidgeon story and the way he reacts when he realizes no one else is laughing with him. Raph is so awesome in this show. "Mighty mutants? What, dancing dorks was already taken?" XD

I almost thought Leo was going to say 'Mighty Mutanimals' there at first.. I'm weird :tshifty:

[demonsweat]

I mean, I could see Xever having issues and wanting to be normal again but Bradford growing to like his new form.

Hm, I don't know about that. Bradford really got off on his popularity as a celebrity martial arts figure, I'm thinking as a mutant he'll have to go into hiding like the others.

[alliance]

aaaah...

well now that i do feel a lil better i was wondering what was your guy's thoughts when april saw her dad.. my heart skipped a beat when she looked down and saw him..

This new cartoon doesnt f*ck around, very real..kinda like the 1st movie, hmm..

[Coola Yagami]

I'm curious as to why Shredder would be nice enough to even bother to give Xever a breathing machine and cyber legs.

[The Fifth Turtle]

Best episode by far. How has no one mentioned the obvious throwbacks to issue 1!?!?!

[FoxZerro]

As perfect as I felt last weeks episode was this episode multiplied that perfection by about a million. I was speechless after the end of the episode so much so that I needed to sleep on it and watch it again in order to fully organize my thoughts.

First just to make sure I say it the fact that Raphael got smacked into the the hotel sign and electrocuted rang so close to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: The Manhattan Project that I couldn't contain the smile on my face.

In the scope of the episode starting with Petey the Pigeon was great it totally threw me off the scent of what the episode would be about. Then as things started to fall into place and we were slowly introduced to the gauntlet that the Turtles would eventuslly would have to run throughout the episode was well paced and played out beautifully. By the time the Shredder showed up as the Turtles had the best hubris moment ever I was so mentally exhausted that I didn't think I would be able to deal. Luckily it playing out almost step for step like the climactic battle from the first movie gave me the second wind I needed to see it through. Perhaps the best part was that the mutation of Xever and Brad didn't end up being the battle of the week. I do feel for Xever though after seeing how effectively he was able to fight with his legs in this episode makes me feel for the fact that he lost his legs in the mutation.

I was also a huge fan of the ensemble feel of the plot. Instead of focusing on just one turtle this episode focused on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as a group and thanks to all of the masterful character development we've been exposed to up until now made it such a great display. All of the turtles were spot on and seeing that the development actually enhanced the experience was refreshing. So often when there is heavy character development it all seems to be forgotten when the group comes together again. To see a kid's show where the character's are strong and dynamic with each other instead of just the strongest character takes control in group scenes is very refreshing.

One small gripe is the fact that arguably the very first mutants (Splinter and the Turtles) were perfect, so why is it after 15 years the mutagen is now creating more freak like mutants. My guess would be that its exposure to our dimension that caused its imperfection and that is what they are trying to have the scientists combat.

All in all I can not wai to see where this great story goes next and I'm thankful for the break next week in order to recover from the awesome storm that was this episode

Also, also, were they making a reference to the dog who waited for it's master until death? Seems like an odd one to make in a show like this. The again, maybe not.

This is the first thing that I thought of, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was what they were going. It also plays in nicely to the character of Chris Bradford since Hachiko was hopelessly devoted to his master and so is Rad Brad.

Accidental Mutants:

Leonardo
Donatello
Raphael
Michelangelo
Hamato Yoshi/Splinter
Snake/Snakeweed
Vic/Spiderbytes
Bradford/Dogpound
Xever/Fishface

Non-accidental Mutants:

Rockwell/Monkey
Pigeon Pete

:D

Nice list, but I'm not entirely convinced that the Turtles mutation was accidental. I'm basing this purely on the fact that in the theme song it shows Splinter placing the turtles in the ooze. I guess I have it in my head that Yoshi after being accidentally mutated by the ooze into a rat, that he took his unmutated pet turtles and mutated them, finally seeing a way to have students after being dishonoured by the Foot and get his revenge on Shredder. From there I think raising them as his sons softened him and he decided against the route of vengence. I feel this way because it my daughter were stolen by my greatest enemy, as has been heavily implied by the backstories, I would do anything even create mutant turtle ninjas to get her back.

[Lethal Lullaby]

I really enjoyed every moment of this episode. :D

[bree23]

this episode was so great! I'm so excited for next week! :D It looks as if things are really starting to heat up!

[TheCanadiandrome]

Bad news guys, the series is taking a little break from it's "new episode every Saturday rule". The next episode, titled "Panic In The Sewers", will not air until December 1st.

Odd! According to my TV guide, YTV has this listed for next Saturday :ohwell:


Awesome episode! I laughed at the beginning all through the whole smoke-bomb sequence, and the end fight was epic...until YTV here in Canada decided to make their lame guy talk in a split screen DURING THE ENTIRE FIGHT :x

I know right?! I mean where'd they find that idiot any way? He's so annoying :x

[oldmanwinters]

Bad news guys, the series is taking a little break from it's "new episode every Saturday rule". The next episode, titled "Panic In The Sewers", will not air until December 1st.

I figured this episode was a good choice to leave us hanging with.

If I recall, the 4Kids series took a few weeks off after "The Shredder Strikes" part 2 aired.

[Powder]

Not much to say others haven't already, other than that I LOVE this series so much. Dear god. It's so funny & well choreographed.

[The Stryker]

Might be going out on a limb here but I feel like if this show keeps up this pace and doesn't implode upon itself in the second and third season it could end up as the best TMNT anything ever.

Comics, Cartoons, Movies, Games. Full stop.

[CyberCubed]

I need to see Krang, Slash, Bebop/Rocksteady and Armaggon debut before I say its the best TMNT series ever.

[gobo]

I'm curious as to why Shredder would be nice enough to even bother to give Xever a breathing machine and cyber legs.
He sees potential in this new turn of events, I would imagine.

[marcelangelo]

Best episode by far. How has no one mentioned the obvious throwbacks to issue 1!?!?!

just came down to say exactly that but methinks someone already mentioned at least the wounded turtles moment from issue 1...but there is more in the fight choreography taen from pannels from that sweet first issue;)loved that!there is even a akira kurosawa moment when donatello strikes with his bo and when the shredder grabs the attacking leonardo and throws him off that looked just like what shredder did in the debut with michelangelo....so very koooool!!....just saw the episode for the third time tonight(I am watching all the episodes that often actually..), but I thin I have merely started the re-watchathon;)....yeah, I loed mikes smoke bombs gags and raph laughing at aprils story....master splinter really worded his teachings so very well, it is so beautiful and effective the way he puts it and the way hoon lee delivers it...man, I cant wait to get that show on dvd one day!!!OH YEAH-speaking of comic adaptation here, did you get the koool graphics duo shade backgrounds in shredders battle??maximum kooool!even the faded sky like pete and kevin used to draw is exactly interpreted...man, I think I just HAVE to watch it immediatelly again!;)
hahahaha
its good to be green!
Booyakashaaaa!!

[Donatello19]

I am the only one who thought this episode felt like a two parter? It obviously wasn't, I guess it's just that there was so many things going on.

[The Stryker]

I need to see Krang, Slash, Bebop/Rocksteady and Armaggon debut before I say its the best TMNT series ever.

You've seen Krang already. A lot.

Also your only qualifier is certain characters appearing?

[CyberCubed]

You've seen Krang already. A lot.

Also your only qualifier is certain characters appearing?

We've seen the Kraang, but we haven't seen Krang. Where is the Dimension X warlord who commands his Stone Warrior army?

Since we know General Traag is confirmed, it gives me hope that Krang will show up as the leader of the Kraang. Because right now they're basically just evil Utroms.

[Kevin G]

Here are my two cents:

I thought this was such a kick ass episode.

I love both the design and voice of Pigeon Pete (and this is coming from a guy who has a phobia of birds). Nice nod to the 1987- 1996 series.

Shredder is insane. He totally wiped the floor with the Turtles. I loved how a blade appeared between Shredder's gauntlets when he had Leonardo against the wall.

I'm happy to finally see Dogpound and Fishface, although, I personally would have liked to see Chris Bradford and Xever go up against The Kraang before they mutated into their now current counterparts. I have a stupid question though, when Snake mutated to Snakeweed and Vic mutated to Spider Bytez they both respectfully were near weeds and a spider. When Chris broke the glass and the mutagen poured all over with Chris and Xever being covered in it where was Auku (I apologize for spelling the dog's name wrong) and the fish that Xever mutated from ? I thought the fish was being chopped up off screen ?

I assume that is also counts with whatever you last touch is what you mutate, other then being next to a living organism.

I can't wait for Shredder to meet The Kraang and for them to work together to battle the Turtles. I'm sure this was already brought up before, but will the Krang (from the original series) appear in the 2012 series.



Overall excellent episode.

[The Stryker]

We've seen the Kraang, but we haven't seen Krang. Where is the Dimension X warlord who commands his Stone Warrior armor?

Since we know General Traag is confirmed, it gives me hope that Krang will show up as the leader of the Kraang. Because right now they're basically just evil Utroms.

Maybe they've just turned Krang into the Kraang? That's not such a crazy idea. Plus a species called The Kraang bring ruled by a guy with the same name would be alittle dumb.

If anything I think that female Kraang rumored for season 2 will be like the 'Queen'.

[Kevin G]

I am the only one who thought this episode felt like a two parter? It obviously wasn't, I guess it's just that there was so many things going on.

I was personally was hoping this was a two pater or that it was a longer episode. I was looking at my clock on my cable box and the The Turtles fighting with Shredder came on at 11:25 and I kept saying to myself, how are they going finish this episode up with out rushing it in five minutes ?

[Kevin G]

Maybe they've just turned Krang into the Kraang? That's not such a crazy idea. Plus a species called The Kraang bring ruled by a guy with the same name would be alittle dumb.

If anything I think that female Kraang rumored for season 2 will be like the 'Queen'.

That's a good assumption Stryker. I was thinking that either Shredder or The Kraang or Kraang wanted to try a different approach.

[oldmanwinters]

I am the only one who thought this episode felt like a two parter? It obviously wasn't, I guess it's just that there was so many things going on.

I did have that sensation as well. I had this gut feeling that the episode was about to end when they had to leave Mr. O'Neil behind... and then they had to go after the bomb, fight off the Kraang, battle Bradford & Xever, face the Shredder, AND make their great escape to get lectured by Splinter in the epilogue scene.

[The Stryker]

Another assumption I'm gonna make is that April's dad is going to end up as Fugitoid.

[oldmanwinters]

Another assumption I'm gonna make is that April's dad is going to end up as Fugitoid.

Interesting theory. You think it'll be some combination of mutagen exposure and cybernetic physical enhancements?

[The Stryker]

Interesting theory. You think it'll be some combination of mutagen exposure and cybernetic physical enhancements?

I think The Kraang'll just take his brain and put it in a robot body so they'll have his smarts but without any of the human will and whatnot.

Then he can start 'Robocopping' out with memories of his old self creeping in and messing up ish.

[chrisdude]

One small gripe is the fact that arguably the very first mutants (Splinter and the Turtles) were perfect, so why is it after 15 years the mutagen is now creating more freak like mutants. My guess would be that its exposure to our dimension that caused its imperfection and that is what they are trying to have the scientists combat.This bothered me at first. But if you look at what the mutagen creates these days, they're typically, deadly, powerful monsters. The turtles and Splinter don't have any special abilities to attribute to their mutations. They're just humanoid.
Plus, Kirby said the ooze wasn't doing what the Kraang expected. So we know they're working towards something.

[Jester]

I think The Kraang'll just take his brain and put it in a robot body so they'll have his smarts but without any of the human will and whatnot.

Then he can start 'Robocopping' out with memories of his old self creeping in and messing up ish.
If this happens it'd be so awesome!

[Coola Yagami]

I need to see Krang, Slash, Bebop/Rocksteady and Armaggon debut before I say its the best TMNT series ever.

Kinda see Armaggon as too repetitive as we already got Fishface. I know, different kind of fish... but yeah... I kinda assume they're still gonna be called Bradford and Xever before Mikey names them as Dogpound and Fishface.

[Guitar_Raph]

Liked it when Mikey used those smoke bombs! He should use them in music.

[Irishmile]

This one was probably my favorite episode yet.... mainly because of the really awesome Shredder fight at the end... THIS is exactly how he should be handled..

My biggest complaint is the treatment of Mikey.. I like how goofy and funny he is with the smoke bombs and everything... BUT I do not like how stupid they make him seem... I have mentioned it before.. I am thinking of this as REALLY early in their story so I am just going to chalk it up as Mikey not yet maturing as fast as his bros.. and he will mature into the Mikey we all expect him to be... Hopefully in season two or if its too late by season three they will fix this.

Another strange thing about Bradford and Xever's mutation is they both actually touched turtles last... Or is there some rule where you can not mutate from something that is already mutated?

[Coola Yagami]

I don't think they even specifically stated that you mutate into the last thing you touched. They just show it. But true, Chris and Xever touched the dog and fish way before they started fighting against the Turtles. Even Hun became a Turtle after fighting with them.

Still don't like how noone wanted to hang with Mikey. Reeks of 2K3 Mikey....

[Donnie]

I have to break my absence from the Drome to say that this episode was by far the best one to date. The Mirage influence is CLEARLY shown, from the battered Turtles mid-section/weapons shot to the defeated red & black Turtles under the sewer. The love for movie 1 (during the battle with Shredder, specifically) is obvious and is blended perfectly with it . Jesus, this Shredder v. Turtles intro was an amalgam of Turtle glory.

I'm almost speechless, I can't get enough of this new TMNT and I'm going to brazen and say it's the best iteration of the Turtles we've had in some time.

[CyberCubed]

Funny how Pidgeon Pete disappeared for the rest of the episode. I wonder how they'll use him again.

They're creating a lot of new mutants for this series, but strangely the only returning one so far is going to be Leatherhead. Makes you wonder if Slash, Rahzar/Tokka, Bebop/Rocksteady are coming later on.

[Powder]

Maybe they've just turned Krang into the Kraang? That's not such a crazy idea. Plus a species called The Kraang bring ruled by a guy with the same name would be alittle dumb.
.

Well, when you consider every Kraang calls other Kraang Kraang, it doesn't seem a far cry for them to call their leader that too.

[gobo]

or is there some rule where you can not mutate from something that is already mutated?
i am the great and powerful nickelodeon! Pay no attention to the elephant in the room! :shifty:
. ^_^

[Irishmile]

Funny how Pidgeon Pete disappeared for the rest of the episode. I wonder how they'll use him again.

They're creating a lot of new mutants for this series, but strangely the only returning one so far is going to be Leatherhead......

I think some of them will show up again, but maybe not this season... Its sort of like they are trying to cram in as much as they can early so they are like... "OK, snakeweed isnt your thing?... how about THIS!!??" Trying to appeal to as many people as possible... im sure they are watching sites like this to gauge what ones work..

Makes you wonder if Slash, Rahzar/Tokka, Bebop/Rocksteady are coming later on.

God I hope so... I would love to see Bebop and Rocksteady taken as serious as this show is taking The Shredder.. imagine how scary they could actually be? BUT I have a feeling Dogpound, and Fishface are going to be the Bebop and Rocksteady of this series... thats too bad too because I do not like their mutated form as much as I like them as human goons..

[fakecortex]

I loved how dark the end of this episode was. Particularly when the newly mutated Xever reaches out for Shredder and says, "Kill me." (It reminded me of Dallas in the deleted scene from Alien, which made it even more horrific.)

An interesting thing my girlfriend pointed out: when Donnie asks if that's "The Shredder" and Raph says, "It's a Shredder," maybe that's a reference to the 2003 cartoon and all the various versions of Shredder?

The references have been great in this series and Pigeon Pete was definitely an unexpected and oddball choice. When I was telling my bro about the tattoo joke in "Never Say Xever" he commented that it would've been a good opportunity for a Tattoo character reference, maybe like it was his place or he's on a poster or something. There's a character I always wanted more of. Loved that toy.

[Irishmile]

An interesting thing my girlfriend pointed out: when Donnie asks if that's "The Shredder" and Raph says, "It's a Shredder," maybe that's a reference to the 2003 cartoon and all the various versions of Shredder?

I thought it was supposed to be a smart A** remark comparing him to one of these..
http://www.abodedistributors.com.au/images/T/xctmpE2cj2N.png

[fakecortex]

haha yeah that too ;)

[gobo]

I thought it was supposed to be a smart A** remark comparing him to one of these..
http://www.abodedistributors.com.au/images/T/xctmpE2cj2N.png
Quoted for truth...

[Coola Yagami]

It was basically saying 'if it's not THE Shredder.... he sure as hell has the right gear to shred stuff up with'

[Telekinesis]

I have to break my absence from the Drome to say that this episode was by far the best one to date. The Mirage influence is CLEARLY shown, from the battered Turtles mid-section/weapons shot to the defeated red & black Turtles under the sewer. The love for movie 1 (during the battle with Shredder, specifically) is obvious and is blended perfectly with it . Jesus, this Shredder v. Turtles intro was an amalgam of Turtle glory.

I'm almost speechless, I can't get enough of this new TMNT and I'm going to brazen and say it's the best iteration of the Turtles we've had in some time.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the show right now. Can't get enough of all the references from well known to obscure. Just an awesome series for me. Spot on for what I want in a Turtles show. It seems to have captured the best of everything thus far.

Some of the shots they gave us in this episode made me smile from ear to ear. Have to applaud them for this. I really hope we get some more gritty/throwback figures from the Playmates line. Because if they're paying attention, the show is bringing it to the forefront and paying a massive amount of homage right now. The best thing about this is they're doing it while maintaining a fresh take. Really upsetting to know what NECA could have accomplished here.

[Coola Yagami]

I loved how dark the end of this episode was. Particularly when the newly mutated Xever reaches out for Shredder and says, "Kill me." (It reminded me of Dallas in the deleted scene from Alien, which made it even more horrific.)



I thought he was saying 'help me'.

[Ninjinister]

Not sure since I didn't catch the credits, but I think Pete is Sam Vincent.

[Donnie]

I thought it was supposed to be a smart A** remark comparing him to one of these..
http://www.abodedistributors.com.au/images/T/xctmpE2cj2N.png

I honestly just thought it was a shout out to movie 1, taking from Mike's "I don't know, but I bet it never has to look for a can opener!"

[blue_angel99]

:tcool:Two epic episodes in a row!! Voted for number 1 in the poll.

:tlove:Shedder's dog Hachiko is soooooo cute. I've always wanted one!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yvg6OZcjIS0/TaZoFG2RaPI/AAAAAAAAEEg/nJznaqJJcgw/s1600/shibainu90.jpg

[CyberCubed]

This ep worked well BECAUSE it wasn't a two-parter. If it was there would be extra padding where there didn't need to be.

The whole scene with the Kraang and April's Dad felt like a rehash of the second episode, complete with the same fiddling with the locks routine. I'm glad they knew not to repeat the whole thing again.

[The Stryker]

Well, when you consider every Kraang calls other Kraang Kraang, it doesn't seem a far cry for them to call their leader that too.

It would still be dumb and kind of pointless. "The leader of The Kraang, Krang!" want to go full DBZ and have their home planet or whatever called Planet Kraang too?

I think it's better with The Kraang as one large hive mind. Cramming in Krang just to do it would be weird.

[CyberCubed]

It would still be dumb and kind of pointless. "The leader of The Kraang, Krang!" want to go full DBZ and have their home planet or whatever called Planet Kraang too?

I think it's better with The Kraang as one large hive mind. Cramming in Krang just to do it would be weird.

The Kraang seem to unintelligent to be doing what they're doing without some kind of leader. They can't even speak outside their robot bodies.

[The Stryker]

The Kraang seem to unintelligent to be doing what they're doing without some kind of leader. They can't even speak outside their robot bodies.

Well they don't speak english, they are creatures from another dimension.

I'm just saying. Even if they do have a leader, why does it HAVE to be Krang?

[Powder]

It would still be dumb and kind of pointless. "The leader of The Kraang, Krang!" want to go full DBZ and have their home planet or whatever called Planet Kraang too?

I think it's better with The Kraang as one large hive mind. Cramming in Krang just to do it would be weird.

I don't disagree with you, I just don't think it would be unlikely.

[n-zero]

The Kraang seem to unintelligent to be doing what they're doing without some kind of leader. They can't even speak outside their robot bodies.

The Kraang seem like the Geth from Mass effect to me. A hive minded species that are pretty dimwitted as individuals, but incredibly cunning when linked up.

[Irishmile]

I would not be opposed to a version of "Krang" Kraang.. as the one coordinating all the other Kraang... It could be cool to see a reimagined version of his android body.. IDW is doing a serious take on Krang.. why not here too?

[Avatar Yuffie]

Amazing episode. I actually had Movie 1 flashbacks watching it. :D

I gave the disclaimer that I'm not taking Don's crush seriously, but daaaamn, that Don and April moments are so sweet.

[chrisdude]

My biggest complaint is the treatment of Mikey.. I like how goofy and funny he is with the smoke bombs and everything... BUT I do not like how stupid they make him seem... I have mentioned it before.. I am thinking of this as REALLY early in their story so I am just going to chalk it up as Mikey not yet maturing as fast as his bros.. and he will mature into the Mikey we all expect him to be... Hopefully in season two or if its too late by season three they will fix this.I think Mikey might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he just doesn't think.

The whole "What's this button do?" deal was foolish. That was just foolish to do. And whenever his brothers warn him of anything, he's like, "Hey, bro, it's NBD!" He doesn't consider risks.
But I'd say 80% of what makes Mikey look dumb, is really him just not paying attention. Mikey sees soup? Mikey forgets there's a fight. Mikey never remembers the plans because he doesn't listen. He was probably just sitting there, smiling at nothing.

Mikey doesn't think ahead, and he doesn't focus on the present.

I'm hoping there's an episode where Splinter teaches Mikey to focus...

[Avatar Yuffie]

And to be fair, I literally went wow how Mikey fights the Shredder. He's really amazing in that moment.

Forgot to put this in: Shredder's pet Hachiko is so cute. Last person to think he owns a pet.

[Xav]

Another assumption I'm gonna make is that April's dad is going to end up as Fugitoid.Maybe he will mutate into a Turtle, than he could be the fabled Kirby from the lost fourth movie.

[cowabunga14]

This was a great episode all around. The build up to the battle with Shredder definitely paid off and it excites about what we'll see of the Turtles', should I say, rivalry with the character as well as the darker tone that the show will take on. At least then there will be a balance between the comedic and serious moments.

I wasn't expecting April's dad to sacrifice himself, especially for being a kids' show. Perhaps we'll see more of that kind of stuff.

I also liked the interactions between Mike and Don when Don was trying to hack into the computer, but I do agree with the other posters about with what they've said about Mikey's lack of maturity.

[FlawedCoil82]

Just got done watching this episode on my DVR. Man, it was pretty awesome. That was probably the best fight I have seen between the turtles and Shredder yet! Only one that comes close to it was the one from the 2003 series' episode "Bad Day". I like that Shredder didn't knock the turtles out with one punch while they never get a single hit in (like what happened in most of the 2003 series). They got some good hits in on Shredder in this episode, but it just wasn't enough and that was what I always wanted to see. If the turtles have to be defeated, I at least want them to go down with a fight. I also liked the music that played when the turtles and Xever/Bradford go after each other. Also, the dark atmospheric "gothic/doom" theme that played during the fight with Shredder was a nice touch. My sister (who doesn't give the slightest damn about TMNT) happened to be texting on her phone on the couch while I was watching that fight and I had no idea she was paying any attention to it, but after the turtles escaped, she suddenly said "Wow, that was a pretty intense fight." :) Keep it up Nickelodeon. If you keep this series going this good and eventually give it a nice DVD release (along with the rest of the 2003 series) then I will officially say that you buying the Turtles' was quite possibly the best thing that could have happened.

[Logan]

Just got around to watching this episode a couple of hours ago. I really enjoyed it and I find myself pleasantly surprised at how the show is turning out. Nick has (so far) avoided the things I had feared they would do when I heard they were making a show.

I realize this is probably moot, but I'm putting SPOILER ALERT for those that might be skimming.

Pros
Got to see The Shredder fight. I can now appreciate his design more now that I've seen it put into the fight scenes. I like it, but I still find the wrist blades to be way too big.

They juggled a bunch of plot elements this episode without it coming off as convoluted. No easy task. My hat is off to the show's crew.

More Xever and Bradford. I'm enjoying both characters.

I'm probably going to get grief over this, but I like the anime elements that crop up throughout the show. I've wanted to see what a Ninja Turtles anime could be like and I think this is the closest I'll probably ever get. And yes, I am aware of the two animations from Japan, but they're basically extensions of the OT rather than being their own entity.

Cons
They went overboard with the smoke bomb gag.

Mikey comes off as way too obnoxious and immature than he should be. I realize that this is a kid's show and that he's been designated the comic relief outside of the Mirage comic, but keep it in context. He should be obnoxious as a teenager would, not a six-year-old.

I'm seriously bummed that Xever and Bradford have been given the mutation treatment. I liked the idea of this show having another Shredder for the dirty work while Oroku remains in the shadows and watches his plans unfold. Alas, my dreams have been tread upon.

I thought the pigeon mutant was really dumb. I hope he's not around for too long.

[Icegaze]

Cons
They went overboard with the smoke bomb gag.

Mikey comes off as way too obnoxious and immature than he should be. I realize that this is a kid's show and that he's been designated the comic relief outside of the Mirage comic, but keep it in context. He should be obnoxious as a teenager would, not a six-year-old.

I'm seriously bummed that Xever and Bradford have been given the mutation treatment. I liked the idea of this show having another Shredder for the dirty work while Oroku remains in the shadows and watches his plans unfold. Alas, my dreams have been tread upon.

I thought the pigeon mutant was really dumb. I hope he's not around for too long.

I couldn't possibly agree more with this opinion.
Exactly how I felt. I already expressed my displeasure of Mikey's portrayal in the series. The smoke bomb gag was funny the first 2 times (and the very last one with the real egg; I lol'd for real). I'm sad Xever got turned. And Pidgeon Pete looked terrible.

[Vivi]

I'm glad Xever got turned, he's the weakest link in the episode and I was never keen on his design.

The fight scene with Shredder does not quite have the same grave atmosphere as in 2k3 (Leo's first fight with the foot/Shredder) but looks very schmick. I think that's a testament to the 3d (and direction) which lets you get in there and do some nice sweeping shots. The aftermath of the Shredder fight, however, was my favorite bit. Those cracks, scratches and bruises are heartbreaking, almost as heartbreaking as their crestfallen faces.

This episode actually reminded me of some of the better bits of the 2007 movie. I could almost hear Black Betty playing in the background.

[Jester]

Machi.....why no "We're not over confident. We're just that good!" option in the poll? :P

[The Stryker]

Maybe he will mutate into a Turtle, than he could be the fabled Kirby from the lost fourth movie.

Boy.....that sounds just awful.

[Machias Banshee]

Machi.....why no "We're not over confident. We're just that good!" option in the poll? :P

I was so tired when I put in the poll, I completely forgot.. :lol: I could add it in, or edit the first option...

This was a hell of an episode. And what an introduction of the turtles to the Shredder!

[CyberCubed]

Pidgeon Pete worked in this episode as a one-off gag character, but I hope we don't see him again. He could become a really annoying character if we started seeing him regularly.

[Jester]

I kinda hope he does show up again, just to bug you....

[BubblyShell22]

Holy crap! This episode was awesome for sure! They're really making Shredder into a decent villain and not just comic relief. He's definitely a formidable threat, and I just loved the fight scene with him and the Turtles. My favorite part was when the Turtles and Shredder were cast in shadow as they came at each other. That was just so awesome. I was shocked to see Raph get electrocuted like that. Didn't see that coming at all, but I liked how the brothers did everything they could to beat Shredder. Seeing Leo up against that wall with Shredder's gauntlet at his throat made me gasp, and I felt so sad that they couldn't save Kirby and how dejected they all were. Overall, an epic episode. This series definitely gets better and better with each ep.

I agree about Pete, but he didn't annoy me too much. As for Mikey, I thought it was funny how he kept using the smoke bombs and his, "What does this button do?" Typical annoying little brother.

Fave quotes:

Don: I have the perfect bait.
Mikey: Breadcrumbs? *the others look at him* What? Pigeons eat breadcrumbs.
Don: April.
Mikey: You're going to let him eat April? I thought you liked her.
April: Yeah.
Don: Relax. We'll have your back.

Leo: Okay, mighty mutants, let's do this.
Raph: Mighty mutants? What, dancing dorks was taken?

Leo: Can you tell us where the Kraang are holding him?
Pete: I can. But it'll cost you a lot of bread.
Leo: You are talking about actual bread, right?
Pete: Yeah. Sourdough.

Splinter: What you know is dangerous to your enemy. What you THINK you know is dangerous to yourself.

Leo: We're not overconfident. We're just that good.

[Anarchistguy]

I'm glad Xever got turned, he's the weakest link in the episode and I was never keen on his design.

The fight scene with Shredder does not quite have the same grave atmosphere as in 2k3 (Leo's first fight with the foot/Shredder)

The fight in the latest episode is actually what I expected from a Shredder fight in the 2003 series.

I was surprised with how much they got away with in this fight. The biggest surprise I had is mutated Xever begging the Shredder to kill him.

[marcelangelo]

I think Mikey might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he just doesn't think.

The whole "What's this button do?" deal was foolish. That was just foolish to do. And whenever his brothers warn him of anything, he's like, "Hey, bro, it's NBD!" He doesn't consider risks.
But I'd say 80% of what makes Mikey look dumb, is really him just not paying attention. Mikey sees soup? Mikey forgets there's a fight. Mikey never remembers the plans because he doesn't listen. He was probably just sitting there, smiling at nothing.

Mikey doesn't think ahead, and he doesn't focus on the present.

I'm hoping there's an episode where Splinter teaches Mikey to focus...

hey, I am happy that someone else sees this, too..yeah, its a situation so well observed from real life to me..often people who do things and are considered dumb really quickley are just not focusing for real...i think mike is a real smart guy, he is just to young to stay focused in many situations so afr...I hope too that master splinter will teach him that lesson in one later episode, that would be cool!...a valid point could be made too i guess that it takes smarts for humour..and mike DEFINATELLY got the humour...

another mirage # 1 easter egg that was just blazing to me and I forgot to mention that in my former post here is the adaptation of the first two.page double spread splash page where they are jumping towards the shredder..really kooool!

[marcelangelo]

The fight in the latest episode is actually what I expected from a Shredder fight in the 2003 series.

I was surprised with how much they got away with in this fight. The biggest surprise I had is mutated Xever begging the Shredder to kill him.

if you rewatch it and listen really cloesely he is sying help me, not kill me...
I was surprised to read that he should have said kill me somewhere and the rewatched that scene...

[MrTMNT2012]

I'm Surprised they got away with a pretty much EXACT Recreation of Issue #1 with the Shredder Battle! I mean they were stabbing, punching, kicking and everything.

That one shot that pans through the eyes of Shredder is followed by a Shot of the Turtles lower bodies Bleeding and battered, Exactly like the 1st Issue... Hell even the poses were exactly the same. I remember saying to myself: 'Are they actually doing this?' and it was just So AWESOME :) :) :)

[fakecortex]

if you rewatch it and listen really cloesely he is sying help me, not kill me...

aw fishsticks. rewatched it too :( well, "help me" is still pretty cool, and i love the scene. but man, "kill me" would've been sweet, even if it was "inappropriate" for a kid-friendly show.

[Xav]

Funny how Pidgeon Pete disappeared for the rest of the episode.I know. I was expecting him to show up again when Leo was making the bird call.

[Lampy]

man i loved this episode. knew that the first shredder confrontation was going to be good... but damn. this shredder seems way more skilled and more threatening as well. i gotta say... i'm glad that they went opposite of mirage#1 and had shredder win the fight instead of having the Turtles win or at most dominate the fight. while i like mirage#1... this incarnation of the turtles aren't as serious, which caused their defeat. and i like that about this episode. the references to that issue were a treat to the comic fans and i'm happy we get those moments every now and then. by the way... i thought donatello broke his bo? next you see it... it's whole again. odd.

not too sure how i feel about xever and bradford mutating so early in the series... i just hope their more threatening as mutants than they were as humans. but i would've liked to have seen more of them as humans. but oh well... to late.

p.s. i hope we see more of shredder's dog hachiko. now that he has two similar dos... i hope that they didn't just bring him in for that one scene only to never be seen again.

[Irishmile]

Do you think Shredder takes that puppy for walks? Do you think he carries little baggies to pick up dog poo? :tlol:

[DarkLightDragon]

Do you think Shredder takes that puppy for walks? Do you think he carries little baggies to pick up dog poo? :tlol:



He probably gets one of his ninjas to do it for him, but thanks for the funny image. :P

[Ninjinister]

Am I mis-remembering, or did Shredder call the dog Hachiko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachiko)?

[blue_angel99]

Am I mis-remembering, or did Shredder call the dog Hachiko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachiko)?

Bingo

Do you think Shredder takes that puppy for walks? Do you think he carries little baggies to pick up dog poo? :tlol:

He just leaves the poo on the street....cause he's evil.

[Irishmile]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/323/6/3/shredder_walks_his_dog_by_irishmile-d5lhlfd.png

[gobo]

Pidgeon
For future reference, there is no D in "pigeon". I'll thank you keep it that way. :)

[blue_angel99]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/323/6/3/shredder_walks_his_dog_by_irishmile-d5lhlfd.png
I can't stop laughing

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It's pretty cool that the Nick Turtles Vs. Foot campaign (http://tmntmaster.tumblr.com/#!/post/35822641008/remember-mikeys-pet-pigeon) admits this episode is an intentional reference to Fred Wolf episode, "What's Michaelangelo Good For?"

Nice concept art (http://tmntmaster.tumblr.com/#!/post/35822083376/pete-the-pigeon-reappears-on-nickturtles-this) too!

And I liked the "Wolf Hotel" name. A reference to the Murakami-Wolf-Swenson show?

[magicallypuzzled]

I think my favorite part had to be when shredder reallized that those strange creatures in the weird ooze were actually xever and bradford. he actually seemed concerned for a second before he reallized he was being distracted from the turtles. frankly i like a shredder that isn't, i am so evil i don;t even know what concern means. he clearly doesn't tolerate failure but at the same time i got the impression he did some what care about his underlings.

then again maybe i am reading too much into something that might not even be there.

[gobo]

then again maybe i am reading too much into something that might not even be there.
You probably are. I think he was more surprised than anything. However, I do expect that Nick will keep him from being so inhumane that he'd take a stab at his own daughter if she gets in his way like 4KIDS did.

[Irishmile]

Its possible he care about his underlings.. But not above his own goals or himself... I do not expect to EVER see him being selfless, I could possibly see him showing SOME emotion, after all he is based on a character who originally dedicated his life to avenge the death of his brother... So he must care somewhat... Maybe?

[Raph's Girl]

Man oh man was this ep intense!!

So ole Shred-head has a soft spot after all with his pet Akita Inu, Hachiko (named in honour of the dog who waited for 9 years. Love the Richard Gere movie that came out a couple years ago).

At least we now know what type of dog Bradford mutated into. I had a feeling it was a spits type. I thought it would be a Husky but nope, Akita.

And oi talk about being what ya eat!! Xever litterally became the fish he had just eaten.

Something tells me that the mutagen that came out of the tank will have bigger consequences with more random mutants. Leatherhead won't be an accidental tho since it's been established that he's a lab experiment (what with all the diods and stuff on him).

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

This episode should have been titled "Easter Egg"

[Donatello19]

This episode should have been titled "Easter Egg"

......Why?

[Raph's Girl]

......Why?

An Easter Egg refers to hidden stuff or stuff seen in previous incarnations. Like the Wolf Motel, Pete the Pigeon, ect Another term is Hidden Mickey.

[Rooish]

Really cool episode, but why does Splinter never join in anything? I mean he's a fairly young, strong, fast version of Splinter. He sends his sons off (and April) and never goes along as well?

The fight sequence was brilliant. Really awesome seeing Mikey be the best fighter against Shredder (at least that's how it seemed to me). It almost makes up for him being a complete idiot most of the time (although he is hilarious at times, like with the smoke bombs). Unfortunately they've already written these episodes, so our large amount of complaining about Mikey's stupidity and Raph's smacking of him (and Don) won't have any impact for now. The writers seem to want to play up the jokes and smacking at Mikey's expense.

Mega fan service: all those cute moments between the Turtles! Leo hugging Raph! Mikey kissing Don! All of them worrying about each other! Squee.

Seriously though, why do the Turtles always fight bad guys one at a time? What are the other ones doing in the meantime? Ugh.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Wow, I was very impressed with the climax of this episode. Mikey was a total doll too. He is definitely the Butters of the group and I love him to death!

Someone should make a GIF of that shot that showed the Turtles all bruised and cut up.

[AT-Man]

The biggest surprise I had is mutated Xever begging the Shredder to kill him.

Hahhah! Stop it, you're killing me.

[chrisdude]

another mirage # 1 easter egg that was just blazing to me and I forgot to mention that in my former post here is the adaptation of the first two.page double spread splash page where they are jumping towards the shredder..really kooool!I don't know how I missed that, because it's so obvious, now.

http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Number12.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img838/1229/tmntsplash.jpg

[magicallypuzzled]

Its possible he care about his underlings.. But not above his own goals or himself... I do not expect to EVER see him being selfless, I could possibly see him showing SOME emotion, after all he is based on a character who originally dedicated his life to avenge the death of his brother... So he must care somewhat... Maybe?

this is pretty much what i'd like to see shredder acting/being portrayed as I wouldn't want him to be selfless either. But a enemy that hates the tirtles wants to destroy them while still having some respect/care for his underlings would be ideal for me.

[NinjaMan]

I don't know how I missed that, because it's so obvious, now.

http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Number12.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img838/1229/tmntsplash.jpg

I love this show even more. Mad props to the creators of this show. I wish new Transformers cartoons had this crew work on them.

[FlawedCoil82]

by the way... i thought donatello broke his bo? next you see it... it's whole again. odd.


Yea, that was probably an error or a scene they did before they decided to have one of him breaking his bo. It's a shame he breaks it so often though (and he doesn't pop out the blade which surprised me). I know in an earlier episode there was a shot of Leonardo holding both of his swords, yet they were still both in the sheath on his back at the same time, so unless he carries 4 swords.... :ohwell:

[Irishmile]

Did we see the entire thing after it broke? I can remember a close up and all that was visible was the hand wrap part...

[Lisardo]

Overall a good episode, probably the best one sofar. I thought it was funny with the exploding bombs and how Donny called April "his" April...awww, :tsmile: What I didn't get was why they couldn't save April's father. One of them and April could have gone down there to get him while the other three were fighting Shredder. But it's only a minor gripe.

[Lampy]

Did we see the entire thing after it broke? I can remember a close up and all that was visible was the hand wrap part...

yup... the entire bo was shown as they did their epic jumping pose with leo's crotch in your face. not to mention the shadow of the bo was pretty long as they collided in mid-air. i don't really care about the bo breaking though... it's not that big a deal. just thought i'd point it out.

[Irishmile]

yup... the entire bo was shown as they did their epic jumping pose with leo's crotch in your face. not to mention the shadow of the bo was pretty long as they collided in mid-air. i don't really care about the bo breaking though... it's not that big a deal. just thought i'd point it out.

No its cool.. its interesting.. I will have to pay closer attention next time I watch it.

[NINJA_DONNIE]

hey guys! I'm new here, I just wanted to share with you something I noticed during this episode that really kicks shell!



https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12419421/tmnt_CvsS.jpg


As you can see during the battle with The Shreadder, there were tons of references to the first TMNT comic. In my opinion this is pure fan service, it really doesn't get any better than this, don't you think?

[CyberCubed]

Daaaaaamn!

Nick really does their homework! I want to kiss them.

[Lampy]

thanks for the comparisons ninja-donnie! these are great. i guess nick really does care about the source material. glad we finally get to (kind of) see mirage#1 in action. i love it! best episode so far!

[raphfan85]

ive been waiting for the turtles to fight shredder since the series started and this did not disappoint. another awesome episode and i cant wait for the next one.

[jinzin]

Well, you guys know I LOVVVVVED this episode! What a great blend of the new story with references to previous incarnations. Especially all the nods to Mirage 1. I was not expecting Shredder to show up in this episode much less fight the turtles much less in a shot for panel remake of the original comic fight (to a point). SOOOOOOOOOO happy I gave this series a chance when it started. It's easily become my favorite turtles related material since the first movie and that's saying a lot.

[Lampy]

oh and let's not forget this awesome pose.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/roadrash_x/Untitled.png

[LeoNerdo]

hey guys! I'm new here, I just wanted to share with you something I noticed during this episode that really kicks shell!



https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12419421/tmnt_CvsS.jpg


As you can see during the battle with The Shreadder, there were tons of references to the first TMNT comic. In my opinion this is pure fan service, it really doesn't get any better than this, don't you think?

Wow. I had noticed a couple of those, but that really is awesome.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. Thanks for sharing that, Ninja Donnie. That definitely looks similar and I'm glad the crew did that as a nod to what came before. These references alone are the reason I love this show, even if I'm not as familiar with the comics as many others.

And, Rooish, when did Leo hug Raph and Mikey kiss Donnie? I don't remember those parts.

[Metropoliskid41]

My favorite episode so far, each episode the action & story pick up more, this series just keeps getting better & better.

Thanks for that side by side comparison of screenshots with Mirage TMNT #1, great references by Nick, that's awesome. I'm really pleased with the people in charge running the ship!

[Jephael]

Overall a good episode, probably the best one sofar. I thought it was funny with the exploding bombs and how Donny called April "his" April...awww, :tsmile: What I didn't get was why they couldn't save April's father. One of them and April could have gone down there to get him while the other three were fighting Shredder.

That wouldn't have worked because it wouldn't be as iconic only having 3 of the Turtles meet Shredder for the first time.

[Keno]

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier (probably was but I'm too lazy to go through all the pages) but another "easter egg" was how they thought they won and they did the high-five thing and then Shredder arrives...that is totally from the 2nd movie.

Anyways I didn't mention the blood thing during the first showing but after watching it again...wow! That is pretty gutsy for a kid's cartoon to show blood. I love it.

[TheCanadiandrome]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/323/6/3/shredder_walks_his_dog_by_irishmile-d5lhlfd.png



Lol too funny :lol:

[Tinus]

Great episode! Love how they made so many references to the old comic book. Can't wait to see what will happen next!

Thanx 4 posting those pictures btw! Great stuff!:o

[VaughnMichael]

I really love this episode and think it may just be my favorite of the series so far. :)
The mutations on this show are so graphic, we've rarely seen a person mutate in any of the past incarnations.
I haven't stopped thinking about when Xever distracted Shredder with his wimpy breathless help meeee.
That fight with Shredder was bad @ss and I really thought Splinter was going to save them like in the first movie.
Oh and Pete so funny I didn't realize he was a nod to the old toon episode.
Also loved how they fight on the Wolf Hotel.
I almost thought Leo was going to say 'Mighty Mutanimals' there at first.. I'm weird :tshifty:
Nah I thought that's what was going to be said also.
I'm curious as to why Shredder would be nice enough to even bother to give Xever a breathing machine and cyber legs.
I'm wondering the same thing.
If anything I think that female Kraang rumored for season 2 will be like the 'Queen'.
I'd say that's a pretty good guess. ;)
Funny how Pidgeon Pete disappeared for the rest of the episode. I wonder how they'll use him again.
I found it odd, especially since when the turtles had been trying to rescue April's dad from the Kraang Leonardo makes like a bird wistle or something and I thought Pete was going to come flying in through the opening in the roof.
But I guess we'd not have much of a story if April's dad got away with the turtles so soon.

[Ninjinister]

Looks like I was wrong. Pete isn't Sam Vincent... he's... Adam from CSI NY? Dafuq?

Turns out he's done voice acting before and I hadn't realized it. Hurm.

I'm curious as to why Shredder would be nice enough to even bother to give Xever a breathing machine and cyber legs.

Maybe it wasn't Shredder. Maybe Baxter figures 'fros of a feather should stick together (even if one of them no longer has it).

[gobo]

hey guys! I'm new here, I just wanted to share with you something I noticed during this episode that really kicks shell!



https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12419421/tmnt_CvsS.jpg


As you can see during the battle with The Shreadder, there were tons of references to the first TMNT comic. In my opinion this is pure fan service, it really doesn't get any better than this, don't you think?
Excellent job, noobinski! ^_^

[Dirty Blond]

Great, great, great ep.

I think "The Gauntlet" may be referring to Shredders bladed metalic gloves (with hidden daggers!) themselves.

[TurtleTitan97]

hey guys! I'm new here, I just wanted to share with you something I noticed during this episode that really kicks shell!



https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12419421/tmnt_CvsS.jpg


As you can see during the battle with The Shreadder, there were tons of references to the first TMNT comic. In my opinion this is pure fan service, it really doesn't get any better than this, don't you think?

Wow, that's so awesome! Nick, you continue to impress me.:tsmile:

[Irishmile]

Great, great, great ep.

I think "The Gauntlet" may be referring to Shredders bladed metalic gloves (with hidden daggers!) themselves.

Maybe... but "The Gauntlet" also means "to Challenge".. any of the meanings is pretty valid in my book.

[Jester]

Maybe... but "The Gauntlet" also means "to Challenge".. any of the meanings is pretty valid in my book.
See...this guy gets it.
2gauntlet noun
Definition of GAUNTLET
2
: a severe trial : ordeal <ran the gauntlet of criticism and censure>

[jinzin]

^ THIS ^

"The Gauntlet" is a reference to all the ordeals that they went through throughout the episode. They fought the Kraang, Shredder's henchmen, then Shredder himself. Leo even goes through a laundry list of impressive things they did before the Shredder shows up.

I highly "doubt" it's a direct reference to his forearm gauntlets but there *could* be that clever double-meaning to it.

[Lampy]

"The Gauntlet" is a reference to all the ordeals that they went through throughout the episode. They fought the Kraang, Shredder's henchmen, then Shredder himself. Leo even goes through a laundry list of impressive things they did before the Shredder shows up.

I highly "doubt" it's a direct reference to his forearm gauntlets but there *could* be that clever double-meaning to it.

no... this!

[gobo]

I highly "doubt" it's a direct reference to his forearm gauntlets but there *could* be that clever double-meaning to it.
I think you're confusing "clever" with "obvious".

[jinzin]

Lol fair enough. I spend too much time on VS forums so the original definition is immediately how I identify the word. It wouldn't really occur to me to even call Shredders gauntlets, well, gauntlets... I have no idea why.

Anyways, I also forgot to mention that I love the fact that they kept Bradford and Xevor as tough as they did. Those two didn't suffer an extreme Worf effect on the show. It will be interesting to see if they're going to be more or less of a threat mutated. Like someone else pointed out, how the hell is Xevor supposed to do his crazy kicks now? lol

[gobo]

Lol fair enough. I spend too much time on VS forums so the original definition is immediately how I identify the word. It wouldn't really occur to me to even call Shredders gauntlets, well, gauntlets... I have no idea why.
It's a tad on the obscure side. Was first mentioned in "THE CASE OF THE KILLER PIZZAS". That was the only time until the 4KIDS series.

[Jester]

"So the bake-off could be a trap!"

[gobo]

"Yep. It's a trap."

[Jester]

"Yep. It's a trap."
What's he (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/member.php?u=8230) have to do with it?

[gobo]

More than he knows. :shifty:

[Ninjinister]

I think it's silly that there's still debate about what "The Gauntlet" means.

*Shredder's arm-armor, most obviously
*A series of trials to run through (Pete stalking April, failing to save Kirby from the Kraang, fighting Xever and Bradford, then almost getting slaughtered by Shredder)
*The gauntlet has been thrown down - i.e. Shredder has entered the fray and Splinter declares that they are officially at war.

It's very obvious and even the least astute should be able to see it. It doesn't need to be a "thing". It is what it is.

[gobo]

No way! Everything has to be a "thing". It's the law!

[Irishmile]

I think The Gauntlet is named after The Gauntlet Disco club on the corner of 11th and bleeker..

[NINJA_DONNIE]

oh and let's not forget this awesome pose.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/roadrash_x/Untitled.png

woow, didn't notice that one before, that is awesome!

Glad you liked the comparisons guys, I still can't believe how great this show is turning out, it's so nice to see the TMNT finally reach their potencial :tgrin:

As someone said before, I think "The Gauntlet" is a double meaning title, referencing the "medieval protective glove" and a "several trial". Maybe this is reading too much between lines, but it could also be a reference to the final panel of the first Mirage comic, where they find the Shredder's gauntlet after beating the **** out of him. Here is an illustrative image, so you know what I'm talking about.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12419421/TMNTgauntlet.jpg

[Dirty Blond]

I am thinking of changing my username to "The Gauntlet."

:shredder:

[Drose18]

It's kinda funny watching you guys freak about finding out why the episode was titled the gauntlet... :lol::lol::lol:

[Irishmile]

I for one am probably going to lose sleep over it... :trazz:

[sdp]

Excellent episode.

Shredder still looks a bit goofy and like he's over compensating with those huge claws but oh well. Would've loved to have seen more unmutated Xever/Bradford since we'll see them mutated for the entire series now but oh well.

[Vivi]

^ I agree about leaving Bradford unmutated. He's a pretty good character in human form.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm sure the episode was named after the Turtles 'running the Gauntlet' with fighting The Kraang, Chris and Xever, and then the Shredder, basically one after the other in the same episode.

[CyberCubed]

Upon watching this a second time, this was also the funniest episode of the series so far. The jokes just kept coming and the witty banter was at its best in this episode.

Its just great that they found the perfect mix of humor and action. So many things actually happened in this episode that could have been left over for another episode, like Shredder's first battle, but they managed to cram it all in and it worked.

More like this please.

[Coola Yagami]

Upon watching this a second time, this was also the funniest episode of the series so far. The jokes just kept coming and the witty banter was at its best in this episode.

Its just great that they found the perfect mix of humor and action. So many things actually happened in this episode that could have been left over for another episode, like Shredder's first battle, but they managed to cram it all in and it worked.

More like this please.

I also think the whole 'we're not overconfident, we're just that good' was the perfect lead-in for Shredder to show up and knock them down a few pegs.

[CyberCubed]

I also think the whole 'we're not overconfident, we're just that good' was the perfect lead-in for Shredder to show up and knock them down a few pegs.

Every episode so far has taught a lesson to the Turtles which I like. Not sure if this will continue or not, eventually they're going to run out of lessons.

[Dirty Blond]

Every episode so far has taught a lesson to the Turtles which I like. Not sure if this will continue or not, eventually they're going to run out of lessons.

http://i.qkme.me/353x5r.jpg

[Luzmagica]

Wow!!!!! I had taken a look at the comments before watching the episode and was looking forward to seeing it so excited!

AWESOME!!!!! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Its difficult to add more cool stuff that has not been mentioned before...anyway some of my prefers for this chapter:

Michelangelo´s eyes when he heard about the smog-bombs! So cute little brother with a new toy!!!! Awesore "Nightcrawler" effects!!! :lol: !
Nice to see Leo laughing supported by Raph, and Michelangelo little kiss to Don thanking the new ninja -bombs!!!

Anyone remebered also Heroes when April´s father said "Save April, save the city" .....??? its similar to "Save the chearleader, save the world!????" :lol:

adding Donatello was Really worried about April upset when they were unable to rescue her father, when she hugs him (not blush this time, a nice touch...)

Poor Michelangelo when everyone talks in front of him not wanting him as parter :lol: !...... despite he being wrong with the buttons :lol: , Raph keep his back in Kraagn´s den, and gave him several smaks to the head !!! , Mikey was first ensure that Raph was fine after being electrocuted! :tgrin:

Of course all the fight this time was as intense, great and awesome as the Sheredder debut in the series deserved!!!!! :tcool: All the brothers were fantastic!

Splinter last sentence was intense!!!!! "We are at war" ....WOW!!!!!!

:tgrin:

[Dirty Blond]

Wow!!!!! I had taken a look at the comments before watching the episode and was looking forward to seeing it so excited!

AWESOME!!!!! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

Its difficult to add more cool stuff that has not been mentioned before...anyway some of my prefers for this chapter:

Michelangelo´s eyes when he heard about the smog-bombs! So cute little brother with a new toy!!!! Awesore "Nightcrawler" effects!!! :lol: !
Nice to see Leo laughing supported by Raph, and Michelangelo little kiss to Don thanking the new ninja -bombs!!!

Anyone remebered also Heroes when April´s father said "Save April, save the city" .....??? its similar to "Save the chearleader, save the world!????" :lol:

adding Donatello was Really worried about April upset when they were unable to rescue her father, when she hugs him (not blush this time, a nice touch...)

Poor Michelangelo when everyone talks in front of him not wanting him as parter :lol: !...... despite he being wrong with the buttons :lol: , Raph keep his back in Kraagn´s den, and gave him several smaks to the head !!! , Mikey was first ensure that Raph was fine after being electrocuted! :tgrin:

Of course all the fight this time was as intense, great and awesome as the Sheredder debut in the series deserved!!!!! :tcool: All the brothers were fantastic!

Splinter last sentence was intense!!!!! "We are at war" ....WOW!!!!!!

:tgrin:

You failed to mention anything about gauntlets.

[Luzmagica]

You failed to mention anything about gauntlets.

Oh well.....As foreign spanish fan, the Word Gauntlet for me just can mean 2 things:

Medieval metalic gloves....Better traduction: metal gloves to protect your fingers, hands, wrist area and part of the forearm in the bloody battles of the time....
http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&cp=7&gs_id=k&xhr=t&q=guantelete&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38625945&biw=1024&bih=571&wrapid=tljp135339822498708&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=UzirULacJLKM0wXBnYDQAg

Videogame from 1986!! :lol: !!!
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:lol::lol::lol:!!!!

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I sort of got a Heroes vibe when April's dad said that. Thanks for pointing that out, Luz.

As for the title, I believe it references both Shredder's gloves and the fact that the Turtles went through all those trials before facing Shredder.

[Cure]

This Gauntlet business has to be one of the worst ongoing jokes in forum history.

[Keno]

You failed to mention anything about gauntlets.

ahahaha you are killing me

[Irishmile]

Just wait in season 2 when they name an episode "The Greaves"

[Rooish]

And, Rooish, when did Leo hug Raph and Mikey kiss Donnie? I don't remember those parts.

At 2:40, Don is explaining to Mikey about the smoke bombs. Leo is cracking up in the background and puts his arms around Raph. Then Mikey is so excited about the smoke bombs that he kisses Donnie and says "I love you man!"

[CyberCubed]

I love how Shredder has retractable blades, the guy would look silly with too many blades sticking out all the time.

I remember when they first showed Shredder's design back in 2011 I think, everyone thought he looked horrible. But seeing him in the actual series makes him look awesome.

Its not my favorite Shredder design, but it works very well. Especially love his damaged left eye.

[Cure]

Especially love his damaged left eye.

Your left. His right.

[Ravenxl7]

Absolutely loved this episode. Couldn't have been happier with it. Then again, I really couldn't be any happier with this show in-general. Definitely looking forward to seeing Bradford and Xever dealing with their new mutant lives.

Out of curiosity, and I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but has anybody figured out what kind of fish that was supposed to be? I know I've seen fish similar to that...

[Luzmagica]

Absolutely loved this episode. Couldn't have been happier with it. Then again, I really couldn't be any happier with this show in-general. Definitely looking forward to seeing Bradford and Xever dealing with their new mutant lives.

Out of curiosity, and I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but has anybody figured out what kind of fish that was supposed to be? I know I've seen fish similar to that...

Maybe a Tiger or Goliat fish ???

http://www.journalismnow.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Goliath.jpg

[BubblyShell22]

At 2:40, Don is explaining to Mikey about the smoke bombs. Leo is cracking up in the background and puts his arms around Raph. Then Mikey is so excited about the smoke bombs that he kisses Donnie and says "I love you man!"

Ah, yes, thanks for that. I remember that now.

[Ravenxl7]

Maybe a Tiger or Goliat fish ???

http://www.journalismnow.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Goliath.jpg
You mean a Goliath Tiger fish? Yeah I could see that as possibly their inspiration. I'm hoping they have a Q&A session at a convention, and someone asks them.

[Clockwork]

Fishface is meant to have mutated from a Snakehead fish.

- Kenny

[Irishmile]

It was one mean looking fish... I imagine Xever will be one B.A.M.F. in the water.... Whoops I mean Fishface... can we still call him Xever?

[Shredder_Fan]

I don't like it how Shredder has retractable blades. The armor of 2003 is 100% better.

But seeing him in the actual series makes him look awesome :)

My nr 1 Shredder is from 2003, its more darker and evil.
The fight with the Turtles whas SUPER COOL, love it.
The end whas cool to Shredder "NOOOO !"

Hope to see more of his cool stuff

[Coola Yagami]

The retractable blades allows Shredder to punch the Turtles without cutting them, since you know you're never going to see him actually impale them. It was silly how Shredder in the 2K3 toon would be reduced to either palm strikes, or punches that somehow didn't gut the turtles upon impact.

Which reminds me... I noticed in 'Never say Xever' Xever ran up to Leo ready to swipe him with both knives, and somehow that knocked Leo back as if he was punched or something.

[BubblyShell22]

I like the retractable blades myself. They look awesome. The way the blade popped out and headed toward Leo was creepy to say the least.

Really? I never caught that. Hmmm.

[TurtleTitan97]

My nr 1 Shredder is from 2003, its more darker and evil.


Shredder is just as dark as the 2k3 version was in this show.

Anyway, I agree, the retractable blades are definitely pretty cool.

[Donatello19]

My nr 1 Shredder is from 2003, its more darker and evil.


The new Shredder is just as, if not more evil than the 2k3 Shredder, which was Just an utrom anyway

Anyway, I was thinking, Xever's mutation is going to be very hard for him because Xever fights with his legs, and I assume it will be difficult for him since he will have robotic legs.

[Vivi]

The new Shredder is just as, if not more evil than the 2k3 Shredder, which was Just an utrom anyway

Anyway, I was thinking, Xever's mutation is going to be very hard for him because Xever fights with his legs, and I assume it will be difficult for him since he will have robotic legs.

Can of worms, right there. And just an utrom? That is a very divisive topic, but being an intergalactic warlord gives him some gravitas- true, that can be harder to reign in sensibly, story wise. The only motivation I can gather from the current Shredder so far would be to keep a tight control on his international factions - I'm sure he's involved with the Kraang somehow, though. Point would be: apples and oranges. I like them both. Fruit salad for all. (I would have love to have seen Ch'rell put into a body ala Bishop, for a 'favourite' Shredder to exist but not to be).

And as far as fish face goes, beware dem fins! Okay, not really. But it would have been cooler if he was saying "Kill me", because now he has to look at that mug every day. And I haven't looked too closely at his design, but how the hell is he going to flip filipino knives with t-rex fins?

[sdp]

I don't like Shredder's design, I like that it's more stripped down and not an armor like 2k3 but the blades are too god damn big that he looks absolutely ridiculous. The burned eye seems cliche and reminds me of Zuko from avatar which is why I don't like it and I hope he isn't bald which it seemed like it. I do like the retractable claws even if it reeks a bit of trying to be like wolverine.

[Vivi]

I think Steven Segall would make a great version of this Shredder, pony tail and all.

The stripped down armor is good, but it seems with every incarnation the blades get bigger and bigger. I would go as far as to say make them small, sharp, and nasty like sharks teeth.

[gobo]

I remember when they first showed Shredder's design back in 2011 I think, everyone thought he looked horrible.
That was the statue at Nick Universe in The Mall Of America, Minneapolis, MN. I just got back from seeing that thing in-person last week. It's still considerably less impressive than the finished product on the show.

[Ravenxl7]

Fishface is meant to have mutated from a Snakehead fish.

- Kenny
Their teeth aren't that long, but based on pictures I found in my Google search, a snakehead fish would definitely fit the bill. Also makes the fact that there was one in New York more interesting.

[Dirty Blond]

Seems like the only chink in this show's armor is the armor.

[Garfield]

Which reminds me... I noticed in 'Never say Xever' Xever ran up to Leo ready to swipe him with both knives, and somehow that knocked Leo back as if he was punched or something.


Guess they are going with the "My slicing weapons will punch you back!!!" They did this a lot in the 2K3 Series.

Thought the episode was just okay. Until the scenes with the Shredder... WHich was really great. I'm really liking this version of Shredder.
The scene with he and the Turtles just really looked good to me, you've got your rooftops and water towers, throw in some neon letters in the night setting and a good fight and you've got yourself a scene.

[Coola Yagami]

Guess they are going with the "My slicing weapons will punch you back!!!" They did this a lot in the 2K3 Series.

Thought the episode was just okay. Until the scenes with the Shredder... WHich was really great. I'm really liking this version of Shredder.
The scene with he and the Turtles just really looked good to me, you've got your rooftops and water towers, throw in some neon letters in the night setting and a good fight and you've got yourself a scene.

It's a shame. It was such an awesome episode that that one scene was the only thing that ruined it. It could have easily been fixed if they showed Leo block the knife strikes and maybe have Xever kick him away. But as is, it looked like 'my double slice attack punched you back'.

I just hope Leo NEVER does that 'punching you while still holding his sword in his hand' thing like he did in 2K3.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

"The Gauntlet" Title does NO Justice to how Unbelievably AWESOME This Episode was! :) :) :)

I'm still shaking, that's how Epic it was!

You said it. Loved the mutation of Dogpound and Fish Face. Even tho you saw it coming like 4 episodes ago lol.

Just can`t praise the show enough!

[Lisardo]

That wouldn't have worked because it wouldn't be as iconic only having 3 of the Turtles meet Shredder for the first time.

Yeah but it's just an excuse. They could have easily gone down there and saved him. That's all I was saying.

[Darth Knuckles]

As most have already said, I really liked this episode. The smoke bombs were very funny with Mikey and the out of nowhere smoke bomb bow and arrows were a random cool thing to see. This episode really showed a nice mix of The Kraang and then The Foot Clan.

I though tit was interesting that a mutated creature is not the same as an animal or human. In other words, Bradford and Xever didn't mutate into turtle like creatures when contacted by the mutagen after they fought (touched) the turtles. They transformed into the last truly organic (non-mutated) thing they had contact with.

And The Shredder was awesome! I'm glad he is an actual threat in the cartoon...at least for now. I hope they continue with this idea and really make him a dangerous character to deal with.

[Andrew NDB]

Watched this episode earlier today. I must say, I was pretty entertained and I found it to actually be a better introduction to Shredder than what IDW did over in their book. Here, Shredder is introduced and sold as a pretty chilling nemesis... IDW, he gets his ass kicked right out of the gate.

[oldmanwinters]

Watched this episode earlier today. I must say, I was pretty entertained and I found it to actually be a better introduction to Shredder than what IDW did over in their book. Here, Shredder is introduced and sold as a pretty chilling nemesis... IDW, he gets his ass kicked right out of the gate.

IDW Karai was like... "Master Shredder, even my grandfather can fight better than that!... oh wait."

[Cure]

Watched this episode earlier today. I must say, I was pretty entertained and I found it to actually be a better introduction to Shredder than what IDW did over in their book. Here, Shredder is introduced and sold as a pretty chilling nemesis... IDW, he gets his ass kicked right out of the gate.

Wow...the world really IS ending soon, isn't it?

[Jephael]

Maybe Christmas is effecting Andrew's heart the same way it did The Grinch's.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I'm surprised he had anything positive to say. But, hey, that's a good thing, right?

[Sumac]

Quite a lot of events had happened in this episode. What is more unusual it didn't feel rushed.
Turtles were unable to save April's dad was kind of expected and yet I was surprised. So far Turtles cause more troubles then solve. I hope it'll change somewhat in the future.

The fact, that Turtles barely escaped from the Shredder is nice. For a change Shredder treated as a big threat which Turtles are unable to tackle right of the bat. I mean, it wasn't even draw or anything. Turtles just outright loose.

I haven't read synopsis for this episode and initially wasn't expecting that Bradford and Xever will mutate. I've got the clue about it, after Xever has touched this ugly fish.

In other notes:
Mutant Pigeon was ugly. Don's "nobody hurts my April" was cute.
I haven't expected any kind of strong continuty from this series, so I was pleasantly surprised.